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****The biggest issue I have with Joseph being an empath is that he would have absorbed Samuel's ability, thus neutralizing as a threat. Personally, I think that Joseph has a power that has never been shown before, some sort of mental disruption, it would account for Samuel being so hazy when Mohinder first ran into him at the carnival. My other theory is that he used sedation, he may have lost control of his ability because he was about to collapse, not because the ability itself. Like, had he been holding a wine glass, when Joseph used his ability he would have dropped it, due to the fact that he gradually lost consciousness.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 20:33, 15 December 2009 (EST) |
****The biggest issue I have with Joseph being an empath is that he would have absorbed Samuel's ability, thus neutralizing as a threat. Personally, I think that Joseph has a power that has never been shown before, some sort of mental disruption, it would account for Samuel being so hazy when Mohinder first ran into him at the carnival. My other theory is that he used sedation, he may have lost control of his ability because he was about to collapse, not because the ability itself. Like, had he been holding a wine glass, when Joseph used his ability he would have dropped it, due to the fact that he gradually lost consciousness.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 20:33, 15 December 2009 (EST) |
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*****He could have used Lydia's ability to see that Samuel had no intention of killing him, at least at first. It certainly seemed like Samuel had no intention of killing Joseph, only doing so because he was angry at the time.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 20:34, 15 December 2009 (EST) |
*****He could have used Lydia's ability to see that Samuel had no intention of killing him, at least at first. It certainly seemed like Samuel had no intention of killing Joseph, only doing so because he was angry at the time.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 20:34, 15 December 2009 (EST) |
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******That may be true, but I was trying to say that Samuel has been made out to be the evolved human anti-christ of sorts. I feel like it would cheapen the experience of Joseph could do the same thing.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 20:38, 15 December 2009 (EST) |
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Revision as of 01:38, 16 December 2009
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What is it?
Joseph used his power on Doyle in iStory. It looked a lot like mental manipulation. But he didn't touch Doyle to knock him out. So... Your thoughts? 
AltesUTC CH 14:24, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- I think it is mental manipulation.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 14:25, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- Joseph's ability just now, that way if it is mental manipulation we are not wrong, but if it's not, we're still not wrong. --mc_hammark 14:26, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- Personally I think it's something like Ability Negation, which would explain that Samuel could never reach his full potential.
- That was because there were too few evolved humans in the carnival to give Samuel a significant boost. My theory is - it's telepathy. Because in Bloodlines he somehow knows which Eli is the Prime.
AltesUTC CH
- Or Joseph just saw prime Eli breathing, i mean it was cold over there so there would be smoke if you breath.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 14:42, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- That was because there were too few evolved humans in the carnival to give Samuel a significant boost. My theory is - it's telepathy. Because in Bloodlines he somehow knows which Eli is the Prime.
- Personally I think it's something like Ability Negation, which would explain that Samuel could never reach his full potential.
- Joseph's ability just now, that way if it is mental manipulation we are not wrong, but if it's not, we're still not wrong. --mc_hammark 14:26, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- I say wait to see if more info about the ability comes to pass. With both the current iStory and graphic novel arch I'm sure it will. --OutbackZack 15:37, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- Right. We know the iStory arc will continue, and we can assume Joseph will appear again. (I have no inside information on this.) Before we ask for clarification or anything like that, let's wait to see what happens. I'm glad to see this ability has not been named yet. I think the situation is being handled very well. Nice job, guys. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- I'm really hoping that this turns out to be the empath ability. It certainly seemed like that was where we were headed early on in the season.--Gibbeynator 17:08, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- The biggest issue I have with Joseph being an empath is that he would have absorbed Samuel's ability, thus neutralizing as a threat. Personally, I think that Joseph has a power that has never been shown before, some sort of mental disruption, it would account for Samuel being so hazy when Mohinder first ran into him at the carnival. My other theory is that he used sedation, he may have lost control of his ability because he was about to collapse, not because the ability itself. Like, had he been holding a wine glass, when Joseph used his ability he would have dropped it, due to the fact that he gradually lost consciousness.--PJDEP 20:33, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- He could have used Lydia's ability to see that Samuel had no intention of killing him, at least at first. It certainly seemed like Samuel had no intention of killing Joseph, only doing so because he was angry at the time.--Gibbeynator 20:34, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- That may be true, but I was trying to say that Samuel has been made out to be the evolved human anti-christ of sorts. I feel like it would cheapen the experience of Joseph could do the same thing.--PJDEP 20:38, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- He could have used Lydia's ability to see that Samuel had no intention of killing him, at least at first. It certainly seemed like Samuel had no intention of killing Joseph, only doing so because he was angry at the time.--Gibbeynator 20:34, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- The biggest issue I have with Joseph being an empath is that he would have absorbed Samuel's ability, thus neutralizing as a threat. Personally, I think that Joseph has a power that has never been shown before, some sort of mental disruption, it would account for Samuel being so hazy when Mohinder first ran into him at the carnival. My other theory is that he used sedation, he may have lost control of his ability because he was about to collapse, not because the ability itself. Like, had he been holding a wine glass, when Joseph used his ability he would have dropped it, due to the fact that he gradually lost consciousness.--PJDEP 20:33, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- I'm really hoping that this turns out to be the empath ability. It certainly seemed like that was where we were headed early on in the season.--Gibbeynator 17:08, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- Right. We know the iStory arc will continue, and we can assume Joseph will appear again. (I have no inside information on this.) Before we ask for clarification or anything like that, let's wait to see what happens. I'm glad to see this ability has not been named yet. I think the situation is being handled very well. Nice job, guys. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2009 (EST)
Seen or unseen
Just now it's listed as unseen, but wasn't there a picture when it happened. It was kind of blurry. I think this counts as seen, doesn't it. I'll see if I can get a pic. --mc_hammark 15:07, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- Here. --mc_hammark 15:25, 15 December 2009 (EST)
