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== Users being added to Characters category. == |
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I noticed that some users who have the character box on their page have been added to the "characters" category. Is there a way to avoid this? --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 20:44, 19 June 2007 (EDT) |
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*Good catch. I added some extra code, but the cache is slowly being cleared (probably because my code is so clunky). If [[:Category:Characters]] is still showing users, hit ctrl+F5 to clear the cache. It's slow, but it's working (I made the edit about a half hour ago and it's only gotten rid of about half the names from my list). However, this can be properly checked on the users' pages--if [[:Category:Characters]] is showing up on their actual page (after the cache has been flushed), then we have a problem. I'm not seeing that on any of the user pages I've checked, though. ... By the way, I also removed [[template:noimage]] from user pages without images. Same cache problem, though. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:50, 19 June 2007 (EDT) |
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:Try it now. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:36, 28 November 2006 (EST)) |
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**By the way, if somebody wants to clean up my code and put it on a little diet, I'd appreciate that. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:52, 19 June 2007 (EDT) |
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::Thanks you're brilliant! (Plus, I loved the "living impaired"!) [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|Ryangibsonstewart]] 15:42, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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==graphic novels== |
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I just wanted to add one thing to the template which lists the centric graphic novels of each character but i wanted to run it by everyone else first--[[User:Kettieli|Kettieli]] 10:35 19 July 2007 (HST) |
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* I don't think that's necessary if the character history already notes what graphic novels they were in. If we do include it, I think it's more something that would go in notes or trivia about the character than in the infobox.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:47, 19 July 2007 (EDT) |
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*Only problem is there's more than one graphic novel for many of the characters. For instance, Hana has been in 15 graphic novels, and Noah has been in 11 I believe. And the number keeps growing. Even if we combined the multi-parters into one GN, Noah would still have 7. If we list just the ones in which the character is the main focus, Hana would still have 9. I think it'd be fine for characters like Claire or Hiro, who only appear in a handful of GNs, but it'd look a bit unwieldy for others. Plus, we're only at the end of the first season--I'd be afraid of what it would look like after three or four seasons....I like how [[lostpedia:Main Page|Lostpedia]] has done that with centric flashback episodes, but the big difference is that the flashbacks are somewhat evenly distributed among the characters--not so with GNs. Also, there are only like 60 or 70 episodes by the end of the third season--we'll have almost that many by the time the summer is over. Like I said, I like the idea, I just don't think it's feasible to make it look nice. Besides, the GNs are listed in the character history. Hmm. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:51, 19 July 2007 (EDT) |
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*all right i'm glad i checked--[[User:Kettieli|Kettieli]] 11:02 19 July 2007 (HST) |
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== Other fields == |
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Ok, so are we adding departure and ep count? They don't show but now both Kettieli and Ryan have been modifying them... I think we should define them first on the template if we do plan to add them.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:57, 19 July 2007 (EDT) |
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We have a problem. [[Jackie]] died in Homecoming, but was actually last seen in Six Months Ago. I'm changing her infobox to "Six Months Ago", because that is literally when she 'last appeared'. --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 21:03, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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* Ah, Ryan mentioned on Kettieli's talk page that they are remnants (we're not using them anymore), so I'm going to delete them (ep count is in appearances anyways).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:05, 19 July 2007 (EDT) |
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*Agreed. That spot should be reserved for the last episode in which the character appeared. There is a death date spot in the template now, and that's where the death info should be... [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|Ryangibsonstewart]] 23:02, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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** I tend to think we should avoid the "last appearance" altogether for now. As we've seen with Jackie and Chandra, mere death does not guarantee they won't keep showing up.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:05, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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*** I agree entirely. I originally eliminated the "number of episodes" field a while back for a similar reason. It requires a lot of maintenance, provides very little useful information, and in this instance can be misleading. Besides with the per-episode character histories it's somewhat redundant since you could just look for the most recent history. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:12, 28 November 2006 (EST)) |
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**** What happens if we just pull it from the template? Will it automatically eat any extraneous variables fed to the template call?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:18, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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***** I believe so. Try it out. What's the worst that happens, you have to revert? :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:26, 28 November 2006 (EST)) |
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******Totally agree - take it out. Superfluous info, and can get rather confusing. [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|Ryangibsonstewart]] 23:32, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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******* Seems to work OK. See [[High roller]] for example. Good to know...--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:39, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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******** Great ... but now I'm wondering if the debut is even necessary? I mean, the same argument goes - with the per-episode character histories it's somewhat redundant since you could just look for the most recent history, right? Or am I just being silly? ... [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|Ryangibsonstewart]] 23:46, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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********* Well, at least the first appearance is pretty much set in stone. That said, it doesn't add much. I can go either way.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:48, 28 November 2006 (EST) |
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********** I say keep the "1st". It adds to the short character's boxes. --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 00:17, 29 November 2006 (EST) |
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== Just had an idea. == |
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==Minor Characters== |
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* I'm thinking that there should be a MinorCharacter=True/False flag that (if true) does '''not''' create a reference to an actor page if an actor name is provided.... This may cut down on the huge number of actor/actress pages on the [[Special:Wantedpages]] where it's really a one-off character (like a "thug" or a "guard", etc) I can code this up if you wish. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 09:53, 1 December 2006 (EST) |
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** Never mind... I now see that the square brackets are provided in the character page, and the template does not implicitly add references to cast pages. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 09:57, 1 December 2006 (EST) |
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This would apply for people like "Bob" and Maya. |
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== Origin == |
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Next to powers, rather than "None" or a name we are unsure of, how about "Unestablished."? |
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Can a location Parameter be added like in [[Template:Infobox_cast]]? [[User:Level|Level]] 13:33, 5 January 2007 (EST) |
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Maya's power is unestablished - we know she has a power, we've seen it's effects, but we don't know what is done exactly. |
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== Powers == |
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For Bob, we know he has a power, we've seen what it does, but we don't know the full effect. |
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Quick question: I want to standardize a few things. If a character does not have powers, should we put "Unknown", "None", or nothing at all? There are instances of all 3. I suggest "None". Any objections or suggestions? - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 00:45, 6 January 2007 (EST) |
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* I've always put "none" on anyone in Category:Humans, with the exception of people we knew were evolved but who hadn't shown powers (which was pretty much just Hana).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:48, 6 January 2007 (EST) |
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** And James Walker, and I guess David. And some people would consider Shanti and maybe Molly to have "unknown" powers. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 01:45, 6 January 2007 (EST) |
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*** Yeah, but Hana's the only one who was really ''confirmed'' to have unknown powers. Everybody else is just speculation. Even Micah used to say "None".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:51, 6 January 2007 (EST) |
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It'd apply more toward Maya, but I think it makes sense. |
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== Cleanup == |
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This template could use some work. There's no reason we should be stuck with "child(ren)" and things like that. We have the technology. We can rebuild it! Here are my suggestions: |
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* leave the variable for "child(ren)" as is. Change the display to "Children". Add another variable for "child". Change pages for people with 1 child to use "child" variable instead of "child(ren)" variable. That way, Angela will have "Children:" and Niki will have "Child:" |
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* Same for parent(s)/guardian(s) |
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* Same for power(s). We could get away with "Power" for everybody if it wasn't for that pesky Sylar... |
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* Same for siblings |
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The end result is that if we use the right variable, it will display properly, and can stop looking like a government form. The difficult part is we will have to check each and every character page. Most won't need any changes; some will. This actually does give us an opportunity to do things more smoothly, however: |
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* Set up Version 2.0 of this template at "Infobox character". It's more in line with the other sidebar templates anyway. |
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* As we change everyone from 'Character box' to 'infobox character', we can make sure they're calling the right variables. |
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* We can use "What links here" to keep track of our progress, and the changes to the template don't break anything since only verified articles will have the new template call. |
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It's another big project, and I'm not sure it's worth it, but there are other possible cleanup items we can address at the same time (like putting the image call in the template itself, so you don't have to type <tt><nowiki>[[Image:]]</nowiki></tt> every time ... this will let us adjust the portrait size through the template should the need arise. Another trick we can add if people want is defaulting the caption to the character's name if left blank. Any other ideas?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:15, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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:* Well, something popped into mind. If Admin could activate the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions WikiMeta:StringFunctions], we could use #pos command as a Find function, to detect if the <tt>children</TT> variable had a comma in it, then the title of the row could print plural Children, else print Child. Tricky, but makes the template much more dynamic. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 14:26, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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:** Hmmm. I wonder what "pos" returns if the character isn't found? Even if it's "0", there'd never be an article with a comma in position zero. We should be able to use it inside an <tt>ifeq:</tt>, test for the comma, and then display "Child:" or "Children:" as appropriate. Parent v. guardian is harder, but we don't really have anyone with a "guardian" yet (Claire's adopted, so they are her parents), so we could just add it as a separate variable for later use if needed. If the test works, we ''could'' make these changes without having to alter the template calls at all. For that matter, we could test the image= string for brackets to make it work whether the user supplies just the name of the file or the whole link. I like this idea...--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:33, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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:**[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions WikiMeta:StringFunctions] is now installed here. Have fun! :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 00:37, 17 January 2007 (EST)) |
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:* I would kind of like to see "Place of Residence" on there. Not so much what house they lived in (although that's cool, too), but what city they live in.<p> It's a big project, but I think it's worth it. You've brought up some great ideas. I'd be willing to go through the articles and search, change, etc. I'm not as much help in the templates department. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:37, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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:** That would be another good add, and since there aren't any uses of the variable yet, it can safely be added to the existing template without breaking anything.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:52, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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Feel free to "no" this. I just don't think Maya should have "None." =P--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:42, 24 September 2007 (EDT) |
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*OK, StringFunctions works perfectly! I did 'Children' and 'Parents' (and added a separate variable for 'Guardians'). However, we're still going to want to go through and make sure that nobody with only one child/parent/etc. has a comma. For example, right now [[Niki]] has "[[Jessica]], deceased" for 'Siblings'. We'll need to standardize these with parentheses instead of commas ("[[Jessica]] (deceased)"). Shouldn't be too bad. While I'm in there munching up the template, how do we want to label the Place of Residence/Place of Origin/Whatever? That way, we can fill that in as we check all the characters for standards compliance.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:01, 17 January 2007 (EST) |
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* This has been discussed several times. What it boils down to is that you can never confirm that someone doesn't have powers. Therefore, we don't divide characters into "people with powers" and "people without powers"--we divide them into "People with known powers" and "people with no known powers", and the criteria is that we've seen the character use a power. That's why why don't have a field labelled "powers"--we have a field labelled "known powers". We haven't seen Maya use a power. She has no known powers, although we can be pretty sure she does have a power.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:53, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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**Well, some places are cities, others are states, and others are countries. How about just "Place of Residence"? I think there's only a handful of people that lived in more than one place (Eden comes to mind), and maybe we cross that bridge as needed. Or, we could simply have a second "Place of Origin" for those cases. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 01:29, 17 January 2007 (EST) |
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* Ok, did some testing with StringFunctions, feel free to borrow this code for examples: |
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| colspan=3 bgcolor=#FFFFFF | #pos: returns # if character found, zero-length string if not |
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| <nowiki>{{#pos: {{{location}}} | , | 0 }}</nowiki> || Peter || {{#pos: Peter | , | 0 }} |
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| <nowiki>{{#pos: {{{location}}} | , | 0 }}</nowiki> || Peter, Paul || {{#pos: Peter,Paul | , | 0 }} |
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| colspan=3 bgcolor=#FFFFFF | together with #if, you can make a formula to return different text if the value contains a comma |
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| <nowiki>{{#if: {{#pos: {{{location}}} | , | 0 }} | Comma Found | Comma Not Found }}</nowiki> || Peter || {{#if: {{#pos: Peter | , | 0 }} | Comma Found | Comma Not Found }} |
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| <nowiki>{{#if: {{#pos: {{{location}}} | , | 0 }} | Comma Found | Comma Not Found }}</nowiki> || Peter, Paul || {{#if: {{#pos: Peter, Paul | , | 0 }} | Comma Found | Comma Not Found }} |
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| colspan=3 bgcolor=#FFFFFF | As far as detecting if a variable is a link (which is different than detecting if the article exists for the link), the #ifeq: only allows comparison against single bracket ( [, not [[ ). There may be a trick to it, but I haven't found it yet. |
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| <nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{#sub: {{{location}}} | 0 | 1 }} | [ | Is a Link | Is Not a Link }}</nowiki> || [[The map ]] || {{#ifeq: {{#sub: [[The map]] | 0 | 1 }} | [ | Is a Link | Is Not a Link }} |
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| colspan=3 bgcolor=#FFFFFF | Here's a formula to allow the user to enter any text they want for a location, without having to create a red link prompting a new page. |
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| <nowiki>{{#ifexist: {{{location}}} | [[{{{location}}}]] | {{{location}}} }}</nowiki> || Las Vegas, NV || {{#ifexist: Las Vegas, NV | [[Las Vegas, NV]] | Las Vegas, NV }} |
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| <nowiki>{{#ifexist: {{{location}}} | [[{{{location}}}]] | {{{location}}} }}</nowiki> || Albuquerque, NM || {{#ifexist: Albuquerque, NM | [[Albuquerque, NM]] | Albuquerque, NM }} |
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--[[User:Orne|Orne]] 10:48, 17 January 2007 (EST) |
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** Excellent. I made several adjustments so far: |
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**#Plurals for labels are handled properly for Nicknames, Aliases, Siblings, Parents, Guardians, Powers |
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**#I widened the box a bit and put nonbreaking spaces in the labels. Just looks better to have them on one line. |
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**#Image accepts either a linked (e.g. <tt><nowiki>[[Image:claire.jpg]]</nowiki></tt>) or an unlinked (e.g. <tt><nowiki>claire.jpg</nowiki></tt>) entry. |
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**#Added home. It will link to existing articles but won't create red links. This also means we can force things like <tt><nowiki>[[Brooklyn, NY]], formerly [[Madras, India]]</nowiki></tt> if we want. We can change the label to display whatever we'd like. |
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**#Italicised debut and made it accept either linked (e.g. <tt><nowiki>[[Episode:Genesis|Genesis]]</nowiki></tt>) or unlinked (e.g. <tt><nowiki>Genesis</nowiki></tt>) entries. |
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**I've added Home to the Main Characters and verified plurals are behaving properly for everybody but the Minor Characters.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 21:20, 17 January 2007 (EST) |
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== Issue with not having a character image == |
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I noticed that the page for [[Shanti Suresh]] was completely messed up and I finally managed to track the problem down to a missing image. As a fix I explicitly added the Blankperson.jpg. If you go to the article in question and delete the explicit reference, you will notice that you get a page full of code, and no the character box. Could someone who knows this template check that out? -- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 16:25, 24 January 2007 (EST) |
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: OK; looks like it was a temporary glitch somewhere. The article looks fine right now. -- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 16:28, 24 January 2007 (EST) |
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:: I was adjusting the whitespace the template was creating at the beginning of articles that are neither spoilers nor noimage articles (i.e. most of them) and inadvertantly broke it for noimage articles. It should work fine now.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 24 January 2007 (EST) |
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== Residence == |
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* I realize it's a little late in the conversation to discuss this, but I really intensely dislike these redirects and autolinks for Residence. A field labeled "Residence" on a page called "Claire Bennet" that just says "Claire Bennet's home" is just awful. It contains no useful information whatsoever--of ''course'' Claire Bennet lives in Claire Bennet's home. That's just pointless, except as an easy way to get a link in there. I'd really like to see us go back and edit these links manually to make them informative. We wouldn't have "Parents: Claire Bennet's parents" or "Known Power: Claire Bennet's power". It just looks lazy. Something like "Residence: Single family home in Costa Verde, CA" or "Residence: Loft apartment in Lower Manhattan" would actually mean we have ''information'' in the infobox and not just a knee-jerk link. I'd rather remove the field altogether than have it the way we do.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:48, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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** I have absolutely no problem with changing the links manually. I didn't have the original idea of including a residence on the page, but the idea has kind of grown on me, so I'm not keen on getting rid of it altogether. I like the descriptions you gave above. Even though both my parents are real estate agents, I know very little about describing homes. :) I think "single family home" would work for just about all the homes, with the exception of Meredith Gordon's home. Would the Petrelli mansion and The Petrellis' home be "single family homes" or "mansions" or something else? Also, Zane Taylor's home seems different, but I can't put my finger on it. As for apartments, the only one that would have a description other than "apartment" would be Isaac's loft, right? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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*** We can be as specific or as general as we want. The folks in New York let us use their neighborhood (<nowiki>[[Peter Petrelli's apartment|Apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan]]</nowiki>, or we can use their address if we have it (<nowiki>[[The Sanderses' home|37 Parker St, Henderson, NV]]</nowiki>). The way it is now just rubs me the wrong way. It's like picking up a package of Oreos, checking the label, and seeing "Ingredients: Oreos".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:35, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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****Leave it to Hardvice to come up with the cute analogies. Yeah, that sounds fine, and I like being as specific as possible where we have the specifics. It means there won't be any "standard" format for how it's worded, but that's fine with me....It looks like you've already changed some of the links. Thanks. I'll fix the character box so that we don't have a double row (see [[Meredith]]) and so it forces us to do it manually. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:40, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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*****...which you took care of too. Thanks! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:43, 30 September 2007 (EDT) |
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Should an "Other Relatives" field be added? [[user:Jebriggs98|Jebriggs98]] tried to add nephews and nieces to [[Peter Petrelli]]'s box, and I've thought about Grandparents on some. also I would like links to [[Family]] and to the family name disambigs but I don't know if they should be in here or in the article. -[[User:Level|Level]] 12:39, 7 February 2007 (EST) |
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*I think this is a great idea. I'm not so interested in the nephews and nieces links (as that can get pretty hairy, especially with the [[Petrelli]] Family), but think it would be especially helpful for grandparents. It's too bad we can't add [[Mohinder's grandmother]] to any infoboxes because we don't know if she's related through Chandra or Mohinder's mother. The same applies for [[Hana's grandmother]]. I don't think we need to have a separate field for grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles, third cousins once removed — "other relatives" is sufficient, in my opinion. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 12:48, 7 February 2007 (EST) |
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**[[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] mentioned something about gender for relatives in [[http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Kaito_Nakamura&action=history an edit]] to [[Kaito Nakamura]], maybe a small icon could be added. -[[User:Level|Level]] 13:32, 7 February 2007 (EST) |
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*** I worry about cluttering up these sidebars with too much information that's not about the character. I think if somebody wants to know a relative's gender and can't figure it out, then they can click the link and check that character's sidebar.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:54, 7 February 2007 (EST) |
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**I'm kind of weakly opposed to adding an "Other relatives" field. While there are cases where it could be helpful, I can just see people adding everyone that anyone's even remotely related to, accompanied by an oversized description (Heidi will be something like Claire's "biological step-mom", which is oxymoronic; Paulette Hawkins will be Jessica's "sister's mother-in-law", etc.) But if we keep on top of it, it's fine, though I don't think it adds ''that'' much value.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:54, 7 February 2007 (EST) |
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***Right, and I'm only weakly in favor of it. I think we should somehow keep it limited to direct relatives, if we do it at all. It's not necessary, and I'm personally only interested in the variable for grandparents. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:15, 7 February 2007 (EST) |
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==Autocat for Humans/Evolved Humans== |
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== First "Television" appearence? == |
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...should be working now. I got a bit scared when I saw Adam Monroe had neither category and hadn't for some time without us catching it. Here's the breakdown: |
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# If "known powers" or "power(s)" is None or none, adds Category:Humans |
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# If "known powers" or "power(s)" exists but is not None or none, adds Category:Evolved Humans |
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# If "known powers" or "power(s)" is blank, adds Category:Humans. All of the folks with potential powers were already in cat:Humans, so good enough |
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# If "known powers" or "power(s)" is Unknown, it adds [[:Category:Evolved Humans]]. It still displays as "Known powers: None" because "Known powers: Unknown" is dumb. This is really just for people from the list.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:48, 19 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Known vs Potential power == |
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For characters like Hana and Thompson... this might help people who don't view the comics understand when they started showing up? --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:29, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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*Hmmm... I like that idea. Although it might go the way of "Last appearance" and become superflous [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green;">Heroe</span>]] 22:48, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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**Personally I would say it's good enough to just leave it as it is and use the first appearance whether it be through graphic novel or episode. The first appearance info there isn't even very important since by just reading the character histories you can tell when the first appearance actually was. Since the graphic novels are listed in the histories as "Graphic Novel:" you can also just skim down and find the first episode they're mentioned in. But let's see what others say on the talk page. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:46, 26 February 2007 (EST)) |
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***If it were up to me, I would leave out all first or last appearances altogether. I think the history, as we've set it up, serves that purpose quite visually already. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 07:29, 27 February 2007 (EST) |
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* Could someone provide some examples where a character had a specific potential power that wasn't a "known power" and also isn't speculative? Since we can't include speculation I'm trying to understand when a potential power isn't a known power. I wan't to make sure this "potential power" field isn't speculation in disguise. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:00, 26 November 2007 (EST)) |
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== Gender == |
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* As far as I remember, it's for the Journal people and a few people from the map. It's for when someone has been identified as having a power (usually by Chandra) but it's never been displayed. Another example would be if a new character was introduced and their power was stated but not displayed ("I'm Jill, and I can make people's heads explode.") Apart from that, it shouldn't be used.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:43, 26 November 2007 (EST) |
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**In fact, to avoid it being used unduly, I'll remove it from [[template:newpage character]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:51, 26 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Nephews, Nieces, Uncles, and Aunts == |
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Technically, "Gender" is notin the right useage. "Gender" is the behavor of the different sexes, while "sex" is the physical differences. Thus, the Gender area should be changed to Sex. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green;">Heroe</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]]</small> 20:42, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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* On the off chance that we have a transexual or other non-traditionally gendered character, "gender" is a more useful option. It allows us to list a character's expressed or identified gender, and not be limited to their biological sex.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 21:29, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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This new information is nice to have, but it makes for a superlong character box, especially for people like [[Hana]] and [[Claire]]. It's also odd to see a box say "'''Uncle/Aunt''': [[Richard Drucker]]" when Richard is clearly not an aunt. I'd much rather see these four relations combined into a much simpler "Other relatives". That way cousins could be included, too, rather than adding a bunch of new lines to an already too-long infobox. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:10, 13 December 2007 (EST) |
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== reading part of a pagename == |
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* Good idea....I didn't like the idea of over-growing the charbox, but at this point, the charbox is the only place that we really catalog relationships. With the inter-relationships that are being revealed in the Gitelman clan, and the Petrellis, and eventually others...having a dump-bucket to put important relationships will be good to have. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 12/13/2007 13:14 (EST)</small> |
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**Just to reiterate (and resurrect) an [[Template talk:Character box/Archive 1#Other Relatives|old discussion]], we just need to make sure we stay on top of the relatives being added. I wouldn't add ''everyone'', generally just nephews/nieces and uncles/aunts. Maybe cousins, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:29, 13 December 2007 (EST) |
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== Debut == |
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So how would I make a template read just part of a pagename? For instance, I was trying to make the template return "Potential power" instead of "Known power" if the pagename started with "Journal" ... but it didn't quite work. Is that even a possibility? I took care of the problem another way, so I'm not going to change the template now -- I just want to grab some template education. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:03, 29 March 2007 (EDT) |
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Now that we have several characters that have made an appearance on the show after having been shown in the graphic novel, what are we going to consider they debut? The template description says the first <u>episode</u> they showed up in. Are we going to change this to the episode they first appeared in if there is an appearance listed for a graphic novel? --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 10:13, 24 September 2008 (EDT) |
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* <tt>#ifeq:</tt> tests for an exact match. You need to test for a partial match. I use <tt>#pos:</tt>, which looks for the position of a string within a string:<nowiki>{{#if: {{#pos:{{PAGENAME}}|Journal|}}|Possible power:|Power:}}</nowiki>--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:23, 29 March 2007 (EDT) |
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* We've always done the first episode or graphic novel the character has appeared in. (See [[Hana]] for an example of a character who appeared in a GN first.) I'll update the Usage section. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:56, 24 September 2008 (EDT) |
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**Great, now if only I could get [[brain removal|access]] to your [[brain]] all day long ... — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) |
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==Departure== |
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As there's a debut field, should there also be a departure field? The last episode for deceased or no longer featured characters? [[User:Aki|Aki]] 12:09, 10 December 2008 (EST) |
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Shouldn't we add a residence line in this template with a link to each people [[Apartment (disambig)|apartment]] or something like that ? It's pretty anoying when you are on [[Angela]]'s or [[Isaac]]'s page to find a link to their apartment. What do you guys think ? -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 17:41, 25 April 2007 (EDT) |
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* We used to have that field, but we got rid of it for two reasons. First, it's a logistical and maintenance nightmare trying to keep up with it, especially now that we have hundreds of pages about characters. But the other reason is that it's a very gray area. The debut is pretty solid--when is the first time we see the character? But the departure is a bit more ambiguous. Do you count when the character dies? The character's last appearance? Do you count flashbacks? What about the hundreds of characters who appear in one episode and that's it? What about if they continue to appear in graphic novels or Evolutions content? I think think the field is worth the trouble. If somebody wants to see the last time the character was mentioned, they can scroll down to see the last entry in the Character History. If they want to know the character's last appearance, the last time the character's name appears on the [[list of character appearances by episode]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:59, 10 December 2008 (EST) |
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* It's a great idea as far as the link is concerned; however, it's not really much in the way of information in an info box. ("Residence: Peter's apartment" -- gee, that's helpful!) I suppose it all comes down to how we word them ("Residence: <nowiki>[[Peter's apartment|Apartment on the lower east side, Manhattan]]</nowiki>" or "Residence: <nowiki>[[The Sanderses' home|Single-family home in Henderson, NV]]"</nowiki> is slightly more useful. Let's see what everybody says and then we can add it if people like the idea; we just need to be careful how we word the links so they're informative as well as ... linky.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:15, 25 April 2007 (EDT) |
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** Hehe my thought was only to have a link but you got a good point saying that more than a simple link, it has to be informative. -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 18:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT) |
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***It wouldn't hurt to have it, but it's just not necessary, simply because of the way we title our articles. I mean, really the only person I can think of whose home has a name is Meredith (and even then, we still call it "Meredith's home". As for putting a long description of where they live, that's great stuff, but should probably be put on the article's page, not the infobox. I'm not opposed to the idea, I just think there are better places for it than on the infobox. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 18:32, 25 April 2007 (EDT) |
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== Future characters == |
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*Gniiii!! We really need to add the ''Residence'' section in the Character infobox, I was searching for Niki's house both on D.L. and Niki's page and there is no way to find it expect reading episodic summary and pray for a link or click on Las Vegas link then read every location and find the Sanders' home.. Why the hell is it so hard to find those links ? It shouldn't be. As a regular on this wiki I found it typing Portal:Residences on the URL but any user should be able to find it in a much more easy way. Or we have to discuss the creation of a special section in each character page <nowiki>==Home==</nowiki> with a link to their home. If it's not on the infobox it has to be on the page in a non-random place! We have to do something with this problem! -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 16:04, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**Just a reply so that I hope ppl will catch this problem and discuss it! Let's go ppl. We need to find a way to deal with this problem, or if it isn't a problem for you, tell me how you find someone's home without knowing by hearth the page/cat/portal ? -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 15:08, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*** I haven't really searched for residences, but lines in the character box called 'Current Residence' and 'Current location' sounds like a good idea. It could point to the city if we don't know exactly where they are.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 15:22, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***It's not really a problem for me to find a particular residence, but if I were searching for somebody's home, I would think of their last name and type it in ([[Sanders]] lists [[the Sanderses' home]], for instance). You can also go to [[home]] or [[apartment]] for a full listing of homes and apartments, or go directly to [[residences]] for the portal. Those are all quick links to some helpful pages, much more helpful, in my opinion, than searching through a character's page. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:29, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****Well as you wish, for me this infobox is a kind of identity card, with name,age, occupation, power etc... The only one thing that is missing is the place where the char live. Adding this section in the template isn't a big move so I just think we should do it, if it doesn't makes things more clear, in any case, it won't make things less clear so that's not a big deal to simplify the navigation by addind one single line :) - My 2 cents, I've said everything I had about this :) Let's do as you want for now. -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 15:38, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****I'm not opposed to it, I just don't see much value in it. Sure, it's easy to add to the template, but going back to the 50 or so characters who have homes and adding that info is a hassle. Plus, I think it's kind of intuitive: "[[Peter Petrelli]] lives in ... [[Peter Petrelli's apartment]]." If somebody wants to do it, that's fine, it would be a nice addition, I just don't see the point. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:43, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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******I suppose a really easy way to add residences without making a change to each character's page would be to somehow use the pagename. This all goes beyond my knowledge of templates, so somebody much wiser would have to do this, but I suppose we could make it say "if a <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}'s</nowiki> apartment exists, then then link it." (That's my summary of code. Like it?) That really wouldn't work for homes since I don't know any way to turn [[Niki Sanders]] into [[the Sanderses' home]]. Oh well. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:49, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*******On second thought, I guess the "so-and-so's home" problem can be taken care of with redirects. For instance, create a redirect for "Niki Sanders's home" to point to "The Sanderses' home". Then we could say (more Ryan-code), "if <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}'s</nowiki> home exists, then link it." It would say "Niki Sanders's home" instead of [[the Sanderses' home]], but I guess that's okay. It would still mean a lot of redirects for homes named for the family rather than the individual (which might be a good idea anyway), but I'm still not sure I see the value in going to all that trouble. However, I just spent more than enough time talking about it, so maybe it is worth it afterall. :) I'll see what I can do when I get home. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:55, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**** I agree with [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']], mostly because I can't spell, I guess I could find the name and copy it to the search box, but wouldn't it be much easer to have a link? Often when I don't know how to spell the title of a page I want to find, I go though several pages looking for links. To me the best thing about a wiki is links. It would also be nice to have a link to the family tree page. -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 16:00, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****Well, the point is => An EASY navigation is a good navigation. As far as the infobox is ... an <u>''info''</u>box it should be fulled with... infos! And I think the place where characters live isn't a small info so I don't see why we haven't this line in the box since a long time!! We know the town but not where in the town !! If the article exists, it should be linked! The only way to have someone's home is to get a link from a disambig with everybody's home... This isn't very logic. Someone's house should be linked on the ''someone'''s page. :) -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 16:08, 9 May 2007 (EDT) |
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We need a standard for what past (present) information belongs on future character pages. For example, [[Gabriel Gray (exposed future)]] lists [[Sylar's apartment]] as his former residence, but [[Sylar (explosion future)]] does not. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 19:31, 15 January 2009 (EST) |
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==First mention== |
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* It should. Anything that was the present when we were introduced to the future character would be considered part of that character's history. So Explosion Sylar's former apartment is [[Sylar's apartment]]. Future Angela has two sons. Explosion Peter absorbed [[precognition]], but not [[lightning]]. Exposed Peter, however, absorbed [[illusion]], though Explosion Peter did not. Yet both were born on [[December 23, 1979]] and once lived in [[Peter's apartment]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:46, 15 January 2009 (EST) |
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Hi. I'd like to suggest that the "First mention" field in the infobox be retained even after a character has appeared. This makes the character's information more complete, and is also a point of note especially for characters with a long build-up before their first appearance, such as Linderman, Sylar, D.L., and later on probably others on the List, Shanti Suresh and Mrs Nakamura (and maybe Uluru). --[[User:Mercury McKinnon|Mercury McKinnon]] 07:18, 4 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*I don't think it's necessary. That's what a character history is for. (I don't think a first appearance is necessary either, but that's just me.) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 07:34, 4 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**I agree it's a little redundant with the Character History section, but (a) the character box provides the info at a glance, and (b) looking forward (like after the first season) won't the Character History be compressed (such that it no longer lists every episode and graphic novel, but summarizes a season) and one would then not be able to tell from it an older character's first episodic mention/appearance? --[[User:Mercury McKinnon|Mercury McKinnon]] 07:50, 4 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*** It's really intended to be the same field as "first appearance", only with a different label. That's why it's an either/or. The idea is to keep the infoboxes as consistent as possible from character to character. It was also supposed to auto-add [[:Category:Unseen Characters]] but wasn't doind so; that's been fixed.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 12:23, 4 May 2007 (EDT) |
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== List in-laws? == |
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Some pages list in-laws as relatives; some don't. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 21:00, 18 January 2009 (EST) |
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Okay, so I think I added a semi-automatic "residence" line on the character box. If PAGENAME's home or apartment exists, it will link. This is no problem for people like [[Isaac Mendez]] or [[Paulette Hawkins]], since [[Isaac Mendez's apartment]] and [[Paulette Hawkins's home]] exist. It gets trickier with people like [[Casey Z. Smith]] whose home is called [[Casey Smith's apartment]], not [[Casey Z. Smith's apartment]]. Same goes for people where multiple people live, such as the Bennets. So I made a redirect for [[Mr. Bennet's home]] (to [[The Bennets' home]], and now it works (after I changed PAGENAME to PAGENAMEE). But it's working for some, but not for all. For instance, [[Molly Walker's home]] redirects to [[The Walkers' home]], but the link isn't showing up on Molly's character box. I've cleared my cache, but still nothing. Hmm. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:02, 10 May 2007 (EDT) |
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* Feel free to list in-laws in the "other relatives" section of the character box. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:38, 18 January 2009 (EST) |
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*Weird. So I added PAGENAMEE to the actual link--that worked, but it added annoying underscores. When I took it out, all the links worked. Maybe it's just an odd thing that happens where the template needs to be resaved or something. Odd indeed. (By the way, [[Meredith Gordon]] has both an apartment and a home, so she has "Residence" listed twice on her info box. This is odd to me, but not terrible. Does anybody else care that it's on there twice?) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:33, 10 May 2007 (EDT) |
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** I know you're trying to automate this, and that's cool, but can you also include a manual residence= option that works as an override? That way, we can modify the mismatches individually instead of adding redirect after redirect. It will kill two birds with one stone, so to speak (it takes care of the multi-residence problem and customization).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:51, 10 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***Done. I think it will still link automatically to the apartment (I don't know how to override both), but there seem to be more problems with the homes. Redirects (which are a good idea anyway) will still work as a default, but can be overridden by adding <code>residence =</code>. Hope that helps. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:39, 10 May 2007 (EDT) |
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== TEMPLATE ADDITION? "Killed by" == |
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== Unknown Powers == |
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So, when these templates were first made, most of the characters remained alive at the end of the day. Nowadays, characters (both big and small) have a tendency to drop dead fairly often. I'd like to propose that we add (and painstakingly apply) a "Killed by" section to the Character box template. Thoughts? --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 11:13, 24 November 2009 (EST) |
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We've run into a situation lately in which we have a few confirmed evolved humans, but we don't know their powers. Up to now, the <tt>power(s)</tt> variable has been automated to say "Known power". We've had a lot of new users who, justifiably, change "None" to "Unknown" for the <tt>power(s)</tt> variable. It looks silly to have the infobox read "Known power: Unknown", so we've been dutifully changing it back to "Known power: None". I just changed it so it will read "Power: Unknown" if <tt>Unknown</tt> is entered for the variable. This to me makes a lot more sense: If we don't know the [[Crane boy]]'s power, for instance, why should it say "Known power"? .... I think I took care of all the confirmed but unknown powered people (like [[Sparrow]] and [[James]], who are two biggies in this category), but if I'm missing any, feel free to go ahead and change it or to let me know. And now I guess we don't have to worry about any silly back-and-forth with semantics, well-intentioned new users, or standardization-driven users. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 12:13, 13 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*I wouldn't mind it. Sounds good to me.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 11:29, 24 November 2009 (EST) |
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*I'm not understanding why "Power: Unknown" is wrong, and "Known power: None" is correct for those who are confirmed evolved humans but their powers are unknown. Even though "Known power: None" is correct, I find it quite misleading. "Power: Unknown" for these individuals (including the [[Crane boy]], and others from the list like [[Penkala Burton]]) seems perfectly acceptable. What is the reason for having it say "Known power: None" in thse cases? — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:11, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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** I don't think it's necessary. It's a lot of backlogging of information on a template that is already huge. Plus, there are a lot of times that people debate who it was who actually killed a character (like was it Sylar or Peter who killed Arthur? or was Hank killed by Sylar or Matt?)... Usually, if it's a significant person who killed the character, we'll say "deceased" and link it to the killer's page of victims: ([[Sylar's victims|deceased]]), for instance. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:58, 24 November 2009 (EST) |
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** Hmm, I think Hardvice is trying to prevent confusion for people like Peter Petrelli and Sylar, where they both have powers we haven't seen them use. There's so many times that people add powers prematurely without it being known.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:24, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*** If we add this, I think something like "Current status:" would be more useful. For instance "Current status: Killed by Sylar" or "Current status: Incarcerated", etc. For unclear deaths like Arthur's, it could simply be "Current status: Dead". However, I'm not sure this is really necessary.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 20:05, 24 November 2009 (EST) |
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***But the way the template [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Character_box&oldid=66198 was], it would always say "Known powers", unless <tt>Unknown</tt> was entered. That's not the case for Sylar or Peter. In fact, I believe the reason "Superpowers" was [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template%3ACharacter_box&diff=37185&oldid=35526 orginally changed] to "Known Powers" was to deal with the power absorbing issue. Putting just "Power: Unknown" change anything. Peter and Sylar's box still would appropriately say "Known powers". I'm not taking issue with the term "Known powers" in general -- I think it's a great term to use. I'm taking issue with its usage on people whose powers are unknown. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:04, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**** As an alternative, what about a "Cause of death" section? This would include murder, as well as suicide, drowning, car accident, explosion, Shanti virus, etc. I tried to add it, but it looks like it messed up pages (not really sure what went wrong with it). --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 18:34, 25 November 2009 (EST) |
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**** There's also the case where people like the Crane boy might not be able to exhibit powers yet, even though his genes suggest he will eventually develop them. Suggest is the right word, as we don't know if he'll ever exhibit powers. The gene could just go dormant in some people. That's another potential reason for "Power: Unknown" not to fit.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:41, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***** Cause of death is probably best left to the page about [[death]] (which, by the way, needs to be updated). -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:48, 25 November 2009 (EST) |
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** Mostly, it's to prevent pointless arguments about who has an "unknown" power and who has no known powers. People get into edit wars over who has and hasn't been "confirmed" to be an evolved human based on their admission or some external source. The line we've traditionally used is whether the character has displayed a power. Listing only "known powers" in the infobox mirrors this practice. It also prevents inaccuracies because we never say ''anyone'', even those who are almost certainly humans, has "no" powers. Basically, it divides the characters into those who have displayed a power and those who haven't, just like [[:Category: Humans]] and [[:Category: Evolved Humans]]--a nice, bright line that we can determine using only the primary sources. There's no real value to be gained in saying someone has unknown powers versus saying someone has no known powers because the latter entirely encompasses the former. If there's enough external evidence to establish someone as an evolved human without a power being shown (like James Walker), then that character can be moved to Evolved Humans, and the reasoning can be explained in the Notes section (as it is for James). There's no point in opening a gaping hole in the template that invites edit wars and confusion or honest mistakes about standard practices when using a consistent field produces results that are just as true: James Walker has no known powers, though he may have unknown powers. So might Angela Petrelli, Charles Deveaux, or Kaito Nakamura, and so might Ando or Audrey, though in their case there's less reason to believe so.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:25, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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** But really, that's not the only reason to avoid this reflex. It might be helpful for, say, James and Penkala, but it's more trouble than it's worth for the other 162 characters who have yet to display a power: |
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*** '''Consistency''': It's a bit odd to have 2 or 3 characters have a field labeled "Powers" and 200+ others have a field labeled "known powers". It's like 22 episodes listing a three-digit episode number and one listing a two-digit episode number. |
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*** '''Confusion''': Arising from that, there's also the issue of "training" new users to use the templates properly. It's bad enough that the variable is named "powers" but the field is named "known powers", but I for one am unwilling to update 200+ character pages just to rename the variable. However, having multiple characters use different approaches makes it harder for new users to understand how the template works. A user who looks at [[James Walker]] for an example has a different understanding of our practices than one who looks at [[Angela Petrelli]]. |
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*** '''Speculation''': We don't ''really'' know that anyone has "unknown powers". We have no idea how accurate the list is. Anyone on it could be a false positive, including James Walker. There could be people who carry the evolved genes but have no powers. And the fact that Sylar has taken someone's brain doesn't really lend any weight since he was just working off the list. The only real way to confirm someone has a power is to see it, so there's really no such thing as an "unknown power". [[James Walker]] actually bears this out: his Powers section makes it clear that, while he had his brain removed and was on the list, his evolved status is technically unconfirmed. "Powers: Unknown" doesn't really do that satisfactorily, nor can it really be done properly in an infobox. |
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*** '''Semantics''': "Powers: Unknown" doesn't ''necessarily'' mean "the character has powers, but we don't know them". It could just as easily mean "we don't know if the character has powers", which is the exact same thing as "Known powers: None". So we're sacrificing consistency and clarity and not really gaining anything. Again, an infobox is not the place to explain that a character almost certainly has powers, but we haven't seen them. |
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*** '''Taxonomy''': We currently categorize on a two-part taxonomy: confirmed evolved humans, and everybody else. "Known powers: Enhanced defenestration", "Known powers: None", and "Powers: Unknown" implies a three-part taxonomy -- that there's something categorically different about the third group. If that's the case, we need Category: Suspected Evolved Humans--and that's just opening the door to speculation.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:03, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****Okay, thanks for clearing that up a bit. I don't think putting "Powers: Unknown" implies another category, unless there are two categories of evovled humans, which is not a bad idea. I also don't think it invites speculation in cases like Angela, but maybe that's just because I'm somewhat more familiar with the terminology than a newer user. But you make some other good points and I appreciate you taking the time to help a stubborn soul like me. In the end, I don't think "Known powers: None" is bad, it's obviously an accurate description. I mostly want to avoid people seeing the template say <tt>|power(s) = None</tt> and want to change it, since that really ''is'' incorrect and people don't always know that that reflex yields "Known powers: None".... And thanks for introducing me to the word ''defenestration''. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:13, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****Actually, I've been thinking about that, and we can do what we did with the old parents and guardians bit: add a second variable, "known powers", and update the documentation (and the new article button) to use it, while leaving the old code intact but undocumented to handle existing articles. We can test to make sure it doesn't print twice on the off chance somebody puts both "known powers" and "powers". I'll do that now.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:55, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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== WantedPages == |
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==Autocat for Evolved/Unevolved== |
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I removed this reflex for now because it wasn't working. Humans (those with "None" in powers) weren't being added to [[:Category:Humans]] for some reason. Worse, humans with "none" (lower-case n) were being added to Evolved Humans (Zahava Gitelman, Beth Lindall, and Nurse Jennifer). Also, lots of Wiki users use this template on their user pages; they were also being added to Evolved Humans (as was [[Incidental Heroes]], which also uses the template). It's not necessarily a bad idea, but there needs to be a way to override it; simply adding the other category manually won't do it because that will just put the character in both Humans and Evolved Humans. This is the sort of large-scale change which could potentially effect a ton of articles that's better off being tested in its own temporary template, rather than live. |
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This template is currently producing a ton of [[Special:WantedPages]], I am not sure why. -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 15:12, 3 June 2015 (EDT) |
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If we decide to implement this, here are a few concerns we need to address before it goes live: |
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# The tests need to be case-insensitive. (Yes, the pages above should be changed from "none" to "None", but there's no guarantee it won't happen again, and a less template savvy user is unlikely to be able to figure out why their page is showing up in the wrong category.) Easy enough. |
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# It needs to exclude userpages. Easy enough. |
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# It needs to exclude non-character pages like [[Incidental Heroes]] on which it's used. This one's tougher. We can add a variable to turn the reflex off, but there's no guarantee people will use it. |
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# It needs to allow for a way to override the default reflex. Just relying on people putting "unknown" instead of "none" is going to be confusing and lead to a lot of false negatives and false positives. We may need an "evolved=true" or "evolved=false" flag that can force a character into either evolved humans or humans regardless of the entry in powers. Of course, that flag defeats the whole purpose of the autocat. |
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--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:04, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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* Good points. The changes kept seeming to be more comlicated, so I will work on this in a test template, especially the auto categorizing as Evolved or not stuff has been tricky. Some of it seems to work fine, like the auto-deceased and auto adding to characters category, but I'll work on the other stuff in a different way. [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 14:34, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**I'm not so sure it's necessary to autocategorize for evolved humans. Right now, there are 50 people in [[:Category:Evolved Humans]]. All but 7 (8 if you count Future Sylar) and the [[journal]] people require a cat override for sorting. In other words, an automatic category would only be useful for a handful of people, because the rest would need to be cat sorted. I think it's more trouble than it's worth. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:25, 23 May 2007 (EDT) |
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* FYI I mentioned how to do case-insensitive matching over [[Template_talk:Afd|here]] by normalizing the values beforehand. I know we do it currently by just skipping the first letter, but this way is a little cleaner. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:38, 23 May 2007 (EDT)) |
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== Users being added to Characters category. == |
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I noticed that some users who have the character box on their page have been added to the "characters" category. Is there a way to avoid this? --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 20:44, 19 June 2007 (EDT) |
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*Good catch. I added some extra code, but the cache is slowly being cleared (probably because my code is so clunky). If [[:Category:Characters]] is still showing users, hit ctrl+F5 to clear the cache. It's slow, but it's working (I made the edit about a half hour ago and it's only gotten rid of about half the names from my list). However, this can be properly checked on the users' pages--if [[:Category:Characters]] is showing up on their actual page (after the cache has been flushed), then we have a problem. I'm not seeing that on any of the user pages I've checked, though. ... By the way, I also removed [[template:noimage]] from user pages without images. Same cache problem, though. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:50, 19 June 2007 (EDT) |
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Users being added to Characters category.
I noticed that some users who have the character box on their page have been added to the "characters" category. Is there a way to avoid this? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 20:44, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
- Good catch. I added some extra code, but the cache is slowly being cleared (probably because my code is so clunky). If Category:Characters is still showing users, hit ctrl+F5 to clear the cache. It's slow, but it's working (I made the edit about a half hour ago and it's only gotten rid of about half the names from my list). However, this can be properly checked on the users' pages--if Category:Characters is showing up on their actual page (after the cache has been flushed), then we have a problem. I'm not seeing that on any of the user pages I've checked, though. ... By the way, I also removed template:noimage from user pages without images. Same cache problem, though. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:50, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
- By the way, if somebody wants to clean up my code and put it on a little diet, I'd appreciate that. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:52, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
graphic novels
I just wanted to add one thing to the template which lists the centric graphic novels of each character but i wanted to run it by everyone else first--Kettieli 10:35 19 July 2007 (HST)
- I don't think that's necessary if the character history already notes what graphic novels they were in. If we do include it, I think it's more something that would go in notes or trivia about the character than in the infobox.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:47, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
- Only problem is there's more than one graphic novel for many of the characters. For instance, Hana has been in 15 graphic novels, and Noah has been in 11 I believe. And the number keeps growing. Even if we combined the multi-parters into one GN, Noah would still have 7. If we list just the ones in which the character is the main focus, Hana would still have 9. I think it'd be fine for characters like Claire or Hiro, who only appear in a handful of GNs, but it'd look a bit unwieldy for others. Plus, we're only at the end of the first season--I'd be afraid of what it would look like after three or four seasons....I like how Lostpedia has done that with centric flashback episodes, but the big difference is that the flashbacks are somewhat evenly distributed among the characters--not so with GNs. Also, there are only like 60 or 70 episodes by the end of the third season--we'll have almost that many by the time the summer is over. Like I said, I like the idea, I just don't think it's feasible to make it look nice. Besides, the GNs are listed in the character history. Hmm. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:51, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
- all right i'm glad i checked--Kettieli 11:02 19 July 2007 (HST)
Other fields
Ok, so are we adding departure and ep count? They don't show but now both Kettieli and Ryan have been modifying them... I think we should define them first on the template if we do plan to add them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:57, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
- Ah, Ryan mentioned on Kettieli's talk page that they are remnants (we're not using them anymore), so I'm going to delete them (ep count is in appearances anyways).--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
Just had an idea.
This would apply for people like "Bob" and Maya.
Next to powers, rather than "None" or a name we are unsure of, how about "Unestablished."?
Maya's power is unestablished - we know she has a power, we've seen it's effects, but we don't know what is done exactly.
For Bob, we know he has a power, we've seen what it does, but we don't know the full effect.
It'd apply more toward Maya, but I think it makes sense.
Feel free to "no" this. I just don't think Maya should have "None." =P--Riddler 22:42, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
- This has been discussed several times. What it boils down to is that you can never confirm that someone doesn't have powers. Therefore, we don't divide characters into "people with powers" and "people without powers"--we divide them into "People with known powers" and "people with no known powers", and the criteria is that we've seen the character use a power. That's why why don't have a field labelled "powers"--we have a field labelled "known powers". We haven't seen Maya use a power. She has no known powers, although we can be pretty sure she does have a power.--Hardvice (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Residence
- I realize it's a little late in the conversation to discuss this, but I really intensely dislike these redirects and autolinks for Residence. A field labeled "Residence" on a page called "Claire Bennet" that just says "Claire Bennet's home" is just awful. It contains no useful information whatsoever--of course Claire Bennet lives in Claire Bennet's home. That's just pointless, except as an easy way to get a link in there. I'd really like to see us go back and edit these links manually to make them informative. We wouldn't have "Parents: Claire Bennet's parents" or "Known Power: Claire Bennet's power". It just looks lazy. Something like "Residence: Single family home in Costa Verde, CA" or "Residence: Loft apartment in Lower Manhattan" would actually mean we have information in the infobox and not just a knee-jerk link. I'd rather remove the field altogether than have it the way we do.--Hardvice (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- I have absolutely no problem with changing the links manually. I didn't have the original idea of including a residence on the page, but the idea has kind of grown on me, so I'm not keen on getting rid of it altogether. I like the descriptions you gave above. Even though both my parents are real estate agents, I know very little about describing homes. :) I think "single family home" would work for just about all the homes, with the exception of Meredith Gordon's home. Would the Petrelli mansion and The Petrellis' home be "single family homes" or "mansions" or something else? Also, Zane Taylor's home seems different, but I can't put my finger on it. As for apartments, the only one that would have a description other than "apartment" would be Isaac's loft, right? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- We can be as specific or as general as we want. The folks in New York let us use their neighborhood ([[Peter Petrelli's apartment|Apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan]], or we can use their address if we have it ([[The Sanderses' home|37 Parker St, Henderson, NV]]). The way it is now just rubs me the wrong way. It's like picking up a package of Oreos, checking the label, and seeing "Ingredients: Oreos".--Hardvice (talk) 18:35, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- Leave it to Hardvice to come up with the cute analogies. Yeah, that sounds fine, and I like being as specific as possible where we have the specifics. It means there won't be any "standard" format for how it's worded, but that's fine with me....It looks like you've already changed some of the links. Thanks. I'll fix the character box so that we don't have a double row (see Meredith) and so it forces us to do it manually. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- ...which you took care of too. Thanks! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:43, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- Leave it to Hardvice to come up with the cute analogies. Yeah, that sounds fine, and I like being as specific as possible where we have the specifics. It means there won't be any "standard" format for how it's worded, but that's fine with me....It looks like you've already changed some of the links. Thanks. I'll fix the character box so that we don't have a double row (see Meredith) and so it forces us to do it manually. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- We can be as specific or as general as we want. The folks in New York let us use their neighborhood ([[Peter Petrelli's apartment|Apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan]], or we can use their address if we have it ([[The Sanderses' home|37 Parker St, Henderson, NV]]). The way it is now just rubs me the wrong way. It's like picking up a package of Oreos, checking the label, and seeing "Ingredients: Oreos".--Hardvice (talk) 18:35, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- I have absolutely no problem with changing the links manually. I didn't have the original idea of including a residence on the page, but the idea has kind of grown on me, so I'm not keen on getting rid of it altogether. I like the descriptions you gave above. Even though both my parents are real estate agents, I know very little about describing homes. :) I think "single family home" would work for just about all the homes, with the exception of Meredith Gordon's home. Would the Petrelli mansion and The Petrellis' home be "single family homes" or "mansions" or something else? Also, Zane Taylor's home seems different, but I can't put my finger on it. As for apartments, the only one that would have a description other than "apartment" would be Isaac's loft, right? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Autocat for Humans/Evolved Humans
...should be working now. I got a bit scared when I saw Adam Monroe had neither category and hadn't for some time without us catching it. Here's the breakdown:
- If "known powers" or "power(s)" is None or none, adds Category:Humans
- If "known powers" or "power(s)" exists but is not None or none, adds Category:Evolved Humans
- If "known powers" or "power(s)" is blank, adds Category:Humans. All of the folks with potential powers were already in cat:Humans, so good enough
- If "known powers" or "power(s)" is Unknown, it adds Category:Evolved Humans. It still displays as "Known powers: None" because "Known powers: Unknown" is dumb. This is really just for people from the list.--Hardvice (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2007 (EST)
Known vs Potential power
- Could someone provide some examples where a character had a specific potential power that wasn't a "known power" and also isn't speculative? Since we can't include speculation I'm trying to understand when a potential power isn't a known power. I wan't to make sure this "potential power" field isn't speculation in disguise. (Admin 18:00, 26 November 2007 (EST))
- As far as I remember, it's for the Journal people and a few people from the map. It's for when someone has been identified as having a power (usually by Chandra) but it's never been displayed. Another example would be if a new character was introduced and their power was stated but not displayed ("I'm Jill, and I can make people's heads explode.") Apart from that, it shouldn't be used.--Hardvice (talk) 18:43, 26 November 2007 (EST)
- In fact, to avoid it being used unduly, I'll remove it from template:newpage character. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2007 (EST)
Nephews, Nieces, Uncles, and Aunts
This new information is nice to have, but it makes for a superlong character box, especially for people like Hana and Claire. It's also odd to see a box say "Uncle/Aunt: Richard Drucker" when Richard is clearly not an aunt. I'd much rather see these four relations combined into a much simpler "Other relatives". That way cousins could be included, too, rather than adding a bunch of new lines to an already too-long infobox. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)
- Good idea....I didn't like the idea of over-growing the charbox, but at this point, the charbox is the only place that we really catalog relationships. With the inter-relationships that are being revealed in the Gitelman clan, and the Petrellis, and eventually others...having a dump-bucket to put important relationships will be good to have. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/13/2007 13:14 (EST)
- Just to reiterate (and resurrect) an old discussion, we just need to make sure we stay on top of the relatives being added. I wouldn't add everyone, generally just nephews/nieces and uncles/aunts. Maybe cousins, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:29, 13 December 2007 (EST)
Debut
Now that we have several characters that have made an appearance on the show after having been shown in the graphic novel, what are we going to consider they debut? The template description says the first episode they showed up in. Are we going to change this to the episode they first appeared in if there is an appearance listed for a graphic novel? --Pinkkeith 10:13, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
- We've always done the first episode or graphic novel the character has appeared in. (See Hana for an example of a character who appeared in a GN first.) I'll update the Usage section. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:56, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
Departure
As there's a debut field, should there also be a departure field? The last episode for deceased or no longer featured characters? Aki 12:09, 10 December 2008 (EST)
- We used to have that field, but we got rid of it for two reasons. First, it's a logistical and maintenance nightmare trying to keep up with it, especially now that we have hundreds of pages about characters. But the other reason is that it's a very gray area. The debut is pretty solid--when is the first time we see the character? But the departure is a bit more ambiguous. Do you count when the character dies? The character's last appearance? Do you count flashbacks? What about the hundreds of characters who appear in one episode and that's it? What about if they continue to appear in graphic novels or Evolutions content? I think think the field is worth the trouble. If somebody wants to see the last time the character was mentioned, they can scroll down to see the last entry in the Character History. If they want to know the character's last appearance, the last time the character's name appears on the list of character appearances by episode. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:59, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Future characters
We need a standard for what past (present) information belongs on future character pages. For example, Gabriel Gray (exposed future) lists Sylar's apartment as his former residence, but Sylar (explosion future) does not. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:31, 15 January 2009 (EST)
- It should. Anything that was the present when we were introduced to the future character would be considered part of that character's history. So Explosion Sylar's former apartment is Sylar's apartment. Future Angela has two sons. Explosion Peter absorbed precognition, but not lightning. Exposed Peter, however, absorbed illusion, though Explosion Peter did not. Yet both were born on December 23, 1979 and once lived in Peter's apartment. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2009 (EST)
List in-laws?
Some pages list in-laws as relatives; some don't. - Josh (talk/contribs) 21:00, 18 January 2009 (EST)
- Feel free to list in-laws in the "other relatives" section of the character box. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:38, 18 January 2009 (EST)
TEMPLATE ADDITION? "Killed by"
So, when these templates were first made, most of the characters remained alive at the end of the day. Nowadays, characters (both big and small) have a tendency to drop dead fairly often. I'd like to propose that we add (and painstakingly apply) a "Killed by" section to the Character box template. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 11:13, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- I wouldn't mind it. Sounds good to me.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:29, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- I don't think it's necessary. It's a lot of backlogging of information on a template that is already huge. Plus, there are a lot of times that people debate who it was who actually killed a character (like was it Sylar or Peter who killed Arthur? or was Hank killed by Sylar or Matt?)... Usually, if it's a significant person who killed the character, we'll say "deceased" and link it to the killer's page of victims: (deceased), for instance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- If we add this, I think something like "Current status:" would be more useful. For instance "Current status: Killed by Sylar" or "Current status: Incarcerated", etc. For unclear deaths like Arthur's, it could simply be "Current status: Dead". However, I'm not sure this is really necessary.--Referos 20:05, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- As an alternative, what about a "Cause of death" section? This would include murder, as well as suicide, drowning, car accident, explosion, Shanti virus, etc. I tried to add it, but it looks like it messed up pages (not really sure what went wrong with it). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:34, 25 November 2009 (EST)
- Cause of death is probably best left to the page about death (which, by the way, needs to be updated). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:48, 25 November 2009 (EST)
- As an alternative, what about a "Cause of death" section? This would include murder, as well as suicide, drowning, car accident, explosion, Shanti virus, etc. I tried to add it, but it looks like it messed up pages (not really sure what went wrong with it). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:34, 25 November 2009 (EST)
- If we add this, I think something like "Current status:" would be more useful. For instance "Current status: Killed by Sylar" or "Current status: Incarcerated", etc. For unclear deaths like Arthur's, it could simply be "Current status: Dead". However, I'm not sure this is really necessary.--Referos 20:05, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- I don't think it's necessary. It's a lot of backlogging of information on a template that is already huge. Plus, there are a lot of times that people debate who it was who actually killed a character (like was it Sylar or Peter who killed Arthur? or was Hank killed by Sylar or Matt?)... Usually, if it's a significant person who killed the character, we'll say "deceased" and link it to the killer's page of victims: (deceased), for instance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2009 (EST)
WantedPages
This template is currently producing a ton of Special:WantedPages, I am not sure why. -Lөvөl 15:12, 3 June 2015 (EDT)