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== Could the Hatian's ability of memory manipulation be his only power? == |
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I think that something like neurocognitive deficit is too wordy, although i think mental manipulation is an inaccurate term, its one that is not as wordy. |
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== Most Recent Edit By RGS! == |
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Could perhaps that the Haitian's blocking ability is related to his memory erasure, like the Haitian makes the mind forget they either had an ability or know how to use it subconsciously. [[User:horrorman|horrorman]] 20:47, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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You said ''Peter needed to actively concentrate on healing the damaged parts for it to work however, as for some reason regeneration doesn't heal the damage automatically.'' I think the reason it doesn't heal automatically is that the body doesn't know it's been damaged so won't heal it. Also the fact that regeneration has something to do with the brain (the spot that stops it) it is more likely to have been damaged and stop the healing. Or at least that's what I think. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 06:56, 29 August 2009 (EDT) |
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* They're definitely related somehow. People certainly don't forget that they have powers, since many of them try to use them in his presence. It's possibly he's instead causing them to forget how to activate their powers; however, were that the case, it seems likely that the effect would be permanent, like his memory erasures. Instead, the effect only lasts while they are in his presence.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 22:59, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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* I think you are right, it's about knowing you are hurt. When Peter thought about Nathan, his brain realized there's something wrong with it, and initiated rapid healing. It's different for Claire though, her ability evolved in the way brain automatically heals any trauma. {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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*well, ''physical trauma'', not emotional. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 08:15, 29 August 2009 (EDT) |
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** Memory loss is indeed a physical trauma... or rather a ''chemical'' one. {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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***No no, you misinterpret me! I was joking about the fact Claire cries and gets upset so much. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 08:23, 29 August 2009 (EDT) |
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**** Ah, I get it =) {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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* What does this have to do with me? My only edit to this page in the past couple months was to [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Mental_manipulation&diff=357491&oldid=357486 fix a couple spelling errors]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:24, 29 August 2009 (EDT) |
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** You probably mentioned it in an edit in another article. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:00, 30 August 2009 (EDT) |
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== Willpower? == |
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Is it possible that with someone who has a tremendous amount of willpower, could actually not be affected by Haitian's power manipulation? --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 19:17, 25 September 2009 (EDT) |
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It's seems to make memories forget permanently he must be in physical contact range to do so i.e. with his hand over their eyes. But perhaps with abilities he can induce an electrical signal of sorts sometimes unwittingly as we see with his father that makes the subconscious deactivate the triggering mechanism. It doesn't affect inherit powers either because he allows them to be active, or due to their passive nature and therefore not requiring concentration he cannot shut off the trigger. [[User:horrorman|horrorman]] 23:03, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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* Matt and Arthur were able to overcome the Haitian's power, but that was rather linked to a great conscious effort. {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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**I think that his ability is MEMORY DELETION. He seems to require physical contact to make the forgetting permanent but at a distance especially with evolved humans he makes them forget the subconscious triggers of their powers. Passive powers are simply activated constantly in the conscious mind and it requires no triger so he [The Haitian] cannot negate it. And for active powers if you struggle hard enough (causing injury or nosebleeds([[Fallout]])).[[User:horrorman|horrorman]] 12:00, 12 December 2007 (EST) |
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** Some basically if you have a great conscious level (IE: willpower of the mind), you too can meat the Haitian. :) Thanks for the insight because I wonder how you are able to defeat something like his power. --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 03:42, 26 September 2009 (EDT) |
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*** Consider this analogy that, while complete speculation, may help understand how The Haitian's power could work. I don't know how many people have ever tried placing a magnet near a CRT television (which are becoming less and less common nowadays), but a magnet will discolor the image (don't try this out on a good television, please). If you leave the magnet close to the television for too long the discoloration becomes permanent. His powers may work in a similar way. He may be able to interfere with the part of the brain that manifests the abilities. When he erases memories he could be using more intensity so that the interference leaves a permanent effect (like the magnet above). If his power works along these lines there are some interesting possibilities... could he kill someone by interfering with autonomic parts of the brain? It's interesting (albeit complete speculation on my part). ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:29, 12 December 2007 (EST)) |
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*** I thought in Arthur case because he had plenty of experience and multi-abilities, that if be hard for The Haitain to block them for a long time.[[User:50000JH/signature]] |
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== Peter == |
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Hello, I was watching last night's episode (The Fifth Stage) and was wondering about when Peter was suppressing Sylar's abilities. While Peter had Sylar pinned down and was using the Haitian's abilities to help Nathan, Sylar was able to shapeshift back into Nathan. I'm a little confused, as this would require Sylar/Nathan to have access to the shapeshifting ability. This means one of a couple things - either Peter was able to use the Haitian's power to use some degree of influence or control, relinquishing control of Sylar's abilities to "Nathan" while blocking Sylar out with erasure (unlikely as this would be the domain of Matt Parkman) or that the Haitian's ability or Peter's own usage of it allows him to suppress selective powers, including, to my surprise, RCR, while permitting the use of others. This seems more likely, and I doubt we will see the Haitain's ability come in to play against someone with multiple abilities again, but I'd like to see if anybody else had some input to what exactly happened. Mental Manipulation has always been an intriguing ability. Also, on another note, I think that Peter's description of the ability when he was confronting Sylar (I specifically remember him mentioning "Memory Erasing" and "Power Blocking") would be good for the quotes section for this page, since it's the first time I can remember his ability being described full on in simple terms ever, or at least in a long while. Thanks for your time. [[User:Shallon|Shallon]] 12:40, 1 December 2009 (EST) |
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I think this may be true, he seems ot have caused significant brain damage to Mrs. Bennet such as a hemorrage and complete memory loss at times. He must use a sort of electrical signal to kill the brain cells. |
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*Peter knew Sylar would have to shape shift back into Nathan. I think Peter let go of his "ability blocking hold" to allow him to shape shift.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 18:02, 2 December 2009 (EST) |
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**A wizard did it.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 18:36, 2 December 2009 (EST) |
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== Using ability at the same time == |
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[[User:horrorman|horrorman]] 12:44, 12 December 2007 (EST) |
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Just wondering can Haitian block someones ability while wiping their memory like if there were two people in a room could he block the one persons power while wiping the mind of the other?--[[User:Devane1835|Devane1835]] 18:54, 2 December 2009 |
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== Could the Haitians ability be lethal? == |
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== Power name confirmation == |
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*The Haitian was able to turn his villagers into mindless zombies by simply reaching in and taking their memories. Could he perhaps erase the brains capability of working, killing them? |
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[[User:horrorman|horrorman]] 18:17, 12 December 2007 (EST) |
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In Brother's Keeper (s04e11) Rene tells Nathan/Sylar not to come any closer, implying that if he's any closer to Nathan/Sylar, his ability will counteract Sylar's shape shifting ability. Perhaps shape shifting should be added to the list power that Rene can block? -- [[User:Lililoo|Lililoo]] |
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*I think its more that he knows who Sylar really is and doesn't want to see him. Also, he wanted to talk to Peter privatly.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 19:24, 29 March 2011 (EDT) |
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* So are we all in agreement that there's not enough evidence to say that "neurocognitive deficit" is explicitly a reference to the Haitian's power and/or its effects? If so, we should remove the rename.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:19, 13 December 2007 (EST) |
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** I agree with WG18. Plus, even if Rene were implying that he could block the power of shape shifting, it would be speculative and presumptuous to add it to the things Rene's power could do. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT) |
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== Arthur == |
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== "Call in a Nullifier! Call in the Haitian!" == |
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:''Arthur Petrelli has stolen this ability from an unknown source.'' |
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Nullification? As of the newest Graphic Novel, at least. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 04:12, 15 July 2008 (EDT) |
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Isn't it possible that he absorbed it from Peter? Peter never used this power while he had EM, but he was exposed to it several times, so he should have it even if he didn't realize. [[User:Sandubadear|Sandubadear]] ([[User talk:Sandubadear|talk]]) 15:13, 6 February 2016 (EST) |
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* Unfortunately, the comment isn't the same as explicitly saying the Haitian's ability is "ability nullification". The Haitian can both nullify abilities and erase memories, so that's why we have mental manipulation. I see what you're saying, though. See [[talk:constriction]] for a similar discussion.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 04:39, 15 July 2008 (EDT) |
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* When it comes to this ability name I'd really like to see the writers (or an actual episode of the show) give us a name for it. It's an ability we've seen for so long and is complicated to completely qualify with a single term so it'd be nice to have an authoritative source explicitly name it. An assignment tracker page would be fantastic. (hint hint) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 10:43, 15 July 2008 (EDT)) |
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* One could say he nullifies the target's memory. Also, the debate has been going on for so long now, if a profile was created, odds are the writers would just call it mental manipulation, like what happened with mediumship. --[[User:Yamawhata?|Yamawhata?]] 17:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT) |
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** Mediumship? Huh? RD Hall called it that before we even really had the page created. In fact, he sent me an email after our [[interview:R.D. Hall|interview]] and asked me if we had created the page yet. By coincidence, we had used the same name he said. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:50, 2 September 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Heh. FWIW, that was kind of a Neil Armstrong moment there, as regards to the RD Hall interview... When I transcribed that part of the interview, I guess I wasn't really able to make out what he had said. I thought he had said "Medium receptive" (as is documented in my initial transcription [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Interview:R.D._Hall&oldid=173967 here]). It was clarified afterwards that he meant "Mediumship" and supposedly had also said that.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:19, 2 September 2008 (EDT) |
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**** The impression I got from the mediumship page was that the writer borrowed our term for it. Sorry if I got it wrong. I was also thinking about intuitive aptitude, which I am sure we came up with long before they did. --[[User:Yamawhata?|Yamawhata?]] 16:46, 3 September 2008 (EDT) |
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Latest revision as of 20:13, 6 February 2016
| Ability Naming Conventions | |
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| The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order: | |
| 1. Canon Sources | Episodes |
| Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions | |
| 3. Secondary Sources | Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival |
| 4. Common names for abilities | Names from other works |
| 5. Descriptions of abilities | Descriptions |
| 6. Possessor's name | If no non-speculative description is possible |
| Source/Explanation | |
| René's ability is explicitly specified as mental manipulation on a Primatech ID badge in Graphic Novel:From the Files of Primatech, Part 8. | |
Most Recent Edit By RGS!
You said Peter needed to actively concentrate on healing the damaged parts for it to work however, as for some reason regeneration doesn't heal the damage automatically. I think the reason it doesn't heal automatically is that the body doesn't know it's been damaged so won't heal it. Also the fact that regeneration has something to do with the brain (the spot that stops it) it is more likely to have been damaged and stop the healing. Or at least that's what I think. --mc_hammark 06:56, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- I think you are right, it's about knowing you are hurt. When Peter thought about Nathan, his brain realized there's something wrong with it, and initiated rapid healing. It's different for Claire though, her ability evolved in the way brain automatically heals any trauma.
AltesUTC CH - well, physical trauma, not emotional. --mc_hammark 08:15, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- What does this have to do with me? My only edit to this page in the past couple months was to fix a couple spelling errors. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:24, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- You probably mentioned it in an edit in another article. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:00, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
Willpower?
Is it possible that with someone who has a tremendous amount of willpower, could actually not be affected by Haitian's power manipulation? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 19:17, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
- Matt and Arthur were able to overcome the Haitian's power, but that was rather linked to a great conscious effort. AltesUTC CH
- Some basically if you have a great conscious level (IE: willpower of the mind), you too can meat the Haitian. :) Thanks for the insight because I wonder how you are able to defeat something like his power. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 03:42, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
- I thought in Arthur case because he had plenty of experience and multi-abilities, that if be hard for The Haitain to block them for a long time.User:50000JH/signature
- Some basically if you have a great conscious level (IE: willpower of the mind), you too can meat the Haitian. :) Thanks for the insight because I wonder how you are able to defeat something like his power. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 03:42, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
Peter
Hello, I was watching last night's episode (The Fifth Stage) and was wondering about when Peter was suppressing Sylar's abilities. While Peter had Sylar pinned down and was using the Haitian's abilities to help Nathan, Sylar was able to shapeshift back into Nathan. I'm a little confused, as this would require Sylar/Nathan to have access to the shapeshifting ability. This means one of a couple things - either Peter was able to use the Haitian's power to use some degree of influence or control, relinquishing control of Sylar's abilities to "Nathan" while blocking Sylar out with erasure (unlikely as this would be the domain of Matt Parkman) or that the Haitian's ability or Peter's own usage of it allows him to suppress selective powers, including, to my surprise, RCR, while permitting the use of others. This seems more likely, and I doubt we will see the Haitain's ability come in to play against someone with multiple abilities again, but I'd like to see if anybody else had some input to what exactly happened. Mental Manipulation has always been an intriguing ability. Also, on another note, I think that Peter's description of the ability when he was confronting Sylar (I specifically remember him mentioning "Memory Erasing" and "Power Blocking") would be good for the quotes section for this page, since it's the first time I can remember his ability being described full on in simple terms ever, or at least in a long while. Thanks for your time. Shallon 12:40, 1 December 2009 (EST)
- Peter knew Sylar would have to shape shift back into Nathan. I think Peter let go of his "ability blocking hold" to allow him to shape shift.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:02, 2 December 2009 (EST)
- A wizard did it.Gamerelite1 18:36, 2 December 2009 (EST)
Using ability at the same time
Just wondering can Haitian block someones ability while wiping their memory like if there were two people in a room could he block the one persons power while wiping the mind of the other?--Devane1835 18:54, 2 December 2009
Power name confirmation
The latest GN explicitly confirms the Haitian's ability to be 'mental manipulation'. Just updated the related template now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:28, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
Possible Edit
In Brother's Keeper (s04e11) Rene tells Nathan/Sylar not to come any closer, implying that if he's any closer to Nathan/Sylar, his ability will counteract Sylar's shape shifting ability. Perhaps shape shifting should be added to the list power that Rene can block? -- Lililoo
- I think its more that he knows who Sylar really is and doesn't want to see him. Also, he wanted to talk to Peter privatly.--WarGrowlmon18 19:24, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
- I agree with WG18. Plus, even if Rene were implying that he could block the power of shape shifting, it would be speculative and presumptuous to add it to the things Rene's power could do. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
Arthur
- Arthur Petrelli has stolen this ability from an unknown source.
Isn't it possible that he absorbed it from Peter? Peter never used this power while he had EM, but he was exposed to it several times, so he should have it even if he didn't realize. Sandubadear (talk) 15:13, 6 February 2016 (EST)