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| align=center | [[Talk:Peter Petrelli/Archive 1|Nov 2006-May 2007]] ||<small>Relationship with Nathan • Powers mimicked • Empathy • Sickness • Power Retention • The Bomb • Offensive power interference • Radius of Mimicry • Photo changed • Hiro's power? • Non-Mimicked Powers</small> |
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Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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== Regarding Phasing == |
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*I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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Re my reverted edit on the [[phasing]] page about Peter absorbing the ability from D.L. - although it's likely that Peter would have gotten it from him, it isn't confirmed. Should this page reflect this also? [[User:DismantleRepair|DismantleRepair]] 00:33, 3 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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* I disagree, but for consistency you should change it on Peter's page too if you are going to change it. We saw D.L. use the power (phasing), then we saw Peter near D.L. in the Season One finale. That confirms he absorbed it from him. Seeing him use it in FML just confirms that he can use it.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:58, 3 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***I don't know. That whole bit (which I '''really''' dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST) |
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** I agree 100%. If it's speculative to say he got phasing from D.L., then it's speculative to say he got enhanced strength from Niki. They were both there at the same time. It's just a longer gap between his exposure and his first manifestation.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:36, 3 October 2007 (EDT) |
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****I have a question. Is it five years total or five years after Peter got there (totaling eight years)?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 07:22, 12 March 2010 (EST) |
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*** He got phasing from D.L. If we learn otherwise, we change the article. Also, Hardvice, maybe it's not the first time he maifested the ability. --[[User:Conspiracy Unit|Conspiracy Unit]] 01:40, 3 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*****Hello? ''<small>Anyone there?</small>'' T.T--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:36, 14 March 2010 (EDT) |
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**** Well, yeah. I was actually agreeing: he got phasing from D.L. just like he got enhanced strength from Niki. The only difference (and it really makes no difference) is that we don't ''see'' him use it until four months later.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:58, 3 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***** Cool, that's what I wanted to do (put down that Peter got phasing from D.L.). I'll move the discussion to that page. |
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== EM Gone a Good Thing? == |
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*When Peter shouted "Don't lie to me" at Isaac, his voiced sounded somewhat distorted like Eden's when she used persuasion. Peter did meet Eden briefly in "[[Collision]]" but he didn't know that she had an ability, which means he shouldn't have been able to call out the power. But could he have done it unknowingly? After all what he said to Isaac was a command. [[User:FlyingMan|FlyingMan]] 23:31, 19 February 2007 (EST) |
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** BTW, has anyone gone back to see when Peter was first meeting with Eden whether or not Peter had come in contact with her? [[User:Bkdelong|Bkdelong]] 12:44, 20 February 2007 (EST) |
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**Remember, Sylar had this voice as well, so it might come from his anger mixed with the TK or something.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:32, 19 February 2007 (EST) |
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*** No - the producers already said that Sylar's voice was the result of the SCENE purposely being slowed down and Mrs. Bennet seeing sylar from her perspective. [[User:Bkdelong|Bkdelong]] 12:44, 20 February 2007 (EST) |
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** My guess is that he needs to know of the ability in order to use it. Then again, if his genes are reorganizing themselves based on just being near a person, he technically wouldn't. But how would he call out the power if he didn't know it was there? With the others he's duped, he saw them in action. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 00:20, 20 February 2007 (EST) |
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**I personally don't think he was using any form of persuasion, I think Peter's voice was just another decision to make it more dramatic like they did with Sylar. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:47, 20 February 2007 (EST)) |
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*Aside from the dream, he never saw Nathan fly before he started to do it... and he didn't know specifically what Sylars power was... nor did he ever know what Claire's power was til he asked her "You're a healer, aren't you?". :P --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 00:21, 20 February 2007 (EST) |
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***Actually, I believe Peter and Nathan did fly together in one of the early episodes...Peter jumps off the building, and Nathan swoops down and grabs Peter's ankle before he hits, and they 'fly together' until they safely land. The only consistency I have observed, is that Peter is in the presence of a power when it is 'executed'. Claire healed herself in Peter's presence in the school, Sylar used TK in Peter's presence in the School, Hiro used S-T in Peter's presence on the subway, Claude used Inviso in Peter's presence on the street, Matt use telepathy in Peter's presence at the police station, Isaac painted precog in Peter's presence in the loft, etc. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 02:03, 20 February 2007 (EST)</small> |
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****Peter only was close to Isaac while he was overdosed, then demonstrated the precognitive abilities before he witnessed Isaac painting the future. --[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 2100, 21 Feb 07 (CST) |
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*****However, he ''was'' close to Isaac when Isaac was painting-- just outside the door, with Mohinder. Maybe that was close enough, if indeed proximity during execution is necessary for Peter to learn special abilities? [[User:Rwun|Rwun]] 01:46, 27 February 2007 (EST) |
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* But he first sketched the future in ''Don't Look Back''. He didn't visit Isaac with Mohinder until ''Collision''.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:57, 27 February 2007 (EST) |
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** It seems his instincts are starting to take form in his survival/emotions, whereas he's still trying to make the choice of using his powers. - [[User:Baldbobbo]] - 19 Feb 2007 23:26 CST |
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**It really depends on how you evaluate the response. Peter told Isaac to stop lying to him. Did that happen? To my recollection, Peter looked at the painting of Simone and Isaac and asked if that's why he did it and Isaac yelled, "You stole her from me!" blah blah yadda yadda yadda bang bang glurg. It's hard to say if the response was truthful because Peter said so, or because Isaac got the wrong button pushed. [[User:Hakkun|Hakkun]] 03:17, 21 February 2007 (EST) |
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*** My guess--the only reason they distorted Peter's voice there is that Milo's real voice just doesn't sound scary enough.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 10:02, 21 February 2007 (EST) |
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**** The effect they used to change his voice is also completely different than the one they used for Eden's persuasion. I agree, I think it was totally for dramatic effect. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 10:12, 21 February 2007 (EST)) |
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I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT) |
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Though I don't believe that Peter demonstrated Eden's ability, I think it would be safe to say he did, however, acquire this ability from at the least making physical contact with her (something he has not needed to do in order to acquire an ability). But if he did, would that make him the first Jedi? :-D --[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 21:00, 21 Feb 07 (CST) |
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*It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. [[User:Ruler|Ruler]] 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT) |
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** Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT) |
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***I agree with [[User:Ruler|Ruler]]. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, ''why doesn't he just use this or that power?'' But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more: |
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1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop |
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* We learned in The Hard Part that Peter absorbs powers from people around him, even if they do not use the power in front of him (Ted) ... So that means he absorbed Eden's power for sure, the question is did he mimic it ? I believe he did when he easly conviced Mohinder to follow him around, only for him to suddenly change his mind later on, like if he stopped using persuasion ... What do you guys think ? It makes sense, especially if you concider Peter always used a power quite soon after absorbing it IIRC (Peter's first drawing, Reading Matt's mind, His hands glowing after absorbing Ted's etc.) --[[User:LeoChris|LeoChris]] 13:24, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**You're right, it makes perfect sense that he has the power. He may have even used it, but there's no clear example of it. Every time Eden used the power, there was a special voice effect that accompanied it--I've never heard that for Peter. I'd say we just have to wait until there's a cut-and-dry example. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:49, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit; |
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==Clarification== |
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I know it's wrote upper in this same page but it has to be said again! People don't get it!! And it doesn't belong to the spoiler page anymore ? Aren't we in April ? So... I thought about it because an [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Peter_Petrelli&curid=1412&diff=58807&oldid=58463 edit] has been considered as speculation but it isn't, no ?? We should also update the power mimicked section... |
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3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again; |
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* Writer [[Joe Pokaski]] confirmed in the March 2007 Wizard World Q&A session (with [[Tim Kring]] present), that only being in the presence of [[Sylar]] gives [[Peter]] all of his powers. (Whether they are actually used or not). This means that as of the meeting between [[Sylar]] and [[Peter]] in ''([[Parasite]])'', Peter now can be confirmed to have absorbed these additional powers: ''(even though he may not be aware he now has them)'' |
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:: [[Cryokinesis]] (from Sylar in ''[[Homecoming]]'') |
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:: [[Enhanced hearing]] (from Sylar in ''[[Parasite]]'') |
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:: [[Enhanced memory]] (from Sylar in ''[[Homecoming]]'') |
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:: [[Intuitive aptitude]] (from Sylar in ''[[Homecoming]]'') |
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:: [[Liquefaction]] (from Sylar in ''[[Parasite]]'') |
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:: [[Mental manipulation]] (from the Haitian in ''[[Unexpected]]'') |
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:: [[Persuasion]] (from Eden in ''[[Collision]]'') |
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: ([http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/video_display.shtml#mea=83532 NBC.com]) |
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-- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 17:23, 26 April 2007 (EDT) |
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**Yes, it's completely sound reasoning, and yes, it's confirmed in an interview. But since it hasn't been confirmed in an episode, it needs to be confined to Notes or to theories articles. As for the "Powers mimicked" section ... well, since he hasn't actually used any of them yet, he hasn't mimicked them ... even though he has been exposed to them and ''could'' mimic them. They're not really "spoilers" ''per se'', but each of those powers isn't "confirmed" until Peter actually uses them.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT) |
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***We do not regard interviews as primary sources, and we only put information from primary sources in the main articles. Consequently, even though Joe Pokaski says that Peter has all these powers, '''none of them are confirmed''' until he actually uses them in a televised episode or in one of the online comics. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:34, 26 April 2007 (EDT) |
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****Ok I can go to sleep smarter now! Thanks for the clarification. It helps. See ya gn8 :p -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 17:36, 26 April 2007 (EDT) |
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****Confirmation of the interview answer became "canon" when Peter's hands became radioactive when meeting Ted in ''[[The Hard Part]]''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 05/8/2007 23:17 (EST)</small> |
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*****That confirms that he can mimic abilities without seeing them used. That still doesn't change the fact that he ''has yet to mimic'' any of the above abilities, so they still don't belong in a section labeled "powers mimicked".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:49, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time. |
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== Peter's Fire ability? == |
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[[Image:Powers future peter pyro.jpg|thumb]] |
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take a look at [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIhuz4oE_RY this video of episode Five Years Gone] At around 8:20 you can see peter and sylar starts fighting...and sylar summons his ice,then peter says "fire" and red firey hands. I think he might have got it from claire's mom. |
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*Could be [[induced radioactivity]], can't tell exactly. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:13, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**For more explanation, check out [[Talk:Peter_Petrelli_%28future%29#Showdown_Sylar-Ice.2C_Peter-Fire|here]]. -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 17:16, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***It looks like fire, but just brighter. I don't think it's anything unusual.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 17:27, 3 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****He says 'liar', not 'fire'. [[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 22:46, 14 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****It's most likely fire; you can hear the "whooshing" sound of the fire in his hands igniting. [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 19:57, 29 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****** Just for clarification, he says "liar", but the power he's using is fire. It was pretty much confirmed in the commentary for the episode. Ice vs fire. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 20:05, 29 May 2007 (EDT)) |
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5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent. |
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== You know how Peter has to "remember" someone to use their power? == |
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--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST) |
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*...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST |
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6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM : |
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Well... don't you think Charlie...erm...Sylar's eidetic memory would serve as a NICE way to remember every person he meets? Imagine in the future in cases such as Walls, where he meets many people, with eidetic memory, he could harness so much power, even if he only met the person for a minute. Hehe, fun speculation.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (EDT) |
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- Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore. |
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*That's very true. However, I don't know if he needs to remember everyone, because he performed telekinesis without even knowing he could or who had done it at first.[[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 19:32, 18 May 2007 (EDT) |
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- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1. |
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== Postcognition? == |
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Can we say now that Peter has at least both precognition and postcognition? Do we want to call this something else now? Dreamcognition? Astral projection might fit since he was able to talk with Charles while dreaming, but I don't know if we're ready to call it that yet until he talks to someone else besides Charles in his dreams.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:22, 22 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*I don't think we can call it anything, because we really don't know what happened. It could have all been in Peter's head, as unlikely as that seems. It could be something Charles did from the past, or a power Charles' had that Peter absorbed. We know too little about the event to do more than just note it, I think. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 13:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Sanjog, anybody? --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 14:49, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**When [[Sanjog]] appeared in Mohinder's dreams, he did so as himself. What happened in [[How to Stop an Exploding Man|HTSaEM]] isn't consistent with what (little) we know about [[Dream manipulation|Sanjog's power]]. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 14:54, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***Just because we didn't see him doesn't mean he wasn't there. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:34, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****Why can't it just be a dream?--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 18:50, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**It could be, but unlike Peters other dreams, this one was of the past, and in a situation MUCH like Mohinders dreams. What makes it tough to figure out, is the fact Charles talked to him. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 09:52, 25 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***I have a feeling when we learn more about Charles, we'll also learn more about this event. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 10:20, 25 May 2007 (EDT) |
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- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise) |
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== Enhanced Strength == |
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In the finale, when [[Peter]] was fighting [[Sylar]], [[Niki]] started fighting Sylar as well. Then Peter stood up and told Niki something like "I can take it from here" and then appeared to be overpowering Sylar. Was this just adrenaline kicking in, or did his absorb her [[enhanced strength|power]]? |
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* He probably absorbed her power, although it's hard to be sure. It's not like he knocked Sylar across the plaza. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 14:43, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**Why ''"probably"''. Peter absorbs every powers within a certain radius. Can't tell for sure how the radius is large but it is evident Niki was in. So he ''has'' Enhenced Strengh for sure! We shouldn't doubt about this, after that, the fact he uses it or not, that's another question, but he does have this power. -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 14:46, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***I guess I mis-stated my position. I have no doubt he absorbed her power, but it's not certain he was actually '''using''' it when he started beating Sylar. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 14:49, 24 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****I think the sound effect used when he punched Sylar is a pretty good indicator that it was more than just a regular punch. That, coupled with his comment to Niki that he could take it from here, seems like it was a demonstration of the power. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 10:27, 25 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****Plus with four punches to the face, Sylar's face looked pretty messed up. The sound effect is what did it for me.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 11:28, 25 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****It has already been confirmed that Peter ''did'' use Niki's power against Sylar.-- |
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Blaze77 9:56, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--[[User:Kleith|Kleith]] 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT) |
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== Questioning Blue-Bolt == |
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When I first watched it live, I thought it was a blue-bolt coming out of Peter's hands also. However, after rewinding it and re-watching it; it simply appeared to be a display of [[Telekinesis]] only; and one of the Irish Thug's flashlight's just happened to cross through the scene in such a way to make it appear at first glance, to be a new power. |
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They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which [[Peter Petrelli (explosion future)|he]] [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|did]]), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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TK and a regular flashlight, don't a new blue-bolt power make. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 09/25/2007 00:16 (EST)</small> |
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* Agreed. I'll have to watch again, but it seems way too early to call it a new power.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:19, 25 September 2007 (EDT) |
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** I just removed a new entry in the Electromagnetism page from someone who just tried to attribute Peter to now having that power.....There's gonna be alot of that overzealous stuff going on this week! <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 09/25/2007 00:21 (EST)</small> |
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*** I'm pretty sure it's gonna be either electromagnetism or energy manipulation. Come on, who doesn't wanna see Peter fire a Hadouken at one of those poor Irish suckers? =) --[[User:AvadaNella|AvadaNella]] 16:23, 25 September 2007 (EDT) |
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**** Looking at it again, it appears that there's a glow from Peter's hand after Turok flies backwards. Also, there's a spoiler video clip of Peter firing a similar "energy blast" across a room at someone's chest.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 16:29, 25 September 2007 (EDT) |
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***** I rewatched both the final scene, and the preview from next week. I changed my mind....Peter did emit a blue-bolt in both scenes. No doubt now. It looked more electrical than freeze, and didn't look pyro nor atomic. Has Peter met the sick hospital kid, and us not realize it? Does atomic detonation create lightning as a by-product? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 09/25/2007 18:22 (EST)</small> |
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******This is why people think [[Spoiler:Elle|Elle]] has something like electric powers, but Kristin continually denies it. Probably got it from her.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 05:02, 26 September 2007 (EDT) |
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*******At first glance, I thought it was TK as well, but someone told me it was a blue light. Even if Peter used TK on Tuko, he still has this "blue bolt" power, as we saw him use it in the previews for next week.--Blaze77 10:00, 30 September 2007 |
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********[[Image:S02e01_Peter_BlueFlame01.jpg]]That sure looks like a blue bolt to me. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 11:18, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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*Ya. Definatly some sort of electricity bolt power. It was shown on this week's episode multiple times. [[User:Divinebaboon|Divinebaboon]] 21:31, 1 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** It's not electricity bolts. It's clearly "energy bolts". I would go so far as claiming they are harukens.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 21:43, 1 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** I'll have to check again, but I believe when [[Caitlin]] was cleaning Peter up they called it "electricity". ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:14, 1 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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**** Confirmed. '''Caitlyn:''' ''"then an electrical short blew Turko on his arse."'' '''Peter:''' ''"the spark. I think it came from me...my hand."'' <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/1/2007 22:28 (EST)</small> |
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***** Hrm, you're right. Once again we have to go with whatever the characters call it, even if they might be wrong. I'm hoping when Elle comes along, they give her a different effect and Peter realizes he wasn't using shooting electricity, but instead energy. Until then, electromagnetism it is. --[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:23, 1 October 2007 (EDT) |
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****** Electromagnetism uses the flow of electrons to create magnetic fields. I don't think a burst of energy really fits with that. [[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 23:18, 2 October 2007 (EDT)OUChevelleSS |
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******* Any flow of electrons creates a magnetic field--that's a big issue with some homeowners who want to move due to the magnetic fields created by power lines. Anyways, a couple of us have already expressed hope that someone will ask about this power for the next CBR.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:29, 2 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== EMP vs. EMB == |
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* I thought Ted could use Electromagnetism, after all he did use an EMP during an escape, would not Peter have got the Electromagnetism from him? Kondor 15:54, 2 October 2007 (GMT) |
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** Yeah, I just noted on the episode talk page that is really a moot point. Whether he can shoot lightning bolts or pulses, it's still electromagnetism.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** EMPs are a side effect of nuclear explosions. The fact that Ted was a Nuclear Explosion waiting to happen it isn't surprising he could do an EMP, but an EMP is not the ability to shoot electricity out. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:23, 2 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** Right, but both are forms of electromagnetism and EMP's can be directional. Check out [http://www.projectviper.com/media/video/2-22_pulse-graphling.avi this video]. It's a cool clip from 1990's TV show ''Viper'', which had the ability to shoot an EM pulse to disable vehicles. Note the electrical shock effect on the boat when it hits and compare that to the ''Lizards'' clip. It's very similar.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:39, 2 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== Why he can't remember == |
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I guess it's possible that his mother Angela got hands on Peter before Nathan was able to find him. Eventually with the help of the Haitian she eradicated his mind for some reason. I guess the helix pendant is the Haitian's one. |
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* Maybe Peter's mother had nothing to do with it, and Peter fell out of the sky and landed near The Haitian, and after four months, there was some reason for Peter to have The Haitian wipe his memory and send him to Ireland in a crate of Ipods. Maybe The Haitian gave Peter his necklace as a clue to his past.--Blaze77 10:05, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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** I agree that the Haitian is probably involved in some way, because he did not have his necklace in "Lizards." However, I dont know if Peter was involved with him like you described... [[User:Dean Harper|Dean Harper]] 20:12, 2 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** Well, after almost destroying NYC, my theory is that his mom thought that it would be best if the Haitian erased his memory so he would forget how to use Ted's power. Only, it didn't work out as she expected...--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 21:18, 2 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* I wonder if his enhanced memory power will mean that Peter gets his memory back quickly on his own. I suppose it is a question that depends on whatever hurt his memory (being blown to pieces, or the Haitian). I would imagine the Haitian's power would overpower the enhanced memory.--[[User:Brianirwin|Brianirwin]] 16:40, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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Latest revision as of 15:03, 6 June 2011
Screwed Up
Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--Boycool42 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--Boycool42 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- I don't know. That whole bit (which I really dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)
- Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--Boycool42 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
EM Gone a Good Thing?
I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
- It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. Ruler 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
- Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used.
AltesUTC CH 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
- I agree with Ruler. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, why doesn't he just use this or that power? But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more:
- Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used.
1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop
2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit;
3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again;
4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time.
5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent. --ADAP7IVE 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)
- ...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--ADAP7IVE 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST
6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM : - Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore.
- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1.
- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise)
Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--Kleith 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT)
They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which he did), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! 
AltesUTC CH