Talk:Daniel Linderman

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Where's Simone?

Isn't Simone somehow affiliated with Linderman? Like he's one of her customers or something? I recall hearing her say that in one of the more recent episodes but can't recall which one or I'd just add it. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly? Seems weird she's not mentioned in this page but we see Nathan and Aron. --ZachsMind 17:59, 7 February 2007 (EST) ...woah. Never mind. Scrolled right past it. It was Nothing To Hide. My bad.. Was that it tho? --ZachsMind 18:01, 7 February 2007 (EST)

• She also says he's a customer of hers in Godsend when she sends Hiro and Ando off with the dino painting. She says he buys as many of Isaac's paintings as he can get his hands on. It's not really clear whether he buys anything from her apart from Isaac's paintings. But yeah, Nothing to Hide is the earliest.--Hardvice (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2007 (EST)

South park trivia

I think the bit about south park and pot pies is uh, a bit too trivial for even the trivia section.. --Frantik (Talk) 07:49, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Linderman's power

is it too early to add linderman's power??? for those of u that dont know, it in one of the clips that was released today Theturtleguy 14:14, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

• Still a bit too early. We don't put spoilers on main pages until the episode has aired, or until a graphic novel reveals it. Until then, stick to Spoiler:.07%. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
• By now I know the power from the GN. And I saw spoilers saying he would have one. But I didn't see any that said what it was. Which spoiler did that?--E rowe 21:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
  • There's a preview video and another spoiler referred to Linderman's power as being much like Ben's (from Carnivàle). But it's all a bit moot now, anyway, eh? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • For the life of me I can't find that spoiler video. It's not coming up on your link. And I think I've seen all of the ones on the NBC website.--E rowe 22:23, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
      • Here's a YouTube version--should work. It's poor quality, but I only did a cursory search. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Spoilers link

No need to link to old spoilers? Should we take off the link that's on Zach's page? And Candace's? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

• Either that, or find a different way to link to archived spoilers. The text is misleading, since it implies following the link will bring up actual spoilers, which it does not. Also, we should probably decide what to do when an article has both archived and pending spoilers.--Hardvice (talk) 16:54, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
  • I say if there's a need for an individual spoiler page, to archive aired spoilers to show that it is no longer a current spoiler. If there are current spoilers still for that character, then continue to have it on the active page. Otherwise, just have an archive box similar to the one used for Talk pages for Users.--Bob 16:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm ready to delete all the archived spoilers. However, I understand there are people that enjoy reading them. Why don't we make the link say "Archived Spoilers" instead of just "Spoilers"? (I don't think there are any "current" spoilers on those 3 pages.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • That's cool. We just need to add a second template (or an archive=true reflex to the existing template). Still, next time a Linderman spoiler crops up, we'll have to decide how to treat it when some spoilers related to an article are archives and some aren't.--Hardvice (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
      • I'm also fine with getting rid of all archived spoilers, or at least not linking to them from the character pages. I'll let somebody else make that decision. I'd also feel more comfortable if you fix the reflex, thanks. — PassingTheBuck (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Similarities to Jacob (Lost)

I was thinking that maybe we should mention how similar this character is to the Jacob [1] from Lost. Both characters are the leaders of the antagonists, and were known only through references when they were first introduced. They are also both capable of healing people. I think we should at least mention it in trivia, since people have previously seen similarities in "Heroes" to "Lost". --Sauron18 20:18, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

• I would see about including it if the character had more similarities, but since it's just coincidental, I don't think it merits inclusion on the article. Otherwise, I could find a ton of instances throughout the show that could be included in trivia.--Bob 20:20, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
  • True. I guess with more info, if they are more similar then it would warrant an inclusion. --Sauron18 20:30, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • I think that it's not a matter of finding more information, but the fact that the characters are just coincidentally similar. If Linderman was based off a character, that would be a reason, but there would need to be some reference to this by the writing staff. For now, I'd lay off any comparisons. --Bob 20:34, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
      • ...that and the only reason they'd be compared is because the two shows share a fan base. Personally, I think Linderman is a lot like Dr. Claw, but I wouldn't put that in the article. (Especially now that Linderman has been seen, but neither Claw nor Him have been seen.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:47, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

With the Company or not?

The way Matt said it, it certainly seems now that Linderman is funding the company. Am I right? Heroe!(talk) 09:36, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

• Linderman clearly controls the Company. He was able to get Candace to bring Micah to him without any difficulty at all. --Ted C 10:04, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
  • My take on it was that Thompson and Candace switched sides from The Company to Linderman. I think previously that there was a good chance Hiro's dad was funding it. I'd find it odd to see him working with Linderman. --Xmuskrat 14:19, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Linderman/Crazy Horse Connection:

On the ARG-connected Yamagato Fellowship website, you'll find a section that features "real" heroes from history, myth, & legend; one of them is the Native American warrior, Crazy Horse.

From the biography of Crazy Horse on the Yamagato Fellowship website:

• Crazy Horse's bravery earned him the title of "shirt wearer" or war leader. In this role, he led fifteen hundred Lakota and Cheyenne against The US Army.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a "linder" is "a woollen waistcoat or undershirt" -- which would make Linderman's name "shirt man" -- which sounds a lot like Crazy Horse's position of "shirt wearer".

Just something to ponder as we connect the dots. Lander 01:08, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

• Hm, never thought about trying to associate the heroes listed on Yamagato Fellowship with potential puppetmasters on the show. I might have to look into this. Good job.--Bob 01:24, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Thanks. I've made several connections this way -- I'll post them on the discussion pages for each hero. Lander 02:32, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Bill Linderman?

• The DVD subtitles jessica/nikki calls him "Bill"...and Linderman replays jessica so they must have been exchanging names!
  • Look below. The closed-captioning people frequently get things wrong. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 22:45, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
• I'm pretty sure she actually says "bull".--Hardvice (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Oh no wait. They mean when she walks through the wall with D.L. It's "boo", not "Bill".--Hardvice (talk) 03:10, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
• Actually Hardvice, I watched this episode with closed captioning to get tips on Candice's correct spelling. Jessica said "Bill."
  • The closed-captioning people frequently get things wrong. I'd have to go back and watch it again, but I'm pretty sure she said "Boo." (Admin 19:51, 15 May 2007 (EDT))
  • It was pretty unmistakably "boo", in my opinion. Also, it makes sense to say "Boo!" when you've just walked through a wall. That, and I doubt Jessica and Linderman are on a first-name basis.--Hardvice (talk) 20:41, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Plus, revealing Linderman's first name would be a pretty big deal (only overshadowed by revealing Bennet's name, I'd think). I'm not sure they would just throw it out there like that. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:46, 15 May 2007(EDT)
• Close captioning people do get things wrong, but I've seen this multiple times and know for sure she's saying Bill. Considering Bill is short for William, that fits rather well with Linderman. This was an off the cuff remark, he addressed her as Jessica, so she would return in kind by calling him Bill...It doesn't make sense for her to say "Boo" after Linderman already acknowledges her. bennetfan 16:35, 05 June 2007.
  • Given that she just got done walking through the wall with D.L. and surprising Linderman, it does make sense for her to say "boo." I just checked it a few more times and it seems pretty clear that she's saying "boo" as there's no "l" sound at the end of what she says. (Admin 18:38, 5 June 2007 (EDT))
  • You know this for sure? How? ... And just because you're of the opinion that it fits well does not mean that's his name any more than "Baal Linderman" is his name (which I think is actually a much more fitting moniker). And a sarcastic "boo" after she sneaks into his office would make perfect sense for Jessica to say, especially after he has acknowledged her. It was not a "boo" to make him scared, but a "boo" to accent her unwanted and unexpected appearance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
• In my honest opinion, "Bill" or "Bull" make no sense whatsoever. Jessica definitely said "boo", as in "Boo, I'm a ghost."--Ice Vision 21:14, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
• Considering the release of the DVDs, which I watched with the subtitles on just for this particular argument, when she walks through the wall the subtitle lists it as Bill, not boo. So, considering the subtitles say Bill...Does that lay this argument to rest, or do we need like official Tim Kring confirmation to official call Linderman, Bill? -- Bennetfan
  • We're no closer than we were a few months ago. As Admin said, the closed-captioning people frequently get things wrong. They often take their information from what they hear, not from what is written, so it's hardly canon. And again, I'm going to go with the argument that it's a pretty lousy way to reveal a name (compare with the other Noah's name reveal). Plus, nobody official has said a word about it, yet they've talked tons about Noah's name being revealed. I'm just not buying it...but I'll ask Oliver Grigsby next time I send him an email. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Dan's the Man?

So the newest Heroes 360 video about Kensei calls Mr. Linderman "Daniel Linderman", and they are very clear that *this* is the same Mr. Linderman we know. The page was just updated to use David? I'm not sure where that came from, but we also have Bill on the DVD. I would think Daniel would be best.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:42, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

• The captioning that says "Bill" is a mistake. Niki said "boo" and the captioning people just got it wrong. Happens quite a bit. However the Kensei video was very clear that his name is "Daniel". The only question is whether that name only belongs in the notes section or not. I took the safe route of just adding it to the notes, but the other info was subsequently modified. (Admin 01:45, 25 September 2007 (EDT))
  • my fault on the David-Daniel thing XO, smash-ed haste fouled things up.--SacValleyDweller 02:23, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
• Mr. Bennet's page got changed when his name was revealed, but that's because it was said in the show. Seeing as how we probably won't be seeing or hearing as much about Linderman as him, and because his name was never revealed on screen, I say we keep Linderman's page as it is for now, and just put the Daniel in the notes section or something. --Piemanmoo 02:52, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Somehow, I think Linderman's character will be coming back...but yeah, putting it in notes is probably the best idea.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree, I'd rather keep it in the notes for now. I'm still not sure we've figured out exactly how to handle Heroes 360 content. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
• Okay, corinthianlasvegas.com has been updated too. They also say "Daniel Linderman". I'm thinking it's probably best to move the page now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Agreed. That's two near-canon sources for "Daniel", and no contradicting canon sources (unless you count Ali Larter's sex-kitten voice). That's more of a basis than we had for Kaito's first name, or for Angela's, when their articles were so labeled.--Hardvice (talk) 00:49, 27 September 2007 (EDT)