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Draph was in Istory

Draph was the crossover of Slow Burn 706. He was the character on the cover of the istory. He is legitmate and should be put in the main namespace. Moreover, he was listed as a wanted character.

WTF?

Am I the only one who finds this character to be (putting it politely) out of place? Not to discredit the creator, but the iStory writers really should not have put this character into the story. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:50, 4 November 2009 (EST)

I don't get it

If there's already a mimic in the carnival, why would Samuel want Peter or Sylar? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Draph isn't from the carnival. Or is he? I don't follow the iStories, all I know about them is what I see in the articles here. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:13, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • Oops, my bad, he really isn't... But he's friends with Josh Davis and Chris Bowman, he's pretty close to being noticed by Samuel and then recruited. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Gammar

As you all know gammar is not my strong point and that I write that most of you feel is not needed but shouldn't a serial comma should go in after ability, as it is talking about two abilities, rather than Claircognizance being a power mimicry. "Senna then realized that he knew claircognizance was his ability, and that he had inherited some sort of power mimicry."[50000JH 16:06, 6 November 2009 (EST)]

  • I don't believe a comma is necessary there.

Claircognizance and "the power mimicry" are 2 different abilities.[50000JH 15:58, 7 November 2009 (EST)]

Canonicity versus Fan Creation

I think that we need to make a point of only including information relayed as part of the iStory as being canon (particularly because any aspect of the Heroes: Survival site can be changed at any time). Only the information presented by the writers themselves is technically canon. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:09, 8 November 2009 (EST)

  • Totally agree. daevon 23:25, 8 November 2009 (EST)
    • The head honcho, RGS, has been to the Draph page, at least a few times, and everything that is there is alright to be there. Draphoenix 11:41, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • Just to clarify, Ryan is an administrator. The head honcho here is Admin. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Sketches

Aren't the "elements" that classify Draph's abilities a little sketchy? Air is defined as "invisible interactions with matter and things". The issue I have with this (besides "things" being essentially a less scientific word for "matter") is that telekinesis is placed under it, but it could also arguably be placed under fire, which is defined as "energy manipulation/generation". Telekinesis cannot be seen (thus being invisible), making it air, but also generates kinetic energy outside of the body, making it fire. Water is defined as "enhancing the innate capabilities of one's brain", but to me, water is well.... water. Phoenix mimicry makes sense under fire and it's a slight strech to put telekinesis under air (for the aforementioned reasons and others), telepathy makes little sense being placed under water. Also, the page mentions that his abilities are in accordance with classical elements, but I've never heard of the "void" element. I know the character is permanent but is it possible to redefine the elements we have for his powers?

Also, as a note to the user that created Draph, I have no issue with the character himself, I don't really have an issue with his abilities either, it's just the way the origins and details of his abilities are explained that gets to me. The whole "he has claircognizance but also ability replication that's really not ability replication but something else closely related because of an emotional connection with his unborn fetal twin as well as having six different names" sounds a little ridiculous if read aloud.--PJDEP 02:31, 22 November 2009 (EST)

  • I appreciate your comments. The reason 'ability replication' is elementally based is because every show I have ever been into has had elements attributed to them. Yu-gi-oh, Naruto, Pokemon, etc. (even captain planet!) So I have always have been conscience to some sort of elemental structure. The reason they are as they are is because of mohinder's theory that abilities have elemental attributes. But in most elemental philosophies there are five, air, earth, fire, water, and some sort of void, lightning, etc. Draphoenix 00:50, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • Also, dont view it as "he has claircognizance but also ability replication that's really not ability replication but something else closely related because of an emotional connection with his unborn fetal twin as well as having six different names" but rather as "he has claircognizance but acquired a form of ability replication through empathy"Draphoenix 00:52, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • It's worst. You mean he has an empathic way to absorb powers AND a touching way ? Moreover, you can't just state your elemental limit while it has been mentionned once on the show but never went there. What's the element for Super Speed, the element of lie detection etc... ? For ability replication then ? And how many abilities can he absorb by empathy ? And excuse me but I personally have a problem with a fetus able to empathize. But that's OK. You know Sylar can absorb power by accessing his own empathy, thus without touching, removing their brain, nor understanding their abilities (that's why he doesn't master completely the powers he takes in an empathic way, as demonstrated with Elle and shapeshifting), so linking Draph's mimicry to ability replication just because it's touch based, despite he can acquire empathicly some abilities and have limitation that the show never implied, and will never have for that said power, is kinda weird, in my opinion.--Kleith 07:43, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • Kleith, you sound unnecessarily antagonistic and argumentative. The character Draph is in a somewhat unique position because though his character was only seen for a relatively small amount of time in the iStory, he has a very "large" and complex power. We only saw a bit of what he can do. The Heroes: Survival profile off of which Draph was based gives a lot more details on what Draph can do. However, I don't expect the character or the ability to bee 100% fully defined. Whatever information Draphoenix is able to provide is much appreciated. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:05, 23 November 2009 (EST)
        • Thank you RGS. The best way to think of Draph is along similar lines like Sylar. Claricognizance is simialr to Intuitive Aptituide, the ability to know versus understand. As for him getting a form of Ability replication, it was through a special bond the twins would have had. Empathy is used to best describe the relationship. Draph's absorbion of other powers is limited to ability replication. He is not like sylar in the fact he can absorb more powers without killing, with Sylar, or touching, as in Draph. Draph cannot form that special bond that he would have had with his twin to anyone else. The elemental theory has been discussed in other forms as well. Activating evolution had its own set of five categories of power.
          Super Speed, since it deals with the body would be earth. Lie detection would be either water or void. It depends on how it is conducted. If it origonates in the brain, then it would be water. if not, it would be void. Draphoenix 11:20, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Mary Sue?

Draphoneix, would you say your character is a bit of a mary sue? If not, why do you think so? Do you think Draph would fit in on the show? I'm curious about your character, and would like to know some of your opinions on him. --Piemanmoo 23:26, 25 November 2009 (EST)

  • I would say that if anything is Mary Sue, it would be phoenix mimicry. But the reason phoenix mimicry is there is because of the whole mythology of the phoenix, overcoming and what not.
    Here is the problem people have had with Draph, he is a complex character that burst onto the scene with almost no one reading his profile before bashing him. To understand why he is the way he is needs to be carefully fleshed out. His orginal ability is Claircognizance. Its like spidy sense and a google search into one. The reason Draph had this ability orginally was because he is a professor and needs to be knowledgable, thus matching up to his character. But, he also was granted a form of ability mimicry. This was not done to make him powerful, but to give him a challenge to overcome. Draph feels guilty about his power. And that is the driving force behind his character, his struggle with his ability. The show has had many mimics, Arther Petrelli, Peter, that aura girl, Sylar, having another mimic is not a crazy thing to have. He felt so guilty about his extra-power, that he made a promise to never use his mimiced powers. However, he broke that promise to use telekinesis, from his grandmother, as a way to remember this special person in his life. Throughout most of his backstory, he only used telekinesis and claircognizance. But because of his promise, he was unable to save the person he loved, Maria. At this point, Draph may be powerful, but all the power in the world was not able to save this person. His 'mary sue' power was not to make him powerful and awesome, it was to show that powers are not what matters in life. To show that there is no point in having all the powers in the world if you do not have a person to share it with. Each of the abilities his has shown in istory can be traced back to something influential in his life as well. Phoenix Mimicry came from the person who trained him and allowed him to get over his guilt and the loss of Maria. Telepathy came from Sophia, Maria's little sister. And Telekinesis came from his grandmother. What people got was this powerful character all at once, but his evolution would have taken longer than most charactor's in the shows. He got his powers, felt guilty and formed a promise with himself to not use his powers, broke his promise to honor his grandmother, lose maria, suffer, then finally overcome her loss.
    in the end, I just want people to view Draph as what is semi-canon. He is a student of philosophy who is a mimic possessing the ability to make blue flames, telepathy, and telekinesis.
    Draphoenix 00:26, 26 November 2009 (EST)
    • Unfortunately, I don't believe the reason people have a problem with him is that he is complex. I believe the problem is that he appears broken, and in such a way that it effectively negates a critical aspect of the show's canon (that ability replication is limited to a single replicated power, no more). In addition to this, one power in particular (phoenix mimicry) is actually several powers lumped into one. Now my question is, why would he feel guilty about his power, to the point where he would refuse to use the power? And in addition, if he happened to have several powers, why would he (or anyone for that matter) not do anything in their power to save the person they love? Who is this other crazy-powerful person with phoenix mimicry that trained him, and why did he get trained? Guilt is something that a person gets over on their own, it doesn't get "trained out" of you. It's not that Draph is complex. I mean, hell, some of the characters in the show are impossibly complex. It's that the pieces don't fit. And the powers are too huge. And too many. And honestly, too bizarre. Getting a power from an unborn twin is about as bizarre as it gets. And the "Guy becomes strong, guy loses someone close, guy overcomes personal problem, guy gets stronger" is a very common, cliché character development. The way Draph reads is very much as a Mary-Sue. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 00:51, 26 November 2009 (EST)
      • Those all have answers in the story I set up in Heroes Survival. However, I am tired of continuely lowering myself to answer you guys who are too lazy to find out stuff on your own and too critial of something so small. So what if my character is 'mary sue,' I didn't even know that existed until recently. You are all upset about something that One) isn't canon, 2) isn't even semi-canon 3) but is something that is part of a profile on a game. Moreover, I never claimed to be some fantasic fan-fiction writer. Frankly, it is quite a pathetic endeavor if you guys are taking it this seriously. In the end, the only thing you guys have ground to be critical of is what is semi-canon. There is a student of philosophy named Draph. He is a mimic. He can produce blue flames, has telepathy, and telekinesis. And because he was a cross-over character, he will never be seen again. Unless you guys have a problem with this, then keep your insignificant compliants to yourself. PS, keep in mind that I wanted to switch Draph's ability to Pyrokinesis! I switched it! It is no longer in my power so stop blaming me for something that I have no control over. Draphoenix 13:10, 26 November 2009 (EST)
        • There is one more thing I would like to add. Even if Draph is Mary Sue, I don't care at this point. Peter, Sylar (Considering Sylar CANNOT DIE), and others are very Mary Sue along your guy's critiques, and they are my favorite characters in the show. So good for me! The one thing that has yet to be resolved however is the inherieting the power from his twin. If you look up Vanishing Twin or chimera, it is perfecting acceptable for a twin to be absorbed by the mother or other twin. In this case, Draph absorbed his twin and his ability. Pardon me for making it more mysterious and less graphic than I could have. "A vanishing twin is a fetus in a multi-gestation pregnancy which dies in utero and is then partially or completely reabsorbed by the mother or twin." Perfectly scientifically justified on my part. It just happened that an Ability came into play with Draph. And, Draph felt guilty for the simple reason that his power was not truely his. Draph's power was Claircognizance, so he used that. But since AR was acquired unjustly in his mind, he didn't want to be a part of it. A simple reason to feel guilty. And the events of Maria's death are unknown, so we don't know exactly what happened, but it is implied that if Draph used his other abilities, then things might have been different. If that is something you guys cannot understand, then your simple-mindedness is something I pity. Draphoenix 14:51, 26 November 2009 (EST)
          • You seem to be getting very defensive Draphoenix. Nobody is saying that the character of Draph is bad, it's just that some of what was shown about him (phoenix mimcry being a bunch powers, his base power being a form of omniscience, ect) was slightly weak in terms of storytelling. I think the chacter's backstory is very well put together, and I am impressed that the small changes you made to him have made it a much more appricable character in terms of the heroes universe. But I think there are a few things you must first realize. 1) People are not bashing your online game profile, just the part of him shown in the istory, without the rest of the character's biography to flesh out his background makes him look mary-sue, when if you look at the character as a whole he is really not. Nobody is saying the character itself is bad, just the few snippits of him that we've seen on the istory doesnt give him enought coverage to show more character detail, you know? 2)Changing PM to pyrokinesis was probably the best thing you've done for your character, and it's true that mimics are almost inherently mary sue, you've managed to put limits on his powers in the form of self-imposed limitations on himself. In the end, I think your character is good, and that a few things should be cleared up about him because of what we've seen. I dont care to trudge through the giant clusterfuck of Talk:Phoenix mimicry, but I am still not sure why it's there if you decided to change it to pyrokinesis. Since the character is yours, the power is therefore yours as well, and you should be able to edit it as you please. If someone tells you you can't change it because it's already "locked in" to the istory canoon, tell them to go to hell and change it anyways. It takes a lot to change something you spent a great deal of time working on, and I think that's admirable of you for doing so in order to keep the Heroes Canon to a higher bar (even if stupid shit like spider mimicry has already weakend it somewhat). Also, I had another quick question. As Draph is a professor, exactly how old is he? It's hard to tell in the image, but he appears a bit young. --Piemanmoo 19:58, 26 November 2009 (EST)
          • Just a quick note: As someone who is a result of a vanishing twin, I do appreciate the clever use of such in your character's history. The absorbing of a power in the womb is a bit iffy, but in general, I'm glad it's been thought of as a character trait. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:33, 26 November 2009 (EST)
          • I would, however, add that there is one particular aspect of Draph's guilt that is missing. Guilt is generally a result of fault. It would be fairly inconceivable for someone to feel guilt over something that happened in the womb, when they literally did not have conscious control over themselves (and certainly not over the life or death of his unborn twin). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:12, 26 November 2009 (EST)