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Persuasion

  • When Peter shouted "Don't lie to me" at Isaac, his voiced sounded somewhat distorted like Eden's when she used persuasion. Peter did meet Eden briefly in "Collision" but he didn't know that she had an ability, which means he shouldn't have been able to call out the power. But could he have done it unknowingly? After all what he said to Isaac was a command. FlyingMan 23:31, 19 February 2007 (EST)
    • BTW, has anyone gone back to see when Peter was first meeting with Eden whether or not Peter had come in contact with her? Bkdelong 12:44, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • Remember, Sylar had this voice as well, so it might come from his anger mixed with the TK or something.--Riddler 23:32, 19 February 2007 (EST)
      • No - the producers already said that Sylar's voice was the result of the SCENE purposely being slowed down and Mrs. Bennet seeing sylar from her perspective. Bkdelong 12:44, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • My guess is that he needs to know of the ability in order to use it. Then again, if his genes are reorganizing themselves based on just being near a person, he technically wouldn't. But how would he call out the power if he didn't know it was there? With the others he's duped, he saw them in action. --ZyberGoat 00:20, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • I personally don't think he was using any form of persuasion, I think Peter's voice was just another decision to make it more dramatic like they did with Sylar. (Admin 12:47, 20 February 2007 (EST))
  • Aside from the dream, he never saw Nathan fly before he started to do it... and he didn't know specifically what Sylars power was... nor did he ever know what Claire's power was til he asked her "You're a healer, aren't you?". :P --Riddler 00:21, 20 February 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, I believe Peter and Nathan did fly together in one of the early episodes...Peter jumps off the building, and Nathan swoops down and grabs Peter's ankle before he hits, and they 'fly together' until they safely land. The only consistency I have observed, is that Peter is in the presence of a power when it is 'executed'. Claire healed herself in Peter's presence in the school, Sylar used TK in Peter's presence in the School, Hiro used S-T in Peter's presence on the subway, Claude used Inviso in Peter's presence on the street, Matt use telepathy in Peter's presence at the police station, Isaac painted precog in Peter's presence in the loft, etc. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02:03, 20 February 2007 (EST)
        • Peter only was close to Isaac while he was overdosed, then demonstrated the precognitive abilities before he witnessed Isaac painting the future. --Bob 2100, 21 Feb 07 (CST)
          • However, he was close to Isaac when Isaac was painting-- just outside the door, with Mohinder. Maybe that was close enough, if indeed proximity during execution is necessary for Peter to learn special abilities? Rwun 01:46, 27 February 2007 (EST)
  • But he first sketched the future in Don't Look Back. He didn't visit Isaac with Mohinder until Collision.--Hardvice (talk) 01:57, 27 February 2007 (EST)
    • It seems his instincts are starting to take form in his survival/emotions, whereas he's still trying to make the choice of using his powers. - User:Baldbobbo - 19 Feb 2007 23:26 CST
    • It really depends on how you evaluate the response. Peter told Isaac to stop lying to him. Did that happen? To my recollection, Peter looked at the painting of Simone and Isaac and asked if that's why he did it and Isaac yelled, "You stole her from me!" blah blah yadda yadda yadda bang bang glurg. It's hard to say if the response was truthful because Peter said so, or because Isaac got the wrong button pushed. Hakkun 03:17, 21 February 2007 (EST)
      • My guess--the only reason they distorted Peter's voice there is that Milo's real voice just doesn't sound scary enough.--E rowe 10:02, 21 February 2007 (EST)
        • The effect they used to change his voice is also completely different than the one they used for Eden's persuasion. I agree, I think it was totally for dramatic effect. (Admin 10:12, 21 February 2007 (EST))

Though I don't believe that Peter demonstrated Eden's ability, I think it would be safe to say he did, however, acquire this ability from at the least making physical contact with her (something he has not needed to do in order to acquire an ability). But if he did, would that make him the first Jedi? :-D --Bob 21:00, 21 Feb 07 (CST)

  • We learned in The Hard Part that Peter absorbs powers from people around him, even if they do not use the power in front of him (Ted) ... So that means he absorbed Eden's power for sure, the question is did he mimic it ? I believe he did when he easly conviced Mohinder to follow him around, only for him to suddenly change his mind later on, like if he stopped using persuasion ... What do you guys think ? It makes sense, especially if you concider Peter always used a power quite soon after absorbing it IIRC (Peter's first drawing, Reading Matt's mind, His hands glowing after absorbing Ted's etc.) --LeoChris 13:24, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
    • You're right, it makes perfect sense that he has the power. He may have even used it, but there's no clear example of it. Every time Eden used the power, there was a special voice effect that accompanied it--I've never heard that for Peter. I'd say we just have to wait until there's a cut-and-dry example. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Clarification

I know it's wrote upper in this same page but it has to be said again! People don't get it!! And it doesn't belong to the spoiler page anymore ? Aren't we in April ? So... I thought about it because an edit has been considered as speculation but it isn't, no ?? We should also update the power mimicked section...

  • Writer Joe Pokaski confirmed in the March 2007 Wizard World Q&A session (with Tim Kring present), that only being in the presence of Sylar gives Peter all of his powers. (Whether they are actually used or not). This means that as of the meeting between Sylar and Peter in (Parasite), Peter now can be confirmed to have absorbed these additional powers: (even though he may not be aware he now has them)
Cryokinesis (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Enhanced hearing (from Sylar in Parasite)
Enhanced memory (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Intuitive aptitude (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Liquefaction (from Sylar in Parasite)
Mental manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected)
Persuasion (from Eden in Collision)
(NBC.com)

-- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:23, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

    • Yes, it's completely sound reasoning, and yes, it's confirmed in an interview. But since it hasn't been confirmed in an episode, it needs to be confined to Notes or to theories articles. As for the "Powers mimicked" section ... well, since he hasn't actually used any of them yet, he hasn't mimicked them ... even though he has been exposed to them and could mimic them. They're not really "spoilers" per se, but each of those powers isn't "confirmed" until Peter actually uses them.--Hardvice (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
      • We do not regard interviews as primary sources, and we only put information from primary sources in the main articles. Consequently, even though Joe Pokaski says that Peter has all these powers, none of them are confirmed until he actually uses them in a televised episode or in one of the online comics. --Ted C 17:34, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
        • Ok I can go to sleep smarter now! Thanks for the clarification. It helps. See ya gn8 :p -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:36, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
        • Confirmation of the interview answer became "canon" when Peter's hands became radioactive when meeting Ted in The Hard Part. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/8/2007 23:17 (EST)
          • That confirms that he can mimic abilities without seeing them used. That still doesn't change the fact that he has yet to mimic any of the above abilities, so they still don't belong in a section labeled "powers mimicked".--Hardvice (talk) 03:49, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
            • Would Peter actually be able to absorb the Haitian's power of mental manipulation? After all, the Haitian has the power to block Peter's powers, so surely this could include Peter's ability to absorb other people's powers. This seems like a more questionable one that he has been exposed to than the others.--Brianirwin 13:21, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
              • This is an excellent example of why we don't immediately move powers from "exposed" to "mimicked". Because of the way the Haitian's power interacts with other powers, we don't know if it's even possible for Peter to mimic his ability. The Haitian may suppress Peter's empathic ability before it can copy the Haitian's ability, or it may not. We won't know for sure unless and until Peter actually uses mental manipulation. --Ted C 13:44, 5 October 2007
                • This explains how Peter used Phasing presumably from D.L without witnessing D.L use it. In fact Peter must have absorbed it when he was fighting Sylar and when he told Niki to go back to her family, D.L was wounded on the ground. He might have absorbed just from a glimplse of D.L or something like that. Really, there is nothing saying Peter hasn't got Technopathy and Clairvoyance since Micah and Molly where in Kirby Plaza too. --Dave 18:37, 27 October 2007

Peter's Fire ability?

Powers future peter pyro.jpg

take a look at this video of episode Five Years Gone At around 8:20 you can see peter and sylar starts fighting...and sylar summons his ice,then peter says "fire" and red firey hands. I think he might have got it from claire's mom.

  • Could be induced radioactivity, can't tell exactly. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:13, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • For more explanation, check out here. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:16, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
      • It looks like fire, but just brighter. I don't think it's anything unusual.--Ice Vision 17:27, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
        • He says 'liar', not 'fire'. OUChevelleSS 22:46, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
          • It's most likely fire; you can hear the "whooshing" sound of the fire in his hands igniting. Thrashmeister 19:57, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
            • Just for clarification, he says "liar", but the power he's using is fire. It was pretty much confirmed in the commentary for the episode. Ice vs fire. (Admin 20:05, 29 May 2007 (EDT))

You know how Peter has to "remember" someone to use their power?

Well... don't you think Charlie...erm...Sylar's eidetic memory would serve as a NICE way to remember every person he meets? Imagine in the future in cases such as Walls, where he meets many people, with eidetic memory, he could harness so much power, even if he only met the person for a minute. Hehe, fun speculation.--Riddler 17:26, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That's very true. However, I don't know if he needs to remember everyone, because he performed telekinesis without even knowing he could or who had done it at first.OUChevelleSS 19:32, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Which is also further proved by the fact he is using the powers while he has amnesia. --Snow Leapord 07:42, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Postcognition?

Can we say now that Peter has at least both precognition and postcognition? Do we want to call this something else now? Dreamcognition? Astral projection might fit since he was able to talk with Charles while dreaming, but I don't know if we're ready to call it that yet until he talks to someone else besides Charles in his dreams.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:22, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I don't think we can call it anything, because we really don't know what happened. It could have all been in Peter's head, as unlikely as that seems. It could be something Charles did from the past, or a power Charles' had that Peter absorbed. We know too little about the event to do more than just note it, I think. --Ted C 13:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Sanjog, anybody? --Riddler 14:49, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • When Sanjog appeared in Mohinder's dreams, he did so as himself. What happened in HTSaEM isn't consistent with what (little) we know about Sanjog's power. --Ted C 14:54, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Just because we didn't see him doesn't mean he wasn't there. --Riddler 18:34, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Why can't it just be a dream?--Ice Vision 18:50, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • It could be, but unlike Peters other dreams, this one was of the past, and in a situation MUCH like Mohinders dreams. What makes it tough to figure out, is the fact Charles talked to him. --Riddler 09:52, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I have a feeling when we learn more about Charles, we'll also learn more about this event. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:20, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Enhanced Strength

In the finale, when Peter was fighting Sylar, Niki started fighting Sylar as well. Then Peter stood up and told Niki something like "I can take it from here" and then appeared to be overpowering Sylar. Was this just adrenaline kicking in, or did his absorb her power?

  • He probably absorbed her power, although it's hard to be sure. It's not like he knocked Sylar across the plaza. --Ted C 14:43, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Why "probably". Peter absorbs every powers within a certain radius. Can't tell for sure how the radius is large but it is evident Niki was in. So he has Enhenced Strengh for sure! We shouldn't doubt about this, after that, the fact he uses it or not, that's another question, but he does have this power. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        14:46, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I guess I mis-stated my position. I have no doubt he absorbed her power, but it's not certain he was actually using it when he started beating Sylar. --Ted C 14:49, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
        • I think the sound effect used when he punched Sylar is a pretty good indicator that it was more than just a regular punch. That, coupled with his comment to Niki that he could take it from here, seems like it was a demonstration of the power. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:27, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Plus with four punches to the face, Sylar's face looked pretty messed up. The sound effect is what did it for me.--Bob 11:28, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
          • It has already been confirmed that Peter did use Niki's power against Sylar.--

Blaze77 9:56, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Questioning Blue-Bolt

When I first watched it live, I thought it was a blue-bolt coming out of Peter's hands also. However, after rewinding it and re-watching it; it simply appeared to be a display of Telekinesis only; and one of the Irish Thug's flashlight's just happened to cross through the scene in such a way to make it appear at first glance, to be a new power.

TK and a regular flashlight, don't a new blue-bolt power make. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 00:16 (EST)

  • Agreed. I'll have to watch again, but it seems way too early to call it a new power.--Hardvice (talk) 00:19, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • I just removed a new entry in the Electromagnetism page from someone who just tried to attribute Peter to now having that power.....There's gonna be alot of that overzealous stuff going on this week! --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 00:21 (EST)
      • I'm pretty sure it's gonna be either electromagnetism or energy manipulation. Come on, who doesn't wanna see Peter fire a Hadouken at one of those poor Irish suckers? =) --AvadaNella 16:23, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
        • Looking at it again, it appears that there's a glow from Peter's hand after Turok flies backwards. Also, there's a spoiler video clip of Peter firing a similar "energy blast" across a room at someone's chest.--Bob 16:29, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
          • I rewatched both the final scene, and the preview from next week. I changed my mind....Peter did emit a blue-bolt in both scenes. No doubt now. It looked more electrical than freeze, and didn't look pyro nor atomic. Has Peter met the sick hospital kid, and us not realize it? Does atomic detonation create lightning as a by-product? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 18:22 (EST)
            • This is why people think Elle has something like electric powers, but Kristin continually denies it. Probably got it from her.--Bob 05:02, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
              • At first glance, I thought it was TK as well, but someone told me it was a blue light. Even if Peter used TK on Tuko, he still has this "blue bolt" power, as we saw him use it in the previews for next week.--Blaze77 10:00, 30 September 2007
  • Ya. Definatly some sort of electricity bolt power. It was shown on this week's episode multiple times. Divinebaboon 21:31, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
    • It's not electricity bolts. It's clearly "energy bolts". I would go so far as claiming they are harukens.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I'll have to check again, but I believe when Caitlin was cleaning Peter up they called it "electricity". (Admin 22:14, 1 October 2007 (EDT))
        • Confirmed. Caitlyn: "then an electrical short blew Turko on his arse." Peter: "the spark. I think it came from me...my hand." --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/1/2007 22:28 (EST)
          • Hrm, you're right. Once again we have to go with whatever the characters call it, even if they might be wrong. I'm hoping when Elle comes along, they give her a different effect and Peter realizes he wasn't using shooting electricity, but instead energy. Until then, electromagnetism it is. --MiamiVolts (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Electromagnetism uses the flow of electrons to create magnetic fields. I don't think a burst of energy really fits with that. OUChevelleSS 23:18, 2 October 2007 (EDT)OUChevelleSS
              • Any flow of electrons creates a magnetic field--that's a big issue with some homeowners who want to move due to the magnetic fields created by power lines. Anyways, a couple of us have already expressed hope that someone will ask about this power for the next CBR.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:29, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

EMP vs. EMB

  • I thought Ted could use Electromagnetism, after all he did use an EMP during an escape, would not Peter have got the Electromagnetism from him? Kondor 15:54, 2 October 2007 (GMT)
    • Yeah, I just noted on the episode talk page that is really a moot point. Whether he can shoot lightning bolts or pulses, it's still electromagnetism.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
    • EMPs are a side effect of nuclear explosions. The fact that Ted was a Nuclear Explosion waiting to happen it isn't surprising he could do an EMP, but an EMP is not the ability to shoot electricity out. --Snow Leapord 13:23, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Right, but both are forms of electromagnetism and EMP's can be directional. Check out this video. It's a cool clip from 1990's TV show Viper, which had the ability to shoot an EM pulse to disable vehicles. Note the electrical shock effect on the boat when it hits and compare that to the Lizards clip. It's very similar.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:39, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Maybe it's just me, but I don't think electromagnetism can send people across the room. It's an electromagnetic pulse that disables electric devices. These blue sparks are clearly a manifestation of a whole new power. --Looky 19:22, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
      • As demonstrated in today's comic, Peter is using the exact same power as that bald teenager from an earlier comic, that Mohinder thought he could cure with his blood. --Snow Leapord 07:41, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Actually, he's about the only person we know he didn't get the power from, since Aron and Joe flat out said as much in the latest Behind the Eclipse.--Hardvice (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
          • I know he didn't get the power from that kid but it still that power. Like how West and Nathan both have flight, clearly someone else has electromagnetism like that kid that Peter copied it from. --Snow Leapord 16:34, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Why he can't remember

I guess it's possible that his mother Angela got hands on Peter before Nathan was able to find him. Eventually with the help of the Haitian she eradicated his mind for some reason. I guess the helix pendant is the Haitian's one.

  • Maybe Peter's mother had nothing to do with it, and Peter fell out of the sky and landed near The Haitian, and after four months, there was some reason for Peter to have The Haitian wipe his memory and send him to Ireland in a crate of Ipods. Maybe The Haitian gave Peter his necklace as a clue to his past.--Blaze77 10:05, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that the Haitian is probably involved in some way, because he did not have his necklace in "Lizards." However, I dont know if Peter was involved with him like you described... Dean Harper 20:12, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Well, after almost destroying NYC, my theory is that his mom thought that it would be best if the Haitian erased his memory so he would forget how to use Ted's power. Only, it didn't work out as she expected...--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I wonder if his enhanced memory power will mean that Peter gets his memory back quickly on his own. I suppose it is a question that depends on whatever hurt his memory (being blown to pieces, or the Haitian). I would imagine the Haitian's power would overpower the enhanced memory.--Brianirwin 16:40, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Peter has been shown to have acquired enhanced strength from Niki Sanders. Perhaps he has also acquired some sort of split personality trait from Niki/Jessica, thus explaining why he doesn’t know who he is, or have any memory of previous events (similar to Nicky in the early parts of S1). Subtle hints may also suggest this, i.e. the relevance of Peter looking in the mirror at himself after Caitlyn cleans the blood of his face?
    • Peter looks in the mirror after Caitlin cleans the blood off his face because she said there was no wound, he was checking because he felt the pain that resulted from the wound and he knows blood doesn't just come out of the skin for no reason. --Snow Leapord 07:44, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

My new guess is that Elle shocked him so hard, that he somehow suffered an amnesia BloodyFox

In "Out of Time" it does look like Peter uses enhanced memory that writers say he absorbed from sylar. So if he is using enhanced memory it seems like all he has to do is use it more and hopefully he'll remember everything. --Dman dustin

Age

I seem to think we were over Peter's age somewhere before. But how do we know he's 26? His passport lists his birthday as Dec. 23, 1979. Granted, it also says he's female. But it's worth considering as important evidence for his age if there's nothing better.--E rowe 16:50, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I went ahead and added it in, based on the evidence given in his passport. -- Paronine 18:43, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Wasn't it stated in an episode ? Godsend ? --LeoChris 19:54, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • That's right, it was in Godsend. He was in the hospital and his mom was lamenting the fact that he had been through so much at only 26 years old. He turned 27 just a few months later, apparently. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Which they actually got right: if his birthday is in December, and Season One ends on Nov. 8, then he's 26 in Season One and 27 in Season Two. Huh. Who knew they could do ages properly?--Hardvice (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I think that passport is forged and he'll realise it when he realises it says he's female (or when he tries to use it and the person behind the counter points that out)... or he really is female. --Alex mcpherson 79 03:05, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
    • The female thing means nothing really. I was born male, I am not in the process of becoming female, yet my driver license says female. A coworker was born female, not in the process of becoming male, yet her passport says male. It is an error done by a government employee who couldn't care less if he/she does her job correctly. --Snow Leapord 21:45, 27 October 2007 (EDT)