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If/When

If or when Angela and "Dallas" Petrelli's power revealed at what time period would indicate that Peter absorbed it or would we just list the first time he uses them? --Snow Leapord 21:30, 5 November 2007 (EST)

  • Who the hell is "Dallas" Petrelli? Are you talking of his father? Because his name is Arthur... Well, Peter's got their powers all along, but I think in case of their revelation we should list the powers when first used by him. --BloodyFox 13:15, 9 Nov 2007 (CEST)
  • Back to your actual question: once he uses them, they'd be listed in order based on usage. That's easy enough. But if we learn their powers before he uses them, then the "Exposed" section is generally listed in order of exposure. We'd probably have to list them at the top. We wouldn't be able to cite an episode, nor would we really need to; since they're his parents, there's not much question of whether or not he was exposed to them.--Hardvice (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2007 (EST)
  • On a related note, can we assume that Peters dreams of flight in the start of the series could be an absorbtion of Angela Petrelli's ability? --CSpriv 21:10, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Little mistake with mimmicking Hiro's powers

Someone listed Peter using Hiro's ability to slow time when he was attacked by Bennet and the Haitian on the rooftop of the Deveaux Building. They shot with tazer guns at him and from my point of view he clearly used telekinesis and not space-/time manipulation. --BloodyFox 13:32, 9 Nov 2007

  • But the audio cue (which has never steered anybody wrong) is very consistent with time-stopping. NBC also said that he froze time. There's been a lot of discussion about it: see here, here, and here for example. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:58, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Is it possible that he used both of the powers at the same time? He stopped time first and then made the darts drop. --Willerz 12:33, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Alchemy?

Is it right to say that Peter was exposed to the power of alchemy? Every time he was near Bob, his power mimicry was suppressed by either the drugs or the Haitian. -- Watchmaker 22:09, 12 November 2007 (PST)

  • Sure. All we're saying is that he was in the presence of someone with a power, not that he's mimicked it, or even that he could mimic it. We list mental manipulation, after all.--Hardvice (talk) 01:18, 13 November 2007 (EST)
    • Actually, he was in the presence of Bob without the Haitian in the hospital. It's likely at this time that he gained Elle's powers as well. Otherwise he wouldn't have her power either.--Sylar
      • Exactly...he met Bob and Elle before being put on the drugs, and outside of the Haitian's presence. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/13/2007 12:03 (EST)

Fan Vid broken link

The link to the Peter Van vid links to a 'Peter the Emo' Youtube Video. Does anyone know the correct link?

  • Umm...why would a video that is mocking Peter be a fan video? Is there an actual fan video?
    • I don't think it's hurtful mocking anymore than Milo Ventimiglia does himself. I didn't get any bad vibes from it--just laugh-out-loud funny....I'm sure there are a ton of fan vids out there (I know I'v seen at least three), but I'm not all that into fan vids, so I don't have any links offhand for you. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2007 (EST)
  • Well forget it then, I just figured that a fanvid was supposed to show cool things about a character. I'm not against spoofs, but I thought that it wasn't a clip that should be called a fanvid. Flyingman_petrelli
    • You can change the description if you want to. Maybe then it won't be so misleading... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:01, 16 November 2007 (EST)

The examples of time travel power

  • Is it really neccessary to put the examples of the space time manip power? I get why we did it for the first two times but now we know he can use it. I don't really think we need to list all the times he did. Jason Garrick
  • Ok, thanks Ice! :) Jason Garrick 23:41, 9 December 2007 (EST)

A question

What would happen if Sylar took Mayas ability and Peter came into contact with Alejandro and absorbed his? IIRC Sylar doesn't know Alejandro has a power so he may not kill him. Or what If Sylar and Peter ended up having both powers? Would they be able to have total control over both powers? Meatydoughnut 16:16, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Stupid question, but......

For most of Season 2, episode 10 (Truth & Consequences), the character Peter Petrelli is wearing a really cool 'hoodie' with a single button at the top - does anyone know where i can get one? Thanks!

Persuasion

Would it now be impossible for Peter to use Persuasion due to his memory loss? --Willerz 12:37, 29 December 2007 (EST)

I agree- he seems to freeze Bennet and the Haitian and then un-freeze them when he moves the dart I thought that Peter Petrelli can only use one power at a time anyway(so if he moves the darts he is no longer stopping time) --(this unsigned comment was posted by Sylar149 at 12:02, January 19, 2008)

This may be unrelated, but I noticed that Peter's page lists him as never having been seen to use Eden's power. He does, for just a few words, in the episode "Unexpected", I think when he's fighting with Isaac near the end. I'm pretty new to this, so I'm not sure how to go about changing the article. Teadragon 23:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

  • It's not unrelated, but it's not an example of persuasion. There's some old discussions about it here and here. I believe there's an interview in which they state very clearly that it's just a sound effect and not an example of Peter using the power (I don't have the reference handy, though). However, the most damning evidence is that Peter says, "Don't lie to me!" but Isaac doesn't change what he's saying. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:54, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
    • Than again, Rose said that her power had only been seen as used by Peter, and persuasion has been one of the most prominent theories/rumours for Angela to have. Therequiembellishere 18:19, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
      • Which I completely don't understand. In the usual examples cited for that theory, Angela never actually successfully persuaded anybody to do anything. She tells Nathan to let Claire go and that New York should blow up (How to Stop an Exploding Man), but Nathan didn't actually let New York blow up and he saved Claire. She tells Claire to go to Paris (.07%), but she never does. And that whole thing with touching Heidi outside Nathan's hospital room (Four Months Ago...), the episode commentary is pretty clear that those hand gestures were entirely Cristine Rose's, and was not scripted signs of the use of a power. Besides, Peter still hasn't used persuasion (whether from Eden or from anybody else) in any confirmed example. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
        • Not saying it's true, just adding to the foray. :-) Therequiembellishere 16:22, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Intuitive aptitude

This shows Peter as having a similar ability to Sylar. Therequiembellishere 18:52, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Prophetic dreams

Shouldn't this power be in the list of absorbed powers? It's kind of obvious that he got these prophetic dreams from somewhere. We can't be sure where from but it should at least be mentioned on this page I think.--(this unsigned comment was posted by Drecon at 12:42, June 26, 2008)

More powers

It's fair to assume that Peter automatically absorbs powers as soon as he comes near another evolved human. (For example, he absorbed Ted's without any consent) So presumably he also has Micah's; Molly's; Eden's; Gabriel's; Angela's and maybe even the Haitan and Bob (Haitan can block, but Peter may have absorbed it somehow?)

  • This is mentioned on the artical but it is assumed that if Peter doesn't use a power he doesn't have it.--Skywalkerrbf 06:31, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
    • If Peter doesn't use a power, it's not assumed that he doesn't have it, it's just not assumed that he does. We're not assuming anything, one way or the other. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Where is his body?

We know that his consciousness/spirit/whatever is inside and controlling Jesse Murphy's body. But what did Future Peter do with his body? Is that in Jesse's body as well? Kind of crowded in there if so. --Snow Leapord 09:03, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Well, it's a brand new concept that the creators are playing with this season. It wasn't until the very end of The Butterfly Effect that we really had any solid confirmation that Jesse's insistence that he was Peter was really true. I suspect the creators will string us along a bit and only reveal small amounts of the nature of that setup week by week. It's gonna be an exciting ride! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Exposed Powers in Season 3

I think people are jumping the gun on "Powers exposed" in season 3. Future Peter says he put Peter in Jesse's body, which would suggest that Peter's normal abilities are unavailable to him. Seriously, would he still be hanging out with that gang of sociopaths at the end of "The Butterfly Effect" if he could just stop time, knock them all out, and then teleport away? I suspect that, in Jesse's body, the only power he has is Jesse's, and he doesn't even know what to do with that yet. --Ted C 17:52, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I understand your point of view, but even if Peter doesn't have *his* powers and *can't* absorb the Level 5 escapees' ... he was still (uselessly) exposed to them :P ... Isn't that worthy of a mention ? --LeoChris 18:42, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • He doesn't have empathic mimicry when he is in Jesse's body, so he is unable to be exposed to their powers. --DocM 18:45, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • The "exposed" information is meant to show what abilities he was exposed to in relation to his ability to mimic them. It's basically a way of showing powers his mimicry was exposed to, but he has not actually demonstrated. It means, "in theory he has this ability, we just haven't seen it yet." So in this context it wouldn't be useful to include abilities he was exposed to when he couldn't potentially mimic them. (Admin 18:47, 24 September 2008 (EDT))

Shouldn't we add Mohinder's ability to the section "Powers exposed"? Of course we don't really know if Peter is able to mimic this kind of power (actually I hope he never will) but I guess it remains a possibility.-Mordred

  • We have it listed as an ability, he was exposed to it when his empathic mimcry was 'working,' so we should add it (which I'll do now). Good catch! Stevehim 10:55, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Future Peter

Should we add Future Peter's abilities to the list of powers that present Peter was exposed to? He was in close enough range to have absorbed whatever powers Future Peter had that he didn't. I might be wrong but I think so far Illusion is the only new power we've seen that Peter could have absorbed from his future self. - FlyingMan 03:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I say we should add them ... absorbing powers from another empath is something the show hasn't yet stated as impossible. (Though, granted, Peter absorbing powers from a future version of himself creates a REALLY nasty pre-destination paradox ...) --LeoChris 16:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
    • If he can absorb Sylar's powers, he should be able to absorb his future self's powers. - Hive 07:25, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • In light of Eris Quod Sum and other episodes in season 3 showing Maury's use of telepathic illusions, is Peter using the same chameleon power that Candice manifests, or was he channeling Matt's telepathic powers to create illusions? In the sequence where Future Peter returns to shoot Nathan, he puts on a trenchcoat and hat in the hallway. If he was able to generate widespread illusions, why did he need to acquire a disguise? Is it possible that he only projects the illusion into the minds of a limited number of people using telepathy? Can we confirm how many people simultaneously saw Future Peter without the scar?--Falcomadol 11:47, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Looking back at the episode where Peter shoots Nathan, when he comes out of the closet and when he shoots Nathan, future Peter still has the scar. No one clearly sees him up to the point where Peter (present) finds the coat and hat in the bathroom. When Peter (future) is attempting to recover the gun, he doesn't have the scar, but only Matt sees him. He doesn't have the scar when he is crossing to the chapel, but no one is looking at him, and when he goes into the chapel and is hiding behind the column, only Nathan can see him. In the hospital, only Nathan sees him, although logically Maury must be present. He has a conversation with Angela outside Nathan's hospital room, but no one else is present who would notice his scar. In the second episode, when he's in his apartment with Angela, he does have his scar. When he rescues Claire, he has no scar. Then he has another conversation with Nathan, and has no scar, then reveals the scar, which seems to draw itself from his temple to his jaw. He then appears at Level 5 with his scar, looking for Peter (present). So in all these scenarios in the first two episodes where more than one person that knows him are present, he has the scar.--Falcomadol 12:17, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

How can he?

how can peter absorb haitans power, if haitan's power is to block people use their powers? when peter meets haitan he must be blocked by haitans power and cant absorb.. and if i'm right, this part: Mental manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected) of the text must be edited..

  • The Haitian wasn't blocking Peter's power in Unexpected because Peter managed to stop time. So maybe he got the chance of absorbing the Haitian's ability.--Referos 10:27, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

about time manipulation

peter got TM and doesnt stop when time stops. thats ok. but how can sylar move when time is stopped? because we saw he moved and frozen&broken the sword of hiro nakamura

I think that was just because Hiro lost his concentration when being close to killing someone for the first time.OUChevelleSS 11:54, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Knox, Jesse, Flint

Should the powers of Knox, Jesse and Flint be added to the list of powers exposed? --Ynni 04:43, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • They are already. He's used super strength in the Season One finale. The other two are listed at the bottom.--Bob (talk) 04:57, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Update to Powers

While at the bank Peter would have absorbed Future Peters abilities such as (don't hold me to the name) Body Swapping certainly, it can be argued that while on the run with the level 5 prisoners he may have absorbed The German's if indeed Peter could have absorbed powers while in Jesse's body. As a minor note Peter may have asorbed healing from Linderman, who surely if Nathan was healed by him (or Peter...?) Peter could definetly absorbed his power. I thought I'd put it here before maing the edit to see what everyone has to say. --Jevans

I'm sure that Peter tried using various abilities while in Jesse's body, but he couldn't use anything until he chanced upon Jesse's inherent ability. That suggests that he did not have access to his own abilities during that time, so he couldn't've absorbed the German's magnetic personality, because he was already dead by the time Peter was restored. As far as Linderman goes, we still don't know how that is going to play out... is he merely a vision that Nathan is having? is Linderman really there? Was Nathan healed by Linderman, Peter, or somebody else? Until we know for certain, I'd suggest not including it. --Psiphiorg 19:21, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
So what about body swapping that is a confirmed absorbed ability shouldn't it be included --Taurquin 19:17, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Future Peter is the only one confirmed to have the body insertion ability so far. See (and contribute to :)) this for a discussion on whether or not Peter absorbs Future Peter's powers. Stevehim 17:18, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

When Did Peter Absorb IA?

I noticed that under "Powers Mimicked," the episode "Homecoming" is listed for "Intuitive aptitude"... So you all think that Peter first absorbed this power from Sylar in that episode, but was only able to mimic ("activate") it in "I Am Become Death"? Or perhaps he was only able to first absorb and mimic it in "I Am Become Death"? What say you? -- prander 17:09, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

I would consider Homecoming to be Peter's first EXPOSURE to IA, but he didn't actually absorb it until I Am Become Death. He clearly did not possess the ability. It was clearly stated that neither Peter nor Future Peter had Sylar's ability before he fixed the watch and gained it. The point of the "Abilities Absorbed" section is to show the powers that Peter has been in contact with and conclusively used in an ep. or graphic novel. Since he didn't gain or use the ability until I Am Become Death, Homecoming shouldn't be listed as the time when Peter absorbed IA. 22:00, 8 October 2008 (EDT)~~ Darmenos

  • Was it stated he didn't have it, or just didn't know how to use it? Stevehim 22:12, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I'm under the impression that once Peter is within an unspecified physical proximity (exposed) to another evolved human, he automatically and unconsciously absorbs the power. His genetics "empathize" with that of the other evolved human so that he absorbs and retains the power permanently and the power is thus "in his repertoire" from then on. But he doesn't always automatically and unconsciously mimic ("use") an absorbed power for various reasons.
    So even though he was exposed to Sylar, and even absorbed and mimicked his telekinesis, can the same be said for Sylar's IA? Did he absorb it and have it "in his repertoire" from "Homecoming" or not until "I Am Become Death"? We know he wasn't able to mimic ("use") it until Sylar taught him how to, so when, irrespective of exposure, did he first absorb it? -- prander 23:30, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Quite possible he just didn't know how to use it until IABD, after all we're discovering it's quite a complex power. I'd go for "gained in Homecoming, first used in I am Become Death" --Matchu 14:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
  • IIRC, it was clearly stated in IABD that Peter needed to "get" Sylar's ability. After Peter repaired the watch, Sylar even stated, "You have it now." If you go back and watch it, it seems implied without a doubt that Peter did NOT have the ability, which is why he needed to find Sylar and get his help. And your "impression" doesn't change the fact that Peter has always been shown using an ability relatively shortly after absorbing it(with small exceptions): Flight, Precognition, Lightning, Telekinesis, Time Manipulation, Invisibility, Telepathy, Rapid Cell Regeneration, Pyrokinesis, etc.- all were clearly shown to be absorbed. To then say that Peter absorbed an ability early in the first season yet could not actually use it until the beginning of the third is spotty reasoning at best. All the evidence points toward IA simply not being absorbed in the same manner as other abilities, not just taking more time and instruction to use. Speaking of which, that should probably be added to the IA page. 21:25, 9 October 2008 (EDT)~~ Darmenos
  • Sylar tells Peter in the future that Peter has to fix it. When Peter tells him he doesn't know anything about watches, Sylar tells him "if you want to access my ability, fix the watch". Peter's ability absorbs abilities that he is exposed to (thus the Peterexposed template). What's the issue is when did he mimic the ability, which is what Sylar taught him in the future. He absorbed it when he came into contact with Sylar in Homecoming, but he didn't know how to access/mimic it until Sylar taught him. --Bob (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
  • But an ability can only be "accessed" after it is absorbed. It's simply speculation to state that Peter had this ability dormant since Homecoming. There are more lines supporting Peter NOT having the ability than there are supporting him having the ability but not being able to use it. The line is very ambiguous- it could mean "access" in the sense that Peter has it but can't access it, or it could mean "access" the ability from Sylar(the source). There is simply more evidence backing Peter first gaining the ability in IABD, and no non-speculative evidence supporting it being gained in Homecoming. Using Lightning as an example, Peter first demonstrated the ability quite a while after first coming into contact with Elle. He did not have to be in Elle's presence or instructed on how to use it after it was absorbed. With IA, both were necessary. Also, it has been reinforced multiple times that IA cannot be detected/seen like other abilities can. Hank wasn't able to detect anything other than TK when Sylar was at Primatech. Chandra couldn't tell that he had any ability at all. Peter did not know about the Intuitive Aptitude power until Future Peter mentioned it to him. Either: 1) Peter's ability wasn't able to "recognize" IA until he knew about it or 2) Intuitive Aptitude cannot be absorbed or detected without the consent or help of the person who originally has the power. I'm getting a bit speculative at this point, but the fact remains that Peter clearly did not have, demonstrate, or even know about IA until IABD. ~~ Darmenos 10:58, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The problem with that reasoning is that the entire exposed list would be subject to the same arguments...and would thus have to be completely removed. What I mean is that if he hasn't displayed an ability, and you're saying it's speculative to say he's absorbed the abilities of those he's come in contact with unless he's used them, then that leads to there being no 'exposed' list at all. For instance, we only list Micah's and Molly's abilities based on the fact that they were next to DL and Peter has DL's power. I don't think it's clear at all that he didn't have IA since Homecoming...he just didn't know about it or how to use it. The only lines that indicates (to me) that he didn't have it are Future Peter's comment you listed and Peter's comment to present day Sylar of 'I took your power;' but neither are actually true, because he didn't "take it," and that's not how his empathic mimcry works anyway (he doesn't 'take' powers). So it's just awkward phrasing, and the intention, IMO, was that he needed to gain control over the power to be used to sort out the changes that needed to be made to 'fix' the current future. The non-speculative evidence of him gaining it in Homecoming is that we've been told hw his empathic mimicry works; and thus he should have gained it upon first being close to Sylar. As for the Company's tests, genetically (ie - identifying the codon switches) they could only detect TK, even though they knew he had other powers (and what some of them were). That doesn't support IA being different...it supports TK being different. IA was no more or less detectable than Freezing or Enhanced Memory. Basically, the exposed list should include all of the powers possessed by evolved humans that Peter has been in proximity of (while his empathic mimicry was working), that he has yet to use himself. Stevehim 13:13, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Also, I seem to recall the line that Sylar used was "If you want to access my ability", as opposed to "learn". "Access" would imply Peter's had it but just couldn't use it/didn't know he had it. --Matchu 16:27, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I'm not sure what this really means:
    "Why was Peter required to be physically taught Sylar's power rather than just absorb it as he has done all other powers previously?"
    Very good question Ben. In actuality, Peter probably had already absorbed Sylar's power -- but he had no idea how to access the ability or how to use that -- much like when he went through the training with Claude. However, when we put that in the script some people, people who have a big say in the show, said that was confusing and the audience wouldn't understand. I think they underestimate just how brilliant our audience is. But -- they write the checks, so....

    What say you? -- prander 13:46, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

When Was Super Speed Absorbed?

If I'm remembering correctly, there were two (or at least one) evolved humans with super speed near Present Peter at some point (standing alongside Future Peter) when he was brought to the future. If they were (or at least one was), would this then not be when he was (they were) first exposed to and absorbed this power - before being first exposed to it from Daphne? This would help to explain how he was able to use it against Claire before he saw Daphne use it. -- prander 14:55, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Daphne is the first and only character to have Super Speed, and Peter first used it after she showed up in Costa Verde. Seems self-explanatory to me. ~~ Darmenos 21:27, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Only true for the current season 3 future Peter. The different season 1 future Peter absorbed Super speed from the Agent at the Moab Penitentiary in the "Walls" graphic novels.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/9/2008 22:37 (EST)
    • Since that Peter doesn't exist anymore, it's irrelevant to this particular situation. In Present Peter Petrelli's timeline, the only character is Daphne. Peter clearly demonstrated the ability mere moments after Daphne entered the house. I see no problem. Darmenos 21:51, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I think Prander has a valid point. The two people in the future with super speed passed within a hair's breadth of Peter and, considering the passive and empathic nature of his ability, it is entirely possible he gained super speed by one of these individuals prior to meeting Daphne and thus wouldn't have absorbed super speed from her. Therequiembellishere 23:07, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
        • That's exactly my thinking, The requiembellishere.
          Darmenos - No, she is the only "main character" to have super speed in this future (Season 3). As Therequiembellishere and I have pointed out, he was first exposed to at least one "non-main character" whom had it when he first "arrived" in this future - and before going to Costa Verde. In Present Peter's time line of events (while in this future), that was before he was exposed to super speed via Daphne.
          Further, it seems to make less sense that he was able to mimic this power from Daphne (to hit Claire) when he never knew what Daphne's power was. How did he mimicked it before he ever knew her power was super speed or before he'd ever seen her use it... he wouldn't have known he had it? -- prander 01:10, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Oh, now I realize what you're talking about. The people on the street that had flight, super speed, etc. However, he didn't use the ability until Future Daphne came into contact with him. I'm sure it would have been useful when he wanted to run away from Claire after Future Peter was shot, but he didn't use it then. He could have used it after he KO'd the Hatian during that chase sequence, before you make that argument. It's just the most non-speculative conclusion we have. Darmenos 11:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It also depends on whether we consider the Haitian to have inhibited his ability to absorb her power in Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, Part 2. If he didn't get it from her there, then he must've gotten it from some unknown person in I Am Become Death, as it doesn't make sense to say he didn't absorb the powers of the people on the street...there was nothing remotely stopping him from doing so, and he even saw them using their power, so he should've been able to access it himself. We didn't see what happened after he bonked the Haitian in the alley, so maybe he did start using his powers (even that one) then. Stevehim 07:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Indeed. If The Haitian was nullifying Peter's powers while chasing Peter in "Four Months Ago..." and in "Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration," Peter's power to absorb would have been nullified and he would not have been able to absorb Daphne's super speed then.
        I don't have the DVD or anything, so I can't check. But I assume The Haitian was nullifying his powers while he we see them in "Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration". -- prander 23:10, 12 October 2008 (EDT)