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Illusion

I think Illusion may be speculative. Yes, he is transforming into his past self, but his past self is also nowhere to be found but in the body of another man. I think we may be seeing a new power, but I don't know what it is, something to the effect of stealing a body. This is also speculation, of course. --Riddler 16:16, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

  • All things considered (including the audio/visual effect being used), it's unlikely it's anything except illusion he's using to alter his own appearance. As for what he did with Peter, it definitely seems like some kind of new ability, but I have no idea what it is or how it works. (Admin 16:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
    • Seems like Future Peter may have met Connie somewhere along the way. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/23/2008 16:35 (EST)
    • Definitely illusion. His clothings change alog with his face. --Barbazul 20:26, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • I'd hold off. Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but it looks like Peter pulls Matt towards him with TK before teleporting him away to Africa. Just noting this for the TK page.--Bob (talk) 00:00, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Peter also morphed from his young scarless self to his more battle-worn and aged self after trying to talk to Nathan. - Arkillion

  • I'm surprised there hasn't been more debate on this, but I really don't think his ability is illusion. Whenever Candice used illusion, her body and her surroundings rippled... but when Peter uses "illusion," it's a very smooth transformation. Like HiroDynoSlayer suggested, I'm willing to bet that his ability is somewhere along the lines of Connie's ability... but personally, I'm at a loss at how to explain how he changed his clothes. I really think this is different from illusion though. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:59, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Actually, I believe this is just him using Matt's power. We saw in the most recent episode how Matt was able to control his power enough to cause an illusion (just like his father could). Thoughts? --Gleezus 14:03, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Change Name

  • The page should be renamed to "Peter Petrelli (Exposed Future)". The current name is so complex...
    • Maybe we should rename the FiveYearsGone!Peter page to, I don't know, Peter Petrelli (Five Years Gone), and change Peter Petrelli (future) (II) to just Peter Petrelli (future). (Scarlet Girl), 25 September 2008, 21:20 (Brasilia time).
      • EDITED: Now I understood what you meant. I agree with you, it's a better way of depicting the future characters... And it seems like there's going to be more future people, of more different futures; it's better to relate each character with the future they come from. (Scarlet Girl), 25 September 2008, 22:30 (Brasilia time).
    • Using the same name for this Peter and for the future Hiro who is killed by Ando would imply that this Peter is from a future where lots of people had powers.

Healing Others

Wasn't it Future Peter who was in the room when Nathan revived? If so, I thought it was his doing and that he has Linderman's power. OUChevelleSS 00:07, 26 September 2008 (EDT)OUChevelleSS

  • Quoting from the healing page: "By his own admission, Linderman cannot "bring back the dead". This apparently means that he cannot heal someone who is clinically dead, even if they have only been dead a short time. Specifically, although none of them had been dead for more than a few minutes, he could not revive members of his special operations unit who were killed in an ambush, nor could he revive Au Co. " --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/29/2008 23:48 (EST)

New Templates

New templates for the powers he mimicked and the powers he has been exposed to should be created just like what has been done for Peter Petrelli & Peter Petrelli (future) (I). --Snow Leapord 22:01, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Future Peter's body power

Thanks to One of Us, One of Them, we know now more about his "body-switching power." It seems that he can fuse together two bodies and persons, defying the laws of space. It seems that one persona will be dominant in mind, and the other, while still conscious, will be dominant only in appearance and evolved human ability, if any.

  • Personally, I have no idea on what this power should be called. Anyone have any ideas? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ]
    • Body/Soul Manipulation comes to mind, but I don't think it's appropriate to assume he is working with a person's soul when changing who has conscious control over the host body. Doesn't explain the violation of the laws of space either. Complete Possession, maybe? ("complete" referring to the fact that the attached person's body (not just their consciousness) is "possessing" the host as well) Can we assume Future Peter can use this ability to control another person himself? GabrielPatrelli 15:40, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Powers Exposed

If we're including The German in powers exposed, shouldn't we also include all of the other escapees, as well as the people that present day Peter has been exposed to on his list (eg - Bob)? Even if we're going with the Peter's not being able to absorb each other's abilities, most of the powers mimicked on Future Peter's page are only assumed because he has them in the present. Stevehim 10:40, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Everything before Nathen got shot was the same for both Peters.--Skywalkerrbf 15:59, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Exposed future not averted

Based on the conversation between Exposed future Peter and present day Peter it sounded to me like that this dark future had not been averted by shooting Nathan. Was the injection getting out always a part of the exposed future? --Snow Leapord 21:11, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

  • This was confirmed in a Behind the Eclipse interview, which...makes no sense whatsoever since Angela mentions that Future Peter caused a butterfly effect by changing the past.--Referos 21:16, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • So let me get this straight the future in which Nathan exposes that some humans have abilities and the ability in a syringe formula gets out but he only goes back in time to stop Nathan? That makes no sense at all. --Snow Leapord 21:21, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yes, according to the writers, the future where Nathan is not shot and reveals the existence of posthumans is the same future where Nathan is shot and does not reveal the existence of posthumans. I know we are supposed to suspend some of our disbelief, but this is simply absurd.--Referos 21:56, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Dead?

How can he be dead since he has Claire's ability? --Snow Leapord 21:17, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

  • The Haitian was nearby, and it seems obvious that his rapid cell regeneration (or more likely, his empathic mimicry) was blocked by The Haitian's mental manipulation long enough for death.--Tim Thomason 21:24, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Nevermind, I guess it was Knox.--Tim Thomason 21:33, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • According to Sylar because he has Claire's ability the two of them can't die. It must have something to do with the inherent nature of Peter's natural ability and the way it is absorbed or used since he has the scar and can die. I really hope they explain this. --Snow Leapord 21:42, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I think that was the Haitian, not Knox...I'll go back and look after the episode. Stevehim 21:44, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was the Haitian (although I don't have the ability to check at the moment). It was such a fleeting glimpse that I assumed I was incorrect when Knox showed up as Claire's partner a couple scenes later. Given that the Haitian did show up with Claire at a later point, I'll assume I was incorrect on my incorrection. As for Sylar, when he said he and Claire had the ability not to die, that wouldn't cover rare instances when their natural ability is taken away (such as by the Haitian).--Tim Thomason 22:06, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Are we sure that the Haitian can even block rapid cell regeneration? Some powers that are inactive cannot be blocked by him, so perhaps Future Peter is waiting for the right time to escape, or the bullets need to be removed. --Horrorman 8:53, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
          • The Haitian just has to block Peter's empathic mimicry... if blocked, Peter cannot use even passive abilities like RCR.--MiamiVolts (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
            • As far as I know their is no confirmation that the Hatian can block empathic mimicry as the ability is in itself passive, The Hatian may have only blocked the active abilities that Peter has, lightning, telekinesis etc. Horrorman 10:08, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
              • Nevermind. Horrorman 10:11, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I'm not sure it's clear that blocking Peter's mimicry blocks his acquired powers as well. Mohinder's comment to Nathan about how Peter's power works indicates (to me), that once he acquires it, it's there for good, regardless of the status of his initial power. That said, the point is relatively moot, since there's no reason to assume the Haitian can't block all powers (including passive ones) and Peter no longer has any of his powers anyway.  ;) --Stevehim 06:11, 13 December 2008 (EST)
  • I'm pretty certain the haitian had something to do with it. At first i thought maybe special bullets from Claire's gun that like may have killed future peter. I thought that until claire said to peter later in that episode "it doesnt have to be like this, all you have to do is take one bullet to the back of head" (or something to that extend, not sure word for word)... with that in mind, FPeter being shot in the chest--dead... Peter needs to be shot in the back of the head to die... with that being said i think the haitian had to be there for peter to die but the second he left i would assume peter would heal (much like peter in season 1 with the glass in the back of his head)--Pbmarcano 19:53, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
    • That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm thinking they screwed up on this one... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:08, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Could it be possible that no one simply removed the bullets out of him? I mean he probably doesn't have a high level of skill with the ability so someone may need to remove the bullets. I mean an explosion couldn't kill Peter, how could he die for good, by guns. Horrorman 22:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • F-Claire could have easily put a a glass shard or something else in the back of his head, just like was in there in ep 1.19, no? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:26, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I would think Peter had a very high level of control over all of his powers at that point. From what we've seen, he's got about as much control as anyone else in the show (future peter, that is). I was even kinda surprised that those shots to the chest would kill him so quickly, considering the wounds we've seen others sustain (eg - Matt's in Kirby Plaza, which was roughly the same). That said, it's true that additional measures could've been taken to insure his incapacitation, as SacValleyDweller suggested. I'd just like them to acually tell us that (and, more importantly, give us a definitive, canonical answer on the whole 'kill-a-regen' issue that explains all the apparent contradictions  ;)). Stevehim 00:35, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Generally I think that the Haitian did it, because that's the first time Peter has been killed while the Haitian is around. And it caused permanent death. --DocM 05:46, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I think the Haitian is a red herring. In the first episode where FPeter (exposed) comes back we see Claire alone, who seems pretty confident that she can kill peter with the gun. We know the haitian isn't present because Fpeter freezes time. I find it very unlikely that the Haitian can block Peter's empathic mimicry as he was unable to block Peter's use of invisibilty or telekinesis in Unexpected --Wikinite 15:57, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Ok, i have a new theory. Peter today have lost all his powers, right? So maybe, Future Peter lost them too, and used the formula to get his powers back. But did not get claire's power back for some reason? This might explain why he died... Just a theory, and it's full of holes, so please, give me reasons why it isn't so, because i think it is pretty loose. --Acolyt3 05:38, 13 December 2008 (EST)
    • But there were incidents during which Future Peter encountered Future Claire (Resistance, for example). --Ricard Desi 11:24, 13 December 2008 (EST)

This is such a controversial subject that started the majority of the loopholes in season 3. It pissed me off and I wish the writers just put in a decent explanation for this. The best one so far is that somehow due to some unforescene force, Future Peter lost his abilities when he came back to the present. The Haitian has never been shown to block regenerative powers before so to think he can block something that happens so unconsciously is questionable especially when regeneration works when the person is unconscious or close to death (when Claire almost died in Season 1). Let's also try to explain Nathan's revival while we are at it because that screams loophole. --Bunnyblaster 03:34, 24 December 2008

  • The writers stated that Nathan was just lucky to survive (we've seen others survive bullet wounds before). We can't asusme that the Haitian's power doesn't affect something unless we see him definitively try to use it and it not work, and the only time that has occurred was with Arthur. However, that was due to him trying to block too many powers at once (or Arthur being too powerful), not some ability being immune to his power. His power inhibits those of other evolved humans, and so we have to assume it appies to every single power until it is shown otherwise. I assume it was a simple mistake (I make plenty of them myself), but please try to remember to sign your posts, and please don't alter my signature. Thanks.  :) --Stevehim 23:22, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Mental Manipulation

FuturePeter seems to have admitted to using this power on Claire in one of the latest Graphic Novels (Resistance). He tells her that he won't "make her forget" this time. Is this a good enough confirmation that Peter has exhibited The Haitian's mental manipulation ability? GabrielPatrelli 10:48, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
I am going to go ahead and say yes. I mean he does clearly state that so sure. Horrorman 13:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Why are we assuming he used mental manipulation to do this and not telepathy? We know he had the latter power already, so it seems more of a stretch to give him a new power that hasn't been stated than to attribute his act to something he already has. --Stevehim 17:13, 14 December 2008 (EST)
    • Because Mental manipulation is frequently associated with "making people forget" things, and that is specifically how FuturePeter described what he did to Claire? We know he's used abilities in the Haitian's presence before (Deveaux rooftop, stopping the taser needles); is it that much of a stretch to think that he could have absorbed the Haitian's power then (or at another instance)? GabrielPetrelli 09:01, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Magnetism From The Terrorist?

The events of the most recent GN, "Resistance," happened before the events of Season 3 (TV show) happened, right? Then I'd think that this future's Peter would've been exposed to and would've absorbed Magnetism from the member of the terrorist cell in this GN first (before being even exposed to The German). -- prander 10:55, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

  • you are right.--Skywalkerrbf 11:01, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The events of Resistance happened between modern day heroes and I am Become Death. So Peter would likely have gotten it from The German first. --Matchu 00:20, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The novel didn't say that's when the events happened, but that's our current assumption.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:04, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
      • It said they happened "three years in the future". Which is after our current timeline but before the "four years" of "I am become Death" --Matchu 02:06, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Yes, but they didn't clarify if it was our Peter aged three years or Future Peter (the one who gets killed); we're assuming the latter is true.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:28, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Another perhaps more pertinent point is can Peter absorb the abilities of those who've died? --Matchu 21:03, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Future Peter w/ Hiro's mother's ability?

Using Episode 301, The Second Coming, as a source. Future Peter (in Peter's form) kisses Nathan's forehead shortly after Nathan dies. Nathan, then, is revived. A similar moment was done when Hiro's mother kissed Hiro on the forehead healing his memory. Did anyone else encounter this? So far, I'm the only one with knowledge or theory of this.--IXenon 21:31, 13 December 2008 (EST)

When did Peter ever come into contact with Ishi? Also, the writers have stated that when Nathan survived, he was just lucky... no healing or anything. Quite an unsatisfactory answer for me, but what can you do... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:56, 13 December 2008 (EST)
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