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Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST)
== empath? ==
*I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST)
Didn't Edgar call Peter an empath? Does this mean something?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 23:20, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
**Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
* Maybe, but I think that Pete's always has been known to be an empathic character. That's just my guess. --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 01:07, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
***I don't know. That whole bit (which I '''really''' dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)
This could mean that the ability is empathy but the means of absorbing the power differ through job etc Peter saves one life at a time he can only absorb one ability at a time. -[[User:Yippee ki ya|Yippee ki ya]] 03:15, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
****I have a question. Is it five years total or five years after Peter got there (totaling eight years)?--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 07:22, 12 March 2010 (EST)
* I agree, in part. The reference could be to the nature of his core ability, or it could be foreshadowing the episodes of the upcoming season. Nothing more tantalizing to us fan boys than for the writers to name-drop an ability we are all hoping will pop up again.[[User:Fourletterfame|Fourletterfame]] 08:19, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
*****Hello? ''<small>Anyone there?</small>'' T.T--[[User:Boycool42|Boycool42]] 21:36, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
** You know what I think? Have this in your mind first: Peter absorbed Edgar's super speed without touching him, he only touched his knife. I think, Peter's ability of Replication just evolved to Empathic mimicry (much like Tracy's and Matt's abilities evolved allowing them to do more things) but the writers aren't saying that literally just yet so we don't get our hopes up xD. {{user:Meteoritu/sig}} 20:53, September 23rd 2009
***Just because we didn't see it, it doesn't mean he didn't touch him, he could have very well done it when he picked Edgar up to throw him. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:07, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
****We didn't see Peter take shape shifting either (I know the door was shut, but still).--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 16:51, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
***** I got two shots first one is a bit blurry but both show Peter's hand on Edgar's sleeve.[http://heroeswiki.com/images/b/bd/Hand_close_up.png Here] [http://heroeswiki.com/images/a/a7/Hand.png Here]-[[User:Yippee ki ya|Yippee ki ya]] 14:32, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
****** I already noticed the second image shown above. That's where he gained Edgar's power. --09:04, 28 September 2009 (EDT)</span>
******* Meteoritu however thought Peter only touched Edgar's knife so it was for his benefit -[[User:Yippee ki ya|Yippee ki ya]] 14:32, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
I think Matt junior's activation power could activate peters intuitive aptitude aspect as empathetic mimicry as his present power is a mere shadow of its former self.Then again maybe peter has retained the same ability but just lacks a fundamental intuitiveness, the aptitude and reslove, to activate it.He's lost his way so to speak and witout the premise of empthay in sight he franticaly tries to save peoples lives 1 at a time maybe he should push himself to the edge to find himself again... empthaty mimicry is substansive aspect of his chacracter not his power its this that allows him to absorb and retain them but empthay alone isnt the the super ability.. he still has that.. its inherant to him and him alone, all he needs to do is find that which matters most instead of filling the void with saving random peoples lifes ... comon peter your not a one trick pony ! become who you were born to be..


== EM Gone a Good Thing? ==
== Mohinder's Ability ==


I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
At the start of Orientation Peter has Mohinder's ability, so the Abilities Replicated section should show Mohinder's Ability in between Shape Shifting and super speed. This is confirmed by dialouge Peter says to Noah " in my job it helps to be strong and agile, thank you Dr. Suresh. It's a pretty convienent power." I'm going to make the change based on that evidence. --[[User:D Toccs|D Toccs]] 05:43, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
*It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. [[User:Ruler|Ruler]] 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
* The question is, which one of Mohinder's abilities did Peter refer to? [[Mohinder's ability|The old one]] or [[Enhanced strength|the current one]]? The old one no longer exists, and the current one has been already replicated by Peter once in [[A Clear and Present Danger]] and is listed. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
** Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
* So it's a continuity error on the part of the writers, but Peter clearly was jumping high and ripping car doors off there hinges before meeting Edgar. That is not shape shifting and he says in dialouge he got the ability from Mohinder so we should be listing it as the article is inaccurate. --[[User:D Toccs|D Toccs]] 05:55, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
***I agree with [[User:Ruler|Ruler]]. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, ''why doesn't he just use this or that power?'' But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more:
** It may be possible that Mohinder kept the jumping aspect of his ability after being cured with the formula, since it's related to strength, not that sticky goo. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
*** The point is that in Orientation Peter clearly has a different power than shape shifting. We have a canon source that says he got the power from Mohinder so it should be added to the abilities replicated page section. That is my point. This should also be be discussed at Mohinder's page as to the extent of his curent abilities. --[[User:D Toccs|D Toccs]] 06:04, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
**** Yes, I agree with that. The only thing - it cannot be Mohinder's old ability... unless Peter time traveled. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***** Agreed, I see it as a continuity error of the writers. I guess that means that Mohinder also still has the agility and jumping aspects of his ability. Personally him being left with only strenght never sat well with me. --[[User:D Toccs|D Toccs]] 06:10, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
****** Though he looks more like he's coordinating his jumps than he's being agile. For me fast and agile is how he got after Edgar. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:35, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
****** When Mohinder possessed his old ability he developed scales on his skin and web from his fingers, which Peter did not, indicating that Peter only replicated his repaired ability of enhanced strength. [[User:EvilMaldini|EvilMaldini]] - 23:58, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
******* Also Peter didn't show aversion to light, nor he drank litres of chocolate milk, nor he climbed walls, nor he seduced women. It's just strength and agility. {{User:Altes/Signature}}


1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop
== When did Peter learn to fight? ==


2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit;
Before now, Peter hadn't really shown any fighting skill, but now he holds his own against a guy who seems like an expert knife-fighter?--[[User:Cro Magnon|Cro Magnon]] 14:22, 22 September 2009 (EDT)


3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again;
Could be that Peter was faster than Edgar which means it would be easier to block, like fighting someone who's in slow motion to you. -[[User:Yippee ki ya|Yippee ki ya]] 14:43, 22 September 2009 (EDT)


4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time.
== Paramedic ==


5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent.
I know Peter still wants to help people, but lately, it seems like that is '''''all''''' he wants to do. (His apartment/newspaper headings). And he is kind of obsessed with gaining new abilities to help him. It just doesn't seem natural and not like the peter that tried to help, but still had a life.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 21:31, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)
*I think of it like that he doesn't want his life. He doesn't want to be a part of his life because of his sinful family.. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 21:46, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
*...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--[[User:ADAP7IVE|ADAP7IVE]] 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST
==Power==
Now, I think he has acquired intuitive aptitude. He seems to know how to use his repliated abilities when he gets them. Though, he wants to save them. This might sound funny, but his power kind of sounds like it would be Intuitive empathy. Having a sort of need to help people and wants anything (meaning powers) to help him with that--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 22:55, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
*Peter's new ability always gave him equal control to the person he took it from. For example, when he breaks into Building 26 with Matt, he's able to do everything Matt could do with his telepathy. The exception would be Tracy when he froze Flight 195, but we already know that was when he accidentally took the ability. Peter's always been innately empathic, it's why he made such a good nurse, but that's not an ability per se.I certainly wouldn't say he has IA, because he's shown no signs of the hunger, can only use one ability at a time (and thus can't hold IA and Super Speed), and can't determine how systems work.[[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 05:05, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
** Yeah, and you don't need to have IA to want more powers. Who wouldn't? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***I think the amount of control peter has over his own ability, affects the amount he can control others. Right now he has nearly mastered his ability replication, so he is able to master abilities he takes in a matter of seconds. It would make sense.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 19:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
So are you saying that Peter can keep and recall abilities back.[[User:50000JH/signature]]
****No, I think he's saying that because peter can control his ability at a certain level (say 78%) he has the same amount of control over any ability he copies, but only one at a time. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 14:14, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
*****That's exactly what I was saying[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 18:34, 12 October 2009 (EDT)


6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM :
== Terrakinesis? ==
- Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore.


- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1.
It should be noted that after Samuel met up with Peter (and shook his hand), not only did Peter not use [[super speed]] anymore, but the tattoo on his arm moved. Now, this could just be Samuel screwing with him, but it could just as easily be that Samuel managed to get Peter to accidentally take his power, while giving him just enough ink to have it "activate" like that. Food for thought over the next week. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 13:42, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
*It was very clear for me that the tattoo moving was Samuel's doing. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
**The only thing we don't know is, was it because samuel was present within a cartain radius of peter or was he controlling it using his ability. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 14:30, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
***The tattoo moved and Peter noticed it only after Samuel noticed Peter was there. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:55, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
****I watched that part again, and peter notices something on his arm as they're walking to the scene (before they actually show the tatoo). When the compass tatoo starts spinning on Peter's arm, Samuel doesn't look like he is controlling it, but simply watching. It's also the same tatoo that Samuel shows Hiro in the first episode, which implies to me that Peter has Samuel's power now.[[User:Benlinus|benlinus]]
*****Nothing points against Samuel being able to control his ability without moving, as far as I'm concerned, he was controlling it remotely. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:39, 2 October 2009 (EDT)


- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise)
== Flint, or Meredith? ==


Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--[[User:Kleith|Kleith]] 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT)
So I just noticed that in the list of Peter's previous [[empathic mimicry]] abilities (Before Arthur), his ability to use fire is credited to [[Flint]]. Now I'm having a twitch of trouble remembering when Peter and [[Meredith]] were ever close, but whose to say that they weren't? Meredith's flames are orange, while Flint's are blue. When Peter uses his fire, his is orange as well, and when in the alternate future of the first season, a future that wouldn't have seen Flint escape (He would have been killed for being a 'terrorist), Peter is again seen with orange flaming hands. As we've seen, even when the future changes, small stuff still comes true. Nathan still became a powerful politician, Daphne still got killed, Sylar still ended up playing Nathan's life. Maybe Peter ''still'' got his fire power from Meredith.--[[User:Kooliki|Kooliki]] 00:39, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
* I don't believe Peter and Meredith were ever close--or have even met each other--that we've seen onscreen or in a graphic novel. [[Peter Petrelli (explosion future)|The first future Peter]] (from Season One) definitely got pyrokinesis from Meredith--that was [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17061 confirmed in an interview] with writer-producers [[Joe Pokaski]] and [[Aron Coleite]]. But this current Peter got his pyrokinesis from Flint. He used it in ''[[I Am Become Death]]'', but he got it from Flint in the episode before, ''[[One of Us, One of Them]]'', when Peter comes out of Jesse Murphy's body and encounters Flint at [[First Federal Bank of New York|the bank]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:59, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
** Alright. Well then is it safe to assume that Flint Gordon's fire is blue simply because he's honed his pyrokinesis to such a degree that he can increase the heat of his flame?--[[User:Kooliki|Kooliki]] 01:11, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
*** Probably. Either that, or that ability manifests itself differently in different people. But probably because he's worked on increasing the heat in his flames, as we read in ''[[Playing with Fire]]''. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:51, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
**** I think it stated somewhere that Flint fire was blue because he manipulate it to be hotter then his sister. I don't remember Peter holding a blue flame but as for Sylar, yes his flame was blue.. probably because of his original ability which is intuitive aptitude. Yes, I believe Peter got his pyrokinesis from flint. I think it was the bank scene? The reason his flame is orange is because he don't know how to manipulate his fire to be the same level of those to Flint's.[[User:Sei relo|Sei relo]]
***** In a GN showing Meredith and Flint's past, he says he worked to make it extra hot. Peter used blue flames in [[I Am Become Death]] when he went to Costa Verde see Sylar. Sylar never had pyrokinesis, the only thing blue he ever had in his hand was a freezing ability, which he lost to the Shanti virus, and electric manipulation, which he still has, nothing to do with intuitive aptitude. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:02, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
****** Hmm.. well, I thought I've seen Sylar with pyrokinesis... because I rememebered a future scene where he fought with Peter. Peter was orange and Sylar was blue.. I'm not sure.. can't really seem to remember... [[User:Sei relo|Sei relo]]
******* That was the freezing ability he took from Molly's father, which he lost to the Shanti virus. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:04, 15 October 2009 (EDT)


They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which [[Peter Petrelli (explosion future)|he]] [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|did]]), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! {{User:Altes/Signature}}
== Funny Thing ==
I thought it was really funny when Peter tried running and was like WTF when he absorbed Emma's power, I think this season is getting better and better by the episodes--[[User:Skyeatsout|Skyeatsout]] 22:44, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
* Same thing was with Volume Four, I remember everyone saying each episode is better than the previous one =) {{User:Altes/Signature}}
** Agree and agree. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:38, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

*** Funny ? I'm not talking about what the result was (a good thing) but come on. Peter doesn't even realize he absorbed her power ???? Do you even realize what this means ?
His power is even worst than empathic mimicry. The fact that he couldn't use superspeed against his will just made me mad. It didn't made me laugh at all.
He has the worst ability of the show, you guys are ok with it, cool, I'm not.

* I, personally, think Emma's ability would be amazing to have! You'd never be bored, the world would be colorful and bright! And hey, didn't you see what she did when she was frustrated at the end of the episode. It seems like an awesome ability. --[[User:Scorvi12|Scorvi12]] 08:05, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
** I don't complain about Peter having Emma's power (while it's true, he touched dozen of "specials" and never got their powers but...), I complain about Peter's power's crapiness.
Emma's power is cool ? Great. Then Peter will just touch somebody randomly and lost it. That's why I complain. He can't choose anything, otherwise he would have felt Nathan had Sylar powers, he can't control it since he wasn't aware he changed his power... And having only one at time just make things worst. It's completely random now and that just bloody sucks. And don't even pretend that's because he was "in shock" after saving Emma, since he went through a lot worse in volume 4 and still kept the crappy flight ability while he touched a lot of special persons.
*Well now at least it solves the debate over whether or not Peter can hold on to multiple abilities. But i think, just like the other characters, his emotions caught up with him and took over (just like tracy in the previous episode) even though he is in control. It was kind of obvious since they focused specifically on his hand on her elbow, although i'm disappointed by the lack of visual demonstration. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 08:55, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
* I'm annoyed at the inconsistency in his ability to acquire another special's ability. When fighting Sylar, Peter can seemingly pick and choose which of Sylar's many abilities he wants. When fighting Edgar, Peter deliberately acquires Edgar's ability with perfect control and timing. However, when touching Nathan/Sylar, he senses nothing despite Nathan/Sylar demonstrating TK. When hugging Claire at HRG's apartment, he does not absorb her regeneration and lose his speed. When shaking Samuel's hand, he (apparently) does not acquire Samuel's ability (though because of the compass tattoo this is still somewhat vague), but Peter certainly doesn't lose speed. When holding his mother's hand in Hysterical Blindness, he does not acquire her ability. So, why does he absorb Emma's? The writers made a big deal this episode about Peter trying to "reconnect" with people - lets hope they are going somewhere with this. I HATE IT when comic book writers de-power heroes. It never works for long - the fans get annoyed, and the writers always revert the character to their former power. I am running out of patience with this show. The same goes for Hiro. The biggest disappointment for me is that the writers offered glimpses of the true potential of both Hiro and Peter through their future selves. Unfortunately, we get lumped with these current handicapped versions in a bad teen soap opera. -- Stang.

== An Empath again? ==

I have noticed a a couple things.
*1.) There is no light transfer when he replicates an ability.
** Its probably a decision to be deliberately vague about Peter taking a power, so people like us speculate. Or perhaps its just budget cuts. --[[User:Stang|Stang]] 20:18, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
** Or his power have already evolved a bit [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 20:19, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
** Evolved? Wishful thinking. Its gone backwards. Still one power at a time, and he doesn't even have perfect control of when he chooses to take an ability, as witnessed with Emma. Until its made perfectly clear that Peter can have more than one power at a time, or that he can replicate an ability without touch, there is no evidence of any evolution of his ability. For the time being, we are stuck with handicapped Peter.--[[User:Stang|Stang]] 20:30, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
*2.) He may be losing control of his ability (replicating [[enhanced synesthesia]])
*3.) The writers aren't making his ability usage clear this season ([[Edgar]] and now [[Emma]])
So I'm thinking, maybe he still only holds on to one ability, but who he touches with an ability, he passively gets it. And maybe the reason why this is happening all of a sudden, is because he is back to helping people. In [[Fugitives]], he was focused on saving his own life, but now he is back to ''really dedicated'' life saving. Thoughts?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 16:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
-Agreed I think we will see his old power coming back, well i hope so at least like his Father's but doesn't take it just copys it and keeps it--[[User:Skyeatsout|Skyeatsout]] 16:55, 13 October 2009 (EDT).
* If Peter absorbs abilities passively, but still retains only one, that would be really lame. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
*I've got a question on Peter original ability and the abilities he have. First off, we all know that his emphatic mimicry ability was taken away and he got a new ability which is ability replication. On Peter character pages, it is stated that his emphatic mimicry ability is lost. This brought me to a question. I thought he regained his emphatic mimicry ability? The fight with Sylar? Did he? [[User:Sei relo|Sei relo]]
** First of all, Sylar doesn't have empathic mimicry, his ability is just intuitive aptitude. We don't know how many of Sylar's powers Peter took, but most likely one - shape shifting, because he couldn't regenerate after the fight with Sylar and later at his cremation, and it's unlikely he would discard all of Sylar's powers in Mohinder's enhanced strength's favor. So Peter's ability is still ability replication, but it seems it's developing. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
* Also, regarding he could be a better user at other people ability when copied, is it because of Sylar intuitive aptitude ability which he might have copied from Sylar when he 'regained' his emphatic mimicry ability from Sylar? Since Peter triumph over Edgar fighting with the super speed ability. I mean Edgar have that ability for how long and Peter just got it and Peter uses it better.. anyone care to share their thought with me?[[User:Sei relo|Sei relo]]
** No, when peter absorbs a power, he usually knows how to use it and can use it at a higher level then people with the ability, this is not linked to sylars IA, Peters abilitie just works like that [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 02:29, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
** Peter had super speed in Volume Three, before it was taken away by Arthur. He didn't use it much, but that could count as an experience. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
**I assume Peter's replicated abilities give him control equal to the person he replicated it from. For example, when breaking into Building 26 Peter was able to do everything Matt could do (such as giving telepathic commands). With Edgar, I think he was equally fast and could just fight better then he did. His superiority may be due to what Altes says, that he is familiar with the power from his experiences with Daphne.[[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 07:48, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

== Reconnecting ==
Lets hope peter is reconnecting with people in this volume.
and i also believe like other people, that his ability is evolving again, it could be that he got the empathic aspect of his power back.
Taking a power without touching people, but this isn't proven yet, since he touched everyone for their powers now.
and the reason he took the power of Emma, could be of his emotion being high atm, cause afterall she was almos hit by a bus.
but all of this isn't proven yet.
But i love to see him getting his old power back.
And now something farfetched :p he will borrow hiro's powers , go back in time get his old power back or something :p or he just will have his old EM agian :D [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 19:44, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
* His emotions were MUCH HIGHER in volume 4, in several moments, and nothing happened.<br>1) At the beginning of V4, HE WAS SAVING LIVES ! Sylar is killing everyone but is considered empath ?! Peter was always connected to Claire, but he never got his power...<br>2) His future selves were so totally not empathic, but still had plenty of powers.<br>It was just an excuse for the writers. Now that he connected to people, his power evolved. In the worst way possible, it now has all empathic mimicry problems (he can't control it, he loses powers, he takes powers without even noticing it, so literraly against his will...) BUT STILL HAS THE LIMITATION OF ABILITY REPLICATION. So what the hell is that lame power ? I mean it's like the lamest thing they've done on the season so far. At least if he could pick abilities without touching but still one at the time, he could be equally powerful as the others, while matching Sylar (changing constantly his powers by picking one on him...). But No, their great idea was to make the power even more crappier. As if it was not enough.<br>It's been since episode 3x06 that we're waiting for Peter to get his powers back. And ability replication is not what we can call "powers". Let's sum up : <br>3x01 - 3x04, he was in jessie's body, had only sound manipulation. Then for one episode he's awesome. Then he's in the coma. Then Arthur stole all of his powers. For half of the volume he is powerless. Then for volume 4, he got flight THE WHOLE VOLUME ! (And telepathy...) While only appearing in 6/12 episodes of the volume ! (I don't count the 2 seconds he appeared at the end of some episodes) So now what, they said to themselves that it would be cool to see Peter struggle with his powers, like season 1 ? Like when he couln't fly and fell to the ground, that was "fun". We have to speculate now. Yeah, but in the worst possible way. We don't speculate as we used to, now it's just because we don't know how much crappy it is. Not because we like it. So seriously, I don't know what they're waiting for. There seem to have NO possible evolution to this power since they don't want him to get more than one power. So he will just be as lame for the whole volume ? Come on, I'm still watching the show mainly for Peter, it's getting very annoying that, they even pretend that is power is perfectly OK and that even Peter is OK with it, as if this bloody downgrade was just a minor thing... Even Samuel thinks Peter is lame, since he chose Sylar... While Peter did show empathy toward him, so I don't think the writers even consider his crappy power as a problem. It's hopeless.

* First of all, the reason perhaps took sylar was because he saw the image on lydia's back and knowing it would be easier to make sylar evil then peter, Peter wouldn't help Samuel if he knows his intentions, also his powers are fine, if their gonne evolve at some part. <BR>Peter has always been a good character, and you can't compare them emotions he have for emma to the ones he had for claire, also he din't meet claire that often after he got his new power, it was to soon fr his powers to evolve at that point.<br>He wasn't the peter back then trying to reconnect to people, He only tried to reconnect in the latest episode, and peters current ablity isn't lame, it will develop into something better in time, its all about the way he needs to have his emotions(empathy) back into his way of life, he could be become the old peter we knew who was empathic with people.<br>We shall find out in next episodes [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 14:58, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

**I for one am fine with Peter the way he is. From a storytelling point of view, EM is a horrifically busted power. If Peter were to get back his EM, he would quickly become close to a God again and render all the other characters obselete. As well as that, they'd have to make him more naive again, otherwise when he learned how to use all his powers properly it would be near impossible to kill him. Imagine Peter just with ST manipulatation and RCR, for a moment. Now I can only kill him by taking his head off, and since he can stop time and teleport I'm never going to be able to get near enough unless I have the Hatian running around with me (just look at what happened with Arthur). Add an truly offensive power like Freezing into the mix and he's virtually invincible. How do you tell a story around a character like that? There's no suspense because nobody and nothing can kill him. Or if you go down the route of him having all this power and not knowing how to use it, as they did in Season 1-3, then you get fans complaining about him being stupid, even though it's the only way it can work. His power now IS perfectly ok. It's balanced and still keeps in touch with Peter's defining charasteristic, that he is nothing without his friends. We have no evidence for it evolving other then the fact he involuntarily took Emma's ability. If he can retain it even after picking up another power, which he probably will next episode, then we may have grounds for his EM returning (to a degree). But I for one hope he doesn't, because it will only lead to Peter being a Superman again. What I'm seeing here doesn't appear to be much more then a rant about how Peter's now on the same power level as everyone else, besides Sylar. I honestly like the way he is now...less godly and more intelligent. If you don't, that's your opinion, but I'm not really seeing a good argument for why.[[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 07:44, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
*** You can't turn Superman into Crappyman all of a sudden.
As you said, they killed Arthur. I LOVED your "besides Sylar", as if Peter wasn't meant to be his rival -__- . So what ? What we loved during 3 volumes, we just have to forget it, and see Peter having that lame power ?
It's true he doesn't make other characters obselete now. That's the point, HE IS obselete now. All the characters have several powers (Hiro : time freezing, teleporation, time traval, Ando : Kamehameha, super charger, Tracy : Freezing, water manipulation, turning into water, Matt : Mind control, telepathy, etc...) they all learn to live with it and make it evolve.
Peter is the only one that isn't doing that. Or actually, his power evolves, but backwards ! Ok, you two people like that, well, 95% of Peter's fans don't. I completely agree with the fact that EM is too powerful. But Ability replication is, now since it's totally random, the worst power of the show. They could have found a way to mix the two powers, to balance it. Make Peter able to copy one's power, maybe without touch, which would have allowed him to copy several abilties in a row against Sylar, but he would not overpower the other characters. But NO, now it's like the beginning of volume 4 again, he doesn't even realize what powers he got, if he takes a new one or what... Lame. Peter was meant to be epic. He can't be with that power, that's a fact.
* Other characters don't have several powers, they merely have powers which account for several effects: Hiro's power is space-time manipulation, accounting for teleportation, time freezing and time travel; Ando's ability supercharging augments abilities, but he can still use the energy of the ability in an offensive way; Tracy's ability is again, one umbrella ability which accounts for freezing and becoming water, and where did you get water manipulation? The only water she is capable of controlling is the water she becomes; Matt's telepathy is the same thing, if it involves manipulation of thoughts, he can do it. Peter probably didn't notice he took a power because he's starting to connect with people again, it could be turning the act of acquiring an ability into something passive, just like his old ability, though still limited by physical contact. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:02, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
** Here's a good argument for why Peter's ability is lame, iffy and downright insulting. Sylar, I rest my case.[[User:Fourletterfame|Fourletterfame]] 17:21, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
*** I have mixed feelings. EM is very hard to write, and after Peter has shown that he has a brain, I'd hate to see him become "stupid" again. OTOH, I loved the Peter vs Sylar fights, and currently Sylar would make mincemeat of Peter in a direct fight.--[[User:Cro Magnon|Cro Magnon]] 18:04, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
****Well '''currently''' I'd say Peter would win what with Sylar not knowing how to use his powers, who he is etc. and Enhanced Synesthesia seems pretty powerful considering the end of Hysterical Blindness! --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 18:10, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
***Sylar's case is different from Peter's. Why? He's a villian. In order for villians to provide a challenge they must be more powerful then the heroes, which means multiple powers or a stronger power then normal (Adam). If they are not they can't be threatening, because we know any of the heroes could kill them. Maybe you loved watching Peter when he was a god, but I knew it would end badly if he was allowed to keep going like that. Peter's far from obselete, or did you not watch the end of season 3 where his ability was the only thing that could neutralise Sylar? Empath has done a good job explaining the point on multiple powers- they have one power that allows them to do several superhuman things. Ability Replication fits that defintion perfectly, in fact it has far more variety then anything else in the show (save IA). AR isn't "lame" at all, and it's certainly not the weakest power on the show. Example: Nathan can fly, but if I have ability replication, I can do everything he can do, and still have far more possibilities if I take another power from someone else. Thus AR > Flight, and the same argument can be made for every other power on the show save maybe Sylar's. If Peter were able to acquire multiple abilities, by any means, he would become overpowered. This is true of every character with multiple abilities- Arthur was a god, and died after one arc. Samson basically forgot most of his and only appeared once. Sylar had to be neutered twice (end of Season 1 and Season 3) to keep his character around for a long period of time. I very much doubt Peter's ability has become truly random in what he absorbs again, considering he took Edgar's ability just fine and had been doing for most of Volume 4. More then likely he took Emma's ability empathically and will be able to keep it when he swaps again. Peter might well have been "meant" to have been epic, but if it creates a character too strong for the story to handle, he's better off the way he is. If Peter's a god, then no villian is threatening, ever. That can't be good for the story in any possible sense. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 18:12, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

Yet again peters is fine like he is now, I like it that hes trying to reconnect to people again, and if he would ever get his EM back, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Even if he can absorb all the powers and using them at a higher level, still its a challenge for the writers to make a good story of it. Imagine the possibities Peter could go to, Heroes can go any way then, and thats the good thing. I just love him trying to be emphatic again, and learning how he can help people without over powering. Peter is just awesome. We can go all directios now, and offcourse we have the 'love' aspect now with peter, with emma, lets hope they go deeper in that and in her past. I think emma will change peter, in a good way, he will become more knowing in what he wants to accomplish. Can't wait to see more in next upcoming episodes. [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 19:41, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

== Peter (with AR) vs Sylar ==
In light of events in Hysterical Blindness, just exactly how did Peter survive fighting Sylar in the end of Season 3? This unanswered question frustrates me. We are left to speculate (which is good to a point), but I expected (and I think the audience deserves) some answers early in Season 4 as to what happened in that locked room. How did Peter not die? We saw in graphic detail how easily Sylar killed Nathan. So did Peter manage to grab Sylar and change powers at will to defend himself? This seems the only likely explanation to me. However, the episode Hysterical Blindness highlighted two main problems with this theory: 1. Peter was unable sense any of Nathan/Sylar's abilities when they touched, and 2. Peter was unable to control his acquisition of Emma's ability. So, given these events, while fighting Sylar how on earth could Peter choose the abilities he wanted or needed, when everything that occurred in Hysterical Blindness suggests Peter can't do this? Do we just put it down to inconsistencies in the plot?--[[User:Stang|Stang]] 22:00, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
*Maybe Peter has ''just'' started to lose control. He seemed to have plenty control in season 4.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 22:10, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
*Well my poin of view is, we all know peter can replicate powers from someone when he wants to right? like say, if he wants telepathy he can touch matt and replicate it, well i think peter did the same with Sylar, he was thinking of shapeshifting and by thinking of it and knowing what he wants, he took it. Its offcourse a tought, not what really happend [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 22:16, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

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Screwed Up

Does anyone else think he's going to be really screwed up phsychologically after five years in isolation with Sylar?--Boycool42 21:10, 11 March 2010 (EST)

  • I think that, once they woke up and realized that only a day had passed, the whole experience was downplayed in their minds. In any case, they got along eventually.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:33, 11 March 2010 (EST)
    • Peter seems to be a little bit socially retarted now. "I never liked Carnivals." Now, before the Wall, Peter would have had some 5 minute response about being special. But he just said, "Yep."--Boycool42 21:42, 11 March 2010 (EST)
      • I don't know. That whole bit (which I really dislike, btw) seemed to be meant as a typical short bad-ass line, nothing profound.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)
        • I have a question. Is it five years total or five years after Peter got there (totaling eight years)?--Boycool42 07:22, 12 March 2010 (EST)
          • Hello? Anyone there? T.T--Boycool42 21:36, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

EM Gone a Good Thing?

I was rewatching early Season 3, and him being stripped of his powers was a good choice considering how dangerous it was to gain powers you didn't know had, seeing how both IR and IA are dangerous to possess. Anyone else agree? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:41, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

  • It was never a good thing! Powerless (and less-powerful) Peter is just boring to watch! And now that the show is over, Peter isn't even worth mentioning anymore. At least if he still had his full UNIQUE power, we'd be able to say: 'Superman? Yea he's still the king. But Peter IS pretty badass.' Now all we can say is Peter used to be cool, but let's watch something else. Ruler 06:36, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
    • Ha, you should watch the season 4 scene "Peter beats the hells out of Sylar", one ability used. AltesUTC CH 06:07, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
      • I agree with Ruler. I think this contributed to Heroes' downward spiral. The explanation for taking away Peter's power was 'he's too powerful. Eventually people will wonder, why doesn't he just use this or that power? But Peter's power was amazing and unique, it had a good message (for me, it meant that we really need others, and drove home the 'everyone is connected' idea), and Peter was the draw of the series for me. When Peter's ability was changed in season 4, I lost interest, but watched hoping his power would return in full. In addition, Peter wasn't fully adept at controlling all his abilities, which left a lot of room for compelling storytelling without making him too powerful. Finally, he was a good balance to Sylar: both collected powers and were rivals. Without Peter's EM, it just killed that whole possibility. In my mind, they could have taken so many routes to keep him in check and make the stories compelling without just taking EM away. I have thought of five (six if you count the point I made about Peter's control, above), and if I can, then professional writers certainly could have come up with these and more:

1. they could have had Peter continue to struggle with volatile abilities like induced radioactivity, necessitating his use of only one or a few powers at a time to maintain control (or consciousness), or weakening the degree of strength he has with some or all powers for the same reason. An ongoing struggle for self-control would have been compelling, kept Peter from being omnipotent, and even if he wasn't the focus of the series as he was in season 1, he could have remained without causing a problem since there are so many other characters to develop

2. they could have just stopped his absorption after he collected a lot of powers, and in-story everyone could have been surprised that Peter had a limit;

3. They could have redefined (i.e. 'retconned') Empathic Mimicry to require that Peter make a connection to someone before he absorbs their power. This one works well within the story, since early on Peter naturally empathized with everyone, explaining his rapid collection of abilities in the first season. As the series progressed, Peter was emotionally withdrawn and distrustful of people, which could explain why he didn't collect new powers (or only could hold one at a time, as in season 4). It could even have helped as a new story-arc: Peter's quest to learn how to connect with people again;

4. Connected with #3 above, they could have had Peter's Ability Replication expand in power over time, like the Heroes Evolutions character Draph. Even if they wanted to make Peter's ability not automatic and keep the requirement that he touch people to copy an ability, at least allow him to hold more than one at a time.

5. The Formula could have restored Peter's Empathic Mimicry. The writers rebooted Sylar in a similar way with the Shanti virus--Peter could have started from scratch, too. Combine this with #3, and you have an interesting and unique character who isn't omnipotent. --ADAP7IVE 19:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)

  • ...or had Matt Parkman, Jr. turn on his power, had Paulette Hawkins turn it on or augment his Ability Replication to hold more powers at a time (maybe even an infinite amount), Something to do with Ando's supercharging...--ADAP7IVE 13:25, 18 December 2010 (EST

6. Hi there people, the new power is lame beyond belief. There were tons of way to limit EM : - Make Peter actually master only A FEW powers. Let him be able to take everything but only mastering the powers he is really close to the people he took them from. For instance, he could fly. But he might have had a lot of problem copying any of Sylar's powers anymore.

- Make Peter able to control his EM (that was the initial plan). It was said that getting too much power makes him unstable. Thus the need for him to control it so he doesn't get too powerful/instable. He could even have found a way to somehow reboot himself after season 1.

- Give him Arthur's power. Writers said Arthur Sylar and Peter had the same power, only manifesting in different ways. Well then there was the budget cut and while Sylar totally went this way (he got EM for christ's sake), Peter got trashed beyond anything we could expect. Peter is no Arthur. But by getting "tougher", he could have got this power. The thing is, he would never steal any of his friend's power, making them still as important as ever (if not more important), while Peter would steal only the few villains he would encounter. Stealing a power takes a few seconds, it would be easily dodged if the villain isn't already beaten (and doesn't get caught by surprise)

Anyway, there were tons of ways to get a decent Peter, smart, powerful enough but not overshadowing the others, and yet, we got a guy who kept threatening people in volume 3, flew away during the whole volume 4, and ... whatever did he do last season, besides his cool (and only) fight with Edgar (I'm not counting the pathetic ping pong match of the finale).--Kleith 18:55, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

They could've restricted his ability to emotional empathy. If Peter suddenly became less sympathetic to others (which he did), he could've lost control of his power, lose access to everything he absorbed and stop being a god. Alignment shift? No more level-ups! AltesUTC CH

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