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You're supposed to move the spoiler page to the despoiled page... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:57, 24 November 2008 (EST)

  • True. However, rather than deleting this page's history to move the spoiler page's history here, I just created a redirect. The spoiler page's history was completely spoiler stuff, so though it's normally good to save the history, it doesn't matter too much if we don't. For anybody interested in the history of the page before, see here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ability

What was it that the Haitian said exactly about his power? I missed what he said. --Golden Monkey 00:01, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • I believe he said his skin is impenetrable. He said it couldn't be penetrated by knives, fire, or bullets. See impenetrable skin. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)
    • That line reminded me of the trials of Hercules. If Samedi hasn't lost his power, I'm betting someone strangles him (kinda like what Sylar did to Michael F.) --Yamawhata? 16:28, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Guillame

Isn't saying Guillame is his father speculation? There has been no confirmation he fathered the Haitian and Guillame, they could be half-siblings for all we know. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 05:31, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • I kinda see it backwards on the speculation. When someone is revealed as a sibling, unless something is presented to cause the audience to doubt they have different parentage; the less speculative and common understanding is that they do have the same parentage. Why speculate they don't if nothing has been said that they have different parents?

    • What is more speculative (with no evidence pro/con) that two brothers have the same parents, or that two brothers have different parents? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/25/2008 11:51 (EST)
      • I still think that until there's confirmation, we shouldn't list Samedi as Guillame's child, we waited until there was confirmation Sylar was Arthur's son, we should do the same with Guillame and Samedi. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:08, 25 November 2008 (EST)
        • That was done with Sylar because originally he was introduced as Virginia Gray's son. This is distinctly different. We have no reason as of now to doubt they share the same parents. Also, reread HDS's comment. It is significantly more speculative that they are NOT both Guillame's children. Ricard Desi 15:26, 25 November 2008 (EST)
          • I have re-added Guillame as a parent, as there is zero evidence to doubt that he is Samedi's father. If there is evidence introduced, then it'll be another story. Ricard Desi 15:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)
        • I say we just wait for his AT. All the other on-show escapees have had them, so when a GN is released about Samedi I'm betting we get a password and a profile for him, especially considering how readily the last three profiles have been released (or in Elle's case, semi-released). -- FlamingTomDude 2:26, 29 November 2008 (EST)
    • I agree with Intuitive Empath. This is the same situation as with Sylar and Arthur, and we waited until it was confirmed that they were related before adding that. Virginia Gray doesn't really enter into it, because she was introduced as Sylar's mother, and we already had information counter to that (ie - that Angela was his mother). So, since we didn't suppose Arthur was the father upon learning that Angela was Sylar's mother, so too should we not assume that Guillame is the Baron's father simply because he and the Haitian are brothers (we also didn't even assume Arthur was the father after it had been revealed that Peter was his brother, iirc, and was discussed here). This really should be changed back. --Stevehim 12:51, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I'm so glad this was cleared. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:55, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Wouldn't the writers' comments imply that the Haitian and Samedi are half-brothers? Otherwise, it's not really 'sleeping around.' --Stevehim 12:45, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Not sure if this is relevant, but did anyone catch how when Baron Samedi was talking about one of the young Haitian girls to Nathan, he quipped, "It is not her choice to decide if she is happy, or sad". This sounds suspiciously like an EXACT description of Guillame's power, no? I feel like that line was more then coincidence... Thelink 13:34, 6 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think he means its not her choice if she gets raped or not and is shipped off to slavery or not.

Nice catch... probably an easter egg for those who follow the GN, kinda like the "it might be Nathan" in Playing with Fire. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:47, 6 December 2008 (EST)

What happened to Samedi?

I think it's probably too early to say for sure, but I get the feeling the Haitian actually killed Samedi. Nathan says nobody should have to make the kind of sacrifice the Haitian did, which could be interpreted as having killed his brother. Coupled with the way they kill the new villains off so fast, I think the good Baron may be no more. --Stevehim 15:13, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Either that or he's in the same state as the Haitian's village after he manifested. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)
I personaly think that the Haitain just wiped his mind clean. I doubt he could kill with his power so he's probably in the same state as the Haitain's village. I think Nathan meant that the Haitian pretty much sacrificed his brother by wiping his mind completly. It was probably like he did to Brody but worse, probably closer (or exactly like) what he accidently did to his village.
I think he either wiped all of his memories or used his ability to basically make Samedi brain dead. --Powermimic 01:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)
I think its basicaly the same thing: when he accidently wiped his villiage of memories they were all pretty much brain dead. I think he did that to him.

The Butterfly Effect

Demetrius Grosse was credited for The Butterfly Effect, and rewatching the episode, Baron Samedi is seen escaping Level 5 just prior to Eric Doyle. Screenshot: Samedi302.jpg --Pierre 09:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Nice catch. I suppose we can add this appearance to Episode:The Butterfly Effect and Baron Samedi now, no? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 09:58, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Excellent! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Since he appear in three episode, should we put him in the Season Three Recurring Characters category? User: Jethap

I have addressed this at Talk:Portal:Recurring Characters/Season Three. --Pierre 11:04, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Half-brothers

I mentioned it earlier, but figure I'll restate it in it's own section. If we're assuming that Guillame is Samedi's father based on the BTE interview, doesn't that imply the Haitian and Samedi are half-brothers (ie - Guillame 'sleeping around' coupled with the Haitian not knowing about him implies that Samedi had a different mother than the Haitian)? I know it's a relatively minor detail, but it does seem (to me) that that's what the writers were saying, and thus should be noted. --Stevehim 13:21, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Status

Just for the sake of it, could we list Samedi as "incapacitated" in the brackets of character and power pages, like this: "Baron Samedi (incapacitated)"? We list deceased, we could also list incapacitated, since this is a rather unique condition in the show, to let people know he's not active anymore in the "at a glance" look at infoboxes. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 07:20, 5 January 2009 (EST)