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Society's Purpose

I'm wondering if The Deveaux Society is like an Order of the Phoenix from the Harry Potter series since it appears that Claude has known about other Heroes before. Bkdelong 13:22, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • Personally, I think the Deveaux Society, if anything comes of it, will be like (or connected to) the Linderman Group. I think Charles and Linderman were closely connected, either in purpose or by relationship. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:27, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • I read that quite literally, and have now discovered my Heroes 'ship: Charles/Linderman. Chinderman, for short.--Hardvice (talk) 13:40, 12 February 2007 (EST)
      • Any relation to Charles Lindbergh? Ooh, a missing baby episode is just what we need! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • True - it can't be entirely coincidental that Simone already seems to have a relationship with Linderman as well. speaking of which, who "publishes" Issac's comic book? Bkdelong 14:03, 12 February 2007 (EST)
      • Isaac publishes 9th Wonders! himself. (See the back page of the comic.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2007 (EST)
        • Uncle Burk's Fine Comics ... probably named after his good ol' Uncle Burk Linderman.--Hardvice (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2007 (EST)
          • Actually, we're both correct: he publishes the comics himself under his old Uncle Burk's name, according the back page. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2007 (EST)
          • I could have sworn Simone was bitching at him that the comic book was late to the publishers in one episode.


No more Deveaux's left in the Society?

  • So, what do we want to do with this page, now that the last surviving Deveaux (Simone) was just killed off before anything about the Deveaux Society was introduced? Unless something happens in the next two episodes, this thing's not very canon. --Orne 09:39, 23 February 2007 (EST)
    • Well, it kind of fits in the same category as the Engineer, right? It's a scrapped part of production. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:47, 23 February 2007 (EST)
      • It isn't proven that she is dead yet, either. If it had been, her article here would call her deceased and so forth. Plus numerous places say "two more appearances" so perhaps one has to do with the Deveaux Society and one has to do with Peter's Visions? -Zeckalpha 19:56, 24 February 2007 (EST)

"Deveaux"

So am I correct in thinking that this is pronounced "Dev oh?" That's only a long "e" from "Devo," which is short for "Devolution." It may be an Easter Egg ;) --ChickenArise 16:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That's correct. "Deveaux" is pronounced as "Dev oh". Peter gave us the pronunciation of his name when he told Nathan "Charles Deveaux died this morning." in Nothing to Hide.--Ice Vision 16:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Lead Image

  • We have no idea whether Charles and/or Simone are involved in this so-far entirely hypothetical society. (In other words, Simone but not Charles could be a member, or Charles but not Simone could be a member, or both. Neither is confirmed.) This image is misleading.--Hardvice (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
    • So far it's a named group only by the writers and cast in interviews, and they've confirmed that Simone and Charles were re-surnamed so they could have the Deveaux society. That's the best information we have. Also, it's a dead group, but it's likely that it will be revived next season when we get a better look at the "generations" of the past.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:31, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Well, yes. It's confirmed that at least either Charles or Simone was a member leading to the rename, but not necessarily both (and thus neither one is individually confirmed to be a member).--Hardvice (talk) 16:34, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
      • And actually, considering the fact that the Society has still never been mentioned in the show, we don't really know that either Simone or Charles is necessarily a member or leader. For all we know, it's named for Simone's mother, or heretofore unmentioned brother, or third cousin, or whatever. All we know is that the desire to name the group "the Deveaux Society" prompted them to change Charles and Simone's surname from Deveraux to Deveaux. That doesn't necessarily mean that either is the Deveaux family member responsible for the Society. It's all very much unconfirmed--heck, even the group's existence is unconfirmed, hence the spoiler tag.--Hardvice (talk) 16:42, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Remove from Portal:Named Groups

Point taken, Hardvice. So I think we should we remove this article, then, from the list of named groups... especially since it's still a spoiler that the group ever existed. LOL. Any objection?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I think it's OK to leave it. It's not really a "spoiler" in the sense that "Peter will kill Claire and dance in her entrails" is a spoiler; it's just based entirely on unaired info, but nothing's really spoiled. Either way, really.--Hardvice (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
    • It just looks out of place. I guess it's fine to stay since we're going to update it next season.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Frustration

Okay, so I'm really frustrated. There's a lot of whitespace between template:noimage and template:infobox group. I tried about everything I know to try: I took out all superfluous spacing in both templates, I cut out any spacing in this article, I tried adding a picture, taking away the spoiler, whatever. Nothing works. More frustratingly, this version looks better (not right, but better). When I tried to change it to a better version with identical code, it said I made a change to the leaders line. Huh? Doesn't look like it to me. Anyway, I'm frustrated. Can somebody see if they can fix the spacing issue? Thanks! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:47, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Sources

Does anyone have sources for this entry? Where did the name "Deveaux Society" come from? Do we have any information on who were members? It looks like there is a fan site theory here on this page and that is it, and it sounds like we have 2 hypothetical members (Simone and Charles) and that is all. Tsarin 15:56, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Read the Notes section. Oliver Grigsby, a Heroes staffer, mentioned that the reason Simone's name was changed from "Deveraux" to "Deveaux" was so they could have the "Deveaux Society" (presumably, either the name is somehow significant, or they couldn't get legal clearance for "Deveraux Society"). That, and one interview with Tawny Cypress, and one of CBR's Behind the Eclipse interviews with writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite are the only times it's been mentioned. So it's really three mentions by Heroes insiders, which makes it just a spoiler that may or may not ever come to fruition.--Hardvice (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Delete?

I'm thinking it is time to delete this article... Pierre 12:03, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I half agree with you. I think there should be some way for us to document and archive information about projects and ideas that were started but never came to fruition. Thinks like the Deveaux Society and Heroes: Origins would fit into that category. Maybe they wouldn't even be spoiler articles, but just a separate category under Category:Heroes for ideas that never came to pass. I mean, there are certainly people who are still coming here searching for "Heroes: Origins", so we should definitely retain some information about it. Of course, we would have t set criteria for what would be included and what wouldn't. Not every spark of an idea that the writers come up with needs its own article, of course. But certainly announced projects like Origins or the Deveaux Society need some documenting. The alternate ending for Season Two could probably be documented since it was very much a plan that was in effect, but was cut short by the writers strike. Perhaps even deleted scenes--since they were cast, filmed, and even released on DVDs--should go into that category...I'm just thinking out loud here... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:43, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
    • IMO, the right way to go by debunked storylines, is to treat them the same way as we treat cut scenes; in the Note section of proper articles (in this case Simone Deveaux). Regardin Origins, I definitely think we ought to keep Heroes: Origins, but include valid ex-spoilers in that article (since the project is off there really are no differences between spoilers and official details about them, except maybe that ex-spoilers might deserve to have better quotations.Pierre 14:19, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
        • I like this idea. I think that if it's television material and it's not aired, it belongs in a notes section. I think with Origins, it should be put on the Season Two page, which I think it already is. It's also on the Heroes page, so notes about productions, including Origins, are documented. I know we certainly aren't short on space for unnecessary pages, but again, they're unnecessary. But I like this idea.--Bob (talk) 14:27, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I think that we should keep everything that didn't make it into the main show. Think about the unaired pilot, we have about 20 articles about it, I think that one about this isn't too bad. I also think the alternate ending and deleted scenes deserve pages, and mayby we need a new portal for all this stuff.
        • There's also the original version of Genesis, where the Petrellis were once the Cambells, and Isaac Mendez's last name was Medina...There's lots of good info we could really expound upon. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:55, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

No longer a spoiler?

Did I miss something? When was the Deveaux Society mentioned in an episode or elsewhere??? I've seen no citations saying that the idea was ever scrapped, either.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2008 (EST)

  • It wasn't. It's a scrapped idea, kind of like Elle's pregnancy or the episode 1977. No citations are necessary when it's been two years and all associated people are dead. Personally, I think we should just get rid of the page. It doesn't really belong in spoilers, it doesn't fit very well in production, and it certainly isn't a group. We don't really have articles for scrapped ideas--we usually treat those with a mention in the notes sections of appropriate pages. I'd rather see this page as a redirect, and the information mentioned on Charles Deveaux#Notes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2008 (EST)
    • Agreeing with Ryan - a spoiler is something that is going to happen in the series. This article contains no such details. I would prefer this entire article to be deleted thou (see my post above), and - following Ryan's suggestion - include it in a the trivia section of Charles Deveaux. --Pierre 19:33, 13 December 2008 (EST)
    • I agree with the deletion idea; either it's still a spoiler or it should be deleted. I don't see why we would make an assumption that just because something hasn't been used yet in a couple years, it's a scrapped idea. I'll add that the two known characters using the society's name being dead now doesn't mean the society didn't ever exist or that it couldn't still exist with a non-Deveaux at the helm; and given the show's tendency to travel around in time, it's very possible it could one day become part of the story. Isn't that what spoilers are for--speculation about what may still be shown in the series?--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2008 (EST)
      • I'll afd it so it can be discussed. Keep in mind that this page was created during a time when the wiki was young and didn't have very strong policies yet. There's also no reason to believe that the Deveaux Society is any more a part of Heroes or Heroes spoilers than Richard Schiff, Sophie, or Officer McKinzie. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2008 (EST)
        • Actually, the Richard Schiff, Sophie and Officer McKinzie were Volume-specific spoilers. They were actors/characters who were rumored to appear in Volume 3, but that didn't happen so they are valid deletions, imho. The Deveaux Society didn't have any specific volume reference or connotation to it that I know of.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)
          • There's still no reason to believe it's a spoiler, and there's really no reason for the page to exist at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)
            • The sources given two years ago are those we used to document it as a spoiler. Are you claiming now that they were not valid enough sources so we should never have considered this a spoiler to begin with?--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)
              • I don't think it's a spoiler anymore. Whether or not it was when Heroe created the article back in 2006 doesn't matter. It probably was during the first season. It's not anymore. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:15, 13 December 2008 (EST)
                • I think it matters whether it was a season or series specific spoiler. I'll see if I can get Heroe to comment on it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:16, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I fail to see how it is relevant if a spoiler is tied to a volume or not. If Richard Schiff's character was known to have been pushed forward to a later date (e.g. Volume 4), I don't think there would be anyone objecting to keep it. The same goes for this article - if there were any indication that the idea had been pushed forward, and not cut, we most definitely should keep it. But there isn't.
Delete. Now. --Pierre 10:16, 15 December 2008 (EST)

So, I (HERΟ at 9thW) was asked to make a comment about the Deveaux Society "spoiler" from Heroe way back when. That submission wasn't from me, however, I was active at 9thW when Ollie posted that teaser-y info. You can see the silly speculations in this thread and that thread, but no, I'm not Heroe. Obviously, with this entry, I'm 'ROESian (though I also registered 'roesian so others wouldn't take it as a copycat).

But yeah, the Deveaux Society info ceased to be such a spoilery tidbit when the writers went another direction with the storylines. I was also the ones labeled as "Hero" and "Heroes" in the top 2 questions in this Tawny Cypress interview (questions numbered as 8 & 9), if ya wanted to know a little bit more about Charles' story initially. Hope that helps, fwiw; I just like to keep a record o' things, like the Devereaux/Devere/Deveaux name change, just to show the process tptb went through, kinda like the fun in seein' War/Duality/Duel/Dual, even if the info is no longer relevant. 'ROESian

  • To be honest, I thought this got deleted a long time ago. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 17:12, 15 December 2008 (EST)
    • Thanks Hero! and 'Roesian for your inputs! I was the one who asked. Now, since no one else seems interested in keeping this as a spoiler, I recommend that we delete it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:32, 15 December 2008 (EST)