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**And [http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/images/bigimages/hayden_lick_big.jpg another one] for you, Heroe. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:34, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
**And [http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/images/bigimages/hayden_lick_big.jpg another one] for you, Heroe. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:34, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
***[http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/455954607_6d56c1d2e4_o.jpg I] [http://farm1.static.flickr.com/249/455954629_f451493265_o.jpg see] [http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/455939630_38cd1a4125_o.jpg a] [http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0704/hayden-panettiere-breast-licker-01.jpg theme]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:03, 28 June 2007 (EDT)


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*I gotta say, for her to have played a 12 year old, a 16 year old and will play a 21 year old all in the same series, that says a lot about her acting. That and the SFX/editing team of the show.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 23:41, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
*I gotta say, for her to have played a 12 year old, a 16 year old and will play a 21 year old all in the same series, that says a lot about her acting. That and the SFX/editing team of the show.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 23:41, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
**...and makeup artist. I've always thought Hayden was an incredibly mature and talented actress. When I read that she was only 17 in real life, I really thought it was a typo. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
**...and makeup artist. I've always thought Hayden was an incredibly mature and talented actress. When I read that she was only 17 in real life, I really thought it was a typo. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
*She is unbelievable in in Kingdom Hearts. I hope she comes back for the rest of the series. Of course, with her new found fame, it'll probably take alot for Squeenix to get her back.--[[User:Avenger29|Avenger]] 13:44, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Cute Interview ==

Here's a sweet little interview where Hayden interviews her little brother. Very cute. [http://www.tvguide.com/news/hayden-panettiere-jansen/070719-02 ''link''] -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:12, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

== Dolphins ==
* [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=843_1193927344] -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:42, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
** Dear Hayden -- Please don't pull a Rachel Corrie on us. Dead and principled is all very well, but I'll take alive and slightly less principled every day.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 19:47, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
*** She has to stay away from that boat engine - she's not really indestructible! --[[User:DocM|DocM]] 19:55, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
****I heard and read about that. You GO GIRL!!! That is so cool. She is totally my hero. But she better not go back to JApan [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 22:54, 2 November 2007
* According to E! Talk, she apparently has an arrest warrant out in Japan for this. Read all about it at [http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=4fb2bcea-e33a-4228-a367-f7c4534de551] --[[User:Felixdakat|Felixdakat]] 03:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)
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== What the? ==

I found [http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/285/haydeningymclassyq4.jpg this picture] in Beeman's latest blog. Is that a prosthetic leg? Or is that her real leg? Either way, that looks dang painful.--[[User:Avenger29|Avenger]] 13:45, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

I just saw the commercial Hayden did on the 2008 presidential elections. Why do actors have to open their mouths and talk about politics? I don't care what you think. I watch(ed) the shows to see you act and entertain us. Once you start talking about politics all I see when I watch your shows is you spouting off about your political views. You're supposed to be an entertainer so entertain. Is it that hard? I just lost a lot of interest in the show Heroes.

== Men's Vogue. ==

http://www.ninjadude.com/index.php/hayden-panettiere-gets-naughty-for-mens-vogue#more-2046

Some image for an 18 year old girl, right? Kinda following the tracks of some other female stars who at the time were her age. Then again, for perverts it's great. FOR THE RECORD, I ONLY CHECK OUT NINJADUDE TO SEE WHAT CELEBRITIES ARE IDIOTS.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:03, 24 November 2007 (EST)
*Sure you do. ;) --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 23:34, 27 January 2008 (EST)
* Some parts of the interview:
http://www.hollyscoop.com/hayden-panettiere/hayden-goes-sexy-for-mens-vogue_13556.aspx --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:07, 24 November 2007 (EST)
* [http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_6202 Here's] the full photoshoot and interview. For someone who says she doesn't want to be a sex symbol, this doesn't really help her. She should take lessons from Kristen on how to be a good celebrity considering they are such good freinds. (Althrough Kristen has done a shoot for [http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pictures_and_bio/1178/KristenBell.girl Maxim], it was self-promotion for pulse and vm and she wasn't doing it to totally make herself look like a sex symbol.) {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 01:28, 24 November 2007 (EST)
**Dare I ask what the complaints are for?--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 02:45, 24 November 2007 (EST)
** Hayden's been a bit hypocritical as of late. She's been saying that she doesn't want attention, that see doesn't want to be view a sex symbol or the 'it' girl, that she wants to be boring. However actions speak louder than words. This is her 4th photoshoot in this men magazine look. ''Boring'' celebrities are ones that are known but scarcely in the headlines. Take [[Milo Ventimiglia|Milo]], [[Greg Grunberg|Greg]] or [[Kristen Bell|Kristen]] for example, the only time you hear about them is for publicity. (E.g Kristen's recent [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2FKzLfJto&e TRL] appearance; pure self-promotion) (nb. While I share some of these views, I don't share all of them). {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 03:15, 24 November 2007 (EST)
*** Yikes. I just lost a ton of respect for her. I used to think she was a nice girl, but after reading that... Jeez. As a Heroes fan, I just became even more of an Elle fan, just hoping that she'll someday take Claire down. As a Kingdom Hearts fan... Hopefully Disney and Squeenix are seeing this and saying, "This isn't our image. We need a new Kairi.".--[[User:Avenger29|Avenger]] 03:37, 24 November 2007 (EST)
* http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4558896949136939656&hl=en Live action Hayden! --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 17:01, 26 November 2007 (EST)
*<pervert>Mmmmmmmmm</pervert> --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 23:34, 27 January 2008 (EST)

== Paire all over again. ==

Typing "Hayden and Milo" in google will yield a quite a few results telling you that Hayden and Milo are infact dating due to [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20168512,00.html people magazine] reporting such. However; Hayden's rep tells People, "We do not respond to inquiries from the media regarding Ms. Panettiere's personal life." It is uncertain whether or not is is actually true. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} [[User:Seclusion|Seclusion]] 23:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== New profile picture ==

The new profile picture of Hayden makes her looks like a whore. It seriously needs to be changed. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 06:23, 11 January 2008 (EST)
* I really cannot see how you get that. I've uploaded 4 pictures of her here and according to you, they've all made her look like a whore. I surprised you don't think Kristen looks like one. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 06:50, 11 January 2008 (EST)
** I don't believe I've ever said any picture you've uploaded makes anybody look like a whore except the one that's up right now. I don't have a problem with the [[Kristen Bell]] photo (though I don't see what was wrong with the previous one), and it's too bad you're assuming I would feel one way or another about something to the extent that my difference of opinion would surprise you. In any case, it's pretty standard to use a headshot (not a red carpet picture) if available. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:13, 11 January 2008 (EST)
*** I have to agree with Ryan here. I was going to revert it as soon as I saw it, but I saw your commentary when you changed it. If the Nov. 30th version bothers you so much (I don't see why) then I'm not opposed to using the Nov. 10th one. However, I prefer the Nov. 30th one since it is a head shot. But, if her website has other headshots that you find acceptable, I'm not opposed to uploading one of those, either. {{User:Lulu/sig}} 09:08, 11 January 2008 (EST)
**** I agree, I don't see anything wrong with either of those versions. It makes the portals look a lot nicer if the images are headshots. I think we have two from which to choose: [http://heroeswiki.com/images/archive/0/08/20080111055249%21Haydenpanettierepublic.jpg this one] and [http://heroeswiki.com/images/archive/0/08/20071106115344%21Haydenpanettierepublic.jpg this one]. But hey, if anybody else finds another headhsot, I'd love to see it. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:18, 11 January 2008 (EST)
***** I prefer the two Ryan suggested over the one that's there currently. I'm going to revert this change while it's being discussed. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 10:14, 11 January 2008 (EST))
** I think I'm the one who commented on the old versions (specifically [http://heroeswiki.com/images/archive/0/08/20071110070605%21Haydenpanettierepublic.jpg this one]) making her look skanky. And I stand by that. Now, as for the latest one, Ryan's wrong--she doesn't look like a whore, she looks like a used-up crack whore. She should find whoever did her makeup in that photo and shoot them. It looks like a "Faces of Meth" after shot. I had no idea it was possible to make such a pretty girl look so awful.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 12:58, 11 January 2008 (EST)
* I'm okay with anything as long as she looks cute. ;) --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 11:03, 11 January 2008 (EST)
** Addendum: I don't think we need to update cast photos all the Time. [[Greg Grunberg]]'s, [[Adrian Pasdar]]'s, [[Masi Oka]]'s, etc. haven't been updated since the articles were created. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 11:07, 11 January 2008 (EST)
*** [[Greg Grunberg]] has the best picture. Him looking professional and ready to fight the world. --[[User:DocM|DocM]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (EST)
**** What's funny about Greg Grunberg's picture is it's actually a promotional image from ''Alias''. However, since his character was a government official, promo shots of him just look like regular headshots. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:29, 11 January 2008 (EST)
*Ouch shot down hard. I am however quite curious to what I should be looking for. n.b not making her look like a whore. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 20:32, 11 January 2008 (EST)
** "Less is more" is a good phrase to consider. The main problem with the picture you uploaded was, in my opinion, that she was wearing far too much makeup. Plus, I think her having her hair down does her better justice. {{User:Lulu/sig}} 20:50, 11 January 2008 (EST)
** I don't think there's any reason to look for another image. We have two perfectly good headshots from which to choose. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:11, 11 January 2008 (EST)
*** I disagree. Those 2 photos are kinda outdated which was one of the main reasons I uploaded a new one in the first place. If you desire, have a look at [http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7360/391op2.jpg this one]. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 00:47, 12 January 2008 (EST)
**If for some reason we ''need'' a new photo (and why? there are a ton of other cast members with far worse photos which have never been changed ... we're not Pictures-of-Hayden Wiki, after all), then if I had to sum up objections to lots of the photos in one go, it would be "age appropriate". Any picture in which she looks like herself (an 18 year old girl) is to be preferred to pictures in which she looks like someone else (a 38-year-old meth addict). The purpose of the image is to illustrate her article, not to provide fanboys something to fap to, after all, so an image that is recognizably her is to be preferred. That's why things like headshots and red carpet photos work well, and things like professional photo shoots don't. "Artistic" and "sexy" really take a back seat to "recognizable" when illustrating a biographical article. Slutty photoshoot images just show a poor taste level and aren't particularly illustrative. We wouldn't use [http://wetmen.provocateuse.com/show/milo_ventimiglia this photo] of Milo, or [http://a1.vox.com/6a00e398affe62000300e398b00bb10004-500pi this photo] of Ali, would we?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:25, 12 January 2008 (EST)
*** I think we should use the Ali Larter one, haha. No, but seriously, I agree with Hardvice. --[[User:DocM|DocM]] 19:21, 12 January 2008 (EST)
*** My god! The sarcasm meter is off the charts. But seriously if you care that much about not changing it, then I'm not going to bother arguing with you. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 20:12, 12 January 2008 (EST)
**** While we're on the subject: I ''do'' think headshots are better in all cases (for one thing, they "read" better in the portals, where the image is quite small), and I'm glad to see some of the old ones (Noah, Sendhil, Adrian) are being revisited. When ''Heroes'' started, we didn't have a lot of options for images of some of the leads. Now, of course, we do. There's no excuse for not having decent quality color headshots of the principal cast these days. As for caring about changing it: changing it is fine. But it should be a change for the better. We shouldn't go from an easily-recognizable face shot to a barely-recognizable head-and-shoulders shot. With Hayden in particular, we have a lot of choices, but the shot we choose should illustrate her article well, be easily recognizable both on her page and in the portals, and fit nicely with the other images in the portal. Simple headshots do all that. Vampy photoshoot images don't. Not beating a dead horse--I just want to be clear on ''why'' it matters. The "best" image of Hayden (for whatever value of "best") might not be the best choice when you consider the image's function on the wiki.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 20:19, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Latest revision as of 07:33, 17 October 2008

For all the Hayden fans out there, here's a little treat. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Role

I'm surprised no one mentioned that Hayden played Kairi in the Kingdom Hearts game series. Kingdom Hearts has quite a fan following.--StevenFurtado 00:14, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I gotta say, for her to have played a 12 year old, a 16 year old and will play a 21 year old all in the same series, that says a lot about her acting. That and the SFX/editing team of the show.--Bob 23:41, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
    • ...and makeup artist. I've always thought Hayden was an incredibly mature and talented actress. When I read that she was only 17 in real life, I really thought it was a typo. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
  • She is unbelievable in in Kingdom Hearts. I hope she comes back for the rest of the series. Of course, with her new found fame, it'll probably take alot for Squeenix to get her back.--Avenger 13:44, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Cute Interview

Here's a sweet little interview where Hayden interviews her little brother. Very cute. link -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:12, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Dolphins

  • [1] -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
    • Dear Hayden -- Please don't pull a Rachel Corrie on us. Dead and principled is all very well, but I'll take alive and slightly less principled every day.--Hardvice (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
      • She has to stay away from that boat engine - she's not really indestructible! --DocM 19:55, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
        • I heard and read about that. You GO GIRL!!! That is so cool. She is totally my hero. But she better not go back to JApan Jason Garrick 22:54, 2 November 2007
  • According to E! Talk, she apparently has an arrest warrant out in Japan for this. Read all about it at [2] --Felixdakat 03:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)

(EDT)

What the?

I found this picture in Beeman's latest blog. Is that a prosthetic leg? Or is that her real leg? Either way, that looks dang painful.--Avenger 13:45, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

I just saw the commercial Hayden did on the 2008 presidential elections. Why do actors have to open their mouths and talk about politics? I don't care what you think. I watch(ed) the shows to see you act and entertain us. Once you start talking about politics all I see when I watch your shows is you spouting off about your political views. You're supposed to be an entertainer so entertain. Is it that hard? I just lost a lot of interest in the show Heroes.

Men's Vogue.

http://www.ninjadude.com/index.php/hayden-panettiere-gets-naughty-for-mens-vogue#more-2046

Some image for an 18 year old girl, right? Kinda following the tracks of some other female stars who at the time were her age. Then again, for perverts it's great. FOR THE RECORD, I ONLY CHECK OUT NINJADUDE TO SEE WHAT CELEBRITIES ARE IDIOTS.--Riddler 01:03, 24 November 2007 (EST)

http://www.hollyscoop.com/hayden-panettiere/hayden-goes-sexy-for-mens-vogue_13556.aspx --Riddler 01:07, 24 November 2007 (EST)

  • Here's the full photoshoot and interview. For someone who says she doesn't want to be a sex symbol, this doesn't really help her. She should take lessons from Kristen on how to be a good celebrity considering they are such good freinds. (Althrough Kristen has done a shoot for Maxim, it was self-promotion for pulse and vm and she wasn't doing it to totally make herself look like a sex symbol.) --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 01:28, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    • Dare I ask what the complaints are for?--Bob (talk) 02:45, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    • Hayden's been a bit hypocritical as of late. She's been saying that she doesn't want attention, that see doesn't want to be view a sex symbol or the 'it' girl, that she wants to be boring. However actions speak louder than words. This is her 4th photoshoot in this men magazine look. Boring celebrities are ones that are known but scarcely in the headlines. Take Milo, Greg or Kristen for example, the only time you hear about them is for publicity. (E.g Kristen's recent TRL appearance; pure self-promotion) (nb. While I share some of these views, I don't share all of them). --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 03:15, 24 November 2007 (EST)
      • Yikes. I just lost a ton of respect for her. I used to think she was a nice girl, but after reading that... Jeez. As a Heroes fan, I just became even more of an Elle fan, just hoping that she'll someday take Claire down. As a Kingdom Hearts fan... Hopefully Disney and Squeenix are seeing this and saying, "This isn't our image. We need a new Kairi.".--Avenger 03:37, 24 November 2007 (EST)
  • http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4558896949136939656&hl=en Live action Hayden! --Riddler 17:01, 26 November 2007 (EST)
  • <pervert>Mmmmmmmmm</pervert> --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 23:34, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Paire all over again.

Typing "Hayden and Milo" in google will yield a quite a few results telling you that Hayden and Milo are infact dating due to people magazine reporting such. However; Hayden's rep tells People, "We do not respond to inquiries from the media regarding Ms. Panettiere's personal life." It is uncertain whether or not is is actually true. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs Seclusion 23:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

New profile picture

The new profile picture of Hayden makes her looks like a whore. It seriously needs to be changed. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:23, 11 January 2008 (EST)

  • I really cannot see how you get that. I've uploaded 4 pictures of her here and according to you, they've all made her look like a whore. I surprised you don't think Kristen looks like one. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 06:50, 11 January 2008 (EST)
    • I don't believe I've ever said any picture you've uploaded makes anybody look like a whore except the one that's up right now. I don't have a problem with the Kristen Bell photo (though I don't see what was wrong with the previous one), and it's too bad you're assuming I would feel one way or another about something to the extent that my difference of opinion would surprise you. In any case, it's pretty standard to use a headshot (not a red carpet picture) if available. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2008 (EST)
      • I have to agree with Ryan here. I was going to revert it as soon as I saw it, but I saw your commentary when you changed it. If the Nov. 30th version bothers you so much (I don't see why) then I'm not opposed to using the Nov. 10th one. However, I prefer the Nov. 30th one since it is a head shot. But, if her website has other headshots that you find acceptable, I'm not opposed to uploading one of those, either. -- Lulu (talk) 09:08, 11 January 2008 (EST)
        • I agree, I don't see anything wrong with either of those versions. It makes the portals look a lot nicer if the images are headshots. I think we have two from which to choose: this one and this one. But hey, if anybody else finds another headhsot, I'd love to see it. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:18, 11 January 2008 (EST)
          • I prefer the two Ryan suggested over the one that's there currently. I'm going to revert this change while it's being discussed. (Admin 10:14, 11 January 2008 (EST))
    • I think I'm the one who commented on the old versions (specifically this one) making her look skanky. And I stand by that. Now, as for the latest one, Ryan's wrong--she doesn't look like a whore, she looks like a used-up crack whore. She should find whoever did her makeup in that photo and shoot them. It looks like a "Faces of Meth" after shot. I had no idea it was possible to make such a pretty girl look so awful.--Hardvice (talk) 12:58, 11 January 2008 (EST)
  • I'm okay with anything as long as she looks cute. ;) --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:03, 11 January 2008 (EST)
    • Addendum: I don't think we need to update cast photos all the Time. Greg Grunberg's, Adrian Pasdar's, Masi Oka's, etc. haven't been updated since the articles were created. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:07, 11 January 2008 (EST)
      • Greg Grunberg has the best picture. Him looking professional and ready to fight the world. --DocM 11:11, 11 January 2008 (EST)
        • What's funny about Greg Grunberg's picture is it's actually a promotional image from Alias. However, since his character was a government official, promo shots of him just look like regular headshots. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2008 (EST)
  • Ouch shot down hard. I am however quite curious to what I should be looking for. n.b not making her look like a whore. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 20:32, 11 January 2008 (EST)
    • "Less is more" is a good phrase to consider. The main problem with the picture you uploaded was, in my opinion, that she was wearing far too much makeup. Plus, I think her having her hair down does her better justice. -- Lulu (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2008 (EST)
    • I don't think there's any reason to look for another image. We have two perfectly good headshots from which to choose. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:11, 11 January 2008 (EST)
      • I disagree. Those 2 photos are kinda outdated which was one of the main reasons I uploaded a new one in the first place. If you desire, have a look at this one. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 00:47, 12 January 2008 (EST)
    • If for some reason we need a new photo (and why? there are a ton of other cast members with far worse photos which have never been changed ... we're not Pictures-of-Hayden Wiki, after all), then if I had to sum up objections to lots of the photos in one go, it would be "age appropriate". Any picture in which she looks like herself (an 18 year old girl) is to be preferred to pictures in which she looks like someone else (a 38-year-old meth addict). The purpose of the image is to illustrate her article, not to provide fanboys something to fap to, after all, so an image that is recognizably her is to be preferred. That's why things like headshots and red carpet photos work well, and things like professional photo shoots don't. "Artistic" and "sexy" really take a back seat to "recognizable" when illustrating a biographical article. Slutty photoshoot images just show a poor taste level and aren't particularly illustrative. We wouldn't use this photo of Milo, or this photo of Ali, would we?--Hardvice (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2008 (EST)
      • I think we should use the Ali Larter one, haha. No, but seriously, I agree with Hardvice. --DocM 19:21, 12 January 2008 (EST)
      • My god! The sarcasm meter is off the charts. But seriously if you care that much about not changing it, then I'm not going to bother arguing with you. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 20:12, 12 January 2008 (EST)
        • While we're on the subject: I do think headshots are better in all cases (for one thing, they "read" better in the portals, where the image is quite small), and I'm glad to see some of the old ones (Noah, Sendhil, Adrian) are being revisited. When Heroes started, we didn't have a lot of options for images of some of the leads. Now, of course, we do. There's no excuse for not having decent quality color headshots of the principal cast these days. As for caring about changing it: changing it is fine. But it should be a change for the better. We shouldn't go from an easily-recognizable face shot to a barely-recognizable head-and-shoulders shot. With Hayden in particular, we have a lot of choices, but the shot we choose should illustrate her article well, be easily recognizable both on her page and in the portals, and fit nicely with the other images in the portal. Simple headshots do all that. Vampy photoshoot images don't. Not beating a dead horse--I just want to be clear on why it matters. The "best" image of Hayden (for whatever value of "best") might not be the best choice when you consider the image's function on the wiki.--Hardvice (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2008 (EST)