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==Relationship with Nathan== |
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== Screwed Up == |
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Sorry, I'm still new around here and don't want to splash the waters until I know the system =) Should there be some sort of section describing Nathan and Peter's relationship? Specifically, that Nathan frowns upon Peter's career choice and that Nathan considering Peter the less favored son? [[User:Kail Ceannai|Kail Ceannai]] 02:10, 29 November 2006 (EST) |
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* It certainly wouldn't hurt. Personally, I think as we get to know the characters better, we'll be better off focusing on articles ''about'' the characters, rather than a strict character history (which is already getting kind of bloated and will probably need to be summarized and moved to a subpage by the end of the season.) I'd say go for it, and we can do the same for the other main characters over time. Maybe an "About" section before the "History" section would be a good way to make it consistent?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:16, 29 November 2006 (EST) |
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Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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== Powers mimicked == |
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*I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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**Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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***I don't know. That whole bit (which I '''really''' dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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****I have a question. Is it five years total or five years after Peter got there (totaling eight years)?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 07:22, 12 March 2010 (EST) |
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*****Hello? ''<small>Anyone there?</small>'' T.T--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:36, 14 March 2010 (EDT) |
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== EM Gone a Good Thing? == |
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* Let's keep an eye on the section about powers he may not have conclusively mimicked, we dont want it to become another list of Sylar's theorized powers. :) If it generates debate let's just move that part of it to [[Theories]] so we don't have to worry about it. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:44, 6 December 2006 (EST)) |
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**So no theorizing about "What if the Haitian and Peter were in the same room together?" Aw, dang! - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 22:53, 6 December 2006 (EST) |
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** Yeah, I tried to keep it as confirmed as possible, and yet complete enough that it doesn't degenerate into a speculation fest. It's much easier to say "yes, we noted that, thank you" than delete the same thing a thousand times and say "that's already on the Theories page".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:22, 6 December 2006 (EST) |
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I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT) |
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== Empathy == |
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*It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. [[User:Ruler|Ruler]] 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT) |
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* Is it too late to suggest Peter's power be called "empathy" rather than "mimicry"? In Peter's case it seems suitable somehow. --[[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 10:03, 23 December 2006 (EST) |
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** Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT) |
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** It's discussed in the [[Theories]] page, but for now wall that's confirmed is that he can copy powers. Once more is known from a [[Help:Sources|canon source]], we can change it as appropriate.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 10:42, 23 December 2006 (EST) |
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***I agree with [[User:Ruler|Ruler]]. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, ''why doesn't he just use this or that power?'' But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more: |
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***Fair enough. It's mostly just a semantic thing, anyway - I figure 'empathy' sort of conveys that the other person needs to be present, and also matches well with his character. I'm not going to argue about it, though. --[[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 10:57, 23 December 2006 (EST) |
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1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop |
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==Sickness== |
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Peter seems to be sick since [[Homecoming]]. Should this article mention this illness? It seems to contradict his complete healing. He would have shook off the illness when [[Claire]] visited him in the jail. --[[User:AverageMan|AverageMan]] 15:13, 29 December 2006 (EST) |
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* Peter's illness is addressed (briefly) in the Notes section. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 15:38, 29 December 2006 (EST) |
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2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit; |
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==Power Retention== |
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Not sure if this is mentioned elsewhere, but [http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/002880960.cfm Tim Kring made a comment] about Peter that seems to suggest that he doesn't just mimic the abilities of those he comes in contact with, but he actually gains them permanently. Apparently, this is one of the things that Claude will be doing - showing him how to access all the aquired abilities of his own will, rather than automatically. Until it comes up in the shows canon, I wouldn't go 100% on this, however, as things can and do change all the time. :) --[[User:Yoshie|Yoshie]] 09:40, 4 January 2007 (EST) |
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* Very nice. Once it appears in the show, it can go on the page. I think the comment was that Peter acts as a "filing cabinet" and Claude can help him access the powers that he's absorbed prior. It kind of makes him the anti-Sylar. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 10:11, 4 January 2007 (EST) |
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**I think a reference to Tim Kring's comment can go on the [[Power mimicry]] page, but nothing too speculative, and nothing spoilerish. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:09, 4 January 2007 (EST) |
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***Not a bad idea! I'm most curious to know how Peter's power works, if indeed he does retail all of the abilities since we've been told that they come from genetic anomolies (thanks to Sylar). If Peter is gaining all of these abilities permanently, then his DNA (again, like Sylar) must be a mess. If that's true, then he must also have the possibility of mutating into a completely different person (if enough DNA is permanently altered). Going to need a super-shrink at this rate.. anyone seen Dr. Brink (the Super-Hero Shrink)... --[[User:Yoshie|Yoshie]] 16:40, 4 January 2007 (EST) |
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****At the very least, that would explain why he's so sick. For a long time, he'd only copied [[Nathan]] and [[Isaac]]. Perhaps it wasn't the number of powers he duped in a short timespan, but the overall quantity of powers he's duped. Each new evolved human he met made him a little bit sicker as his body struggled to keep up with the changes.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:48, 4 January 2007 (EST) |
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* [[Mohinder]]'s comments to [[Nathan]] in ''[[The Fix]]'' seem to support this. He says that Peter's DNA is reorganizing itself to mimic the original. Then again, that wouldn't necessarily mean it couldn't reorganize itself back to the former state. It would just seem biologically foolish, I guess. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:35, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again; |
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==The Bomb== |
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My wife told me that Peter was on Ellen today and said, "I am the bomb." My wife said she couldn't tell if he was kidding and she couldn't remember if he said anything else about what will happen in the show. Did anyone who saw the interview draw any conclusions?--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 15:07, 20 January 2007 (EST) |
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: Didn't catch the interview. Out of context, one can't be sure if he means he's really great, or if he is echoing his last line from ''Fallout'' when he says "The explosion ... it's me." It's a pretty witty comment, though. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 21:41, 19 January 2007 (EST) |
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4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time. |
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== Offensive power interference == |
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5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent. |
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There might be something to this: every time but one that someone has tried to affect Peter with a power, so far, it either fails or is blocked or otherwise doesn't work: |
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--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST) |
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* Seeing through Claude's invisibility |
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*...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST |
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* Ninja Hiro's time stop |
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* The telepathy feedback event |
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* (possibly) defending himself against the telekinesis attacks |
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The only exception is Nathan's flight, so far. Maybe in general a power cancels the same power out? [[User:Webrunner|Webrunner]] 13:49, 31 January 2007 (EST) |
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: I think it's axiomatic that when a person possesses an ability, that person cannot be directly harmed by it. Obviously, when Hiro stops time, he himself doesn't stop (that would be weird); when Claude is invisible, he can still see himself; Ted is not harmed by the radiation he uses to destroy other things; likewise with Mrs. Gordon's fire. So when these people use these powers around Peter, it's not that they don't work--in fact they clearly do in every case--it's just that Peter has the same power, and hence the same benefit of immunity that the original power wielder has.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 14:14, 31 January 2007 (EST) |
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6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM : |
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== Radius of Mimicry == |
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- Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore. |
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Could this distance between Claude walking away and Peter standing still before Peter returned to visibility indicate the radius at which Peter mimics an active power? [[User:Kail Ceannai|Kail Ceannai]] 16:18, 31 January 2007 (EST) |
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- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1. |
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==Photo changed== |
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Maybe it's just me, but I can't stand using promotional photos for character pages. Cast pages, fine, but character shots (I think) should show the character, not just the cast member dressed as the character. Anyhoo, I changed the pic of Peter to a cap from [[Nothing to Hide]]. The promo pic hardly looked like him - no bangs, even! --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 00:49, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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* I agree, but if we're going to do it, we need to do all of them. Also, when we do, we need to upload them over the existing files so all the pages which use them (portals, etc.) are automatically updated.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:56, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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** OK, but at least we can get a promo pic of Milo ''from'' the show. His current photo (which is named MiloVentimiglia.jpg, actually, so not even after his character following the precedent of the others) says it's from the WB, which would be from his stint on ''Gilmore Girls''. I've uploaded a new version from the ''Heroes'' promotional pics. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:07, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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*** Good find! Much better. The promo pic of Peter from the press kit (in the scrubs) was awful, which is why I think we switched to the GG shot to begin with.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:27, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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*Actually, I quite like the promo shots for the portals and the sidebars. I think they're slick, and the actors adorn more than just the characters' clothes, they seem to take on their expressions and characteristics in the photos, for the most part. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 01:19, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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** Eh, I guess I don't have too much of a problem with promo pics per se, and I guess you're right, they do look cleaner than caps. I think it was just that the Peter one '''absolutely''' did not look like him just irked me. Oh well, problem solved. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:29, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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*So, I forgot to ask. Can someone with admin status go ahead and axe Image:PeterPetrelli.jpg then since we don't need it? Thanks! --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:32, 1 February 2007 (EST) |
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- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise) |
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==Hiro's power?== |
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What makes us completely sure that it was Hiro's power that he used, and not just telekinesis? [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 22:54, 19 February 2007 (EST) |
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Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--[[User:Kleith|Kleith]] 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT) |
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: When the taser prongs stopped in mid-air it was the same "bullet-time" effect used when hero uses his powers. --[[User:Fcphantom|Fcphantom]] 22:58, 19 February 2007 (EST) |
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: So... we are basing powers off of the way they are filmed now? [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] |
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They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which [[Peter Petrelli (explosion future)|he]] [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|did]]), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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: I think because they did the whole time-warp, ''Matrix''-feel in the scene that it was Hiro's slowing down of time. |
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: I dunno... seems silly to base powers off of just that sort of filming. [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] |
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Latest revision as of 15:03, 6 June 2011
Screwed Up
Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--Boycool42 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--Boycool42 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- I don't know. That whole bit (which I really dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--Boycool42 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
EM Gone a Good Thing?
I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
- It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. Ruler 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
- Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used.
AltesUTC CH 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
- I agree with Ruler. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, why doesn't he just use this or that power? But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more:
- Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used.
1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop
2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit;
3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again;
4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time.
5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent. --ADAP7IVE 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)
- ...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--ADAP7IVE 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST
6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM : - Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore.
- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1.
- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise)
Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--Kleith 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT)
They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which he did), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! 
AltesUTC CH