Talk:List of abilities

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A new page listing and comparing/contrasting Peter and Sylar

I don't think we have a page like this, specifically listing and comparing their powers. Would it be worthwhile to create on, specifically focusing on these two guys, and their absorbed powers? Yes we can go to the Peter page, and we can go to the Sylar page, but as often as they are compared, it would be nice to have a page solely dedicated to the two of them together in relation to their powers. Thoughts? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11:03, 20 February 2007 (EST)

• If you wanted to make a "Power transfers" page, it might be interesting. I certainly think it will grow over time, and it might lead to a lot of interesting speculation about their next confrontation. --Ted C 11:17, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Invisible Invisibility

Hey! Why was invisiblity removed!? Heroe 20:31, 12 January 2007 (EST)

It actually wasn't removed, it was hidden. If you edit the page, you'll see it there. Regardless of whether it's there or not, we don't include any information that hasn't aired. Since Claude hasn't appeared (nor is invisibility) yet, they don't belong until January 22 (can't wait, can't wait). - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Table of contents

Should we make a table of contents so someone can go right to a certain power? I tried doping that, but I couldn't get it to work Heroe 23:27, 2 February 2007 (EST)

• I tried adjusting the template to make the Powers links section headings, but it didn't work. We have anchor tags, though, so we could do a manual TOC. That's probably a better option since it lets us do a horizontal one.--Hardvice (talk) 00:00, 3 February 2007 (EST)
• OK, got one. Lemme know what you think.--Hardvice (talk) 00:21, 3 February 2007 (EST)
  • That's good, only I think we should also include the section on fan theories in there. Heroe 00:37, 3 February 2007 (EST)
    • Hmmm. The Theories template doesn't put in a linkable anchor tag, and since the section title is piped, it's a pain to jump to. I'll see what I can do.--Hardvice (talk) 00:42, 3 February 2007 (EST)
  • The TOC is great. Simple and neat, pretty cool. It'll be especially nice when our list of powers grows. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Theories

Ok, help again. Now I noticed the Theories link leads to the Theories portal. I think it should lead directly to the Power Theories page, but when I edited it to do that, it wouldn't work. Could someone do that? Heroe 10:28, 4 February 2007 (EST) * If there's a page that's linking to the Theories portal instead of the proper page, it's because the {{theories}} template isn't being used properly. See the new Usage instructions at the template or the new instructions at Help:Theories and Spoilers.--Hardvice (talk) 13:04, 4 February 2007 (EST)

• Unless you mean that Theories goes to the portal, in which case it should. There are now separate pages for each kind of theory. Why would we redirect Theories to only one of them?--Hardvice (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2007 (EST)
• Nevermind. I get what your saying now. It's fixed. I added Theories:Powers midway through the process, and forgot to go back and add it to the template. It's fixed.--Hardvice (talk) 13:14, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Dale & Enhanced Hearing

Should Dale's Enhanced Hearing power be added to the list yet or when she appears in next weeks episode?--The Empath 14:25, 13 February 2007 (EST)

• There's a bit of discussion ... uh, somewhere (Talk:Portal:Portals?) about how to treat these previews. For now, we should treat them like previews: spoilers only, no mentions or links from main articles.--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  • Yeah, we did the same thing with Claude's invisibility. We knew about that one forever, but we essentially waited until the episode aired. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:38, 13 February 2007 (EST)
    • Would it be safe to reveal Dale now? The episode has been aired and all we need is a screen capture. Japanimation14 (talk) 23:11, February 19 2007
      • I'm pretty sure it's ok now. :P --Riddler 23:13, 19 February 2007 (EST)

Hana's Power.

Would be a nicer image for her power, now that it's been shown in the... show? lol. While we can't see her physically do it... we DO have this. I can snapshot any part of the opening scene, as well as Dales original scene... since there are clips at NBC. --Riddler 23:25, 19 February 2007 (EST)

• Yeah, I definitely think we need to lose the GN picture now. The IM seems like the best choice to me. The image would need to be reuploaded, though: 450x350, and possible better quality. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:26, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Also, "acquisition"

According to Sylar in Roadkill... he calls his "Evolutionary Imperitive" (power): "Acquisition". Being the idiot I am, I didn't know what that meant really, so I googled it.

1. the act of contracting or assuming or acquiring possession of something; "the acquisition of wealth"; "the acquisition of one company by another"
2. something acquired; "a recent acquisition by the museum"
3. learning: the cognitive process of acquiring skill or knowledge; "the child's acquisition of language"
4. skill: an ability that has been acquired by training

The first and third one seem to sum up his power very well. Maybe better than "Intuitive Aptitude"?--Riddler 23:28, 19 February 2007 (EST)

• Furthermore,

1. Learning is the process of acquiring knowledge or skill through study, experience or teaching. It is a process that depends on experience and leads to long-term changes in behavior potential. Behavior potential describes the possible behavior of an individual (not actual behavior) in a given situation in order to achieve a goal.

The way they describe it sounds alot like Sylar, and his behavior.--Riddler 23:35, 19 February 2007 (EST)

I wouldn't say it's his "power" per se as much as it is what he does with his ability. Kind of a reach, but it's like saying Micah's originally-thought power was "telephone-fixing" when we know that's something he does with the ability. Granted, he definitely acquires abilities, but so does Peter. Bob - 19 Feb 22:41 CST

• Read the definitions though: Learning (what he does when he studies, such as the watches he repaired, or the books about brain removal, or even what most of us theorize he does with the brains), and aquiring, what he does when he steals powers. I think it sums it up nicely.--Riddler 23:44, 19 February 2007 (EST)
  • You're right, Sylar does acquire powers, and he might use his intuitive aptitude to do it. However, that's still speculation. We have no idea if somebody else is also capable of stealing a power, so we don't know if power theft is a power or just one of Sylar's crimes. That's why it's just a subcategory of powers right now. The reason we don't call it "power acquisition" is to distinguish it from empathic mimicry, Peter's power. "Power theft" is a bit more ... active. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2007 (EST)
  • Also, "acquisition" just seems too ... vague. It gives no information as to what he acquires, or how, and, as Ryan notes, we're not even 100% sure he uses his ability to understand how things work to acquire powers. The word fits, but it's just too broad.--Hardvice (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Peter included with absorbed powers?

Since Sylar is listed with the powers he has taken, should Peter also be listed with the powers he has demonstrated he has absorbed? Granted, he's not the only person with these powers (unlike Sylar who makes sure of that via murder), but he does possess these abilities. Just a thought, figured I'd put it up. Bob - 19 Feb 22:58 CST

• Now that some of the pages have been changed to reflect this, I have to say I really dislike it. For one thing, sooner or later Peter will be listed on every power. For another (and it's a close distinction), Peter doesn't really have the powers -- he just copies them. For example, if he were injured in a way that prevented him from accessing Claire's power (say, a sudden, unanticipated bullet to the back of the head), he wouldn't necessarily heal automatically like she would; Sylar, if he stole her power, probably would. For a third, it makes the portal look really crowded. For a fourth, it makes the whole "empathic mimicry" power and article seem kind of redundant. I think it's sufficient that each power article notes that he has mimicked it (and thus presumably has free access to it, provided he has time to call it up), and that it's noted as an available power on empathic mimicry. But maybe that's just me.--Hardvice (talk) 04:36, 20 February 2007 (EST)
  • Okay my thoughts...
  1. I don't mind Peter being listed on every power page, just like Sylar is.
  2. I'm not sure we can make a definite distinction between how Sylar, Claire, and Peter would heal, or how any other power would be used. For instance, as far as we know, Sylar uses telekinesis in the same way Peter does. Peter is just newer at it. In the end, he's absorbed the powers and recalled them without the originator present. If he has access to it when he wants, to me he has the power.
  3. I agree, the portal is beginning to look crappy. Personally, I think we should take Peter and Sylar off everything on the portal except their one original power.
  4. I don't think listing Peter on the powers he's acquired makes empathic mimicry any more redundant than, say, prophecy makes precognition.
  • In the end, I think a good solution would be to make the infobox have an "originally held by" and an "acquired by" (or "absorbed by") variable. I also think we should leave the portal to just those that originally held the power--Peter and Sylar get mentioned once on that page. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 04:47, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • The only thing I can't get over is that Peter has to do something extra, above and beyond what the original user of the power had to, to use it. When he flies, he's using his power to mimic Nathan's flight, whether or not Nathan is present. It seems like a huge stretch to say he "has" flight. Could Sylar steal it? Could another person with Peter's empathy copy it? What about powers he may have copied but doesn't know about? Does he "have" cryokinesis, or eidetic memory, or persuasion? If it boils down to it, I'd rather get rid of both Sylar and Peter from the stolen/absorbed/copied/whatever powers, but to me there's a huge distinction between the two. To my mind, Peter's ability to recall powers in no way changes what he's doing: he's still copying powers, even if he's copying them from memory.--Hardvice (talk) 05:01, 20 February 2007 (EST)
      • Regarding the 'calling up' of powers.. fwiw Peter was able to perform telekinesis when he broke the broomstick, but when asked who had that power, it took him a few seconds to realize it was Sylar who had it. If he was 'accessing' the power, he would have thought about Sylar before he used the power. It seemed like the use of the power was a reflex, not a conscious 'calling up'. It also seemed reflexive when he was almost hit with the HRG's tazer. Anyways that all being said, I think the cleanest solution would be to just change the table in the portal to say "Originally possessed by" instead of "Possessed by".. :) --Frantik (Talk) 05:08, 20 February 2007 (EST)
        • See, I assumed that he reacted with telekinesis because the situation Claude put him in was similar to the situation Sylar put him in: physical assault. Even if he didn't do it on purpose, his similar feelings called up the power he used when he was last in that position.--Hardvice (talk) 05:13, 20 February 2007 (EST)
          • I just don't buy that he was thinking of anything in that split second. And certainly afterward, it took him awhile to actively remember. That said, I don't have a strong opinion one way or another; I have my opinion, but I don't really care if we put it or not. So, in the great wiki tradition of fighting till the death, RIP Ryan. :)

            Ah, less flippantly, I only really care what the pages look like, that we're consistent, and that we have accurate info. If we take Peter's name off the powers pages, that's fine with -- it's well documented on that page and others that he has used the power. But we should probably do the same with Sylar, and for the same reason. Second, I like the idea of chaging the template. It's easy and seems to satisfy both camps. Third, we've gotta clean that portal page so it just lists the original owner. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:17, 20 February 2007 (EST)

            • Who says Sylar doesn't have to do the same thing as Peter? That is something to think about. The only time I can think of that Sylar automatically used an innate ability that he had acquired, was with Super Hearing from Dale, he had it for a while but it didn't affect him until he was there thinking about her. -Level 12:08, 20 February 2007 (EST)

New Power

• Time to add another power to the list. This time, drum roll please....SHAPE-SHIFTING!!! Possesed by Candace Wilmer.--The Empath 22:06, 5 March 2007 (EST)
  • I don't think it's shapeshifting in the traditional sense. I think the original idea of her creating illusions is what we saw. The whole room got the effect, and the real Simone vanished.--Riddler 22:13, 5 March 2007 (EST)
    • From what I've read it sounds like "Illusion" may be the intended name for this power and it would be consistent with what we've seen so far. (Admin 22:20, 5 March 2007 (EST))
      • hmm...I think you are right. I got so caught up on calling her a "Mystique-Raven Darkholme wannabe", but I still believe that it is Shape-Shifting. Maybe it's a mixture of both but it seems more leaning towards Shape-Shifting, you have to admit. Well, I'm out for the night. School in the morning and stuff. I'll catch up later tommorrow.--The Empath 22:22, 5 March 2007 (EST)
        • Check out the scene where she initially transforms from Simone back into Candace. She used her power to hide Simone's dead body on the bed behind her. When she lowers the illusion and reappears as Candace Simone's body also reappears on the bed. I didnt notice that originally, but going back over the episode I see it now. So it looks like the power is definitely Illusion now. (Admin 22:27, 5 March 2007 (EST))
        • IMHO, two people came to mind, in regards to the comic-book feel of the show. Lady Mastermind, and Mastermind. Read the power's listed on both pages. Anomy 23:00, 5 March 2007 (EST)
          • Well then, Illusions it is!--The Empath 19:01, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Gotta love Mohinder

Seems our problems are solved. Courtesy of the Heroes 360 experience: A list of powers by Mohinder Suresh! Anomy 23:46, 6 March 2007 (EST)

• That is a list made by fans and is not canon. -Lөvөl 15:00, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Plant Growth

Might want to be re-thinking 'Plant Growth'. The newest .07% spoiler shows Linderman (aka probably Austin) admiting to being able to heal things, and then proceeds to heal a dying flower. I am going to start a theory, if there isn't one on the theory page, that Linderman/Austin is more than a healer, but is 'One of Those' that Claude called Peter in 'The Fix' and Austin absorbed Au-Co's influence over plantlife....

• Alternately, I think it introduces the possibility that both Au Co's and Austin's power is simply healing, but isn't limited to people. The mythical Au Co was a healer, so it's possible that her name is intended to be a clue that she's doing the same thing.--Hardvice (talk) 12:49, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Thr official name for "Plant Growth" is Chlorokinesis------Patrick 18:15, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

• According to whom? "Chlorokinesis" translates to "green movement". That's a preposterous name for this power.--Hardvice (talk) 18:18, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
  • I agree. It's cute, but I don't think it's appropriate. I don't think "plant control" is right either. "Plant growth" seems better, but I'd rather wait for another GN or two. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:24, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
    • "Chlorokinesis" better describes the contents of a dirty diaper.--Hardvice (talk) 18:31, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
      • This might seem off topic but in the Bionicle set of Heroes who have elemental power there was a Toa Hero who can control plants. And she was called a "Flora". Maybe we could call it Flora Manipulation or Plant Manipulation. No way would we ever use chlorokinesis. Jason Garrick 17:39, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

I see nothing wrong with Chlorokinesis. I am using it in a book I am writing as the name of the ability to manipulate plants, trees, etc. If one looks at Chloro- as coming from chlorophyll, which is in plants and it helps them grow. So I see absolutely nothing wrong with that title. Now other alternative I have thought of is Chloropathy/Chlorpathy. seeing as -pathy as to do with the mind.--The Empath 18:06, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

• • • • • That's all well and good, but the "chloro-" in "chlorophyll" just means "green". It's the same root at chlorine. Similarly, just because "-kinesis" is used in "telekinesis" (movement across distance) and "pyrokinesis" (fire movement), it doesn't mean "super power"--it means "movement". Root words don't change their meanings based on what words they are used in, so no matter how you break it down, "chlorokinesis" just means "green movement", which is a pretty poor description of a power that grows plants, but a pretty god description of the contents of a dirty diaper.--Hardvice (talk) 18:23, 18 April 2007 (EDT)