Talk:Activation and deactivation

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources	Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources	Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine the name for Activation and deactivation.

Name Suggestions

• Of course. Well, my suggestion would be simply Activation. I'm not sure of any adjectives we could add to it that would be nonspeculative, but Activation by itself would suit the ability fine, imho. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • IceGhost78 ovulation
    • ...Not funny? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:04, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Activation sounds good --Gibbeynator 22:04, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • It can't be activation. The TV needs electrical power to turn on--something that Matt's ability provided along with 'activating' it. --Formless 22:58, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
    • It also appears to be an indefinite energy supply as none of the toys stopped doing what they were doing during the duration of the show. --Formless 22:58, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Hey! Who deleted my comments? --Formless 22:58, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
        • I don't think it was done intentionally; looks like an intervening edit got lost when multiple people posted simultaneously.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
• My suggestion is Jumpstarting.--The Empath 22:06, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
• I personally didn't really hear anything in the episode that could be used as a canonical name for this ability without coming off as pretty silly since they were more or less nicknaming the ability jokingly. I think we're going to have to hope for some kind of assignment tracker entry or something before we're able to legitimately rename this. (Admin 22:08, 23 March 2009 (EDT))
• I like "Activation" or "Toddler Touch n Go", rofl. I think they did say activation once though....--(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 22:10, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I'm fine with anything that isn't "Matt Parkman, Jr.'s ability". I'm going to watch the episode again to see if I can find anything that can be used to identify this ability. I would really like to see this page renamed to either Activation or Genesis, but that's just me. ---- - Bender · Talk-
  • Going by what we know so far about his power "activation" fits best. That said, however, next episode (or GN) more light will probably be shed on this power and we'll have to change the name again. --Peter 22:15, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
• If we are to consider the 'joking' names for the abilities, Genesis has my vote. Another suggestion: Tactile activation? Clarifies that Baby Parkman's abilities are channeled through touch. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:20, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Why is Genesis considered a 'joking' ability. The definition of it is: 1. The origin or coming into being of something. It works with Hiro's powers coming into action as well as with the electronics. Plus, it was mentioned in the show.(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genesis) ---- - Bender · Talk-
    • Hiro was making a joke, comparing it to the Genesis Device in Star Trek which "creates life from lifelessness." (Admin 22:23, 23 March 2009 (EDT))
• Please don't call it "Touch and go".  :)--Cro Magnon 22:25, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
• I checked the episode and I didn't see/hear the word "activation", so unless there happens to be consensus it's not really a term we can use at this point. ...and consensus on ability names is usually very difficult. (Admin 22:25, 23 March 2009 (EDT))
  • You're right Admin, I just thought the name sounded cool, it's also the name of one of my favorite bands. ---- - Bender · Talk-
• Here's a tidbit for ya, it also deactivates. He turned on the TV, touched it again, and turned it off. Also, when he activates something, it remains activated; constant touch is not necessary. So "activation" isn't good, since he also "deactivates". --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 22:26, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Touche. Then I guess we're stuck with Baby Parkman's ability... -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:27, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Wait, hang on. I was under the impression Hiro was the one turning the television off again and again? Can I get some clarification on that? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:28, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I think Baby Parkman turned the TV on then hiro turned it off then the baby turned it on again hiro unplugged it then the baby turned it on again then turned it off again while it was unplugged, well that's what i think happened.--Icykidd 22:50, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Either way, the toys are left on; which brings us back to my original point. --Formless 23:27, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
        • How is the fact that the toys were left on relevant? "Activation," or any derivation thereof, does not suggest a temporary incitement. "Activating" a credit card does not mean you can use it only right after you activate it. "Activating" an account on a website does not mean you can use it only right after you activate it. Same thing with Matt's ability. I fail to see how the toys being left on is relevant to the discussion. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 00:12, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
• I think "genesis touch" is the best name we have. I also think Admin is right in that the name was used jokingly, but that it does apply (though only as a description).--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • • I would go with "Touch and Go" just like we had to go with "Bliss and Horror". I actually kind of like the name anyway... :) --Action Figure 00:08, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
• I definitely think that Genesis is the best name since it was mentioned on the show and many people seem to agree. Rather than coming up with something out of thin air (like Activation) we should stick to the script and do it by the book. User:Themunchkym
• I also think "Touch and Go" is a suitable name. The article itself mentioned that is what Hiro called it. Doesn't that make it canon? --Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 00:23, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think the issue is whether or not it's canon (it most certainly is), but whether or not it's a valid name in and of itself. I mean, it was obviously not used as a serious name for the ability. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 00:25, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
• Given that we have witnessed Matt Jr. use his ability to enable the existing functions of objects and people (a television set was made to display images; a former time manipulator was able to freeze time), I propose that the ability be temporarily entitled "functional enabling" or "functional activation." --Jeffrey the Red 00:38, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
  • That's actually pretty good. Maybe functional genesis as well? So that it has a basis in canon? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 00:48, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Personally I like Genesis Touch as a descriptor. Genesis was mentioned in the episode, while touch describes how it is used. Spencer 01:29, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
    • That's still a very made up name. We can't apply non-canonical words like "functional" just because they look nice. There has to be either a basis in canon or it has to be a common term that legitimizes its use. Hiro's reference to Genesis was more of a sci-fi reference. They used "Touch and Go" much more frequently. I wish there were some way to use that as the basis for the name, but I don't think that would work too well. (Admin 01:32, 24 March 2009 (EDT))

I actually think Touch and Go is the best name for the ability if we are trying to move up the ladder. It's probably going to be the most searched for term when folks are coming to this site wanting to read about this particular ability, and is in league with names like Bliss and horror. Now, for those not liking calling this, consider wording the introductory lines thusly: "Touch and Go is the term used by Hiro to describe the toddler Matt Parkman Jr in relation to his strange ability." Phrasing it that way does not claim that we know more than Hiro does (Which would be implied by the other sugestions). --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:36, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

• Yes it may have basis in canon but as Admin already stated it just doesn't work as an ability name. I hate having soandso's ability, but in this case there isn't really another option which is correct.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

How he got it

Apparently the second eclipse gave powers as well as took them away: it gave Junior here his power.--WarGrowlmon18 00:48, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

• Should a section be added under the character picture that says which eclipse they started showing their powers? It seems to be an important turning point within the series. There is the "Genesis (Volume 1)" eclipse, the "Generations (Volume 2)" eclipse, and the "Villains (Volume 3)" eclipse. Only one known person developed abilities right after the generations eclipse (Adam Monroe), but several gained abilities in the first and third ones.--Spencer 01:40, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Consensus

Ugh, here is the part I hate. --Piemanmoo 01:22, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

• I think you should have presented the arguments instead of calling for a consensus check, which doesn't really help us cause it's already stated above that we are already divided. Choosing a name doesn't happen by vote and doing this check in such cases just tends to make concrete that divisiveness as it encourages people to line up which one they prefer without a reason.--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:34, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Activation

1. My vote goes for this one: simple, concise, and it fits. --Piemanmoo 01:22, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
2. I think this ones best.
3. I'm with activation. --Lolwut 03:42, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
4. It activates everything doesn't it? --JLYK 17:51, 24 March 2009 (EST)
5. The best. --Scorvi12 05:54, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

"Touch and Go" (a la "Bliss and Horror")

1. It'll be the most searched for term, and is the closest thing we have to a canon name at this point. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:36, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
2. It's just as good as naming a power "freezing", "bliss and horror", or "lightning". Its what it was called multiple times throughout the episode, and "genesis (device)" is not only a reference that seems to be going over most people's heads (its a JOKE people), but it would get confusing what with the volume and episode of the same name. --Action Figure 04:19, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
3. This IS the canonical name that has been given. --Radicell 05:58, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Matt Parkman Jr.'s ability

1. No canonical name has been given yet nor any other name that complies with the naming convention. (Admin 01:27, 24 March 2009 (EDT))
2. For the reasons stated above. If the ability is mentioned again, a more canonical name may be given or found. -- Tristan0709 talk 01:29, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
3. I agree that we should wait for a while before deciding on a final name. We can wait a bit for a more canon name. Perhaps the Graphic Novel will elaborate further.Spencer 01:32, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
4. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2009 (EDT) We simply don't know enough about the ability nor a canon name or description which can be used as the basis for a name.
5. "Touch and Go" was not the name given for the ability, it was the name given to the child. Different than the Bliss and Horror situation.--Riddler 06:16, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Hey, I had two things I wanted to ask/put forward...1st)does this ability just part a prescribed, somewhat self-sufficient, electrical field allowing the tv to be turned on or does it also allow interaction between the tv and say a cable box/satelite dish?? Because it seems like merely turning something on and allowing the machine to operate with other machines are two distinct modes of operation?? Maybe not..2nd)this ability seems like basically the same or atleast very similiar to micahs ability. I know the baby touched hiro, but im still thinking back to season 2 when micah touched monica and the next day she had complete control over her power...we've seen that the same abilities can be wielded to varying degrees by different people...could this not be technopathy??? I mean micah was like five when we first saw him use his ability??? Just a thought...-Babio123

• I noticed the similarities as well. Another thing to consider is ability supercharging - an ability that allows the user to make an evolved humans power stronger using some kind of electricity. Makes me think the ability to manipulate electrical equipment and Matt jr.'s aren't that different.--BardinessBoy 06:31, 24 March 2009 (EDT)