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Flight?

Peter didn't replicate flight he replicated IA--Yoshi n1 07:29, 17 November 2009 (EST)

  • Of course not. But yeah it's the worst move they made with Peter so far, healing touch lost in order to... take flight, just awesome. Come on SWM, tell us how great that will be, and helps Peter "doing his job better".
    • And let Sylar go around killing people? Why would Peter do that?--Dman dustin 07:48, 17 November 2009 (EST)
    • Where's your evidence for that? We know Peter can only hold one ability at a time from his own words, and from the fact he only took shapeshifting from Sylar. He flew away with Sylar, thus proving that one ability is Flight. He doesn't have IA, or any of Sylar's other powers. Swm 08:03, 17 November 2009 (EST)
    • And to the unsigned poster, if you were Peter, would you really have let your brother, who at best is having an identity crisis and at worst is a superpowered serial killer who murdered your brother, fly off into the blue when you could have followed him? I certainly wouldn't. It's perfectly in character, and calling it the worst move they've ever made with him is just being childish. Swm 08:03, 17 November 2009 (EST)
      • It's not what I meant. Peter's choice was fair. It's just lame that they HAD to give him flight back. Since it kinda proves all these "I wanna save people" "I need to be stronger, faster" thing was just here to gain some time before the mid season, where he learns the truth. I didn't criticize Peter's choice of not leaving his brother. But they DID have to write a scene where they were lost in a desert and where flight was the only way to catch him... So yeah nothing forced them to do that as far as I know. We already knew Peter wouldn't leave his brother... So, since he had a unique power that he will never get back, which was perfect for his personality and job, in order to take the real lamest power of the show that he got stuck with the entire (or so) volume 4, it is the worst move they've done with him so far with his ability.
        • I think it was partially Nathan and Sylar. Nathan's memories didn't want Sylar to kill Peter, and Sylar wanted to keep him out of the way, without killing him at the moment. Since it's likely Peter could've defended himself in someway (even if Peter couldn't, Sylar wouldn't know).. --Dman dustin 08:43, 17 November 2009 (EST)
    • Two things. One, how does him having Flight prove that his desire to help people was just an early season gimmick? Just because there's no other character that has the ability of healing, doesn't mean that whole angle is abandoned, because he was saving people before he even got that power. Secondly, given that Nathan can fly anywhere, at any time, Peter would always have had to copy that power if he wanted to track him (which you're not blaming him for). The fact they were in the desert had nothing to do with it- if they were in LA for that scene, it would have had exactly the same outcome, and the same anywhere else, so I can't see how you can blame the writers for that. He'd never be able to catch Nathan without using Flight if Nathan did not wish to be found. You also don't know Peter will never get healing back, so that argument fails. And Flight's not the lamest power on the show, at least not in my opinion (and besides, I thought you thought Peter's ability was the worst one?) I can think of multiple powers I'd take Flight over anyday- Emma's, Angela's, Ted's, Maya's. Swm 10:22, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Peter's haircut ?

So, the new Peter's picture is actually, much better than the old one. Since Peter got his long hair back, totally matching Season 1's haircut since the volume 4, the short hair was just not the character anymore.

So, what do you suggest, there has been no photoshoot for this season, but it is silly to keep one where a lot of materials from the new season exist, and the character doesn't match the previous season anymore. The actual picture isn't that bad, the hair looks much longer than the previous one, but still, he doesn't got his long emo bang, that made him so famous. Since he got it back, maybe we could look at some promo pictures from new season ? There are some great ones actually... A little photoshop work can also be done if you want to keep the "shades of gray" background.

Whaddya think ?

Peter should get his long hair back on his page, since he got it till the end of volume 3, or should he keep short hair, since he doesn't really match anything now. (And let's be fair, he looks way better with his long hair.)

  • I agree that he should get a picture wich fits his character in this volume--Yoshi n1 11:01, 19 November 2009 (EST)
    • Yep, wanna add that the other characters look exactly the same now than last year so there is no problem with them. But Peter completely changed so it's kinda wrong now.
      • Is this one better? Honestly, those white pictures are not even good pictures. NileQT87 11:22, 19 November 2009 (EST)
        • I made a new one, with the new haircut style, whaddya think ? I kept the same "shades of gray" background... He looks more like the actual Peter. (EST)--Kleith 13:23, 19 November 2009 (EST)
          • I don't think we should use a Season One picture just because it looks similar to how Peter looks today. But more importantly, I don't think we should use a picture that is over exposed on one side, in shadow on the other, and has the character looking away from the camera. I also think it's nice to have all the pictures of the main characters in the same style, if possible. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:57, 20 November 2009 (EST)
            • Then help us finding a picture you like. But Peter has been having long hair for more than 20 episodes in a row now, so there is no way to let the old S3 photoshoot since, as opposed to the other characters, Peter doesn't look like that at all anymore. It just fits his character (he kinda retrieved his "innocence" of Season 1 by they way, he smiles a lot and stuff... and he didn't smile a single time in the whole V3) About the "watching the camera" thing, I, personally, don't think this is necessary. --Kleith 01:07, 20 November 2009 (EST)
  • I don't mind this image...but I personally prefer this image. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:50, 20 November 2009 (EST)
    • Thanks Ryan ! (*love you*)

So people, time to "vote". Do you think Peter should get his long hair back, since it fits the character better ? I, think so.--Kleith 06:41, 21 November 2009 (EST)

  • Well, i think that Peter should get the hair that he has right now. But the other image is more clear. So i dont really now..-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 09:19, 21 November 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah that's because the only to have artificial lighning is, well, to create it, which is not humanly possible if not done in a studio. Since there is no photoshoot of a recent Peter, it's the hair, or a slightly less clear image. Or we can use a season 1 pic looking at the camera. --Kleith 09:45, 21 November 2009 (EST)
      • Here you go guys, artificial lights, clearer, long hair, shades of gray background, and he looks at the camera !

The new image

I like the new image thats not it but there is one thing i dont understand. The gray background is good but it actaully makes no sense because we dont give for instance simone a gray background, why Peter and not all the other characters?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:18, 21 November 2009 (EST)

Actually, if you look here, you will see just about all of the characters with grey backgrounds.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:11, 21 November 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah but thats not what i mean, all the images with a grey background aren't custom made but we just got them this way. The new image is custom mage by Kleith. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:23, 21 November 2009 (EST)
      • Because no heroes characters from Season 3 and 4 has another background. So Peter, as being a main character of those 2 seasons, must have one. --Kleith 16:26, 21 November 2009 (EST)


  • What I don't understand is, why we change the picture to give a better "picture" to the audience of the current season, but in turn you are changing what they looked like in the previous seasons which is not right. You are saying that they have always looked like they do now. ~~IHHTalk 10:34, 22 November 2009 (EST)
    • Because we can't create one picture for each season. The character can only have one, so the current season is chosen over the previous ones.
      • But on the portals, you can have the picture be Peter_Petrelli_S1.jpg or Noah_Bennet_S2.jpg and get this to happen. ~~IHHTalk 16:21, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • In season 2-3, Peter was on a mission, so the cleancut hair was the best picture. But now he's back to the season 1 emo Peter, so this picture is best.--Boycool42 07:43, 18 February 2010 (EST)

Draph

Draph inherited ability replication though the strong connection of his brother.

Peter also had a strong connection with Arthur and that Arthur has empathic mimicry since power absorbtion and empathic mimicry are 2 version of the same ability.

I think Peter orginal ability would of been AR though the seasons he had EM but through his connection with Arthur and that their are blood related that he had EM instead of AR.

When he lost his ability to Arthur I think he didn't want to become like him so lost he could not have EM again.--50000JH 10:26, 23 November 2009 (EST)

    • Ok I think it's hard enough that we have to accept Draph and his powers as canon, but you can't just make things up based upon his story since the writers never actually read it.--Kleith 10:30, 23 November 2009 (EST)

If you're going to talk about Draph, take this to that talk, if you're going to talk about the ability, take to the ability talk. Please, don't do like always when you just make a section or says something completely out of place for no good reason. Also, don't add new points to your already posted comments, specially after someone replied to them, like you often do, it messes up the discussion. I'm sorry if I come across as rude, but those are very annoying. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:49, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Sorry about that the first four points are just my opinion and I only did each on them on 1 point on 1 line so people can see it clearer, at the time there was no response, unless u r talking about "Theroy on the Sylar page."[50000JH 11:01, 23 November 2009 (EST)]

Anything is possible

Ok so clearly, absolutely anything IS possible. So am I the only one bothered by Peter who absolutely doesn't care about his real brother, who won't even try to time travel, to raise him, to do anything for him, but will just try to control Sylar like Angela did ? He wants Sylar dead and his brother alive, and he's ready to do anything in order to get that. Well sorry but I don't think go and manipulate Sylar again will fix anything. It failed once, it will fail again. Doesn't Peter learn anything ? And that's just the best part, cauz I'm not talking about the "I can only fly but I'm threatening you Sylar" part.--Kleith 11:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)

  • It's the same plot hole that is killing the series. Take Hiro. He's pissed at Samuel for trapping Charlie, yet doesn't seem to realize he can just go back to before he caught her, and stop it. The characters in this show never know how to use their powers, and when they do, it's often in the worst way possible.
    • One, these characters have little time to think of what to do (us, the audience, have a week to think about what they should do). Also, time travel has messed things up before. And of course he wants his real brother, but he isn't as powerful as he was. And then, he wanted to do something other than just sit there while Sylar eats a turkey, so he tried to scare him. Better than just sitting there like a coward.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:20, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • He doesn't know where Hiro is, so time-travelling is out of the question for him. Barring that, what else can he do? He's been dead too long for Claire's blood to work (not that it would have anyway). He can't get Nathan back, so trying to help Nathan's memories control Sylar is as close as he can get. Is it a good plan? Probably not. That doesn't mean he shouldn't do what he can. As for why Hiro doesn't go back in time and save Charlie, he's terrified of the butterfly effect. We saw this with the latest episode even for something fairly minor (witnessing Joseph's death). As Samuel had rightly pointed out in Once Upon A Time In Texas, Charlie's death is a minefield for unintended consequences, and Hiro probably doesn't dare risk messing up the situation any further. Swm 11:32, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • I don't agree. He found a healer pretty quickly, I'm sure he could find a time traveler. Moreover, he doesn't know where Hiro is. Ok. But what the hell is that argument ?

Does he even KNOW where Sylar is ? Not at all ! He flew away ! As Peter said, anything is possible (he can still ask HRG to find Molly or stuff). There might a power able to fix the things. Let's just think a minute, if Peter asked Hiro's help while having his "body insertion" power, he could transfer the dying Nathan into Sylar's body and thus saving his brother while getting rid of Sylar. Peter doesn't even have telepathy, what does he think he's gonna do to save his brother ? Then, it's been since the episode 3x60 that we endure a weak Peter. I agree that, while doing his job as a paramedic it was not such a problem to have one power. But he's been torn apart by everyone apart from Edgar every time he had a confrontation of any sort ! And now that Sylar is back, he gets stuck on a chair ? I mean, even with one power, he could have Edgar's power, Tracy's power, maybe Samuel's I don't know, but the writers just NEVER gave him whatever he needs ! His power is used in such horrible way I just can't stand it anymore. The only way they find to have Peter fighting Sylar is to depower Sylar ! That IS LAME ! Everyone wanted Peter getting strong, not Sylar getting also(temporary) lame. He was, not the "main" protagonist, but since season 1 he was meant to have a great power, to be the most powerful of all. If Sylar was dead, there would be no problem with Peter's destiny being garbaged. But now there's just EVIL SYLAR again, killing and torturing the Petrellis one by one, it's getting REALLY old ! What's the point of following Peter's story if nothing happens ? I mean, don't tell me you weren't pissed when he was stuck on that chair. "Why don't you release me from that chair, you'll see" => See what ? How good he can be electrocuted ? Or being disintegrated ? Or being reduced to dust with sound manipulation ? SWM I know you adore the writers and what they're doing with Peter but it's too much to take for the others, who don't. We love the character, that we learned to love since the beginning, and see what they're doing with him now is hard. Then for Hiro and his butterflies, don't make me laugh. Samuel himself changed the past thus creating a butterfly effect, correcting that past can't alter more the present. Sylar stated Charlie was alive. Hiro saved Mohinder, Hiro saved Tadashi, Hiro did a LOT of time travel that were pretty useless in volume 3. He also met his own father... Well excuse me but he totally changed history to save Charlie, why wouldn't he go back to stop Samuel from doing something that never should have happened ?--Kleith 11:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)

  • Ok, That can't make things to easy for peter, otherwise nothing would be interesting. And I wasn't pissed when he was stuck in the chair. Because it would have been to easy. I say make the show progress with the problems the characters face. To me it sounds like you want action only with no story. I dont think he even knows Molly. And body insertion was just a temporary power to develop season 3 in my opinion. He wanted to do something to help in anyway he could. He is smart, and probably think of something. He knows he can fly and he probably would have replicated one of Sylar's useful abilities.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:59, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • I don't want "story" when a guy is killing his family one by one and plays with him like a puppet. Excuse me but ONE single action scene out of 20 episodes is not that cool, since Peter used to have a lot (and still had a lot of story in season 1 !!!!), one doesn't prevent the other as far as I know. Things can't be easy for Pete ? But when the hell were they easy ? Two episodes before losing all of his powers ? In season 1 he wasn"t that strong and had a lot of problems with his powers, season 2 he got amnesia, lost his girlfriend in a lost future, then he just kicked some random ass with normal agents in primatech. Then 3 episodes where he was stuck in another body, one episode where he was, indeed, powerful, then he was in a coma, and then his powers were taken away. Since that he's been struggling EVERYTIME he could have been struggling, he didn't have a single action scene in volume 4, he was forced to flee in absolutely every episode, and got flight almost during the whole volume, just whining about his brother while not playing the taxis with his mother. Then we have the volume 5, that had a pretty great Peter in the first two episodes, he was just perfect. He was funny, he had a cool storyline, and some action scene (not much but fairly enough). Then the story has been very slow, but what was the purpose ? They got rid of all the storyline in two episodes ! They don't even let Peter and Nathan realize what happens ! And now Sylar is back, as powerful as before, and Peter still can't do anything. Peter could still ask Noah for help, and Noah could tell him about Molly or any other time traveler or anything. And let me add it's totally useless to take any of Sylar's abilities since Sylar GOT THEM ALL AND IS IMMORTAL... He's forced to lost... Unless of course, Peter finds a way to I don't know let's say, block Sylar powers... Wow epic fight we're gonna get, indeed. --Kleith 12:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Yes he could tell peter about Molly or another special. But about things being easy for peter, that sounds like what you want. I know things havent been easy for peter. Thats what I like. but you were complaining that peter could not get out of the chair. what did you expect him to do. replicate a sylar ability from a distance? No, he was stuck and had to deal with it. Yes he tried to get out, because i beileve, but cant remember who, some one did break free from a telekinetic grip. And once again, time travel has ruined things before.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:18, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • I don't want things easy for Peter. I just want a balance. Now it's not just "hard", it's totally unfair. If "Nathan" didn't come back, Peter would have died on that chair. Like when Nathan flew Sylar out the window, Peter would have died too. It's not just "not easy", it's "all for Sylar". I mean, by depowering Peter, I hoped the writers would make him use some powers in a way we didn't think about, or that he could outsmart Sylar or anything. But that just never happens. There is never any surprise with Peter. Or at least, not good ones (yeah cauz I still don't see why they had to make him take powers randomly when he has "emotional connexion" to others since he can still have one.). Now, the only way Peter has a chance is if Sylar has also no powers. That's just... Well excuse me but I think no one was expecting that in season 1 2 and even 3. I know they don't have budget but come on. Peter with Tracy's power against Sylar would be cool. But strangely, we'll never get that. It will always be Peter with flight against Sylar or Peter with René's power against Sylar...--Kleith 12:28, 24 November 2009 (EST)
          • So are you effectively saying that Peter's character is defined by his abilities (or lack thereof)? That's why they depowered him in the first place- because his massive ammount of power was impeding the story- because always it would be like: Why didn't he just stop time? or He can fly, why did he fight on the ground?. That's why they've never given Sylar anything like Hiro's power or Matt's power, because it's just too much. Peter's character in season 2, when he was godly, became all about him using whatever power next, and it destroyed his character. That's why he was depowered, and for me, he has been a far better character since when he's been forced to CHOOSE which power he needs to best fit the predicament he's in.--- (Evil Maldini)--- November 24th 2009, 18:00 GMT
          • Let's take these one by one...again. Molly is with Claude, HRG has no idea where she is. Nor does Noah know where Hiro is, so the argument "well, he found a healer quickly" doesn't work. Peter has never had a body insertion power except as a future self, and we don't know how he got it so it's not relevent to this. I don't know what Peter's planning to do- I don't even think Peter himself has a fully thought out plan, because he thinks with his emotions and not his head, hence him threatening a guy who can disintegrate him any time he likes. You talk about the writers giving him "what he needs", as if Edgar's or Samuel's power was going to help him stop Sylar. It wouldn't. Sylar would tear him apart even if he propelled rocks through his throat like Samuel or cut him up like Edgar. Freezing, maybe, but he'd have to touch him first- not difficult normally, but given Sylar can fly, not to mention fling him halfway across the room with a thought, tough here. If you want to blame somebody for that situation, blame the writers for making Sylar omnipotent. This problem has nothing to do with Peter's ability. Peter is strong already, or do you consider everyone except Sylar to be weak? He's stronger then any single-powered hero on the entire show, save maybe Samuel. No, I wasn't pissed when he was pinned to the chair. Again, if you have a problem with Sylar being omnipotent, that's fine. I do, too. But that's got NOTHING to do with Peter. The exact same arguments you make about him could be applied to any other character on the show, so stop trying to argue Peter's getting short changed. He's not. +

Regarding Hiro, it is a fact that he is, at this moment, afraid of messing up history. This was true both before and after he met Samuel. And look what happened the last time he tried to change the past- Charlie went from being dead (not great, but since she'd accepted the fact she was going to die, not as bad as it sounds) to being trapped in a completly different time, possibly a completly different, maybe apocalyptic future, alone. That's way worse. From Hiro's perspective, what's going to happen to her if he gets it wrong this time? Besides, how could he stop Samuel? Arnold, dying or not, could do everything he could do, and was with Samuel throughout. Add a murderous terrakinetic into the mix and the odds aren't good for him, and he knows it.

If you believe Peter wasn't so strong in Season 1, you're a fool. He had a dozen powers by the end of it, shown when he comprehensively did kick Sylar's butt in Kirby Plaza. There's no surprises with him? I'm sure Volume 4's finale qualifies, with him surprising Sylar with shapeshifting. I'll say it again: if you have a problem with Sylar being godly, fine. Just don't try and pass that off as it being a problem with Peter, like he ought to be stronger then is and the writers are failing to deliver. They aren't, because Peter doesn't need, or deserve, any kind of boost. If you want Sylar toned down, then I can agree with you. If you want Peter powered up to equally godlike levels (which he'd need to stand any kind of chance against Sylar), then I can't. Simple as. Swm 13:04, 24 November 2009 (EST)

  • As stated before, I thought Peter was perfect in the first two episodes. I don't care if he has one power or 50, it's only the fact that he doesn't stand a single chance against Sylar (while Matt, Hiro, Tracy, can, don't tell me he can mimic them because the odds he will always have flight against Sylar...) while he was his equal, that I don't stand. I said I didn't want Peter to be god again, I really don't, but watching him unable to do anything like this, again, is just too hard. There is no balance at all. But you pointed out the right thing, I would not complain at all if Sylar weren't god. Peter can be as powerful as Samuel who's the second most powerful villain. Seeing like this Peter is pretty cool. True. But then again, there's a serial killer killing his family one by one that is 50 times more powerful than him and he can't do anything against him. And since Sylar won't ever die since it became HIS show, I think it's problematic to have Peter involved in Sylar's storyline (while Sylar could be neuter and just have his own storyline, or not be that centric for the show) when Peter can't do anything. It's totally anti climatic and we're forced to wonder why they are doing that ? Because they think people like Peter and Sylar intertactions ? Well, ask yourself why people did like those. --Kleith 13:23, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • And don't talk about choices. I much prefer the new Peter than the volume 2's one, but he's not a precog. He takes what he needs in the moment but he's totally stuck with it later like "I lost the healing touch and the only guy who had it die, dang !" "I took flight to follow my brother who turned into Sylar ! Dang !", these choices have always a bad point coming in his face sooner or later.--Kleith 13:25, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Why do you think Peter will choose flight to fight Sylar. He wouldn't. He would probably use a different power.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • Catalyst has pointed out the truth. Peter can mimic anyone who stands "a single chance" against Sylar, hence he has as much of a chance against him as they do. How can he keep stealing Flight if Nathan's dead? Once Sylar regains full control the only way to get that power will be to brave the jaws of death. There's no reason Peter couldn't absorb those powers before fighting Sylar. The argument that Peter needs to be stronger because a serial killer is after his family can potentially be applied to every character on the entire show, depending on the context, so it doesn't work because then nobody would ever be in Sylar's storyline. I don't know why they made Sylar as powerful as he is, but if there's a problem with it, the answer is to neuter Sylar. It by no means is to boost Peter. Swm 13:48, 24 November 2009 (EST)
          • What's the difference between Peter fighting Sylar fist-to-fist and using tonnes of abilities? Peter can't take on Sylar with powers cos Sylar has tonnes more and he can only hold one at a time right, so say he uses his one power (i.e. Rene's)- then with one ability, he can level the playing field with Sylar in one go. That is after all, how God of God's Arthur met his downfall. So why is it worse if Peter bests Sylar with just fists and feet, than powers? Is that not more satisfying for a Peter fan that he has managed to out-smart Sylar and beat him up, as opposed to some huge ability battle which will leave us all saying "well what does it matter, Sylar will regenerate anyways."?---(Evil Maldini)--- November 24th 2009, 18:49 GMT
            • I think part of the problem is that Peter-god used to be a match for Sylar-god. Now, Peter's just a guy with ONE power, and Sylar is still god. IMO, the massive power battles were cool. Peter jabbing Sylar with a syringe and morphing to his real self was also cool. Peter sitting helpless in a chair while Sylar cut his mother was not cool.--Cro Magnon 14:07, 25 November 2009 (EST)
              • I very much disagree. The huge power battles sometimes felt distant and unrelatable, and they never satisfied because of budget restraints. However, the scene from Thanksgiving where Sylar held Peter in his chair was tense, engaging, and nail-biting. Add to it creepy quirks like Sylar kissing Angela and Sylar's fantastic lines, and it makes for a great scene. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)
                • Great way to put it. I completely agree with you.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:42, 25 November 2009 (EST)
                • I second that. You don't need tonnes of powers to make a good scene. What you need is conflict with a point. Peter & Sylar both using every power under the sun would feel stupid to me if you knew they'd both just heal. The way it was there was tension as you feared for Peter and you were never sure what would happen next.--- (Evil Maldini)--- November 26th 2009, 15:59 GMT

Losing Healing Touch - what the hell?

So Peter has now given up healing touch in order to persue his brother using flight...But wasn't it his mission to get healing touch to save Hiro? I know he wasn't there when Peter got back to the hospital but surely Peter has not gone and broken his own record for forgetting about people?

Perhaps Peter will soon be able to remember some of his previously held powers but if not we will be looking at Hiro dying quite soon: remember he was in hospital as a terminally ill patient. Otherwise the only way to fix Hiro is for either he or Peter to travel back in time and some how fix it, but Hiro seems unable/unwilling to do this and even if Peter could find him and replicate time travel the writers would probably not want to rewrite most of the plot for this series! Any other ideas people?--Mbwilliams 12:01, 24 November 2009 (EST)

  • Well I don't understand why Hiro wants to die. It would have taken him ONE minute to get saved, but he wasn't willing to. He could just traveled back at the time he went to "3 years ago" and wait for Peter.--Kleith 12:15, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • He is too worried about charlie to go anywhere. Love can be a strong thing. I'm sure if someone was in love as much as Hiro ism that they could not think straight.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:19, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Well I would think "If I get better, I will be stronger and master my power, and won't risk to die anytime before saving the love of my life." But maybe that's just me. Since he's a time traveler, that could take, really, a second. But I guess it's more dramatic that he's not saved.--Kleith 12:26, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • Peter doesn't know Jeremy was lynched by the police. Hence, he could have abandoned healing thinking he could have just gotten it back later (a fairly safe bet considering Noah said he'd look out for him). As for Hiro leaving Charlie stranded in time while he goes off and gets healed, then takes years to master his ability (remember, even Future Hiro from Season 1 wasn't perfect, and that was five years) before going back to save her...you really think Hiro's going to do that? I don't. He wants her back as soon as possible, but isn't willing to mess with time to do it. Swm 12:39, 24 November 2009 (EST)

So no other ideas then? How do you think Hiro will be healed? Options 1) Peter 'remembers' healing 2) Hiro time travel 3) Peter time travel 4) Another healer 5) The writers 'decide' that Hiro isn't as ill as was portrayed --Mbwilliams 06:52, 25 November 2009 (EST)

My suggestion about the image

I know that you all like the "shades of grey" background, but I think that the image like this one: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9099/peterpetrelliseason4.png is showing Peter exactly like he's looking in season four and is a lot better than every single with the grey background. Don't you think it's better to add new images of each characters and throw out this whole "shades of grey" background? And yes, I can see similar topic above, but I want to expose it, because this old image doesn't look like season four Peter. -- Itsia

  • I really think something needs to be done about the current images for the main cast. Peter has not had that short haircut since Villains. Also Claire has much shorter hair now and may have bangs in the near future because I saw recent pictures of Hayden with bangs. My point being We should change some of the characters images to reflect how they look now. I don't think the main cast having matching gray backgrounds really matters much at all.--Cairoi 15:29, 29 November 2009 (EST)
    • Peter's picture now has long hair, I don't know why that guy put the short haircut back.--Kleith 14:02, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Maybe Peter's power hasn't been limited

Just postulating a theory here (NBC can feel free to use it).

Peter's powers weren't reduced when he regained them via the serum (after losing them to his father). He's always been limited holding to a single power, just like he is now. However, in the initial episodes he unknowningly held his father's power and therefore was allowed to "hold on" to more than a single power at a time. Arthur Petrelli told Sylar that he could take powers from people without killing them (which I assume Aurthur could do as well, hence he knew about it) and Sylar successfully took from Elle without killing her.

Therefore, if Peter were able to meet another person like his father, he'd be back to the way he was. Which will most likely happen since we're pretty sure future Peter has a whole host of powers, but is disfigured (scar across his face) which I assume happened while he was without Claire's healing ability.

  • Cool theory! I can see how that would work. By the way you should sign your post after writing all you need to write is four tildes, ~~~~ these things. Or you can press the signature button at the top :) -- Leckie -- Talk 15:58, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Why do I have the feeling he got flight again

I just can't see Peter sticking with René's ability, I'm sure he took flight from "Nathan" again just before he disappeared... The new graphic novel so makes me think that, like Peter wanted to keep his legacy through that power. I just can't see the flight vanish from Peter like that, after all the meaning this power has. Hopefully he will be able to hold other abilities at the same time in a near future because I will personally have a hard time enduring another "Volume 4 Taxi" Peter...--Kleith 08:33, 8 December 2009 (EST)

  • I really hope he has kept Flight, in my opinion I think thats the ability that most suits Peter now that Nathan is dead. -- Leckie -- Talk 08:37, 8 December 2009 (EST)
    • I agree but that's only tolerable if that's not his ONLY power. He's way too lame with only that power, no more Taxi Peter. Not with Sylar and Samuel around... But it would be great if he could keep flight, always, while having one more power that switches. --Kleith 10:57, 8 December 2009 (EST)
      • If he took Flight in that scene, it wouldn't be through his ability replication (unless his power did what it did with Emma and worked subconsciously again). Having him actually have to empathise with people to copy their powers (like Sylar does) would have actually made his original ability fairly balanced, if combined with good writing. I've no issue with how Peter is now, but if they wanted to boost his power somehow, I agree that that's the best way to do it. Swm 08:47, 11 December 2009 (EST)

The only way peter can get his powers back...

...is if he borrows Hiros S/T manipulation, go back in time to the events of "One of Us, One of Them" and borrow EM from his alternate-future self. --mc_hammark 09:25, 8 December 2009 (EST)

  • Don't think it's even possible. I think the "mimics" have their own way to absorb powers, but the amount of powers they can have has nothing to do with that in my opinion... The problem is that Peter's DNA reboots itself each time he takes a power, while before, it was just adding new parts of the said DNA and allowed him to have several. At best, if Peter could copy EM (which isn't even sure), I think it would just allow him to take powers without touch, but that's it.--Kleith 10:54, 8 December 2009 (EST)
    • My theory is, that if Peter is ever able to regain his mimicry it will be through meeting Lydia and possibly copying her ability. The empathy link is just too obvious to ignore. I think that AR, EM and Arthur's power, are all slight varients of the same ability- to use the abilities of other EH- so my believe is the formula restored Peter's initial power (the writers did say that Arthur's power was an evolved version of Peter's) and AR is sort of a mixture of both- the physical touch- the same sort of light, the mimicry. I think were he to copy Lydia's power, it would 'kick-start' his EM again, but that's just one theory. Another could be that AR will evolve into Arthur's power sometime in the future, who knows?--Evil Maldini 11:02, 8 December 2009 (EST)
      • It would be great if he had Arthur's power because, he would never hurt his friends, nor Claire. Which means all the Heroes would still be important, he would not make them useless. Peter could only "borrow" one power, and stealing the power would be the only way to keep it permanently. Thought I think it has nothing to do with Lydia... Peter is already empathic. Come on, Sylar is a serial killer, future Peters were totally not empathic and still had NO troubles, so I really think it's just an excuse for the writers... If Peter can (ever) get some powers back, I think that's just because he doesn't know how to do it, just like in season one before Claude. He takes powers in a different way, it's much likely that he can't access (if he still has them) the powers the same way. Maybe if someone (Samuel ?) pointed out to him how to do it, he could. But he would be way too powerful... so the "forced to steal the power" part is cool. I mean, he can already get rid of Sylar, and he just has to touch Samuel in order to make him "not the most powerful" since Peter would be his equal.--Kleith 11:48, 8 December 2009 (EST)
        • As long as Peter doesn't regain space-time manipulation, I'm fine with him getting more abilities. The issue with that power is that there is no way to loose a fight. Hiro can deal with it just because of his nature, he is prone to abuse his power in any fashion, and while Peter had it he seemed to conveniently forget about it in most situations (Sylar in Mohinder's apartment, Sylar on Kirby Plaza, I Am Become Death when Future Claire breaks into Gabriel's home, etc). He just seemed incredibly stupid.--PJDEP 22:27, 10 December 2009 (EST)
          • There shouldn't be an issue with the "copying EM from a past source" because EM is no different then any other ability at heart. I'm opposed to him gaining Arthur's power, however, for two reasons. One, Peter would never get any fights whatsoever, as it wouldn't make sense for him to fight someone as opposed to just touching them, taking their power, and beating them with it. There's a reason why Arthur never fought anyone directly. Two, unless the writers were incredibly careful about what they let him absorb (i.e. which villians he faced), he'd become overpowered again very very quickly, even without STM or regeneration, if there is no cap on his number of powers. And no cap above one would make any real sense other then being an arbitrary choice. If Peter's to be boosted at all, I favour a method like Sylar's empathic copying (where he must work to gain a power). Swm 08:57, 11 December 2009 (EST)
            • If it were possible for the formula to give peter EM, then why wouldn't it give the ability to him in the first place rather than AR?
              • The suggestion's not that he'd use the formula, but that he'd either go back in time and use his AR on one of his past/future selves to get it. Either that, or with use his power evolves into Arthur's. Swm 05:39, 12 December 2009 (EST)
                • Empathic mimicry, intuitive aptitude, power absorption... Guys, where's your imagination? It would be really boring if Peter's AR evolved into any of these. How about making his power like Monica's - he sees a power in action and learns to use it on his own? Then Peter would have to make somebody use their ability (which may prove difficult), so he could take it. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:33, 12 December 2009 (EST)
                  • I didn't say that I wanted AR to become Arthur's power- or EM, I just speculated about how he COULD become more powerful again. Personally, I like the way he is limited, it levels things out and makes for more story. I wouldn't mind him being able to hold one more power (although of course, we all know that as soon as you combine Claire's power with any other you become near god-like) but certainly not a 10-12 power deal again.--Evil Maldini 11:18, 12 December 2009 (EST)
                    • Of course, the way the writers could work it is, he has to have a true emotional link to people so that he can permanently copy their power, like his emotional goodbye with Nathan. --mc_hammark 11:24, 12 December 2009 (EST)

Peter

-I feel like we're going to his old power or something close to it soon i felt really sorry for him--Skyeatsout 22:24, 4 January 2010 (EST)

Scar

In Let It Bleed, Claire would not give Peter RCR. Is it possible that Peter did something headstrong with out him having RCR, causing a scar? And so when he needed it Claire would not give it to him. Thoughts?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 08:19, 8 January 2010 (EST)

  • I've always thought that the scar would never be fully elaborated on and was simply a device used to differentiate him from both Future Peters. What are the odds that he'd cut the exact same scar in the exact same place in two time lines that now don't exist? Also, I don't Claire was ever going to leave him shot, I think she was just trying to make a point when she initially denied him.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:17, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Template?

I was just thinking, should we make a new template for the abilities that Peter has replicated? I think its pretty obvious that he is going to absorb more --Leckie -- Talk 14:18, 13 January 2010 (EST)

  • Yhea i agree.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 14:35, 13 January 2010 (EST)
    • I guess it would have to be like {{petermimicked}}, and be named {{peterreplicated}}?--Leckie -- Talk 14:43, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Job related ability

Can I just ask, since Peter is always wanting a power to help him with his job as a paramedic, which ability do you think Peter would like best to help him. He's already had enhanced strength, super speed and healing to help him. What ability do you think would be best? Personally, I'd say cloning so he can be in multiple places at once. Anyone else think of any better ones? --mc_hammark 17:59, 16 January 2010 (EST)

  • Cloning or Space-Time Manipulation (Get anywhere/go back and change it or stop time to stop the accident if near it.) But that's just me.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:01, 16 January 2010 (EST)
    • If he used STM to stop the accident that would cause a paradox though. The whole world could go kaput. --mc_hammark 18:05, 16 January 2010 (EST)
      • True. I guess cloning would be the ideal power then.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:09, 16 January 2010 (EST)
        • Although with STM you could go back to the time when it happened. But that would mean you'd get really old really quickly. And then there's the ultimate ability, empathic mimicry, but that'd just be cheating death. --mc_hammark 18:13, 16 January 2010 (EST)
  • Either Super Speed or Enhanced Strength, because with cloning, people might start noticing that you're in two places at once, but with super speed or enhanced strength, youd be there quick and strong to help. daevon 20:46, 16 January 2010 (EST)
  • I think healing would work best, for obvious reasons. I'm sure if he kept using his ability often he wouldn't grow so tired from it.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:06, 16 January 2010 (EST)

Powers :Empathic mimicry

If peter went back in time to him when he was younger and had Empathic mimicry then surly he could use his ability to mimic that power so he had Empathic mimicry and then he'd BASICALLY have his original power back... right? --Crazytom112 17:26, 26 January 2010 (EST)

  • Pretty much, he'd have to replicate STM from Hiro or someone, go back in time. Replicate his Empathic mimicry, then wait around for a while for another Hiro type person (or Hiro himself) and mimic STM again, then teleport back to 2009 and he'd be sorted! Seems like quite a bit of trouble just to get you original ability back though :) --Leckie -- Talk 17:35, 26 January 2010 (EST)
  • yeah but it would be worth it, and he could just go back in time WITH Hiro and i mean empathic mimicry is a power worth getting --Crazytom112 17:39, 26 January 2010 (EST)
  • I don't think he can replicate EM. I always assumed the formula only gave him ability replication because the formula wasn't strong enough to give him back his EM. Just a theory though.Gamerelite1 22:13, 1 February 2010 (EST)

One of them

Does anybody else think Peter would be an excellent partner for Noah when/if he manages to get the new Company together? Of course, he still has his Haitian friend René, but they seem to make a great duo, based on their two "deployments" this season (first vs. Edgar, then seeking JEremy's help).
Also, Peter may be reluctant to permanently part with his normal life, but he might be convinced.
Just a thought...--DrIstvaan 15:18, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Powers

Peter flew into Samuel and then rock battled. I now I'm probably getting myself excited here, but it seemed like he flew and used terrakinesis. But again, I'm most likely getting myself over excited.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:02, 8 February 2010 (EST)

  • He likely replicated flight from Sylar, then replicated terrakinesis from Samuel. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:06, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • That said, now that he's "let go" in regard to Nathan, who knows? Maybe his EM is back. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • I don't think resolution of grief and empathy are really related, so that's unlikely.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
        • He crashed into Samuel, took his power, then fought him with it. I doubt he has his EM back. Swm 05:17, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Interaction with Sylar...

Anyone else feel that Peter is being a little too cordial towards Sylar? I mean, I appreciate what went down in the telepathic world, but ultimately, Sylar did murder his brother, and I feel that the way Peter is acting towards Sylar is cheapening Nathan's death quite a lot to be honest. Anyone else feel the same way?--Evil Maldini 08:25, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • Like they said, they spent five years together in that telepathic world. A lot changes in five years. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:45, 9 February 2010 (EST)
    • I must agree with Desi. Given that "half a day" is anywhere up to 12 years for what those two went through, it doesn't seem too friendly at all. It's well within the realms of possibility that Peter would have found some way to forgive Sylar duing that time, which he seems to have done. Swm 10:30, 9 February 2010 (EST)
      • S'pose. It's kinda hard for me to imagine what it must've been like in that world. 5 years!? Yeah, I guess I didn't think of it like that.--Evil Maldini 12:48, 9 February 2010 (EST)
        • What about when Eli is spun around on the floor using TK in order for Peter to read his mind. This happens when Sylar and Peter are both in Matts house, Sylar doesn't make any hand movements and Peter just walks over to him to read his mind. Could it have been Peter who used TK whilst he walked over? --Intuitive Empathic Absorber 13:05, 9 February 2010 (EST)
          • I'm going to rewatch that part right now.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:13, 9 February 2010 (EST)
            • Makes an element of sense, as Peter says "If you want something done right" and Eli promptly spins towards him. On the other hand, Sylar doesn't need to use his hands to use his TK, and all that time together has given them some insight into what the other will do (like when they answer Matt's question together), so Sylar could have just guessed. It's certainly possible, and would also explain the Flight --> Terrakinesis part. I think it's unlikely because I think the writers will make it a big moment if Peter regains multiple powers. Swm 13:15, 9 February 2010 (EST)
              • Just rewatched it, I think it was Sylar but it isn't showing on screen.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:16, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Continuity

We know somehow "current" Peter has to go back in time for a few events.

1) To shoot Nathan. 2) Let his mom berate him about how the only future she sees is the one caused by him. 3) Trap his past self in Jesse. 4) Free his past self from Jesse, and convince his past self to find out how to unlock Sylar's ability. 5) Somehow put on a show for his past self of him getting shot by Claire and everything that happened in that timeline.

I know that future was supposedly averted. But without these events, he possibly wouldn't have lost his powers to Arthur. Do you think they'll show us him doing it? Were there any other events? Ruler 07:48, 10 February 2010 (EST)

  • Unlikely that this is going to happen, considering an entirely averted future results in Hiro telling Peter "save the cheerleader, save the world". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:19, 10 February 2010 (EST)
    • Those are alternate realities. They aren't going to happen. Just like how ando isn't going to kill hiro.Gamerelite1 21:41, 12 February 2010 (EST)
  • The show kind of glazes over time paradoxes. It's best just to accept it.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:59, 12 February 2010 (EST)

Power Absorption

I know that this is probably covered by everyone else, but should Arthur's power be included in power mimicked?--Blood69 21:07, 4 March 2010 (EST)