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.ogg files

Admin says the site accepts .ogg - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2006 (EST)

  • It won't allow me to upload them. Just tried.--Hardvice (talk) 13:48, 4 December 2006 (EST)
    • Try it now. (Admin 13:54, 4 December 2006 (EST))
      • Eeeeeexcellent!--Hardvice (talk) 14:03, 4 December 2006 (EST)
        • Thanks for all that work -- I'm still having a hard time hearing it on my computer, but I think I just need to d/l some different software. Thanks so much! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:17, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Future AOTW

  • We're potentially going to run into a problem with the way we do AOTW I think. If we use <noinclude> to carve up articles into AOTW-friendly formats and that article is the default page we show for a given disambig then we're going to break that disambig page since we use inclusion to display that default page. hmm. (Admin 17:51, 5 December 2006 (EST))
    • We can always create an AOTW template article, and cut and paste into it instead. Less glamorous, more effective.--Hardvice (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2006 (EST)
      • Yeah, I was thinking we may have to do that. Just wanted to bring it up before we started going through and tagging the articles. Would be great if MediWiki let you transclude specific sections in an article (without having to do something messy like breaking it up into separate pages per section and then transcluding the sections that way) (Admin 18:00, 5 December 2006 (EST))
        • There's not a way to user ParserFunctions to test if a page is loaded from a redirect or not, is there? That would let us fix the disambig problem instead ... just put the notice on if the pagename doesn't equal the link name or whatever.--Hardvice (talk) 18:05, 5 December 2006 (EST)
          • The following parser variables do not show a difference between a Redirect and a Real Page: PAGENAME SUBPAGENAME ARTICLESPACE ARTICLEPAGENAME ... I don't think there's a way to do it. --Orne 18:22, 5 December 2006 (EST)
            • Damn. I'd much rather have Hiro link to Hiro Nakamura than be a dummy redirect page. The objection to the disambig notice was that it was too obtrusive, right? Maybe we can just stick a "For other uses of the term Hiro, see Hiro (disambig)" note in the Notes section, rather than putting a disambig note at the top. That we, we also don't have to worry about people linking to Hiro (and now Mohinder) and the reader getting a page they can't edit.--Hardvice (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2006 (EST)
            • There may be a way to do it. I think if you do an #ifeq between the FULLURL and the LOCALURL + PAGENAME, that will pick up the difference between the reference page and the real page. The Reference will have a URL of what you clicked, while the Variable will have the name of the articled display. If these are different, you are in a Reference, and not the real article. I will test when I get home. --Orne 18:51, 5 December 2006 (EST)
            • Is Redirect: 'no'
            • Never mind... found that the Wiki Documentation says that variables are rendered based upon the article in which they exist... not the parent article that may subst or redirect to that article.
For the rendering on page A, these variables depend on page A, 
even if page A contains the variable due to inclusion of page B. 
Variables in the sort key of a category tag refer to the page with 
the tag, not the category page where it takes effect.

Google hits

Dave, could you explain to me how Google hits work? I mean, is it possible to increase our hits there? How does Google determine which sites to list first? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2006 (EST)

  • There are a lot of factors and Google doesn't really publish them (so people don't cheat), but the one thing that seems to make the biggest difference is having a lot of other pages link to you.--Hardvice (talk) 00:40, 6 December 2006 (EST)
    • Basically, if you run a legitimate site and don't try to beat their system, then if you're in fact one of the best sources, then you'll be ranked way up there. Lots of people spend time doing search engine optimization and then the search engines change their algorithms and you and up dropping. Basically if we work towards having the most and best content, then we'll do well in the rankings because lots of people will voluntarily link to us and Google's indexes will have our content indexed. I can also tell you that in my experience Google looks at the age of the site as well... and since we were basically the second major wiki for Heroes info (first being Wikipedia) we will do well in the rankings. (Admin 00:48, 6 December 2006 (EST))

Anal Retention

Very nice, very nice - you retain anal cavities so well, Dave! ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2006 (EST)

I...dont think that's what it means. :) (Admin 00:28, 7 December 2006 (EST))

Obsolete images

  • Hey, Hardvice. Concerning the deletions, what do you consider to be obsolete images? (Admin 14:27, 8 December 2006 (EST))
    • When we have a duplicate of exactly the same image. If the new one's better, I move it into the old one and delete so we don't have to relink 30 articles.--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 8 December 2006 (EST)
      • Ok, perfect, thanks! (Admin 14:38, 8 December 2006 (EST))
      • I wish there was some way to see the images from various episodes. Maybe we could add a catagory, to help break them up.. and reduce the chance of duplicates (which appears to be a chronic problem in my case). -- (Yoshie 14:30, 8 December 2006 (EST))
        • We can add extra categories for images by episode (like [[Category: Images from Genesis]] or something like that). It'd be some work, but it would be beneficial in the long run.--Hardvice (talk) 14:35, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Re: Welcome aboard.

Thanks. It's good to be here. --Fezir 16:19, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Old Versions of Pics & Pic Categories

Dave, thanks for the info on getting old pics ... PS, I agree that, though a lot of work, categories for pics from each episode might really be a good idea. Maybe a hiatus project. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:35, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Are we in England?

No, but I grew up there. Damn, I've been so careful about that so far. Now you know my terrible, terrible secret.--Hardvice (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2006 (EST)

I knew that'd get you -- I read your LJ page, and how you sometimes spell with British conventions. I think it makes you more colourful ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2006 (EST)


You rock! Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2006 (EST)

New user log

  • I added an extension to make a new user log available. It's one of the options in the Special:Logs dropdown. Any new user accounts created should show up here from now on. Thought you might be interested. :) (Admin 19:26, 11 December 2006 (EST))

New Power Caps

Dave, thanks for all your work on those screencaps - they look amazing! I can't wait to plug them into some galleries ... Thanks for all your continued hard work on the site - it's very much appreciated! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:25, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Re:Page Protection

Without giving too much away, lets just say I know a thing or two about a wiki. For now, you may find it easy to leave the main page open for any to edit, which is cool in the initial stages. However, If this wiki picks up steam, which it looks like it will pretty soon, page protection no longer becomes if, but when. Just giving a heads up. --Jay (talk) 18:21, 14 December 2006 (EST)

I'm an admin on a Wiki with much more traffic and a notorious history of vandalism than here. Even there, we barely bother to protect pages. It still takes only seconds to zip down the list of someone's contribs and revert everything, especially in a tabbed browser.--Hardvice (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2006 (EST)
When you say notorious, are we talking about Wikipedia? --Jay (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2006 (EST)
Nope Encyclopedia Dramatica. Since it's basically just people saying horrible things about other people, it's almost all vandalism.--Hardvice (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2006 (EST)
Good to know. Well, I've left a detailed message on Admin's page --Jay (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Finding Unsourced Pics

Okay, so I'm looking for more unsourced pics, and I need a fresh brain (mmm, yummy). According to our Statistics, we have 724 files uploaded right now. However, the copyright picture is only linked to 605 files. I know not every file will have a copyright picture, but I would think the 2 numbers would be a bit closer. Any thoughts on how to find a any images that are still missing their source? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:04, 16 December 2006 (EST)

  • The first time I did it, I went through them all one at a time (we didn't have a template then, so they just got labeled "screen cap"). More effective, less fun. It's possible to do the same now: we could just make a list of image categories and check them off one at a time (like we're doing with the "Images from (Episode)" categories on Current events). Given that most of the images are properly done, it should go pretty fast. Other than that, I can't think of an easy way to search for images that don't have particular text on them.--Hardvice (talk) 03:36, 16 December 2006 (EST)


  • Hey, did you get the email I sent you? (Admin 01:20, 18 December 2006 (EST))
    • I don't appear to have gotten it. It's possible the spam filters ate it. Never mind, found it. Spam filters ate it. Shouldn't happen again.--Hardvice (talk) 11:49, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks for the tips

Dave, thanks for the help and the tips. I really appreciate it! The rollback feature makes so much sense - thank goodness vandalism hasn't become a huge problem yet for the site. But I've always wondered how you were able to revert vandalisms so quickly. Mystery solved ... I changed my prefs to make my edits patrolled. I liked your method, though, to go back and still edit my own - heaven knows I make my full share of typos! ... Thanks again! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:36, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Dead End -> Suicide

Very funny, very funny indeed. I'm lol-ing right now! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:53, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Can I borrow your brain?

Okay, I just brain-dumped on the portal page - hope that helps.

Let me say how much I love the McDonald's Cash Register look of Portal:Portals! To answer you question, I think the best way to link it is a big ol' "portals" link on the main page. Maybe at the top or the bottom, something that says, like, "Welcome to Heroes' [sic] Wiki! Choose a topic." Then list the portals. And yes, I'm directly stealing this from Lostpedia's main page -- but it works!

Hope that helps... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:14, 20 December 2006 (EST)

pic size

What size do you want it? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:26, 21 December 2006 (EST)

  • How big is it available?--Hardvice (talk) 02:27, 21 December 2006 (EST)
    • 400x300 - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2006 (EST)
      • Perfect. I'm giving serious thought to image mapping it for the principle cast page.--Hardvice (talk) 02:29, 21 December 2006 (EST)
        • It's small. I'm sure you'll like it that way. Enjoy. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:33, 21 December 2006 (EST)


  • Dave, I know you're still in the middle of them, but thank you, thank you, thank you for all the work you're doing to make the site more navigable, more organized, and just plain prettier. The portals et al are coming along really nicely! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:41, 21 December 2006 (EST)
    • Yeah, they're really slick and make a beautiful addition to the Main Page. Nicely done! (Admin 21:36, 21 December 2006 (EST))

Artwork Category

Hey, Hardvice ... I noticed you removed "artwork" from a couple of the 9th Wonders images. I consider these to be artwork as well as publications. Do you mind if I restore the categories? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Never mind - I see that they go to the category page, which is really reserved for articles, not images. I reverted everything back to the way you had it. It's like an editing civil war.
I do think we should have a subcat under items for "Category:Artwork Images", since there are sooo many images of paintings, sketches, comics — not to mention all the prophecy realizations. What do you think? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:53, 22 December 2006 (EST)
Agreed. But we need to merge in Category:Isaac's paintings, which is why I didn't do it yesterday.--Hardvice (talk) 13:40, 22 December 2006 (EST)
Ugh, you're right. A project for another day. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:33, 24 December 2006 (EST)
...Waiting for Christmas guests to arrive ... Okay, I changed some of the cats - I left Category:Isaac's paintings because there were so many, rather than changing them all to "Category:Artwork Images" - I think that's okay. If you think we should change it, let me know. ... As well, I noticed that there was a Category:Research Items already in place as a subcat of Category:Items Images, so I just made sure to separate all research items out of "Items Images" and into "Research Images". - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:14, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Computers belonging to mothers RULE!

Hey, welcome back! I'm at my in-laws, and I'm just loving the computer here... Not much action going on. I made some minor changes here and there, did some category resorts. As I think you already saw, somebody decided to change "Suggestion" to Persuasion, which I like; somebody else changed "Cryokinesis" (and other -kinesis powers) to Ice generation, etc. I'm not a big fan of the new moniker, but what the hey. Check out Template:Wikipediapar and Template:Wikipedia - I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm not really opposed, but I think a simple "See Also" or sidebar link would be fine for referencing Wikipedia articles. Hope you had a nice time at home! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:42, 26 December 2006 (EST)

I don't really care for "ice generation" either since ice is just a side-effect of freezing water... and the power is more likely to be related to freezing in general than being limited to freezing water. At the same time I dont think "cryokinesis" is an actual word. So I'm not sure where to go with this one. (Admin 01:21, 26 December 2006 (EST))
iawtc 100%. I don't think "cryokinesis" is the way to go, but I don't think "ice generation" is much better. But then again, it's a power we've never seen used and we have no idea how it works or what it entails. Heck, the ice could be a side effect of some other power.--Hardvice (talk) 01:23, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Agreed on both accounts. Lose cryokinesis, though "ice generation sucks". Another site called it "Cold manipulation", which is a still pretty dry, but more descriptive and "superpower"ish. However, maybe it's best to leave it until we find out more? Or maybe just make a change. (PS, thanks for hosting this discussion on your talk page, Hardvice.) :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:43, 26 December 2006 (EST)


So I'm attempting to pull some screencaps, and I think they look awful. I'm new to screenshots - what's the best way to do it? (Thanks!) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:24, 26 December 2006 (EST)

  • What kind of video are you pulling them from? If you're using AVIs, VirtualDub is the best program around. You can frame-by-frame it, jump to key frames, etc., and there are about nine million highly customizable filter for everything from resizing to gamma adjustments. As an added bonus, it's free.--Hardvice (talk) 11:25, 26 December 2006 (EST)
    • I'm kind of old-school ... I'm using the online videos from NBC. Then I "Print Screen" and paste the screen img into a paint program and crop as needed. Obviously not the best way. ... So VirtualDub sounds pretty good - how do I get the AVIs downloaded? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:38, 26 December 2006 (EST)
      • I transfer them off of my Tivo. Barring that, you'd probably have to download them from one of the P2P networks or get the iTunes versions. Unfortunately, the resolution on the NBC online videos is (whil entirely watchable) not very good for screen caps.--Hardvice (talk) 11:40, 26 December 2006 (EST)
        • Ah, I was afraid of that... I'll have to look into d/l-ing the vids from somewhere (I have Tivo, but not a DVR recorder). In the meantime, some of the screencaps I've uploaded might need to be redone for better quality ... Thanks for the tips! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Jessica's gun

Thanks for the info on the gun - I'm writing the article right now. Man, you know a lot about guns! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:30, 27 December 2006 (EST)

  • I was offered that particular nugget unsolicited. My partner saw my screen and said "oh look, an HK P2000". I'm just passing it on.--Hardvice (talk) 01:31, 27 December 2006 (EST)
    • Lucky to have a partner with such great knowledge of guns! I'm clueless when it comes to them. But I guess if you're living in Texas ... hmm ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:49, 27 December 2006 (EST)


Thanks for reuploading so many of those screencaps ... I did a whole bunch the other night and saved them to my hard drive. I know they're crap, but I figure it's better to have something than nothing ... Hopefully the reupload tag helps a bit?? Thanks for all your hard work, Dave! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:06, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Graphic Novel Characters Portal

Any thoughts on creating a portal for graphic novel-only characters vs. adding them to Portal:Minor Characters? I have no strong preference, but suspect that it might look nicer to have photos separate from illustrations, and we can add a link to Portal:Graphic Novels. Also, while we're on the subject, should they have a subcat of Category:Characters?--Hardvice (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2006 (EST)

I thought about a separate portal for graphic novel-only characters, but it's hard to make a distinction. Really, our only GN characters are Hana, her mother and grandmother, Mohinder's grandmother, and the money launderer. Well, Hana will soon become a real character it seems, and the money launderer is really just the title for an unspecified character. I'm not sure having a separate portal is the best way to go - although, I agree with you that the comic book pictures look a bit out of place in the regular character portal. I also don't really have a strong opinion. If I had to go one way or the other, I'd probably meld the GN and regular character together, but I think that might be because I kind of place a higher canon status on the GNs than most. But I digress (as usual). As for the subcat, I think that's a good idea - we have a subcat for unnamed characters, so why not one for characters only seen (thus far) in the comics? What do you think (about both)? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:30, 29 December 2006 (EST)
I went ahead and split out the GN characters to see how it looks and I kind of dig it. Plus, there are others we can add: Eden's folks, the detective who interviews D.L., Chandra's boss the Russian violinist at the cab company, Sheila (the girl Nathan rescues), and probably more. We can always move Hana once she shows up.--Hardvice (talk) 00:41, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Wow, looks great! Nice job, and good vision - you always make things turn out better than I can picture them. And you're fast, too! I'm not sure I'll have time to start work on the other GN character articles tonight, but maybe sometime soon... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:45, 29 December 2006 (EST)

GN Character nav bar

You're knocking those characters out pretty quickly... Looks like we'll need a GN char nav bar, too (or at least a section added to the regular character nave bar). - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2006 (EST)

  • I'm thinking a separate nav bar ... most of these characters are pretty minor, and the main characternav bar doesn't include minor characters. Also, the main bar is kind of crowded.--Hardvice (talk) 02:02, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Artwork Redirects

What do you think about having the resized artwork (Image:Exploding man artwork.jpg, the resize prophecy paintings, etc.) redirect to the fullsize artwork (e.g., Image:Painting burning man.jpg, etc.)? That way, if someone clicks on a thumbnail for the smaller, resized, (incomplete) picture, they will be taken to the full pic. Thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:13, 29 December 2006 (EST)

  • Good idea. Two ways to do it: 1. Make the image page a redirect. Sloppy, but easy, and the copyright info should be the same. 2. Adjust the template for prophecy to link to the images like the portals do. More work initially, less maintenance.--Hardvice (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2006 (EST)
    • Yes, I like the template idea ... however, I'm not quite sure how to do it. The other issue with changing the template is that it doesn't cover all uses of the picture. For instance, Image:Painting prophecy sylar jackie.jpg is used on the prophecy page, as well as brain removal and power mimicry (because it shows just Jackie dead, or just the part Peter painted), but should link to the full size picture. And then there's the case of Image:Missing painting items.jpg and other pics used in the portals or as lead article pics that should redirect to the full size paintings... My gut says to do it "the messy" way - I don't think it would be a bad way to do it. What exactly are your concerns?

      While we're on the subject, what's going on with the prophecy page? I know you said both have their issues, but that you preferred Orne's prophecy/test over prophecy/test2. I agree. Should we change the page? Do we want to solicit some feedback?

      Thanks for lending me your ear (um, eye)! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:15, 29 December 2006 (EST)

      • I hadn't thought about the other uses of the prophecy images. That makes the redirects option more attractive. The only possible problem is that we have to remember 1)to set up redirects for new images as they are added and 2)to keep up with redirects if the full-sized images are moved, renamed, deleted, etc. We pretty much always check "what links here" when we move or delete things, so #2 shouldn't be a problem, and #1 is not much worse than what we'd have to do with the template. I say go for it. (PS: if you run into problems with the redirects "not working", hit CTRL+F5. Firefox likes to cache short pages like image pages, so when I did the images for Portal:Places as redirects, I thought the redirects weren't working until I cleared my cache.)

        As for Prophecy: I like Orne's version better because there's no way to make my version work 100% of the time on different browsers, resolutions, etc. The only problem with Orne's is maintenance: if we need to insert an image halfway down the page, we end up having to adjust all of the template calls after it manually up. It just occurred to me that we can maybe do this more smoothly by making the left and right columns separate template calls ... it'd still be bad, but at least we could cut and paste more easily. Let me work on it a bit and see if I can come up with a more maintenance-friendly version, and then we can go with Orne's or a version of it.--Hardvice (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2006 (EST)
        • Redirects: Thanks for the warnings. I don't think it'll be too much maintenance, but maybe I'm being short-sighted. I'll get on the redirects later tonight (I have some deadlines before 12/31 - ugh.) And thanks for the tip about Firefox - I'm still not at home, and am using random computers while on vacation. Double ugh.

          Prophecy: Thanks for all your work. I don't think we're going to have too much maintenance to do on it. Check out the screencaps page before you get too into it to see if any of those unused pics should be used. I think after that it should just be the pics we already have, plus ones we'll add on the end. Again, thanks for all you do! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:33, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Prophecy Article

Take a look at Prophecy/test2. It's basically the same as Orne's, but I split each pair of paintings into a separate template call. That should make it easier to move one column without affecting the other. What do you think?--Hardvice (talk) 23:12, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Man, your talk page is getting long ... must be the end of the year!
Okay, it looks great. A few concerns - the captions go beyond the pictures to the left and the right to the point of being a bit distracting. Not that big of a deal, but if it can be fixed ... Also, I wish there was some way to either put a dividing line down the middle, or better yet, put just a little more space between the two sides. That way it wouldn't read like it was four paintings that have to do with each other, but rather 2 columns for the paintings and a 2 for the comics.
I hate to interject this now, but I'm beginning to rethink something (don't beat me up). The 9th Wonders prophecies are kind of, well, complete now, aren't they - I don't think they're going to reappear anymore. But Isaac's paintings, I'm sure, will crop up many more times this season and the next, ad nauseum. The two sides are going to be very lopsided. Is this the best way to do it? I know you guys have done tons of work on this, and I'm not saying we definitely should abandon what you're doing. But I don't know - what are your thoughts? (Clear my mind, man, clear my mind!) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Hmmm. We could make a different page (or a different section of the page) for prophecies in 9th Wonders!. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of seeing more later, but you're right, it's never going to be as big as the painting side. What other ways are there to organize the page?
  • We can make it a category and have a different page for each episode (ugh)
  • We can split it into two distinct articles (Prophetic paintings and Prophetic drawings) and make Prophecy into a pseudo-disambiguation page. (hmmm...)
  • We can make separate sections on the page for each episode and for the comics. Still long, but navigable at least.
  • We can delete the whole wiki and become Power Puff Girls fanboys instead. (maybe not...)
As for the existing layout, any of those can be done (a dividing line, more space, narrow captions). It just takes a little adjustment.--Hardvice (talk) 23:29, 29 December 2006 (EST)
You crack me up. I say go for sections. It's nice to have everything on one page (albeit one long page), especially since the message boards seem to reflect that it's cool to see everything in one place. Reduce the clicks, lengthen the ... length. PowerPuffGirlsFanboy (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Sections also has the advantage of not requiring us to monkey with a template, and it makes the page navigable with a TOC. The question is: how do we break the sections down? I'm guessing by episode, but which episode--the painting's appearance or the realization? My vote is the former, since that's the order of the columns, but either works.--Hardvice (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Funny: I would vote for the realization. I guess it doesn't really matter, so long as it's consistent. Minor point, easy to change if needed. Go for the first appearance if that's easier. Can I help in any way? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2006 (EST)
I think it looks fantastic. It's navigable, it's clean, and now that it's in sections, the comics & paintings together don't bother me at all (which they did, I don't know, like a month ago when we started retooling the page). Separating by episode appearance (as opposed to realization) was a good choice. Bravo! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:15, 30 December 2006 (EST)

9th Wonders Gallery

Okay, let me get your opnion on something quick. We have a sh--load of 9th Wonders images. Technically, they are part of Isaac's art, but I don't think they are best on the Isaac's paintings gallery. And the 9th Wonders! gallery would be really huge, too. My thought is to put them on 9th Wonders. Do you have an opinion one way or another? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:33, 30 December 2006 (EST)

  • Right now, the article is called Isaac's paintings. I'd say we're fine to exclude 9th Wonders! images since they're not paintings, and relegate them to 9th Wonders.--Hardvice (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2006 (EST)
    • Cool. Will do. As for "paintings", I'm assuming it's okay to leave the sketches there... (PS - I'm just trying to make your talk page super long.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:36, 30 December 2006 (EST)


What does SOMA mean? Any idea? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2006 (EST)

  • As a word, it means either "the body" (like of a unicellular organism) or a hallucination-inducing beverage. As for its importance to MG or Aspen, I have no idea, but there are apparently a bunch more hidden in the GNs. (Just spotted it on Claire's sneakers in Aftermath).--Hardvice (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2006 (EST)
    • I have a *feeling* that if it has anything to do with the artist, he's probably referencing the, um, hallucinogenic. ... I'll keep an eye out for other examples - cool trivia. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:21, 31 December 2006 (EST)
      • It's also a Smashing Pumpkins song, as well as a Strokes song (both of which are likely named after the drug). Maybe he's a big fan of one or the other band.--Hardvice (talk) 00:25, 31 December 2006 (EST)
      • Come to think of it, this sounds like a neat References article waiting to happen. There's a gallery and a list of other references to 'SOMA' in there, at least.--Hardvice (talk) 00:30, 31 December 2006 (EST)
        • Dude, I was just thinking the same thing. See if you can grab a real-world pic of the drug. Very cool. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:47, 31 December 2006 (EST)
          • Dunno if there are real-world pics ... it's an old Hindu thing IIRC and I think the recipe has been lost to the mists of history, but I'll look. I got caps of the three appearances I've found so far. I couldn't find any in The Crane, Isaac's First Time, Turning Point, Super-Heroics, or Wireless 1, though.--Hardvice (talk) 00:57, 31 December 2006 (EST)

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