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==Empathic Mimicry no more.==


Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST)
Peter's ability is no longer Empathic Mimicry, he now has to touch the holder of the power to copy their ability. -- Veeiro
*I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST)
:You forget that he took Nathan's flight in ''[[Dual]]'' without a problem. If it's confirmed he still has Flint's pyrokinesis, then yes, he still does have empathic mimicry. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:11, 2 February 2009 (EST)
**Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
::Unless he evolved his mimicry INTO power theft. Other heroes have been able to evolve their powers, like Parkman turned his telepathy into illusion casting and suggestion, so maybe touch theft is just an evolved form of mimicry. --[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 22:19, 2 February 2009 (EST)
***I don't know. That whole bit (which I '''really''' dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)
actually if you check correctly in dual peter touch nathan and THEN HE FLEW so i think he doesnt have empathic mimicry, now he has power theft and possibly doesn`t know how to use it right so right now he just has one power at a time user 007SNAKE 16:07,3 February 2009
****I have a question. Is it five years total or five years after Peter got there (totaling eight years)?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 07:22, 12 March 2010 (EST)
*****Hello? ''<small>Anyone there?</small>'' T.T--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:36, 14 March 2010 (EDT)


== EM Gone a Good Thing? ==
I think peter can only take 1 power at a time. When he was hanging on the net he could have let go and fly next to the plane and when he took mohinders power he got strong but then when he took tracys power freezing its seemed as though he got weaker the soldier beat him down but idk maybe he wasn't expecting it or he didn't want to leave the plane bu its most defirnetly power absorbtion...please my spelling is horrible bear with me xd --[[User:icykidd|icykidd]] 22:53, 2 February 2009 (EST)


I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
*It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. [[User:Ruler|Ruler]] 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
** Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
***I agree with [[User:Ruler|Ruler]]. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, ''why doesn't he just use this or that power?'' But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more:


1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop
- We DO SEE Peter unable to hit the soldier, just after taking tracy's power, so yeah he losts his power each time he takes another...


2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit;
The thing is : Why doesn't he take Mohinder's at the end ?


3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again;
[[Power absorption]] should not be listed as Peter's ability. When [[Arthur]] absorbed an ability, the original user lost it. We don't know if that's the same for Peter.[[User:Watchmaker|Watchmaker]] 03:31, 3 February 2009 (EST)


4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time.
* It seems likely since he was looking like Jason Bourne one second then couldn't even hit someone the next. I think we should wait until we have real proof though before we make it official here. [[User:Bloodbath|Bloodbath]] 06:19, 3 February 2009 (EST)


5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent.
* What I think is that Peter gained some sort of physical mimicry or something like that; that he has to touch someone to copy their power, like Rouge from X-men, except the life force absorbing part. --[[User:ExiledPrince|ExiledPrince]] 20:40, 5 February 2009 (EST)
--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)
*...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST


6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM :
- Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore.


- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1.
NOTE: Peter's ability could have been weakened by being under the effects of the drip. It was that drug which limits powers. Sylar has shown he can will his way through the drug, but Peter hasn't learned that yet, he still becomes incapacitated by it. It could be that his power was weakened (the most obvious conclusion) so he had to touch Mohinder to get his power instead of simply being in his presence. Super strength also doesn't mean Super healing and Super healing doesn't mean Super skin (The Haitian's brother). Someone with Super strength and healing could still be knocked out or stunned, but would just recover very quickly. They could use their super strength defensively if concentrating maybe. Perhaps he didn't pick up Mohinder's powers in the cab because he willed himself not to, it could be that he exerts control over his powers and when he absorbs powers or not. This could be the reason they showed Nathan asking him how many abilities he had, and Peter responding indignantly that he only had Flight (because he was not looking to acquire more). I'm not sure if he was able to pick up Claire's power again as well or not. He'll likely definitely get her power again in the next episode after the crash. I see no way they would make him only able to utilize or hold one ability at a time while Sylar is out there being his normal multipowered self. The complaints about Peter's character were that he was too powerful so they "fixed" that by getting rid of Hiro's power, now no one can time travel. That was always Peter's trump card over Sylar and everyone else.


- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise)
---[[User:Pete Petrelli|Pete Petrelli]] 00:45, 4 March 2009 (GMT)
The writers and Milo confirmed that Peter does in fact still have his Empathic Mimicry, however, over all the Chaos that has been going on, including the betrayal by his father and Nathan, he has lost touch with his empathy, and just like in Season 1, he will have to learn all over again how to get in touch with that.


Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--[[User:Kleith|Kleith]] 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT)
They said he lost touch with his empathy, unless they spell out he has his old ability back, he doesn't. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:55, 3 March 2009 (EST)


They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which [[Peter Petrelli (explosion future)|he]] [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|did]]), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! {{User:Altes/Signature}}
== Power absorption is speculative ==

I think it's still early to say he's got power absorption. We don't know that Mohinder or Tracy have lost their abilities, and to list them as having lost powers based on what we've seen so far is speculative. It could just be an evolution of his empathic mimicry, for all we know. It's late here, so I'll wait to revising stuff till tomorrow (and until other thoughts are presented). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 05:35, 3 February 2009 (EST)
* To keep consistent with the other pages (power absorption, various ones listing abilities etc), I reverted things. Since there is evidence that Peter lost Mohinder's ability when he gained Tracy's, I'm uncertain what to list as his power, so for the moment I went with last ability demonstrated. Any ideas on what to list until we know what's going on for sure (which will ohopefully be in an interview fairly soon)? --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 07:56, 3 February 2009 (EST)
What if it's just a side-effect of the suppression drug leaving his system, the absorbption effect reduced to physical contact? --[[User:Garthak|Garthak]] 09:51, 3 February 2009 (EST)
** There's also the issue of the formula. Which ability do we list as restored by the formula? To quote Arthur, this is "a thorny issue." [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Well, we don't see it clearly (it's in the episode) but we've seen the scene being shot in a Heroes Unmasked, we definitely see Peter hitting a soldier, but harming himself because he hit the helmet.
That proves he doesn't have super strength.

There can't be any real speculation on this can there? Seriously we saw the same light show that Arthur had when he used his power. And afterwards you saw how Tracy and Mohinder acted, like they were empty as Peter felt when his powers were taken. [[User:Horrorman|Horrorman]] 19:40, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I don't remember them looking empty or drained, but doesn't the fact that up until a very short time they were being drugged through those nasal shunt things play a big role on that? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:44, 3 February 2009 (EST)

True, that part of my argument was weak, but don't you recognize that the same light effect was like Arthur Petrelli's power? [[User:Horrorman|Horrorman]] 22:02, 3 February 2009 (EST)

*There're just too many unknowns at the moment. I think one of the most telling things that we can't be sure what is going on is how Peter seemed to lose Mohinder's power when he gained Tracy's. While it's possible that he's just not used to being able to steal powers (as opposed to absorb them), and thus has trouble accessing more than one at a time, that's speculative (escpecially since things like enhanced strength are mostly subconsiciously activated). We also didn't see either Mohinder or Tracy in pain (iirc) like we did when Arthur stole people's powers. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 22:09, 3 February 2009 (EST)
**@ Horrorman: True, the effect was similar, but we have a case of power that changed effects before. Remember that they changed the effect for Candice's illusion? It might be like that, the one thing that's making us go crazy is that is an effect that was already used for another power and that because of it the mechanics of his ability might have changed. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:01, 4 February 2009 (EST)

== Peter used Arthur's power ==
Arthur took the power permanently as in draining it from the evolved humans.
Peter sort of did that too but not completely. I think that Peter can temporarily take powers like Rogue from Marvel does.
Arthur knew immediately know to access the powers he took. Remember that Peter can only use his acquired powers by Empathic mimicry by the way he feels about the person.

Still, it doesn't make sense why he needed to suck a little of Mohinder if he knew him and why did he lose his flight power?

As a Heroes fan, I am disappointed about the new twist to his powers...I hope these new plot twists don't fuck up everything....
I like the fact that Peter learns some fucking humility, so far he proved to be drunk with power and a bit irresponsible. Don't you? --[[User:Discipol|Discipol]]
no --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 11:13, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Until it's shown that the evolved humans Peter supposedly took abilities from can no longer use their abilities, Peter should not be listed as having Arthur's power. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:59, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I have read that Peter's new ability is sort of like Empathic mimicry and Power absorption combined. Peter now needs to physically touch them to get their ability but it doesnt't mean they lose their ability.
'''
Physical Mimicry is my theory on Peter's new ability and possibly the most definite speculate we can use right now. - Arkillion'''


-what i think will happen is that ando will eventually have to supercharge peter so which may result to his mimic power getting back to normal

I don't think we should list Peter's ability. There's no other example of someone changing abilities, saying it's Peter's ability states that he no longer has empathic mimicry, which may or may not be true, saying he got those new abilities through unknown means is 100% correct and doesn't invalidate anything we already know about his ability history. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:36, 4 February 2009 (EST)

== Has there been any change to his assignment tracker page? ==

Cause that would really clear up any discrepancies.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 00:04, 4 February 2009 (EST)
* No. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:09, 4 February 2009 (EST)
* Will the assignment tracker even be updated anymore? The company "doesn't exist", at least not in the form it once was.--[[User:NovaX81|NovaX81]] 04:35, 4 February 2009 (EST)

== Flight ==

I matched the infobox to the current abilities for now, but it's speculation, imho, to say that flight was obtained by a different means than freezing and Mohinder's ability. Though we didn't see the absorption visual when Peter touched Nathan, we also didn't see him fly before touching his brother (I looked at it a few times, and he's charging, not flying, from my POV). Realistically, we shouldn't assume that Peter has gained flight and some sort of power absorption/mimicry separately from one dose of the formula, as there's no indication that it gives someone more than one power. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 06:07, 4 February 2009 (EST)
* It was changed back, and I'll leave it, content to lodge my protest here for the moment. ;) --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 07:56, 4 February 2009 (EST)

*I just changed it back, cause we don't know for sure whether he used the same power absorbing ability on [[Nathan]]. Also, it makes more sense for him to have absorbed Nathan's ability than to have been given [[flight]] and an absorption ability.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 08:25, 4 February 2009 (EST)

== Was Peter using drugs? ==

I heard this mentioned and want to know whether or not he was on some form of narcotics.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 03:12, 5 February 2009 (EST)
*...What? o_O; <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:59, 12 February 2009 (EST)
**I think he means if the nasal shunt was drugging Peter or something like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:18, 13 February 2009 (EST)
No I thought that somewhere it was mentioned that Peter was using during ACAPD. Doesn't matter.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 04:25, 18 February 2009 (EST)

== Should we update the infobox template to add a new row called "original ability" ==
Placing it above the existing "known abilities" row like:<br>
'''original ability:''' [[empathic mimicry]]<br>
'''known abilities:''' [[Peter's ability]]
<br><small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 02/6/2009 17:20 (EST)</small>
* Looking through the history for Peter's page, it looks like there has been some editing back and forth to remove that line. I'm not sure why. We should absolutely list is original ability of [[empathic mimicry]]. I'll take care of it now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:27, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Only in this page, it makes no sense to change the entire template if only one character is powered but no longer has their original ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:31, 6 February 2009 (EST)
* However, if another previously powered character (say Hiro, for example) somehow is granted a new ability, I'd be very inclined to make a new field for "original ability". But you're right--as it stands now, I think we're fine just adding a line break or two to the ability field. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:46, 6 February 2009 (EST)
* Are the "original ability" and "current ability" headings really necessary? It's noted that EM was lost, so it's not like there would be any confusion. I know this is a small thing...I just think the infobox would look better without them. --[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 18:34, 6 February 2009 (EST)
** No. We can also simplify things by changing "Current replicated ability: Flight" to "Flight (replicated)" now that it isn't really a list. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)

== Whoa, that makes hole ==

I just watched the scene in Dual where Peter leaps across the fire and flies Nathan out of Pinehearst. Now I watched it in slow motion and if you look carefully, he flies before touching Nathan, and flies immediately after injecting himself with the formula. He manifests Empathic mimicry and flies straight into Nathan, it's not a leap! After he flies into Nathan he continues straight and out of the building. But my point is, this is an example of empathic mimicry, showing that his original ability is still in there, but he is demonstrating it in a different form currently.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 10:56, 8 February 2009 (EST)

It still could have been a leap, Ando jumped pretty high when Arthur was wiping Hiro's memory. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:26, 8 February 2009 (EST)
* It looks to me very much like Peter ran across the room. And since we know that he can't gain Nathan's ability without touching him, we know that he couldn't have flown until he made physical contact with his brother. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:38, 8 February 2009 (EST)

== Ability Listing ==

I don't think that [[Empathic mimicry]] should not be listed under Peter's picture. He does not have this ability anymore. All that should be listed there is [[Ability replication]] and his current ability. --[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]] 16:58 11 December, 2009
* It's also pretty explicit that that was his original ability and that he's lost it. I think it should be in the infobox as much as [[poison emission]] should be in [[Maya]]'s infobox. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:01, 11 February 2009 (EST)
** Agreed. Although, I don't think we should list ever ability he replicates, only his current one, which would be "Flight". --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 22:02, 12 February 2009 (EST)
*** I'll second that. If we're not listing similar things on Sylar's page (abilities he's had and lost) we shouldn't here either. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 12:24, 13 February 2009 (EST)

== Peter still has EM... ==

'''Proof''' BTE Question-I'd just like some clarification regarding Peter's ability. When he injected himself with the formula, he appeared to absorb Nathan's ability the way he used to do with Empathic Mimicry and then took off, grabbing Nathan in the process but now he needs to physically touch people to absorb their ability. Was that intended or was it just a little hiccup on the writers’ part? Answer-No hiccup. This is all just an expansion of Peter’s powers to absorb them on at a time. It’s going to take some time for him to get used to them.--[[User:Future21|Future21]] 10:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
* Im very happy to hear this as i loved Peter's EM power, but does this mean he regained all his abilities or just EM when he injected himself?--[[User:Giveitdeath|Giveitdeath]] 10:55, 19 February 2009 (EST)
* Actually, that's proof that Peter ''doesn't'' have empathic mimicry anymore. The question (which is incredibly assumptive in its wording that Peter appears to use empathic mimicry) asks if the scene was a "hiccup" or mistake. The writers said that this was not a mistake. In other words, Peter absorbed Nathan's ability, and that was intentional. Then the writers go on to clarify that the ''Powerless'' scene in question is an expansion of Peter's new ability. They are very specific in saying that he only absorbs one ability at a time....Not only is the latest BTE ''not'' any kind of proof that Peter has empathic mimicry, it can actually be read as proof that he ''doesn't'' have his old ability anymore. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:34, 19 February 2009 (EST)
* It seems like he absorbed flight with EM but can only hold on too one ability at time either by EM or touch as they said "It’s going to take some time for him to get used to them"--[[User:Future21|Future21]] 11:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
** It's been confirmed by producers that Peter has a new ability. [[Talk:Ability replication#Still Empathic Mimicry?|See here]] for more info. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:20, 19 February 2009 (EST)

== Abilities exposed to ==

What is the point of having Abilities exposed to under Peter's article? Sylar doesn't have an Abilities exposed to for the people he was near and could have killed. so why would we need it for peter?--[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]]
* Unlike Sylar, Peter automatically absorbs the abilities he's exposed to. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 17:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
**So. He didn't absorb them. so what's the point?
***The point is listing all the abilities Peter has, even the ones he never used. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 19:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
****If he never used them, doesn't that mean he never absorbed them?
*****No. Peter absorbed all of Sylar's abilities in Homecoming (the writers confirmed this), but didn't use any until Unexpected. He absorbed phasing in How to Stop an Exploding Man, but didn't use it until Four Months Ago. He absorbed electric manipulation in Four Months Ago, but didn't use it until Four Months Later. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 20:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
****** Precisely, Josh. I believe there was a BTE that kind of sparked this whole idea when the writers said that Peter was near Eden, and may have absorbed her ability, but it was unconfirmed one way or another. So, if memory serves correctly, we started archiving abilities Peter was exposed to but hadn't yet used. In fact, Peter used to absorb abilities and he wouldn't realize he had them himself! He healed himself without realizing he could (''[[Homecoming]]'') and he telekinetically fought Claude before knowing he even had the power (''[[Unexpected]]''). Now that Peter has lost [[empathic mimicry]], the list is somewhat moot, but it's a great archive and should remain. If we ever get another episode or graphic novel that goes back in time a bit (there seem to be a couple every season, and this volume is no exception), it'll be nice to know to which abilities Peter was exposed and to which he may have access. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
*******Fine.--[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]]

== scar ==

*with his new ability peter can now get his scar , because he could get wile replicating another ability --[[User:Cj31094|Cj31094]] 23:29, 23 February 2009 (EST)
** Remember, too, that Peter has only had a scar in alternate futures. Those futures no longer exist. However, according to the [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20148 latest BTE], I believe the writers still plan to give him a scar. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:40, 25 February 2009 (EST)
*his scar has apeared in every alternative future , so he will get it no mater what --[[User:Cj31094|Cj31094]]
** There have been three major alternate futures we've seen. Peter had the scar in two of them, and in one of them he was dead. But I don't know if that's a guarantee that he will get the scar. For instance, Matt was a douche in one future, and Suzy Homemaker in another. Claire was dark and mousy in one, and dark and bad ass in another. Hiro was rockin' the Ninja style in one, and looked like a regular office drone in another. I'm not so sure that we know what's going to happen in the future....but it'll be interesting to find out! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:19, 25 February 2009 (EST)
*i am only saying that he can now have his scar in any moment--[[User:Cj31094|Cj31094]] 21:16, 1 March 2009 (EST)

== Infobox inconsistency ==

Why do we only list some of Peter's lost acquired powers (the ones replicated with his new ability) on his infobox? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:25, 25 February 2009 (EST)
* [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Peter_Petrelli&oldid=287679 Right now], we list Peter's one lost ability ([[empathic mimicry]]) and his current ability ([[ability replication]]). Under his current ability, we also list the abilities we know he's replicated ([[flight]], [[enhanced strength]], and [[freezing]]) as well as the one he currently has ([[flight]]). We don't list any of the old abilities he has mimicked (like [[precognition]], [[phasing]], [[telekinesis]], etc.). -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:31, 25 February 2009 (EST)
** That's the inconsistency, but why do we have it? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:45, 25 February 2009 (EST)
*** Because then we would have this huge list of powers. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 18:59, 25 February 2009 (EST)
**** Right. We don't need to list every power Peter has ever duplicated in his infobox. Just the current stuff is enough. The old ones are all archived at [[Peter Petrelli#Abilities Mimicked]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:13, 25 February 2009 (EST)
***** Cause they stemmed from his original ability, and since that's lost, so are the 15 abilities he copied with them (actually 13 since he replicated two of those with the new ability). We list the ones he got with the new ability cause they stem from a different source. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:16, 25 February 2009 (EST)

== "Passionate One" ==

Any reason to include the quote from [[Danko]] in [[Episode:Cold Wars|Cold Wars]]: "Peter, right? You're the good brother, the passionate one" ? I think it speaks to his character... --[[User:Spellingbee|<span style="color:indigo">SpellingBee</span>]][[User talk:Spellingbee|<span style="color:blue"><sup>~Talk to me!~</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spellingbee|<span style="color:green"><sub>~Contribs~</sub></span>]] 19:54, 25 February 2009 (EST)
* I think that's a good quote for the page. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:20, 25 February 2009 (EST)
** Added it. --[[User:Spellingbee|<span style="color:indigo">SpellingBee</span>]][[User talk:Spellingbee|<span style="color:blue"><sup>~Talk to me!~</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spellingbee|<span style="color:green"><sub>~Contribs~</sub></span>]] 22:55, 25 February 2009 (EST)

== Just wondering how you guys felt ==

Which Peter do you prefer? The old light-hearted, emotional Peter? Or the new hardened, do what it takes Peter?--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 05:21, 27 February 2009 (EST)
:I like both, but I do prefer the new one. The old one was too much of a "[[wikipedia:Mary Sue|Mary Sue]]" for my liking. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 07:45, 27 February 2009 (EST)
::The new one. While both have brains, only the new one uses it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:15, 27 February 2009 (EST)
:::The new one. I miss his [[Empathic mimicry|old powers]], but he seemed to turn off his brains when he had them.--[[User:Cro Magnon|Cro Magnon]] 12:24, 27 February 2009 (EST)
::::I agree with all you guys, the new Peter rocks. The new Peter uses his brain, for example, in "Cold Wars", he was at a dead end in HRG's room of guns with the masked guys coming to capture him. He just threw a canister and off he flew. The old Peter would probably rely on all his powers. He would most probably TK the door open, shoot electricity, and get himself tasered. I prefer old Peter's power (minicry), but I love the new Peter who is smarter and put his power to good use. --[[User:JLYK|JLYK]] 20:37, 3 March 2009 (EST)
:::::the new one. I have too agree with the above. the old peter was so powerfull, that he could be really stupid at times. the new one however has to rely on thinking. -- [[User:tsmarg|tsmarg]] 11:55, 9 March 2009 (EST)

==Poison Emission==

Should we put that Peter was exposed to [[Poison emission]] from [[Arthur Petrelli]] even though he didn't have time to use it as his abilities were stolen straight after. -- [[User:Monroej|Monroej]] 18:16, 16 March 2009
* Arthur gained poison emission in the next episode. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 14:41, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
*Oh sorry. -- [[User:Monroej|Monroej]] 18:16, 19 March 2009

==Magnetism==

Should we put that Peter was exposed to [[magnetism]] from [[The German]] while he was in [[Jesse Murphy]]'s body.
*Nope, he can't access his ability while stuck on someone else, so he wasn't exposed to anything. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:35, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
** What about Knox's power? When Future Peter expelled Peter from Jesse, Peter absorbed Flint's ability. He was exposed to Knox's fear conversion into enhanced strength too.--[[User:Altes|Altes]] 13:52, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
*** We [[Talk:Enhanced strength|have to]] treat Knox's enhanced strength and Niki's super strength as the same ability. Peter already had Niki's ability when he was exposed to Knox's. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 14:14, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
**** You do understand that Knox's ability wasn't just enhanced strength. Although assignment tracker describes it as ES, it's more than that.--[[User:Altes|Altes]] 10:20, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Abilities mimicked ==

For the abilities mimicked under peter's page and abilities acquired on sylar and arthur's pages, how does anyone feel if we changed all that in to boxes/chart form. sort of like [[User:Catalyst/Active & Passive Abilities|this example here]] on a page i created. to me it will look more, cleaned up.

Here is an example for peter of what i am talking about.

{|border="1"
!Abilitiy!!Source!!First Mimicked
|-valign="top"
|
[[Precognitive dreaming]]
|
[[Angela Petrelli]]
|
[[Episode:Genesis|Genesis]]
|-valign="top"
|
[[Flight]]
|
[[Nathan Petrelli]]
|
[[Episode:Genesis|Genesis]]
|}

Look how neat.

Tell me what you think.--[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]]
*That looks pretty cool... I wouldn't mind it. Just one thing; we could just use a Wikitable like this:
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|- border="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
!width="30%"|Ability
!width="25%"|Source
!width="25%"|First mimicked
|-
|[[Precognitive dreaming]] || [[Angela Petrelli]] || [[Episode:Genesis|Genesis]]
|-
|[[Flight]] || [[Nathan Petrelli]] || [[Episode:Genesis|Genesis]]
|}
{{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 00:10, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

oh yeah, that's fine. lets go with that. But we would use it with all the people who have acquired powers right?

Latest revision as of 15:03, 6 June 2011

Screwed Up

Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--Boycool42 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST)

  • I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST)
    • Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--Boycool42 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
      • I don't know. That whole bit (which I really dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)
        • I have a question. Is it five years total or five years after Peter got there (totaling eight years)?--Boycool42 07:22, 12 March 2010 (EST)
          • Hello? Anyone there? T.T--Boycool42 21:36, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

EM Gone a Good Thing?

I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

  • It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. Ruler 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
    • Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used. AltesUTC CH 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
      • I agree with Ruler. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, why doesn't he just use this or that power? But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more:

1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop

2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit;

3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again;

4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time.

5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent. --ADAP7IVE 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)

  • ...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--ADAP7IVE 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST

6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM : - Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore.

- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1.

- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise)

Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--Kleith 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which he did), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! AltesUTC CH

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