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Everything You Had On You

There is no explicit contradiction between Ricky's statment that the box contains, "everything you had on you when we found you" and that the box was not shown during their first meeting in (Four Months Later...). Ricky did not say that they found the box on or with Peter. Ricky or one of his crew could have put what they found in Peter's pockets in a box.

Why it looks kind of fancy, I do not know. I'd have pulled out an old shoe box to store the stuff off a guy who beat me to a grab job. -- FissionChips 12:21, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Right, the box didn't have to be there at their first meeting. What I saw that seemed contradictory, is that in their supposed first meeting, they come across Peter, and he blasts them away with the electricty bolt. In their first meeting, he didn't go unconscious for them to search his pants or belongings. If they had found him prior to that meeting, there is a contradiction. Nothing in the first episode shows or even eludes to the idea that Peter emptied his pockets and willfully gave his stuff to them after lightning bolting them. So there seems to be some level of contradicition to how/when they met, and how/when they got control over Peter's posessions. Personally I believe the box is empty and just a ruse, and Ricky knows of Peter's name by some other choice. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/5/2007 12:26 (EST)
    • Peter was unconscious when he was tied into the chair, so between the container scene and the beginning of Lizards, Peter was rendered unconscious. He was held at gunpoint by Ricky, so I don't think it'd be a stretch to suggest that Ricky or Will knocked him out sometime inbetween in order to tie him up into a chair. But that's not for here.--Bob 01:47, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I'm with you. The whole things smells of a bigger set up than just some thugs getting a guy to help them with a heist. Why is Caitlin the only one nonplussed by the demonstration of super powers? ... Possibly topics for another page, though. -- FissionChips 12:47, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that there's a lot we don't know for certain about Peter's stuff: is there really stuff, what is it, where was it on him and when was it taken from him. I don't know that it is contradictory as much as this is information we haven't been given yet. Certainly appropriate that RGS removed the speculation from the article. -- FissionChips 15:09, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Right, the possible contradictions are theorizing (and good theorizing at that). But in this case, the article should simply state what was said and shown in the episode, not attempt to explain where things might have come from. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:41, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I don't understand why this is hard to put together. They might have knocked him out at some point, emptied his pockets and put all the stuff in the box. Why is that so difficult to understand? --Citizen 7:39, 7 October 2007
          • It's not that it's hard to put together, but that act itself crosses over into speculation. They 'might have' done alot of things we don't know about. All we can conclusively report to this point, is what 'they actually have done'. If there truly is a contradiction here, it will show itself soon enough in the next few episodes. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/7/2007 09:43 (EST)
  • Caitlin is probably nonplussed by Peter's powers because she has one too. She just doesn't want the family to know so they can't force her to use them and possibly harm others. --Snow Leapord 17:59, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I'm the culprit behind the term "nonplussed" being used. I do not think it means what you think it means. Caitlin was puzzled and surprised when Peter took down McSorley's son and his friend. The Theory talk:Caitlin page is probably where this thread about Caitlin's reaction should continue. -- FissionChips 09:55, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

How did the items get in the box?

  • In Four Months Ago..., Peter took the photo from Nathan's bedside, and Adam gave him the plane ticket and passport... but how did they get into the box? And, also, where did Adam get the passport from, and, finally, how did he get the plane ticket, if he's been locked up for thirty years? Am I missing something, or was this not properly explained?--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  11:20, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • You're missing that the Haitian was in on Adam's escape plan, and that he most likely put all the stuff in "the box" and left it in the cargo container.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:24, 14 November 2007 (EST)
      • Was the Haitian in on it? Ooh, I absolutely missed that. So you're saying the box was already in the cargo thing, and the Haitian had already chosen that container? Or that the Haitian put it in after he closed the door on Peter? Man, it's confusing. Or maybe I'm just being dumb.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:27, 14 November 2007 (EST)
        • The Haitian didn't want to see Peter locked up since he was a friend of Noah's, and the whole time was pretending to be a Company agent. The Haitian already had probably already planned to erase Peter's memory, and only he had the access and freedom to get Adam/Peter a current plane ticket to Montreal. The Haitian probably didn't know it would be that shipping container, but he had brought with him Peter's stuff in "the box" and left it in the shipping container so Peter would eventually piece together his life again. The time it would take for Peter to piece things together would hopefully be enough time for the Haitian to do whatever he was planning. Unfortunately, the Company caught on that he was involved in helping Peter escape, and that's why the Haitian was infected with the virus and sent to Haiti as punishment. Erasing Peter's memory would probably also help with problem #2: if Peter couldn't remember Ted anymore, then he probably couldn't use Ted's power.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:47, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • okay i think that Ricky put Peter's stuff in the box. I don't think there is anything that we should read into how his items got into the box. For me i think that when Ricky and his friends found Peter, they emptied his pockets before he came round and placed the items Peter had on him into the box for keeping, possibly as a bargain tool to get eter to talk. Obviously this proved useful as Peter had no clue who he was. So for me i think it's as simple as saying Ricky put the items in the box. I may be wrong lol. --   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 
    • Except that at least some of the stuff that Peter had on him were not things he was carrying around during Season One. ie. the plane ticket to Montreal, the photo of himself and his brother, a passport, and various other items--too much stuff to believe that the Haitian didn't bring most of the stuff and the box with him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2007 (EST)
      • Adam handed Peter the ticket and the passport as they split up as Elle caught up with them and Peter must have had the photo of Nathan and himself in his pocket as he took it from the hospital no doubt. --   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 
        • I agree with P4P. Peter had the passport, photo and ticket with him, probably in a pocket. Maybe he had other items with him still... we don't really know everything that was in the box. I wish they'd clarified this.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  14:55, 14 November 2007 (EST)
          • Still, the only thing to me that fits is that the Haitian gave Adam the passport and plane tickets. I don't know how else could Adam have gotten that stuff. I had forgetten the photo was at the hospital, though, that's a good catch. One thing is for sure: The Haitian did leave Peter his necklace, so he must have wanted Peter to remember him, and that's why I think the Haitian may have left some extra stuff with Peter (more stuff than would fit in his pockets).--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • there were only three items in the box i think? just the three we've mentioned. So i'm sticking to my guns on this theory.--   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 
    • P4P is absolutely correct. Ricky tells Peter that the box contains everything he had on him when they found him, not that they found the box with him. The crew was very careful to make sure we saw Peter get hold of each of the items found in the box on-screen. In fact, they inserted the scene with the photo of Nathan just so there wouldn't be any question of how he came by it. Adam gave him the ticket and the passport just before Elle and the Haitian arrived. The article makes clear that the box itself belongs to Ricky. We saw Peter receive each of the three items before the Haitian arrives.--Hardvice (talk) 15:07, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • hmmmm that is the big question. I wonder if Peter somehow went back to his apartment for the passport. I mean I know Adam and him were on the run from the company but maybe he did stop home? --   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 
      • Ricky had a good reason to lie that he took the stuff off Peter and put it on the box (he needed Peter to pull of the robbery). If he said that someone in his family made the box, I might be more inclinded to believe Ricky, but I'm tempted to believe now that the box was made in Haiti. Another question, didn't Adam also leave Peter the key to the apartment in Montreal? That adds to at least four things: the keys, the plane ticket, the passport, the photo.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:58, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • I'm sure that it has already been answered, but here goes. Ricky and his gang found Peter. Ricky took his stuff, and put in the box.--Ice Vision 15:33, 14 November 2007 (EST)