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:{{note}} That's basically the definition of a predestination paradox.<br /> |
:{{note}} That's basically the definition of a predestination paradox.<br /> |
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| Every time Hiro time travels, he causes a catastrophe such as the [[explosion|bomb that explodes in New York]] and the [[Outbreak|plague that Peter and Caitlin saw]].|| None || {{plus}} In the graphic novel ''[[String Theory]]'', it shows he went back in time to stop Sylar from getting Claire's power so he could be killed. Doing so may have made Peter the exploding man instead of Sylar.<br /> |
| Every time Hiro time travels, he causes a catastrophe such as the [[explosion|bomb that explodes in New York]] and the [[Outbreak|plague that Peter and Caitlin saw]]. || None || {{plus}} In the graphic novel ''[[String Theory]]'', it shows he went back in time to stop Sylar from getting Claire's power so he could be killed. Doing so may have made Peter the exploding man instead of Sylar.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} In the Five Years Gone timeline, Nathan, or Sylar pretending to be Nathan, told everyone Sylar was the bomb, when it was actually Peter. This could have happened in Future Hiro's timeline.<br /> |
:{{minus}} In the Five Years Gone timeline, Nathan, or Sylar pretending to be Nathan, told everyone Sylar was the bomb, when it was actually Peter. This could have happened in Future Hiro's timeline.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro teleporting forward in time prevented him from stabbing Sylar in the [[explosion future]].<br /> |
{{plus}} Hiro teleporting forward in time prevented him from stabbing Sylar in the [[explosion future]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro traveled back in time, retrieved the catalyst from his mother, [[Ishi]], and then allowed the catalyst to fall into Arthur's hands, thus eventually completing the formula.<br /> |
{{plus}} Hiro traveled back in time, retrieved the catalyst from his mother, [[Ishi]], and then allowed the catalyst to fall into Arthur's hands, thus eventually completing the formula.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Peter and Arthur also had the ability to time travel, yet no such catastrophes occurred. Why would they in Hiro's case?<br /> |
{{minus}} Peter and Arthur also had the ability to time travel, yet no such catastrophes occurred. Why would they in Hiro's case?<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro time traveled to fix Ando and Kimiko's relationship.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro time traveled forty-seven times to save Tadashi.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro time traveled to retrieve a film for Samuel.<br /> |
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| Hiro could travel between alternate universes/timelines. || None || {{plus}} Hiro has gone to futures that did not happen. They could be futures of alternate universes.<br /> |
| Hiro could travel between alternate universes/timelines. || None || {{plus}} Hiro has gone to futures that did not happen. They could be futures of alternate universes.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Technically, he would still be out of the equation until he reappeared in the future. Therefore, it makes no sense how Future Hiro would still even exist.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Technically, he would still be out of the equation until he reappeared in the future. Therefore, it makes no sense how Future Hiro would still even exist.<br /> |
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::{{minus}} Therefore he had to have then gone back to the past of that future, in order for Future Hiro to exist.<br /> |
::{{minus}} Therefore he had to have then gone back to the past of that future, in order for Future Hiro to exist.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro has traveled not only to futures that did not happen, but to futures that were inconsistent with events that had already happened in the main continuity. For example, in "Five Years Gone" he went to a future in which it was implied that Sylar had taken Claire's power and survived the explosion, even though Sylar had been stopped from taking Claire's power several episodes earlier.<br /> |
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:{{minus}}Sylar was shown taking Claire's power in this future, indicating that he had not done so earlier.<br /> |
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::{{plus}} However, Future Hiro told Hiro that Sylar hadn't been stopped because Sylar had taken Claire's power before, which makes it unclear why Sylar took Claire's power in that future.<br /> |
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:::{{note}} Future Hiro warning present Hiro changed the past, so the future as he remembers changed after that.<br /> |
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{{plus}} It is possible he could develop this power. Matt has discovered more facets of his ability he didn't realize before; so could Hiro.<br /> |
{{plus}} It is possible he could develop this power. Matt has discovered more facets of his ability he didn't realize before; so could Hiro.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Unless he can, Caitlin is lost for good.<br /> |
{{plus}} Unless he can, Caitlin is lost for good.<br /> |
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| All of [[Hiro]]'s time travel ventures were predestination [[paradox]]es. || [[Hiro]] and [[Claire]] were already in [[Isaac]]'s comic book. (''[[Our Father]]'') || {{plus}} [[Hiro]] became [[Takezo Kensei]] when he traveled to 1671.<br /> |
| All of [[Hiro]]'s time travel ventures were predestination [[paradox]]es. || [[Hiro]] and [[Claire]] were already in [[Isaac]]'s comic book. (''[[Our Father]]'') || {{plus}} [[Hiro]] became [[Takezo Kensei]] when he traveled to 1671.<br /> |
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{{minus}} That's an ontological paradox, not a predestination paradox. See the Talk Page for an explanation.<br /> |
{{minus}} That's an ontological paradox, not a predestination paradox. See the Talk Page for an explanation.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Actually, it's both. |
:{{plus}} Actually, it's both. Predestination paradoxes and ontological ones often happen at the same time.<br /> |
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{{note}} Not all of his time traveling instances would be predestination paradoxes; only the trips to the past would be. But this was probably implied in the theory.<br /> |
{{note}} Not all of his time traveling instances would be predestination paradoxes; only the trips to the past would be. But this was probably implied in the theory.<br /> |
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| If [[Ando]] were to [[ability supercharging|supercharge]] Hiro, Hiro would once again be able to use the full extent of [[space-time manipulation]]. || None || {{plus}} Hiro's current ability seems to be identical to his previous one, but weaker. He may just need more energy to work with.<br /> |
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{{plus}} This would require Ando and Hiro to be a team, cementing their relationship and ironically actualizing their roles from all along (with Ando as a supporting sidekick). <br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Daphne]]'s ability was less related to time then Hiro's current ability; and yet Ando allowed her to timetravel. Similarly, Hiro can use his current ability to move very fast.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro's inability to teleport or time travel may be completely psychosomatic. Hiro seems fixated on some outside motivational source for his powers. He stopped time, traveled through time, and teleported successfully long before he laid his hands on the sword. After all, Toddler Touch and Go never failed to make anything he touched operate at less than peak performance. Ando may supercharge him only to find that his abilities were fully restored to begin with.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro bleeds when he uses his ability. Supercharging him may actually kill him.<br /> |
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| Hiro originally gained teleportation capability by being injected with the formula. || None || {{plus}} [[Matt Parkman, Jr.]] appears to have only activated Hiro's ability to manipulate time. It may be that the teleportation aspect of his powers was not natural to him.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro has never been shown to have injected the formula.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Time travel would be pointless without inherent teleportation. Time and space are part of the space-time continuum. If Hiro did not have all of these abilities originally, he would be dead in outer space the first time he attempted to time travel. The Earth orbits and rotates.<br /> |
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{{note}} This could imply that [[evolved humans]] have a genetic capacity for two separate abilities, one naturally [[eclipse|manifested]] and one [[genetic modification formula|catalyzed]]. This would explain [[Peter Petrelli]]'s current condition.<br /> |
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:{{note}} There are other explanations for Peter's situation, which are already laid out at [[Theory:Peter Petrelli]].<br /> |
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| With sufficient practice, Hiro would be capable of altering space-time around others, such as sending them into space with voids. If he was supercharged, he would obtain nigh-godly powers. || None || {{plus}} Hiro has been shown altering space-time around others, reversing and accelerating time on objects such as clocks and bullets.<br /> |
| With sufficient practice, Hiro would be capable of altering space-time around others, such as sending them into space with voids. If he was supercharged, he would obtain nigh-godly powers. || None || {{plus}} Hiro has been shown altering space-time around others, reversing and accelerating time on objects such as clocks and bullets.<br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|Future Peter]] was able to send Matt to Africa.<br /> |
{{plus}} [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|Future Peter]] was able to send Matt to Africa.<br /> |
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:{{note}} It's possible that Future Peter stopped time and teleported himself and Matt to Africa, then teleported back alone.<br/> |
:{{note}} It's possible that Future Peter stopped time and teleported himself and Matt to Africa, then teleported back alone.<br /> |
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{{plus}} It's assumed that Ando can boost your power from thousands to millions of times over. On a being whose power allows him to bend space-time to his will, this could allow him powers superior to those of Doctor Manhattan, such as converting air into gold, or possibly moving the entire planet through teleportation and time-travel.<br /> |
{{plus}} It's assumed that Ando can boost your power from thousands to millions of times over. On a being whose power allows him to bend space-time to his will, this could allow him powers superior to those of Doctor Manhattan, such as converting air into gold, or possibly moving the entire planet through teleportation and time-travel.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Supercharging space-time manipulation would not lead to [[alchemy|transmutation of elements]].<br /> |
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:{{note}} If there is indeed some unknown force stopping Hiro from creating time paradoxes, it would likely stop him from moving the planet.<br /> |
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| Hiro will become a villain. || None || {{plus}} Hiro has many elements which could make him a tragic but powerful villain. An extremely powerful ability, skill with a weapon,various things that could cause him to snap if destroyed, idealism, and the ability to look badass.<br /> |
| Hiro will become a villain. || None || {{plus}} Hiro has many elements which could make him a tragic but powerful villain. An extremely powerful ability, skill with a weapon,various things that could cause him to snap if destroyed, idealism, and the ability to look badass.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro has strong morals and codes and would not try to hurt people, and besides, Heroes can look bad ass too.<br /> |
{{minus}} Hiro has strong morals and codes and would not try to hurt people, and besides, Heroes can look bad ass too.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro has suffered greatly since the show started. Losing his father and both the women he loved. If Adam can changed back to evil after losing Yaeko, maybe losing Charlie again will do the same to Hiro.<br /> |
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| If Hiro begins to trust and respect Ando more, and allows him to use [[ability supercharging]] in conjunction with his own ability he will no longer suffer negative effects via [[space-time manipulation]]. || Ando thematically went from a Hiro's sidekick to a powerful hero in his own. Now, Hiro is having trouble seeing him as an equal and struggling to save the world by himself. || {{plus}} Hiro has been seen multiple times to have perfect mastery of space-time manipulation with no ill effects in every future.<br /> |
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{{note}} Unfortunately, effects of ability supercharging are temporary.<br /> |
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| [[Hiro]]'s [[Hiro Nakamura#Current Abilities|current ability]] is a corruption of his natural ability. || When [[Arthur Petrelli]] [[power absorption|steals]] abilities, something must happen to the DNA so abilities are lost. || {{plus}} [[Mohinder]] was shown to have an [[Mohinder's ability|unstable ability]] with adverse side effects before correcting it into [[enhanced strength]].<br /> |
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| [[Hiro]] will still be able to use his ability three to five times a day without dramatic adverse effects. || None || {{plus}} During the span of [[I Am Sylar]] and [[An Invisible Thread]], Hiro suffered only mild adverse effects.<br /> |
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| Hiro can be saved if [[Matt Jr.]] [[Activation and deactivation|deactivates]] his ability. || None || {{plus}} Hiro's ability has recently gone out of control completely. It needs to be removed, or else Hiro will die without even using his power willingly.<br /> |
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{{minus}} It's unlikely Matt Jr. can "deactivate" the tumor in Hiro's brain.<br /> |
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| Matt Jr. restored Hiro's ability completely, but because Hiro stopped time with him immediately after, it broke at once. || [[Masi Oka]] stated in [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22911 an interview] that Hiro's terminal condition is caused by taking others into frozen time. || {{plus}} Hiro stopped time with baby Matt and couldn't teleport.<br /> |
| Matt Jr. restored Hiro's ability completely, but because Hiro stopped time with him immediately after, it broke at once. || [[Masi Oka]] stated in [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22911 an interview] that Hiro's terminal condition is caused by taking others into frozen time. || {{plus}} Hiro stopped time with baby Matt and couldn't teleport.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro has recently regained the time traveling aspect of his ability, but couldn't control it.<br /> |
{{plus}} Hiro has recently regained the time traveling aspect of his ability, but couldn't control it.<br /> |
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| [[Hiro]] will die alone. || None || {{plus}} Hiro refers to [[Charlie]] as his Gwen Stacy, Spiderman's true love. But she married another.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro's other love Yaeko loved another man, had children and died.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro's obsession with saving the world could interfere with his love life.<br /> |
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| [[Hiro]] will marry [[Charlie]]. || None || {{note}} He is dying.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro refers to [[Charlie]] as his Gwen Stacy, Spiderman's true love.<br /> |
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{{plus}} The season has been about romance so far: Gretchen/Claire; Ando/Kimiko; Lydia/Edgar. [[Charlie]] is Hiro's soul mate.<br /> |
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| [[Hiro]] damaged the timeline by saving [[Charlie]]. His little talk with [[Noah]] changed Noah's actions in some detail. || None || {{plus}} The butterfly effect works in mysterious ways.<br /> |
| [[Hiro]] damaged the timeline by saving [[Charlie]]. His little talk with [[Noah]] changed Noah's actions in some detail. || None || {{plus}} The butterfly effect works in mysterious ways.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Noah only said love is a messy business. It doesn't seem enough to affect the timeline in any way.<br /> |
{{minus}} Noah only said love is a messy business. It doesn't seem enough to affect the timeline in any way.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro has interacted with others in the past before - with his 12 years old self and with [[Kaito Nakamura|his father]] in 1992, but it didn't seem to affect history.<br /> |
{{minus}} Hiro has interacted with others in the past before - with his 12 years old self and with [[Kaito Nakamura|his father]] in 1992, but it didn't seem to affect history.<br /> |
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| Hiro will become the Hiro from the explosion future. || None || {{plus}} Everyone is aware of specials like they were in explosion and exposition futures. Hiro may need to protect specials again.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro lost Charlie again.<br /> |
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:{{note}} Not [[Sylar's victims|the way]] he lost her before.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The government has been aware of evolved humans since Nathan revealed their existence to them. The government could do something akin to witness protection.<br /> |
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| Hiro and [[Ando]] will join forces with [[Micah]] and [[Monica]]. || Hiro and Ando's [[Dial a Hero|superhero team]] is based on the idea of using super powers to save others, just like [[Rebel|Micah's team]]. || {{plus}} The fact that Monica might possibly be the super hero [[St. Joan]] and the rebel group might make a family style Fantastic Four parody.<br /> |
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The following fan theories are about Hiro Nakamura.
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| Hiro's powers resulted from mutations in his grandfather's DNA. These mutations were caused by the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima. | Hiro's grandfather was a survivor of Hiroshima and died of cancer. (The Crane) | - In an interview, George Takei strongly implied that Takezo Kensei is Hiro's ancestor. He says that through that legendary samurai, he is bringing a lot of good DNA to this role. This means that Hiro's DNA mutations were obtained from Kensei, not the atomic bomb.
- There have never been any documented cases that mutations from exposure to nuclear energy have been passed on to offspring.
- This is generally baseless, or at the very least a stretch. |
| Hiro's powers have not fully developed. When they do he will be able to summon anything from anywhere to any point in time. | None | + Many of the powers take practice and time to develop. • Future Hiro did not display such an ability. Had he possessed it, he could have brought Future Peter to him and Ando, rather than traveling to Las Vegas, or simply summoned present-day Hiro from the Homeland Security building. He may have not fully developed his powers in the period of five years, however.
+ Future Peter, who is considerably more experienced with space-time manipulation, was able to teleport Matt to Africa seemingly without actually going there himself.
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| Hiro did not actually change history when he time traveled to ancient Japan; events as they are unfolding now are exactly the events that occurred in the first place. | None | • This is a predestination paradox.
+ In the stories that Hiro was told by his father, Kensei was Japanese, (like Hiro) not a gaijin. It seems he was destined to return to feudal Japan and become the hero.
+ The "Battle of Twelve Swords" fits more into the context of Hiro's time-stop ability than Kensei's regeneration; if Kensei had gone into the battle, it is unlikely he would have simply disarmed the opponents.
+ This could explain why the depictions of Kensei in the Sword Saint documentaries looks less like Kensei, and more like Hiro.
+ If a time traveling man in the future goes back to the past, then the present man would already see the changes his future self made in the past, considering they took place in the past. Basically Hiro, before he went to the past, would have to be living in a world in which his future self already "altered" the past, because it took place in the past and would have already happened. So throughout Hiro’s entire life the events that took place with Hiro in the past, had already taken place, and all the effects of that would have already been weaved throughout the current timeline before Hiro even decided to go to the past.
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| Every time Hiro time travels, he causes a catastrophe such as the bomb that explodes in New York and the plague that Peter and Caitlin saw. | None | + In the graphic novel String Theory, it shows he went back in time to stop Sylar from getting Claire's power so he could be killed. Doing so may have made Peter the exploding man instead of Sylar.
+ Hiro teleporting forward in time prevented him from stabbing Sylar in the explosion future.
+ Hiro traveled back in time, retrieved the catalyst from his mother, Ishi, and then allowed the catalyst to fall into Arthur's hands, thus eventually completing the formula. |
| Hiro could travel between alternate universes/timelines. | None | + Hiro has gone to futures that did not happen. They could be futures of alternate universes. - It is possible that the future that he visited was a product of him being "out of the equation" as he was able to prevent Claire from being killed, but didn't stab Sylar (as he was there in that timeline).
+ Hiro has traveled not only to futures that did not happen, but to futures that were inconsistent with events that had already happened in the main continuity. For example, in "Five Years Gone" he went to a future in which it was implied that Sylar had taken Claire's power and survived the explosion, even though Sylar had been stopped from taking Claire's power several episodes earlier.
+ It is possible he could develop this power. Matt has discovered more facets of his ability he didn't realize before; so could Hiro. |
| All of Hiro's time travel ventures were predestination paradoxes. | Hiro and Claire were already in Isaac's comic book. (Our Father) | + Hiro became Takezo Kensei when he traveled to 1671. - That's an ontological paradox, not a predestination paradox. See the Talk Page for an explanation.
• Not all of his time traveling instances would be predestination paradoxes; only the trips to the past would be. But this was probably implied in the theory. |
| With sufficient practice, Hiro would be capable of altering space-time around others, such as sending them into space with voids. If he was supercharged, he would obtain nigh-godly powers. | None | + Hiro has been shown altering space-time around others, reversing and accelerating time on objects such as clocks and bullets. + Future Peter was able to send Matt to Africa.
+ It's assumed that Ando can boost your power from thousands to millions of times over. On a being whose power allows him to bend space-time to his will, this could allow him powers superior to those of Doctor Manhattan, such as converting air into gold, or possibly moving the entire planet through teleportation and time-travel.
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| Hiro will become a villain. | None | + Hiro has many elements which could make him a tragic but powerful villain. An extremely powerful ability, skill with a weapon,various things that could cause him to snap if destroyed, idealism, and the ability to look badass. - Hiro has strong morals and codes and would not try to hurt people, and besides, Heroes can look bad ass too. |
| Matt Jr. restored Hiro's ability completely, but because Hiro stopped time with him immediately after, it broke at once. | Masi Oka stated in an interview that Hiro's terminal condition is caused by taking others into frozen time. | + Hiro stopped time with baby Matt and couldn't teleport. + Hiro had a headache after he froze time with Ando in Isaac's loft. |
| Hiro will die alone. | None | + Hiro refers to Charlie as his Gwen Stacy, Spiderman's true love. But she married another. + Hiro's other love Yaeko loved another man, had children and died. |
| Hiro damaged the timeline by saving Charlie. His little talk with Noah changed Noah's actions in some detail. | None | + The butterfly effect works in mysterious ways. - Noah only said love is a messy business. It doesn't seem enough to affect the timeline in any way. |
| Hiro will become the Hiro from the explosion future. | None | + Everyone is aware of specials like they were in explosion and exposition futures. Hiro may need to protect specials again. + Hiro lost Charlie again.
- The government has been aware of evolved humans since Nathan revealed their existence to them. The government could do something akin to witness protection. |
| Hiro and Ando will join forces with Micah and Monica. | Hiro and Ando's superhero team is based on the idea of using super powers to save others, just like Micah's team. | + The fact that Monica might possibly be the super hero St. Joan and the rebel group might make a family style Fantastic Four parody. |
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