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Abilities mimicked

For the abilities mimicked under peter's page and abilities acquired on sylar and arthur's pages, how does anyone feel if we changed all that in to boxes/chart form. sort of like this example here on a page i created. to me it will look more, cleaned up.

Here is an example for peter of what i am talking about.

Abilitiy Source First Mimicked

Precognitive dreaming

Angela Petrelli

Genesis

Flight

Nathan Petrelli

Genesis

Look how neat.

Tell me what you think.--Catalyst

  • That looks pretty cool... I wouldn't mind it. Just one thing; we could just use a Wikitable like this:
Ability Source First mimicked
Precognitive dreaming Angela Petrelli Genesis
Flight Nathan Petrelli Genesis

-Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 00:10, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

oh yeah, that's fine. lets go with that. But we would use it with all the people who have acquired powers right? Catalyst

  • I'd say we should, if we're going with this format, for consistency sake. I like it! --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

So who is going to be doing this task?--Catalyst -Should I go on ahead an do it?

  • Nope, very few people have given input in this so far, I'm not particularly fond of this idea, we already have a template for those things, and it's used in a few pages, so short of applying the wikitable table format to the already existing template, I don't see this going forward. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:42, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
  • The second one looks good, nice and neat. Wouldn't mind it as it looks more professional, but seems like unnecessary work. But, it doesn't bother me. --Powermimic 22:07, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Haircut

Is there a source on the "Petrelli" hairstyle named after the character? I've tried Googling it, but can't find anything myself. --Nogard 04:57, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

  • It's not really called that. It's just a nickname that fans of the show use for that style. It's just curtained hair. Bloodbath 00:25, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Empathic Mimicry - Telepathy

Shouldn't the source of Telepathy be changed to Charles Deveaux Peter was exposed to that long before he met Matt Parkman? --Snow Leapord 16:53, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • He could of been exposed to it first from Charles (we don't know if he still had his ability), but the first time he used it was when Matt was trying to read his mind. So he mimicked Matt. --Powermimic 01:22, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • He started reading minds in response to Matt reading his mind, but that doesn't mean he got the ability from Matt. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:53, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
      • We don't know if Charles still had his ability, writers themselves hinted that he could have lost it to Arthur in the BTE, but they decided to leave it open. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:00, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
        • So it's speculative to say he gained it from Matt Parkman. - Josh (talk/contribs) 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

No, it's speculative to say that he got it from Charles.--ERROR 15:05, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

  • No? It's speculative to say who he got it from at all. - Josh (talk/contribs) 14:07, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
    • You're right.--ERROR 19:49, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

Hmm

I made an edit recently that was reverted. It was adding Body Insertion, Illusion,(from Future Peter) Telepathy(from Charles Deveaux), and Magnetism from The German. He was in close proximity to all of these characters in Genesis(Charles), One of Us, One of them (The German), I am Become Death( future peter.) His power was active in all of these situations. Also, does anyone else think Peter did mimic Sound Manipulation. He was in very, very close proximity(impossibly close really) and so recieved the power. I doubt it was only because he was inside of Jesse. Still, if theres no good reason why these powers cant be added, can i add them without it being reverted? MIDAS 06:49, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

  • It was said somewhere that peter did not absorb future Peters abilities. Also since he was inside Jesse he did not have access to his empathic mimicry so therefore did not absorb their powers, even though he was briefly outside Jesse body time was frozen so it is unlikely he was able to absorb their abilities. As for Charles I have no idea, where did you add these edits? was it under absorbed abilities or abilities exposed to? --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 08:23, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

    • Yeah, BTE said Peter is exposed only to his future self's core ability. The Charles thing is that while he was exposed to telepathy when he was with him, he mimicked it from Parkman, so it's not an exposed ability, it's a mimicked, and he got it from Matt. German was dead, and as far it could be told, the German's body was not around anymore. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:37, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Current Replicated ability - Intuitive aptitude, shape-shifting, or All of Sylar's acquired abilities?

What do you guys think Peter currently has? From the scenes in An Invisible Thread, it would look like Shape-shifting considering he is supposedly only able to absorb one ability at a time. But logically, he would replicate Sylar's base power, IA. However, if he replicated IA, he may have access to all of Sylar's abilities at the time. What do you think? -Barbedknives 22:16, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I believe he only replicated Shape-shifting. My thought is that he had planned to get that one specifically in order to foil Sylar's plan. --Jrrenola 22:39, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, he didn't display ANY OTHER powers besides shape shifting. Although now we have to explain why Sylar was currently using electricity and telekinesis, but Peter got shifting --Crazyaspie 22:45, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I think it has to be IA + everything Sylar had. Like Crazy said, it makes no sense why he would have gotten a random power Sylar wasn't even using.--Nax 23:28, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Someone doesn't have to be using a power for Peter to steal it. PrometheusMMIV 00:59, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Another point: Present Peter never talked to Future Gabriel Grey about unlocking IA, so if he replicated AI he couldn't access it. -Barbedknives 22:43, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
    • ...Yeah, he did. Present Peter used to have IA before his powers were stolen. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:46, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes, but with present Sylar 'Nathanized', Future Gabriel Grey doesn't exist as he did, therefore that interaction was negated. Time Paradox. - Barbedknives 22:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
        • ...No, it wasn't? It still happened to the present-day Peter even if the future Gabriel ceases to exist. It's not as if Peter's memories were suddenly erased once Sylar took on Nathan's identity. The future in which it happened was erased, but Peter's experience was not. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:54, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I must note that if he had all of Sylar's abilities he would also have regeneration, but he limped out and had cuts on his face, therefore he does not have that regeneration, so he does not have all of Sylar's abilities. I think he selectively picked shape shifting, because that's what he needed. So it wasn't random. - BlackWidower 01:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Peter specifically says something along the lines of "I bet you didn't think I'd take that one" after stabbing Sylar. So clearly, he only replicated Shapeshifting. Advic 01:22, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • But Claire, Nathan, or Noah said also said something along the lines of "he can get all of his abilities if we can get to him." I think it was Nathan, during the scene in the hall before they confronted Sylar and were regrouping. -Barbedknives (talk)01:26, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • It was to the security/secret service whatever guys, wasn't it? And I was under the implication that either meant all as in his choice of ability, or that Nathan was stretching the truth to emphasize his point. Advic 01:28, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • He said Peter can do what Sylar does if Peter get's close enough. The insinuation might have been all abilities but it was never stated outright. Plus if Peter had all Sylar's abilities, Peter would have regeneration. Peter didn't have regeneration, therefore, Peter doesn't have all of Sylar's abilities. - BlackWidower 01:32, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think Peter did replicate all of Sylar's abilities. Peter did regenerate, if you look closely you would realise he only has blood on his face and no wounds. And to respond to those that say that Peter didn't display anything else despite shapeshifting, why did he need use any other ability? He couldn't possibly slice open Sylar's head in the limo or fry him to bits. Like said above, Peter can only replicate one at a time, but if it is one at a time, wouldn't it be logical that this replicated ability is Intuitive Aptitude? Since he displayed one of Sylar's acquired ability, shouldn't he have mimic all? Oh man, just like in Dual, there are doubts about Peter's powers. -- JLYK 13:44, 28 April 2009 (EST)
    • That's the basic logic behind it. It really just depends on how Peter's power interprets evolved abilities. Does it scan the other persons body and bring up a 'list' for Peter to choose from it the other person has multiple abilities? Does it read innate or acquired abilities differently, and have different responses or capabilities for each? If it can only interpret and replicate innate abilities than logically he would have Intuitive aptitude and by extension everything in it's stash. Like each ability is a 'folder' or 'module' and the Intuitive Aptitude folder contains all the information regarding acquired abilities in addition to itself.

Also, if Peter's power is similar to Arthur's like he suggested, you will remember that when he touched Peter who had multiple abilities at the time, they were ALL removed, Arthur didn't appear to be deciding or selecting any ability to steal.

If Peter can pick and choose abilities, then naturally he could also have the ability to detect multiple abilities in evolved humans. If Peter touches Nathan or another character with multiple abilities is introduced, Peter will know. In the case of Nathan, his cover will be blown. -Barbedknives (talk)01:51, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Peter limped out of the room, he doesn't have regeneration, and his ability is quite different then Arthur's, he can only hold onto one at a time. Finally, if he got Intuitive aptitude, he would have to scan brains to get abilities. He didn't. - BlackWidower 02:05, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • We only know that he can only hold onto one ability because each person he replicated only had one ability. When people with cellular regeneration heal from cuts, if there was alot of blood loss during the wound the excess blood doesn't disappear, it has to be washed off. I'll download the episode and watch it again to get a better idea but I think it's important to remember that RCR takes about a minute to heal broken bones. Peter was limping as soon as Sylar and Nathan flew out the window. -Barbedknives (talk)02:11, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • You're right. It is possible he took all abilities. I'm just not sure we should be speculating as to what happened. But I didn't see him try straightening his leg or anything. I saw no evidence that said, definitively, he had more then one ability. I think anything else is speculation. - BlackWidower 02:23, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • (EC) Peter said to Claire that he couldn't fly. It's well established that Sylar can "fly" using TK. If he had copied them all, he'd have TK, so he'd definitely keep fighting (unless he didn't know he could fly with it, but seeing as how Nathan and Sylar were fighting outside, he must have known Sylar could fly somehow). Advic 02:26, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Agreed. Shape-shifting only is so far the most likely probability, but having them all isn't much lower I'd say. There really isn't enough information to tell, but best assume for now that he only has shifting. Like you said, I'd say if he had TK he might not know how to fly with it. We really only need to see one further scene to be sure, so until then it's up in the air. -Barbedknives (talk)Barbedknives 02:30, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

I say we invoke Occam's razor; We only see that he has Shape Shifting, so we only document that he has shape shifting. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:42, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Regarding Peter taking mimicking abilities from people with more then one keep in mind that the only ability Peter actually needed to use at the time was shape shifting to lure Sylar into following him into the car to stick the tranquilizer into him. Just because he has all of Sylar's abilities does not mean he's is going to go willy nilly and use them all at once. Last nights episode did not prove anything in regards to the fact that he can only take one from people with multiple abilities.It's more likely he copied Sylar's genetic code and took them all.DNA would not recognize the difference between a person with one ability and several.Nor would it be able to choose which Peter would want.from one person to another. Plus you have to consider that Peter only appeared for a second when he deshifted and became himself again. That one second appearance would not be enough to determine what abilities he now has. Until the writers or the next volume confirms it we really cant jump to conclusions yet.And as regards to the theory of Peter only taking Sylar's shifting because he did not heal at the end of the fight, don't forget that during the second season when he was with Adam/Kensei he had to actively focus on healing to do it to heal his memory to do it. Whose to say he would not have to actively concentrate on healing his other wounds too.Regeneration can be as much passive as it could be considered active.--Tbora 22:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)


Here is the synopsis from CBR:

"I can tell you this Nathan dies for real, Sylar gets brainwashed by Parkman so he thinks he's Nathan, Sylar frames Danko for a bunch of murders, Hiro begins to have a stroke due to his powers, Peter gains all of Sylar's Abilities, and Tracy returns on a killing spree as a person who can turn into and control water."--Future21 04:29, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • There also was a poll 'Do you believe these spoilers?' -- Altes 11:12, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I read through the Behind the Eclipse and saw nothing about Peter gaining all of Sylar's abilities. Don't just read the summary if you can read the actual document. - BlackWidower 15:19, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think Peter has all of Sylar's Abilities. How could possibly survive electric manipulation without fighting back? Momoney617 5:21, April 28 2009 (EDT)
  • Even if you think he has all of Sylar's abilities, you don't know. Until we know, it needs to stay shapeshifting. I remind you, when all we saw Peter demonstrate was Flight, we said he had simply flight. - BlackWidower 18:31, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I truelly do believe that Peter did copy all of Sylars abilities because when Peter transformed into the president he also had no scars anything so i think we can make it all of sylars abilities

Sorry to all of you who think that peter healed, but when everyone is standing around the fire watching sylars body burn there are some close ups of peter and you can very clearly see the 3 cuts on his face, he just wiped the blood away. I will post some pictures of this for all of you to see. It is obvious that peter simply gained shapeshifting from sylar.--Corkey1994 07:01, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Here are the links to the photos http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Peter1.png http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Peter2.png http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Peter3.png--Corkey1994 07:11, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I'd say he only has shape shifting. He had a cut on his face that did not heal. When he shape shifted in the president there was no cut because he took the form of someone else. When he reverted back to Peter the cut was still visible. --Master Dave 07:17, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Just thought I'd throw my two cents in. I personally don't think we have enough evidence one way or the other on this one, and so should only go with what we know for certain, which is that Peter took shape shifting. To address two of the main points being argued:

1. Peter still had wounds, thus does not have RCR, thus does not have more than shape shifting... to this I would say that I'm pretty sure there have been times in the past when someone had RCR and still displayed wounds. The most obvious is Future Peter and his scar, which has yet to be fully explained (iirc), but theories have been proposed along the lines of the scar having been received while his powers were not working (implying RCR does not fix scars/wounds one got when the power was not available). Since we don't know when Peter touched Sylar (having not seen the fight), we don't know if his wounds were given to him before or after he would've obtained Sylar's powers, and so to say that he cannot have gained more than shape shifting due to still having marks on his face does not, strictly speaking, follow. So it could be similar to the scar instance. In any case, there have been plenty of inconsistencies beyond even this with regards to RCR, so I would hesitate to use it as a linchpin for an ambiguous issue such as what powers Peter may have.

I'd also like to add, that stating: Peter didn't regenerate = Peter only has shape shifting doesn't allow for other possibilities. For example, a theory that is kicking around is that Sylar developed an empathic ability, and this ability is tied to his telekinesis, electric manipulation, and shape shifting. Possibly even his IA. If this were the case (I'm not saying it is, however unlikely it may be it's still fully plausible) then Peter could have up to 4 of Sylar's abilities, three, or two. -Barbedknives (talk)18:52, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

2. His words to Sylar as he injected him: "Bet you think I didn't take that one from you." (or something close to that). Though people have cited this to imply that Peter only took one power, it can easily be (just as correctly) interpreted to support the opposite. First, saying "that one" could also be interpreted as "that one as well" within acceptable grammatical standards. Second, the way it is phrased could be interpreted in such a way to mean that Sylar, prior to that moment, knows Peter used ability replication, and that Peter knew Sylar knew this. This would mean that:

A. During their fight, Sylar used Clairsentience (the ability, not him sensing Noah's daughter...ahahaha) to obtain this information from either Peter or Nathan.
or
B. During their fight Sylar saw Peter replicate his powers.
or
C. Something else I didn't consider

In the case of A., Peter would have had to also know that Sylar discovered this, which seems odd but not impossible, since we don't know what dialogue occurred.
In the case of B., all parties knowledge is accounted for, but it still doesn't mean Peter has more than one poiwer, as he could have replicated one at a time (eg - touch Sylar, replicate electric manipulation, touch Sylar again, lose electric manipulation, gain shape shifting).
In the case of C., I can't comment until someone fills it in. ;)

All in all, we just cannot say for certain one way or the other, imo, and so list him as having shape shifting, but not definitively comment that it is all he has. --Stevehim 16:40, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I was thinking (and I'm not 100% on this) after Peter limps off with Claire do you see him walking again without a limp? That may mean he did absord regeneration and possibly other abilities. Also his injuries may have been worse before Claire got into the room and he was regenerating on the ground. --Colin--

Not sure how sound effect factors here, but there was no moving-flesh sound, characteristic of regeneration. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:58, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Arguments for Peter's acquisition of all Sylar's abilities

Pros

  • "My brother can do whatever Sylar can do; we just have to get him close enough to touch him." - Nathan Petrelli (emphasis added) [S03E25 @ 24m:53s]
  • Peter Petrelli at the end of the fight has a few scratches at best. He received a full bolt of lightning to the chest, without a healing ability obtained shortly thereafter, he would definitely have died. See: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/710/peter1.png

Cons

  • "Did you take his power?" - Noah Bennet, to Peter when they met up after the fight (emphasis added to indicate the singularity of "power", as opposed to "powers") [S03E25 @ 28m:51s]
  • Although, this doesn't necessarily mean that Peter only took one power. Presumably, they had worked out some sort of plan which only required the one shapeshifting ability, so Noah only asked about that one power. While they wouldn't have likely made the plan prior to this point in time, it could be an error (or an intentional incongruity) on the writers part to make the surprise ending (with peter being the president) more dramatic. I.E., if Noah had said "did you take shapeshifting?", the audience would suspect beforehand what the plot was going to be like. By simply saying "power", the audience was given more of a surprise at the climax, just when we thought Sylar had "won".

Unclear

  • Although, based on the sounds and struggle of the fight, both peter and Nathan took quite a beating. It is unlikely Peter would emerge so relatively unscathed if he hadn't healed a bit first.
  • "Betcha didn't think I took that one from you." This could go either way. That is, Peter could have remarked that, of all of Sylar's powers, he only took shapeshifting. Or, he could've simply pointed out that he took many of Sylar's powers and Sylar did not think he took that one.

Conclusion: The writers write for drama and excitement, not consistency. There are countless times in the series where incongruities appear. All we can really do back is sit back and wait til it becomes clearer in future episodes.

Not sure where to reply, but Elle also blasted West, and he was barely hurt. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:40, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

  • I just watched the final episode in its entirety and I'm starting to think that maybe Peter did take all Sylar's powers. First, Peter didn't know Noah was going to get a tranquilizer. The plan seemed to just be to get Peter to take Sylar's powers and go from there. Also, there was a LOT of electricity discharged behind that door, and there's no way Nathan or Peter would have survived that much lightning (see also Caitlin's brother, charred to a crisp). I think Sylar zapped Nathan first which knocked him out of the fight, then Peter flew into Sylar taking his powers, getting cut on his face in the process. Sylar then decides to finish Peter off by zapping him continuously, but it doesn't work, leading Sylar to realize that he can't kill Peter. At the same time, Nathan gets up and Sylar throws him out the window and gets away thinking Peter only took his healing power. That's why Peter said "Bet you didn't think I took that one" because Sylar knew he took at least the healing. My only explanation of why he still had cuts was that he got hurt before getting RCR, but so did Sylar when Claire stabbed him before he took her power, so there's still lots of holes. Clay wise 20:18, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

I just want to point out something. Several of you say that Peter must have gotten rapid cellular regeneration because without it, he could not have survived Sylar's lightning. BUT, the cuts on his face didn't heal, and he had a limp for a while. If he had RCR, he wouldn't have cuts. Or a limp.--ERROR 19:56, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

He finally saved the day

I would like to make a note, somewhere, that Peter has almost unwittingly been the cause of every season finale's crisis, until the third season. Where should it go and how should it be worded? --Crazyaspie 23:16, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Double check Volume Three, I think the original time line was messed even without Peter's alterations. It was Hiro who unwittingly caused that finale's crisis. - BlackWidower 01:35, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Peter has also been a big part in saving the world, every time. As for where that should go, your userpage, or maybe the theories section is probably the best bet. --Stevehim 11:59, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

It blows my f**king mind...

I'm tired of another volume ending with Peter's uncertain fate. I mean, Volume One ended with Peter exploding in the sky. Volume Two? Well... Nevermind. Volume Three - he injected himself with the formula, and we speculated for weeks what ability he gained. Now this. Does he have only shapeshifting, or all of Sylar's powers? *facepalm* -- Altes 02:32, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Just remember Peter doesn't have IA, so he can't instantly grasp what his power is/does/works the moment he obtains it. I think part of me just doesn't want to see Peter so lame, especially now with Hiro being totally useless from such an awesome character. -Barbedknives (talk)02:38, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Oh, Peter's always been lame. - BlackWidower 02:51, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • At least he had many powers then. ]:-> -- Altes 06:42, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • He did say something along the lines of "Bet you didn't think I've taken THAT one from you?" after shapeshifting back ín the president's limousine. Like in "surprised I didn't take telekinesis and just chopped your head off?". I say replication allows only to hold on to one additional ability at a time.--LongBlackCoat 04:37, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • We'll see, we'll see. -- Altes 06:42, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • This isn't really about Peter's fate. In fact, only volume one finale was about Peter. Season two and now season three were about Nathan.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:39, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

shape shifting

is that the only thing peter got? how did he manage to filter out the rest of them? can he move his own weak spot somewhere else? and will that spot remain there if he gets another power? - Discipol

  • I'll stick with what I said above. Peter conciously decided to take shapeshifting and didn't replicate any other ability of Sylar's. Even though it seems worth noting that he didn't experience any obvious discomfort during the shift, something even Sylar had to deal with the first few times.--LongBlackCoat 05:16, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • All the powers Peter ever got after he took the serum he manifested them at professional level, or at least as good as the owner could use them. same for Sylar's shape shifting. - Discipol
      • Yeah, but he flew before, super strength is pretty much a passive ability and he didn't get much of a grip on freezing. He also had some experience with telepathy.--LongBlackCoat 05:37, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I agree with the current status of his ability(ies) listed on the article. Peter told Claire he couldn't fly after Sylar and Nathan when they flew off during the fight. I can understand why some may think he could have all or some of Sylar's abilities since Peter would only need to replicate Sylar's intuitive aptitude to gain additional abilities, but since Peter didn't outright demonstrate multiple abilities, the evidence is still inconclusive. Not to mention, even acquiring intuitive aptitude and then turning around and using it to copy more abilities most likely would have taken too long considering the pace and ferocity of the fight. Additionally, if we look back at Volume 3, Peter had an incredibly difficult time dealing with the Hunger, and more than likely does not know how to use intutive aptitude in an empathic way as Sylar does, so him being able to copy abilities during the fight (without ripping off skullcaps) may not be plausible. Also remember, Peter told Tracy that he "can only hold onto one ability at a time", so if that holds true, it means that although Sylar had multiple abilities, Peter could technically only take ONE of those abilties due to the limits of his current main ability. As much as I would love to see Peter take multiple abilities again, right now we only know for a fact that he has replicated Sylar's shapeshfting and there is no evidence to suggest he took any other additional abilities. --Telepathic Mimic 09:09, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Peter's new power is a mystery. It seems like he can take the BASE ability, and any alterations to that ability. After all, he took Matt's telepathy, and managed to get the additional mind control power that comes with it. But he didn't instantly heal after the battle with Sylar, which suggests he didn't get the healing power. --Gibbeynator 09:33, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • There's no healing power that comes with shapeshifting, is there?--LongBlackCoat 09:41, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • He could always have morphed away the injury. Sylar can do it with the sweet spot in his brain. --Gibbeynator 10:09, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Sylar didn't heal the injury with shapeshifting. He said he moved the weak spot prior to getting backstabbed (headstabbed?) GabrielPetrelli 17:35, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Peter didn't acquire all of Sylar's powers because, if you look closely, after Peter and Nathan fly into the room to defeat Sylar, you'll notice that when we see the room after the doors close, and Sylar and Nathan are out of sight, you'll see that Peter is LIMPING and he has these unhealed cuts, which means that even though he can absorb a person's ability, he can only take one at a time, also, if he had absorbed all of Sylar's powers, he would have aquired Sylar's Intuitive aptitude, and he would have gone on a rampage (the hunger, remember?) and would have caused Peter to to kill all the other evolved humans around him and aqcuire their abilities (something he practiced after he absorbed and accessed Intuitive aptitude Future Gabriel in I am Become Death ). So, I deduce from this that even though Peter has Ability replication, and can absorb abilities from others by touching them, he can only have one ability at a time. Even when he tries to absorb an ability from Sylar: Peter can only have ONE ability at a time.

  • Regeneration isn't always automatic, it usually takes a couple seconds. And get your facts straight, Peter only gets the Hunger if he accesses Sylar's ability, BTE long ago confirmed that when Peter and Sylar first met in Season One, Peter got all of Sylar's abilities, meaning he needs to recall them, to access them, in the future, the only thing Peter actually did was learn to use the ability. They said the same thing for Arthur after he got Peter's abilities, he wouldn't get the hunger from Sylar's ability unless he accessed the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:05, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Who says Peter has a "weak spot?"--ERROR 20:00, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Who says he doesn't? Sylar still has his, he just used shape shifting to make it harder to hit it, the most logical assumption is that Peter has the weak spot in the place it has ever been, he has no idea he can use shape shifting to move it. Actually, he might not even have the weak spot cause ever since he was repowered, he never replicated rapid cell regeneration. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:26, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
    • For the one who cannot regenerate, every single spot in the brain is weak. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Rant

I have been a huge fan since season 1 but the turn that heroes has taken since season 3 seems to have gone "off the reservation". The stroy has gone from Peter being the main character and having the "feeling that you're meant to do something great" to a plot that looked like it was thrown together at the last minute and made no sense at all. I.E. Aurthur Petrelli taking powers for what reason and why take a power you already possess? Building 26 vs The Company? Nathan Petrelli having all heroes hunted down and taken prisoner, then having yet another change of heart. Come on why not actually try and write a good plot like in season 1 and 2, they should have gone with the plot that made sense in the end of season 2 the vial should have broken and the story would have progressed wonderfully, and not to mention you could kill off whatever heroes you wanted to. Now intorducing season 4 where a new government faction started hunting all heroes down not one lead by Nathan Petrelli. Would that of been so hard? Enough about the horrible writters and onto my therioes about Peter Petrelli I believe that Peter took all of Sylar's abilities, but has not learned how to turn one on at a time unlike his origanl power he can only take a power from someone he touches when he touched Sylar he should be able to activate each power one at a time. Not all at once until he gets "turned on" by baby Matt Parkman or "supercharged" by Ando. If the writters and producers were smart (I know it's alot to assume) they would allow this so we could have one hero that is powerful enough to start up the company again since that is the obvious way they want the plot to progress now. Angela isn't going to be alive forever and who is going to foresee the future when she's gone? -- Signyour Poste

  • You're a wee bit grumpy, aren't you?--LongBlackCoat 12:12, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Just a little bit disgruntled I think the writters and producers should think with a little bit more common sense. One more thing with time travel and Peter time traveling as many times as he did, and making different time lines don't you think another future Peter could show up present Peter touch him and gain his EM back then he would never have to touch anyone again or have Hiro travel back in time bring peter from season 1 or 2 back and have present peter touch him. So many possibilities for Peter to get EM back. -- Signyour Poste
    • What would Future Peter have to gain from going back in time so another Peter can have his power? Of course, Hiro can't time travel anymore. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:06, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
  • Please don't ask for others to be "smart" and use "alot" in the same sentence. It's "a lot". Two words. :) Oh and sign your comments. All you have to do is type four tildes. --Action Figure 18:19, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Please don't put a smiley in your comment while condescending to someone about grammar (or anything else). Deathwish 21:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • It wasn't condescension. I smiled because I thought it was ridiculous that someone could make such an ironic statement. The magic of emoticons is that they don't necessarily accurately emote for you. NOW I'm being condescending. ;) (Also, it was spelling, not grammar.) ;) ;) ;) --Action Figure 22:05, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • "Arthur Petrelli taking powers for what reason and why take a power you already possess?" What? Which power did he take that he already possessed? Telekinesis? Regeneration? Paint the future? Electric manipulation? Sound manipulation? Blue or orange fire? Invisibility? Flight? Space-time manipulation? Phasing? Super strength? Super speed? Oh yeah, he didn't have any of that! -- Signyour Commente
    • The point is, he used his power not only to steal abilities, but to render his enemies powerless as well. Was that so difficult to figure out? =\ -- Altes 09:12, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
      • You're *somehow* missing the point, Altes. The point is that this anonymous poster is saying that Arthur is taking abilities he already has, and this other anonymous poster is... Ah, what's the right term... "Yelling" at him for saying that, as he isn't taking abilities he already has (Unless you count Peter. But he wasn't taking his abilities just for abilities he already had - he did it to render Peter powerless. And Peter didn't just hold abilities Arthur already possessed. He possessed much more, so why this anonymous poster is saying "...and why take a power you already possess?" is beyond me.). And in response to this correction? You say "The point is, he used his power not only to steal abilities, but to render his enemies powerless as well." WTF!?!?!??!?!??! Also, of COURSE stealing abilities would render somebody powerless, so your post is redundant, and is missing the point.--ERROR 18:02, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
  • The orginal poster somehow missed the fact that Arthur stole Hiro's ability in order to render him powerless, so pointing it out to him wasn't redundant. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:06, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Fair enough.

But I wasn't saying that him pointing the fact out was redundant. I was saying that what he said was redundant (Which you just told me was wrong.). But, again, fair enough. I never realized he was agreeing with us.--ERROR 15:40, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

"Nathan Petrelli having all heroes hunted down and taken prisoner, then having yet another change of heart." He was exposed, and then hunted and then he realised his mistake. The president didn't know he had a power except for people working in Building 26. So when he went to the President and call off the operation, the President thought he wanted to end the operation he started. He saved his own life and everyone else's. And speaking logically, if you want the plot to progress, this would have to happen or else it will be Volume 5 "Fugitives, Volume 6 "Fugitives", Volume 7 "Fugitives" and so on. Fugitives volume will never stop if Nathan didn't stop it.

"Angela isn't going to be alive forever and who is going to foresee the future when she's gone?" Erm...Matt Parkman? Who developed Precognitive painting thanks to his spirit walk? --JLYK 15:06, 29 April 2009 (EST)

  • Honestly, of all the weaknesses of this last season, the worst has got to be that Hiro still thinks like a 9 year old who clearly has read way too many comic books. Just when I thought Claire trying way too hard to be a "hero" was the most annoying part of this latest season, Hiro comes in an tops the last two episodes off with his annoying, whining, overzealous, excessively self-righteous, and childish self. It's bad enough his Japanese accent is terrible, but I could ignore that if the content of his speech wasn't so dull. "It tis my destiny! We must save zee world! Mista Mata Pahkmun" [sic]. Every time he talks I put my hand on my forehead and sigh. --Logic[] 02:47, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

When I read YOUR post, I facepalmed and sighed. So what if he has trouble with English? He is Japanese. It wasn't until two years ago (In-show) or something that he started learning English. Before that, he spoke only Japanese. YOU try speaking a language you've barely learned. I'm sure you'd have problems, too. Yeesh.

I'd say something else about your ignorance, but the rest of your ignorance is acceptable.--ERROR 18:02, 11 June 2009 (EDT) Yeah. Hiro's accent is one of the best things about him. He comes off as this fragile, very light, optimistic character. HIRO ROX!!!

    • Good point.

On that note, this talk page isn't about rants about the show, either.--ERROR 19:36, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

Funny...

Perhaps ironic, but Peter beat his brother on reaching presidency. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:58, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah... In all futures Nathan was dead. In two of them he was the President. In first one he was killed by Sylar, in the second one - by Peter. Poor Nathan... *sighs* You better never tried to become the President. -- Altes 01:37, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Peter's wounds DIDN'T HEAL, or he DIDN'T WIPE THE BLOOD OFF HIS FACE?

This is a very big difference, as just blood on Peter's face means he acquired regeneration from Sylar. Wounds on his face means that he didn't acquire all of Sylar's abilities. I don't see any wounds on Peter's face, just blood. Blood = just some red stuff. Wounds = see Nathan's throat cut by Sylar. Either Peter doesn't have any wounds, or the make-up artists deserves to be fired. Seriously, is it even confirmed that Peter replicated ONLY shapeshifting? Peter did say "Bet you didn't expect I did take that one from you" or something like that, he might mean that Sylar expected him to replicate only ONE ability, BUT he managed to replicate ALL of his abilities. I am amazed at how one wound can be such a huge difference =o --JLYK 21:42, 30 April 2009 (EST)


Peter doesn't wear the same clothes at the end, so obviously he took a shower. (The time Nathan was creating the new company with the president)

And he still has those "wounds" (and not the blood trail, we do see wounds cleaned up). The make up is terrible, they do not have any budget. -- Signyour Poste

  • You people are over-reacting in a ridiculous manner. The makeup is not terrible and they do have a budget. If they DIDNT then they would have an unlimited amount of money to use. You dont grasp the meaning of the word. Perhaps you meant they have a very limited budget? Again, wrong. Although it has been scaled back, it is still higher than most television budgets, and to be frank, when the budget was bigger the story was suffering. --Action Figure 13:20, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
    • You totally don't get what I am saying. I just said "either Peter doesn't have any wounds, or the make-up artists deserves to be fired". The person who didn't sign his name simply said "The make up is terrible, they do not have any budget." Who's the one who's reacting in a ridiculous manner? You went on to talk about NBC's budget for heroes. Remember what this topic is about, whether Peter's wounds healed or didn't, not about heroes-budget-affecting-the-show. I don't think we are over reacting over this matter, nearly everyone on Heroeswiki is debating about Peter's powers. Since you said the makeup is not terrible, why not you try to explain whether that was Peter's blood or his wounds. You should be able to tell from "excellent" makeup. --JLYK 13:33, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Point me to where I said it was excellent make-up, because I can point you to where saying that someone should be fired because they didnt do the makeup the way you would prefer is an over-reaction. --Action Figure 14:41, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Have you ever heard of the term "over-exaggerating"? If someone said "You're dead." Does that mean you're really dead?
        Since you said that I think the make-up artists deserves to be fired, from your line "The makeup is not terrible and they do have a budget", I assume that you think the make-up is excellent. --JLYK 11:24, 1 May 2009 (EST)
        • I was replying to you AND whoever posted after you. --Action Figure 20:59, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
          • Yea AND now I am replying to you. --JLYK 15:48, 3 May (EDT)

CALM DOWN YOU TWO!!!!! AND TO ANSWER YOUR REAL QUESTION, PETER HAD WOUNDS AT THE END OF THE EPISODE BUT IT COULD BE THAT REGENERATION DOES NOT AFFECT WOUNDS GOTTEN BEFORE ACQUIRING IT? -- Signyour Poste Excuse me, Sylar, knife, Claire, the Second Coming, regeneration, worked out the clues yet?-- By Danko CH 18:14, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

  • The status of Peter's abilities--specifically which abilities he holds and whether or not he has all of Sylar's abilities--remains unconfirmed, as far as I know. If somebody has a quote from a director, writer, or producer, I'd be curious to see it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:48, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

I'd love to see it, too. And you guys... Uhhh... Words fail me.--ERROR 18:08, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Also, maybe they left the status of the wounds ambiguous, to keep Peter's abilities ambiguous? Maybe they just love these little debates we have.--ERROR 15:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Does Peter know that Nathan's really dead?

The last scene in An Invisible Thread seemed to imply that only Angela, Noah, and Matt knew that Nathan was really dead. Does Peter know? Does ANYONE know? LimaBean 17:12, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

  • No, I don't think he does. Angela wanted Nathan's "Revival" to be a secret. She also knows Peter would disapprove greatly.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:24, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Only Angela, Matt and HRG know. Only they saw Nathan's dead body. -- Altes 04:27, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

But what I don't get is...when Peter injected Sylar with tranquilizer, how could Peter just walk away?

  • I think they told Peter and Claire to go find Nathan (just to give themselves time). Though i may be wrong about that.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:24, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Other abilities?

Has it been confirmed yet that he only replicated shape shifting?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 00:57, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
Confirmed by who? There will be no BTEs until Season Four begins. -- Altes 11:38, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
Catalyst was asking, not stating. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:22, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
Anyway, I doubt we will know before September. -- Altes 09:25, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

  • This makes the 2nd time in a row we had a long wait to find out what powers Peter has.--Cro Magnon 15:57, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
  • "I can tell you this Nathan dies for real, Sylar gets brainwashed by

Parkman so he thinks he's Nathan, Sylar frames Danko for a bunch of murders, Hiro begins to have a stroke due to his powers, Peter gains all of Sylar's Abilities, and Tracy returns on a killing spree as a person who can turn into and control water." - It has been confirmed that Peter has all of Sylar's abilities. -- Signyour Poste

Yeah, Signyour Poste. Spill the beans!

Also, Intuitive Empath, I think Altes was acknowledging that Catalyst wanted to know if it's been confirmed or not (And you know what I mean by "it's"), and he said that there was nobody to confirm it. Just trying to help, and if it doesn't make sense, then contact me.--ERROR 18:13, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Vandalism on Peter Petrelli page

Some idiot has put some filth, I undo-ed it :| keep an eye for bored little 5 year old children - Discipol

What vandalism? Also, before you complain of idiots, double-check your grammar and spelling.--ERROR 18:15, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Why do you bother to reply to something that ended almost a month ago and won't lead to anything? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:20, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Why do you want to know?--ERROR 15:49, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Because it's redundant. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:03, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

What power(s) did Peter take from Sylar while shaking hands when Peter was pretending to be the President?

Also, why doesn't Sylar fight back? Think of the ease with which he slits Nathan's throat. Why does Sylar shapeshift many times and not fight back? Did Peter do something to Sylar other than just trick him? -- Signyour Poste

Peter was shapeshifted as the president. Sylar wanted to shapeshift into the president. Perhaps that the changes come at a celular level and Sylar's shapeshift didn't know who to duplicate, the president or peter, or a previously manifested person and "freaked out". I don't think Sylar copied the president's dna for future shapeshifting but took Peter's, so Sylar may be able to shapeshift to Peter in the future. That is what i think - Discipol

  • When they shook hands, he took nothing, when he takes an ability, the glow in his hand is very clear. No glow, no gain. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:10, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Exactly!

My impression is that Sylar lost control of his shape shifting, and then, before he could react, Peter shape shifted back and owned Sylar.--ERROR 18:19, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

no one really knowa what powera peter took we just hav to wait for season4

Huh?--ERROR 15:50, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Currently, the only known power Peter took from Sylar was shape shifting. Sylar was caught off-guard, he was expecting to absorb the president's DNA and be done. The multiple makeshifts was probably due to Peter and Sylar having similar abilities at the time. Thus causing wild multiple shifts, note how he didn't turn into Peter. - Exavier 2:46, 14 July 2009

So you dont waste time

I added to the disscusion about changing the info box--Hawkeye 12:34, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Ability link

The link in the section title "Evolved Human Abilities" leads to his original ability. Should it lead to his current ability or simply to "Abilities", much like the same section in Mohinder's page, who we consider as having had two abilities? First Mohinder's ability and then enhanced strength, the link in his article doesn't direct to either page, but to the list of abilities article. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:48, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

  • I am sure his original ability will spring back, one way or another, he has learned enough humility, I do think the writers will fix him better than ever :D I vote to keep the link to his original ability or an article about peter-only abilities, Superman has on wikipedia an article dedicated to superman's powers alone. - Discipol
    • My concern here is simply keeping things consistent among articles, since Mohinder's page presents a similar situation, I thought I'd bring this up. Also, we might need to put Mohinder's ability section with the same subheadings as this one (original and current ability). Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:09, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Well we can't really say Mohinder as a different power, in that sense where it was just "uncatalysed".

We do not know what Enhance Strength provides without catalyst. Some want to see different powers there, allright, but as far as Peter is concerned, i don't think it's the same case at all. I mean, you're not planning to create a new power for Tracy right ? In the whole strory of the show (including 140 novels), no one had completely different abilities (except Arthur, Peter, Sylar and stuff...), the only one would be the haitian, but we can't say for sure it's not the same power that is used in different ways. (To buffer powers, and memories ?) So, given the fact that Peter can't use his DNA to hold several powers, why would Tracy's synthetic power be able to do it ? I don't think that makes any sense there. (removed spoiler) It's like you would create "Empathic Mimicry" for Sylar, that's silly because that's just part of his power.

Yeah because once again, whatever you might think, they did stated he was using empathy, "empathy is not a light side only thing". As if Arthur stating it in the show wasn't enough.

So Ability Replication is "a new power", only in the sense that it doesn't work at all like the original but, that doesn't mean it's not an evolution.

At the beginning of the show, Peter didn't master his power at all neither, i don't see any "Empathic Mimicry 1.0" "Empathic Mimicry 2.0", althought the beginning's power has nothing to deal with the one he had juste before losing it.

It evolved, as will Ability Replication. And if Baby Matt isn't involved, and if it evolves naturally by "connecting to others" as the meaning of life, you do realize that Ability Replication won't be justified anymore.

So i think we should just wait for now.

Please, sign your comments with ~~~~ and don't post spoilers out of spoiler pages. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 16 June 2009 (EDT)


Caitlin

I know I'm going way back, but I would like someone to tell me why peter didn't save catlin

  • I keep wondering why too. My best guess is that he forgot all about her, due to everything that happened after he left that future.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:42, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
    • He didn't learn to control time travel until he activated Sylar's ability, and then he was busy saving the future (where Caitlin was) and now he can't time travel. - Josh (talk/contribs) 13:17, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
      • He knew how to time travel, just not when he had amnesia.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:40, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
        • When did he learn to time travel? - Josh (talk/contribs) 02:00, 8 July 2009 (EDT)
          • Not sure about time travel, but Peter teleported well enough on his own before he found Future Sylar. If you remember, Hiro couldn't teleport without time travel quite a long time. So Peter was better at this than Hiro. -- Altes 06:13, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

This has been made clear either in an interview or in a writer's blog, there was supposed to be a plot in which Peter requested Hiro's help to save Caitlin in the beginning of season three, but then came the writer's strike and they thought that it wouldn't be worth tying that loose end up, so they just forgot her. Don't ask me for the link, I have good memory for info I read, but I'll rarely remember where I read it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:39, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

super speed unnamed bystander

Even through he doesn't have empahic mimicry why does super speed have on this page unnamed bystander, when we know it is Daphene. 50000JH

  • When he went to the exposed future, he still had it, plus when he first got near Daphne in Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, the Haitian was near him, so we don't know if he was actually exposed at that time. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:01, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
    • When Peter first arrived in the exposed future, there was a "pedestrian" with super speed who ran by Peter. The pedestrian's name is unknown. See here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:03, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
      • But we're told all the time that Peter's ability has to do with Empathy. There's no way he could have empathize with the "pedestrian". Makes his power sound like old plain 'Power Mimicry' again. This is why I like that they've made this ability by touch now. --Powermimic 03:45, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
        • I agree. Because empathizing is necessary in order to mimic an ability, the source could be only Daphne. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • Wouldn't he pick up load of abilities even through we did see them in action. 50000JH
            • Please use the sign button or use ~~~~ to sign your comments. Peter was never shown to know D.L. had phasing, yet he was able to use his ability. The Season 3 DVD says, according to what I saw in comments over this wiki, that Peter indeed could have a person's ability just by being near to them. If anything, I think it was made clear that he can access abilities if he knows he has them, and if it's not too complex to access. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:05, 16 September 2009 (EDT)