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SO EXCITED

I need it now. D: I'll also do the Synopsis tonight. =P --AnotherNella 19:08, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• Yeah, I'm looking forward to the episode as well. Good luck with the synopsis! :) (Admin 19:09, 3 December 2007 (EST))

The montage during Nathan's speech ...

I'm just double-checking here, but everything included in the montage doesn't count towards the appearances and/or power useages right ? --LeoChris 22:00, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• OMIGOD!....uh...There was no power seen so I don't think it counts.--The Empath 22:02, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • Wasn't phasing seen in the DL part ? --LeoChris 22:03, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • Oh that, sorry, I thought you ment the speech. I would wait to see someone elses, imput but mine is no. Those were already seen apart of past episodes.--The Empath 22:05, 3 December 2007 (EST)
      • I'd say only if the character was credited in the beginning.--Riddler 22:07, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Great Job! Brilliant

• Ryan told me who died on Saturday night, so I expected what happened but I liked how Nathan died much more than what they did with Niki.--  Japanimation          My Talk   22:16, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • Really? I thought Niki's death was better. I would have expected more security around Nathan, and why didn't Peter's tk power kick in to save his brother's life (i.e. did the virus take his powers)? But I like what Angela said, that they opened "pandora's box" tonight... (I guess Angela had still expected for Nathan to take office?) Now there's all sorts of new questions.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:25, 3 December 2007 (EST)
• Agreed, that was one of my favorite moments of the finale.--  Japanimation          My Talk   22:29, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • Nice admission to the fact that Ryan told you when (iirc) he wasn't supposed to say anything. Now, I don't mind either way, but ifffff Iiiii weerreee youuu, I'd edit both yours and my current comment. >_>;--Riddler 22:19, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • Well, it really doesn't matter now, the episode is over ;-D--  Japanimation          My Talk   22:25, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • Japanimation doesn't need to edit anything. I was never told not to tell anybody, I have just been trying to be judicial in the last few days in not telling anybody who died. I found out because of my connection to G4, and I didn't think that'd be very fair to tout that kind of inside information. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:30, 3 December 2007 (EST)
      • I thought you said you couldn't. Maybe I misread somewhere.--Riddler 22:33, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Lol.

Wow, they totally pulled a "Who shot JR??" with this one. And who else laughed out loud at Adam's fate? xD I actually feel sorry for him though. >_<

Did anybody else think the Monica/Micah/Niki plotline felt like it was just... tacked on? It seemed out of place. Compare some kid wanting his dad's medal and comics back to saving the world from an insane superpowered serial killer and a misguided madman hellbent on destroying the world with a virus.

And also. Caitlin. Wouldn't saving the world from the virus pretty much... destroy her? Since the time period she's in doesn't exist anymore? --Thrashmeister 22:21, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• Who shot Mr. Burns? In any case, they showed Bob in the background walking away, unless it was someone else in a similar suit with a similar haircut. Also, the Niki thing did feel out of place; I've NEVER heard of someone burning down a house with a person in it over a little thievery...--Riddler 22:24, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • I think Hype (that was his name right ?) was paid to lit the house of fire anyway (as per his comments last ep.), Monica just happened to be there at the wrong time ... As far as Caitlin go, I assume that since she's not from the future, she won't cease to exist, the future will just change around her ... does that make any sense ? --LeoChris 22:26, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • Yeah, but the future should be different for both Peter and Caitlin now. It will be interesting to see how the writers handle that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:36, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • I'm pretty sure it wasn't Bob. Bob is... what can I say...? Fat. That man was thin, like Noah. Noah made a "deal" with the Company and Bob, and it seems that he had to kill Nathan to protect the secret.--Ice Vision 22:27, 3 December 2007 (EST)
      • So did West fly Noah from California to Texas at Mach 23 or something? How else did Bennet go transcontinental within minutes? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/3/2007 22:30 (EST)
        • Bob flew Noah there. It seems they've come to an understanding... Bob was outside the house, waiting for Noah to come out.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:37, 3 December 2007 (EST)
        • Plus the guy didn't have a chrome dome. I'm 99% sure it's Noah. As for who Angela was on the phone with, THAT's gonna be interesting. I think we'll finally get to see her ability.....next season.--Bob (talk) 22:31, 3 December 2007 (EST)
        • Minutes? What do you mean? The amount of time in Heroes is not the same as the amount of time of the episode. There was a lot of time in between. And, he probably took a plane.--Ice Vision 22:33, 3 December 2007 (EST)
      • I didn't notice thinner... but thinner... bald... Arthur Petrelli?--Riddler 22:32, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Uhh...

I don't know bout y'all, but I thought this episode was awful. First, with the plethora of abilities Peter has, he CHOSE telekinesis to get through the door. Lame. he could have easily phased through it, melted it, ripped it off, or I don't know what else. But he chose tk which took so much time. He and Adam could have been in their at least minutes before. And why is it that Peter always gets to put the world in danger, and then saves it. Sometimes I think I could write better plots. I was very disappointed. Random guy 23:15, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• I thought it was one of the better episodes of the season. It was exciting, and I was fully invested in each character. Noah's return--and quick departure--was a tearjerker. Niki's death was heroic and sad, just as I finally began liking the character. (Did you love how she beat up the gang member, even without her powers?) Micah was smart and efficient. Nathan's death was shocking. And I thought Peter was using a good mix of his abilities--every scene with him kept me on the edge of my seat. This was a strong episode and a very good season/volume ender. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • This entire scene I kept thinking "You don't have to have superpowers to be a hero." I think it's offical: I spend too much time on the wiki -- Lulu .:talk:. 00:00, 4 December 2007 (EST)
• To be honest, I agree, in that the episode could have been better. However, I also believe that the episode was one of the best episodes in the season. They finished the season with a solid finale. I'm guessing that that vault door was incredibly strong. Enhanced strength wouldn't work because he would probably have to ram his way in, and that super strong door wouldn't allow that. Another way to break down something with strength is to snap it in half, but with a huge thing like that, you would have no grip, no way to grab on to both sides (Peter's not elastic). The door might be radiation-proof or something. Phasing would defeat the purpose; the writers' wanted Adam to get his hands on the virus, then Adam would be stopped. That's just a classic superhero thing. A virus capable of wiping of out the global population would probably be kept in the safest and most secure place. I think the writers chose telekinesis because telekinesis is based on the power of the mind. The mind is not limited like human muscles. I've always been told that the brain is the most powerful and most important organ in the body. I guess that's it for my babbling.--Ice Vision 23:32, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Episode title photo

I think we should use Sylar pointing a gun at Mohinder as the title photo, since that's not really a spoiler. Monica all tied up with the flames burning is my second choice. Monica with Micah is a spoiler, so I don't think that is appropriate.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• I would prefer an image that has to do with the virus. The main story revolves around destroying that thing. Perhaps the purple tube floating in mid-air? An image of the speech would also be nice.--Ice Vision 23:47, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • The vial in mid-air would be okay, I guess, since it was shown in the previews. It's definately better than any image of the speech (that's definately a spoiler).--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:54, 3 December 2007 (EST)

WOW!!!

• Tonite was quitea shocker! I mean, i dont care about Nicki, but Nathan? Come on! Who shot him? And his mother didnt look upset at all! Elle was pretty cool coming to their rescue. But Sylars back! Why doesnt he die already?! He gets on my nerves. Im out, Long Live NAthan Petrelli!Nick Petrelli 23:39, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • Sylar doesn't die because he's the villain of the story. Angela knew it the situation, however, she did had tears in her eyes. She was sad, you could tell.--Ice Vision 23:44, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • I've never been so sad about a character dying, even sadder than when Noah got shot. Nathan was just such a badass and a pimp, it completely sucks that he gets assassinated. I hope the punk who shot him gets a slooow and painful death. --AnotherNella 23:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• • • I did not see. It looked like Bob who killed him. Could peter have saved him since he was around Linderman?Nick Petrelli 23:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Is Nathan dead??

Could they have used Claires blood to save him?Nick Petrelli 23:49, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• That blood thing is cheap and getting old. I thought we had finally got rid of Maya, but no she's alive....this sucks.