Talk:Neurocognitive deficit

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Source/Explanation
Anna says that she can "effectively lobotomize people around [her]." (Red Eye, Part 1).

I'm sorry, but no.

"Lobotomize" was CLEARLY a description she gave, since she still doesn't quite understand what her power is. This page is pretty ridiculous (the most glaring bit being that a "lobotomy" is a specific type of surgery) --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:48, 24 December 2008 (EST)

• I don't agree with the split and it was not discussed on the mental manipulation page. See the discussion on Talk:Mental manipulation.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:49, 24 December 2008 (EST)
  • Kill it. Psilaq Remake 23:14, 24 December 2008 (EST)
    • If it's the split that's the issue, that's one thing. I understand somebody started a discussion in a place that may not be the most intuitive (Talk:Anna). However, it wasn't the "wrong" place to start a discussion, and doesn't negate the fact that we just don't know that Anna and the Haitian have the same power. There are a lot of things that fit, and a few that don't fit exactly. But until it's confirmed, we shouldn't assume.

      If it's the name of the ability that's an issue, that's another deal. Let's look at some other possibilities. Are there other options? Is there anything else from the iStory or Red Eye, Part 1 we can use to name the ability? Mohinder describes the ability as being able to disorient sensory perception, motor commands, language skills, and even conscious thought. (I'm borrowing from Miami's excellent summary at talk:mental manipulation.) "Sensory perception disorientation" seems both unwieldy and too narrow. Would something simpler like "disorientation" work? I think we have enough information that we don't need to simply say "Anna's ability". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2008 (EST)

      • At the absolute least the name is entirely wrong as she does not, in actuality, lobotomize anyone. She shuts down upper brain functions. On top of this, the description Mohinder gives sounds a lot like it can apply to mental manipulation just as easily. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 01:46, 25 December 2008 (EST)
      • I think merging the abilities without pointing anyone there was 'wrong'. I don't see why the term 'mental manipulation' doesn't fit her. Based on Mohinder's description, manipulation minds appears to me to be what she does and I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise, just that we don't know for sure she has the Haitian's ability. I really think that should be irrelevant in naming her ability, but would we be able to compromise have the Haitian's ability be "mental manipulation (I)" and have hers be "mental manipulation (II)"? Isn't it clear that they are both forms of mental manipulation?

        Disorientation doesn't cut it as that doesn't really encompass all she can do. Mohinder's full quote:
        

        "[Anna] has a truly incredible ability to shut down the upper brain functions of those around her." "Her abilities have been known to affect and disorient sensory perception, motor commands, language skills, and even conscious thought."

        
        So she just doesn't disorient, she can presumably affect them in other ways.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:52, 25 December 2008 (EST)