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:{{minus}} There's no proof whatsoever that they don't have those same issues. Personal opinions are not evidence.<Br /> |
:{{minus}} There's no proof whatsoever that they don't have those same issues. Personal opinions are not evidence.<Br /> |
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{{plus}} The double-entendres in the dialog are just too unsubtle to ignore. Even if it doesn't foreshadow anything, I'm pretty sure Tim was having some fun with the idea of it.<br /> |
{{plus}} The double-entendres in the dialog are just too unsubtle to ignore. Even if it doesn't foreshadow anything, I'm pretty sure Tim was having some fun with the idea of it.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} It's just as likely that Tim Kring was foreshadowing HRG eating poisoned [[waffles]], or [[Mr. Muggles]] obtaining the ability to breath fire, or [[Elle]] throwing a plate of [[chilaquiles]] at [[Sylar]].<br /> |
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:{{plus}} *flirtatious* "Hey Cheerleader."<br /> |
:{{plus}} *flirtatious* "Hey Cheerleader."<br /> |
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::{{minus}} This wasn't really flirtatious. The tone was more of contemptuous mockery. |
::{{minus}} This wasn't really flirtatious. The tone was more of contemptuous mockery. |
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::{{minus}} How can they be lesbian if they don't want to hold hands? |
::{{minus}} How can they be lesbian if they don't want to hold hands? |
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:::{{plus}} The theory is that they are being set up for being in a lesbian relationship, not that they are already in it. Moreover, the awkwardness of the hand-holding appears as a sign of inner feelings they may try to hide to themselves. |
:::{{plus}} The theory is that they are being set up for being in a lesbian relationship, not that they are already in it. Moreover, the awkwardness of the hand-holding appears as a sign of inner feelings they may try to hide to themselves. |
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::::{{minus}} The [[Theory:Waffles|theories about waffles]] are more plausible.<br /> |
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::::{{minus}} The awkwardness of the hand-holding was more likely due to their rivalry up until that point. |
::::{{minus}} The awkwardness of the hand-holding was more likely due to their rivalry up until that point. |
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:{{plus}} "I've been nothing but a bitch and you've been nothing but sweet."<br /> |
:{{plus}} "I've been nothing but a bitch and you've been nothing but sweet."<br /> |
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::::{{minus}} Elle is a human being perfectly capable of expressing platonic emotions, despite her messed-up psychology. |
::::{{minus}} Elle is a human being perfectly capable of expressing platonic emotions, despite her messed-up psychology. |
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:::::{{plus}} Outside the Claire+Elle case, which is under debate here, there is no case of her complimenting someone without having any sexual attirance for this someone. |
:::::{{plus}} Outside the Claire+Elle case, which is under debate here, there is no case of her complimenting someone without having any sexual attirance for this someone. |
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::::::{{minus}} This argument is an example of ''secundum quid'', a.k.a. Hasty Generalization.<br /> |
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::::::{{minus}} That doesn't mean she's not capable of doing so. Claire was the only one who was willing to help Elle in her times of trouble. Just because she complimented her does not in any way suggest that she's attracted to her. |
::::::{{minus}} That doesn't mean she's not capable of doing so. Claire was the only one who was willing to help Elle in her times of trouble. Just because she complimented her does not in any way suggest that she's attracted to her. |
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:{{plus}} "I was ready to give up, stay home, deny everything that's been happening to me. I was scared." "Scared of what?" "Of what I would ''find out about who I really am''." "It's just... it's nice to know that ''you're as messed up as I am''." *awkward smiles*<br /> |
:{{plus}} "I was ready to give up, stay home, deny everything that's been happening to me. I was scared." "Scared of what?" "Of what I would ''find out about who I really am''." "It's just... it's nice to know that ''you're as messed up as I am''." *awkward smiles*<br /> |
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:::{{plus}} They have more important things to do now, but the theory is that it is being set up for the future, when they won't have more important things to do. Moreover, this ''more important things to do'' assumes that neither Claire nor Elle will be set up in an heterosexual relationship since, like you said, ''they have more important things to do''.<br /> |
:::{{plus}} They have more important things to do now, but the theory is that it is being set up for the future, when they won't have more important things to do. Moreover, this ''more important things to do'' assumes that neither Claire nor Elle will be set up in an heterosexual relationship since, like you said, ''they have more important things to do''.<br /> |
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::::{{minus}} It's ''[[Heroes]]''. Claire is a main character. Even if Elle doesn't, Claire will ''always'' have more important things to do. |
::::{{minus}} It's ''[[Heroes]]''. Claire is a main character. Even if Elle doesn't, Claire will ''always'' have more important things to do. |
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{{minus}} They are more like sisters (even with the |
{{minus}} They are more like sisters (even with the resemblance)<br /> |
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:{{plus}} But they are not sisters! |
:{{plus}} But they are not sisters!<br /> |
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::{{minus}} The note is that they are more like sisters, not that they are sisters. |
::{{minus}} The note is that they are more like sisters, not that they are sisters.<br /> |
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:::{{plus}} In this case, the note is not a minus, since as long as they are not sisters, they can date. Interestingly, other notes states that they aren't even that close. |
:::{{plus}} In this case, the note is not a minus, since as long as they are not sisters, they can date. Interestingly, other notes states that they aren't even that close.<br /> |
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::::{{minus}} It is a minus, because it states that they are MORE like sisters, which means that a romantic relationship isn't likely. |
::::{{minus}} It is a minus, because it states that they are MORE like sisters, which means that a romantic relationship isn't likely.<br /> |
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{{minus}} They don't talk in a flirtatious way, just a normal way, like friends do.<br /> |
{{minus}} They don't talk in a flirtatious way, just a normal way, like friends do.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Since when are Claire and Elle "friends"? |
:{{plus}} Since when are Claire and Elle "friends"?<br /> |
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::{{minus}} ''[[Eris Quod Sum]]'' |
::{{minus}} ''[[Eris Quod Sum]]'' |
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::{{minus}}If they don't even like each other as "friends", how can they become "lovers"? |
::{{minus}}If they don't even like each other as "friends", how can they become "lovers"? |
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:{{minus}} Pleasing fan-fiction writers is most likely the least of the ''[[Heroes]]'' crew's concerns. |
:{{minus}} Pleasing fan-fiction writers is most likely the least of the ''[[Heroes]]'' crew's concerns. |
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::{{plus}} Actually, the writers have stated that they do listen to what fans think. So if enough fans are in for a lesbian relationship between Elle and Claire, it might happen.<br /> |
::{{plus}} Actually, the writers have stated that they do listen to what fans think. So if enough fans are in for a lesbian relationship between Elle and Claire, it might happen.<br /> |
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:::{{minus}} That's an incredibly stupid way to run a show. What if the fans wanted [[Sylar]] to become a giant hedgehog named Spiny Norman? I would hope that the producers have more integrity than that. |
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:::{{minus}} The number of Heroes femslash fanfic fans wouldn't be even close enough to convince the writers to throw in a lesbian relationship.<Br /> |
:::{{minus}} The number of Heroes femslash fanfic fans wouldn't be even close enough to convince the writers to throw in a lesbian relationship.<Br /> |
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::::{{plus}} Who said the fanfiction fans where the only one looking positively at a lesbian relationship between Elle and Claire?<br /> |
::::{{plus}} Who said the fanfiction fans where the only one looking positively at a lesbian relationship between Elle and Claire?<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Just because one character is a lesbian doesn't mean another character is.<Br /> |
:{{minus}} Just because one character is a lesbian doesn't mean another character is.<Br /> |
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{{plus}}Lust could come before love.<br /> |
{{plus}}Lust could come before love.<br /> |
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{{plus}} In all fairness ''MOST'' of the male fan base would like this...< |
{{plus}} In all fairness ''MOST'' of the male fan base would like this...<br /> |
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:{{minus}} ''Heroes'' was not made to cater to the perverted desires of prepubescent teenagers.<br /> |
:{{minus}} ''Heroes'' was not made to cater to the perverted desires of prepubescent teenagers.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Neither Claire nor Elle are lesbian. |
{{minus}} Neither Claire nor Elle are lesbian.<br /> |
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{{minus}} This storyline would add nothing to the show. It reminds me of what David Mamet calls the "Death of my Kitten" speech.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hopefully, the producers have more respect for ''actual'' lesbians than to concoct this gratuitous subplot.</br> |
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|[[Elle]] is the daughter of [[Meredith]]. ||None. || {{plus}} Meredith, Elle, and [[Claire]] resemble each other.<br /> |
|[[Elle]] is the daughter of [[Meredith]]. ||None. || {{plus}} Meredith, Elle, and [[Claire]] resemble each other.<br /> |
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Theories
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| Elle and Claire are being set up for a lesbian relationship. | The entire episode "Eris Quod Sum". | + I know that NBC ended up retconning Zach to be straight, but I don't think they have those same issues with Kristen Bell and Hayden Panettiere.
+ The double-entendres in the dialog are just too unsubtle to ignore. Even if it doesn't foreshadow anything, I'm pretty sure Tim was having some fun with the idea of it.
- They have more important things to do.
- They are more like sisters (even with the resemblance)
- They don't talk in a flirtatious way, just a normal way, like friends do.
+ It would make the fan-fiction community very happy.
+ Kristen Bell has stated that Elle and Claire share a deep relationship
+ April may have been a love interest for Claire.
+ According to the original casting information, April was meant to be a lesbian. [1]
+ Lust could come before love.
- Neither Claire nor Elle are lesbian. |
| Elle is the daughter of Meredith. | None. | + Meredith, Elle, and Claire resemble each other. - It is noted here that Elle was originally meant to be Meredith's daughter. However, the writers dropped it due to plot holes.
+ Kristen Bell has stated that Elle and Claire share a deep relationship.
• Her power is similar to pyrokinesis, but so far evolved human families rarely share powers.
- Elle stated that she is 24. Meredith is known to be 35. For Elle to be Meredith's daughter she would have been concieved when Meredith was 11, which is highly unlikely and probably too unsavory for a TV show. |
| Elle is Matt Parkman's sister. | None. | + Matt's father has powers and abandoned him. + Matt's father is/was in the company. |
| Elle is related to Niki somehow. | None. | + Just like Claire and Meridith, they all share some resemblance.
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| Elle is the sister of another evolved human with the same ability. | None. | + Many characters with electromagnetic powers are twins, sisters, or something else, representing a positive or a negative energy charge.
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| Elle is the sister of the future agent with a similar ability. | None. | + He would fit as the polar opposite for Elle personality. + Both work for an organization that deals with evolved humans. |
| Elle is the sister of the teenage patient with a similar ability. | None. | + The patient had the power to absorb electricity, while Elle seems to create it. Making their powers fit if they are twins/siblings. |
| Elle started the fire that Meredith and Claire supposedly died in. | None. | + In Four Months Ago..., Elle told Peter that she started a fire at her grandmother's house when she was 6. Elle also said that she was 24, making the incident 18 years ago. This comes within a year of Claire's birth timeline, possible overlapping it if facts are slightly inaccurate. Meredith would have been a reasonably young mother (around 20), and as stated in the graphic novel Hell's Angel she was living in an apartment complex, where many members of the same family can live. If this was Elle's grandmother's residence, Claire and Elle would at least be cousins, if not sisters.
+ Kristen Bell has stated that Elle and Claire share a deep relationship.
- Elle says that she set her grandmother's house on fire (Four Months Ago...). Meredith was Claire's mother, but Elle is older than Claire is. |
| Elle has the ability to emit electromagnetic pulses. | None. | + Noah Bennet was able to describe to Ted Sprague the way to emit an EMP from the perspective of an evolved human. |
| Elle Bishop is the mother of Sylar's son from the future. | None. | - No mention of the identity of Noah's mother was made. Also, Sylar killed Elle's father, so it is unlikely she'd forgive him enough to have sex with him, much less give birth to his son.
- It's likely that Sylar's son will play no further role in the show. As that possible future will be prevented in some way. |
| Elle will become Claire's main enemy. | None. | + They already have a strong dislike for each other. + Other heroes have nemesises such as Hiro vs Daphne, Peter vs Sylar. |
| Elle is currently pregnant. | None. | + Being pregnant may be what is causing her to lose control over her powers.
- As far as we know, Elle hasn't had sexual relations with anyone within the past three months. Though she may have had sexual contact with Peter, it's highly unlikely that he would actually have sex with her, given that he was just using her to escape. |
| Elle's loss of control over her own powers could be related to Peter's loss of his powers. | None. | + Elle's infatuation with Peter and his ability to use her powers (which appears to be his favorite for fighting) could have caused her to inadvertently sync her electrical abilities with his making him the plus to her minus. When he lost his powers, hers went haywire.
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| Elle's loss of control over her own powers could be related to Sylar's attack on her. | None. | + Elle's didn't start to lose her powers until after the fight. Maybe Sylar trying to remove her skull caused her ability to somehow leak out of her. + Claire's powers also began to malfunction immediately after Sylar attacked her.
+ Elle has been through many emotional experiences, this could cause her to loose control of her ability. |
| Elle's power is synthetic and her sudden loss of control is due to the fact that she was injected with an imperfect version of the formula | none |
+ Elle said they did testing on her, also HRG said when she was brought in she was a just a normal girl.
- Elle's ability manifested during her childhood, all characters confirmed to have synthetic abilities manifested only in adulthood.
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| Elle's loss of control of her power was relaited to the Electrical blast that came from her body when Sylar tryed to take her power. | none |
+ As far as we know, Elle has not performed a blast that big since she developed her ability. • She said she caused a blackout in four counties in Ohio when she was eight, this could have been a similar blast that she did when attacked by Sylar. |
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