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| Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet). || None |
| Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet), and is gifted. || None || {{plus}} HRG has no abilities, so he could inject himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son.<br /> |
{{minus}} Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Noah Gray is blond.<br /> |
{{plus}} Noah Gray is blond.<br /> |
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{{plus}} When Peter went to the future, H.R.G. is nowhere to be found.<br /> |
{{plus}} When Peter went to the future, H.R.G. is nowhere to be found.<br /> |
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{{minus}} If Noah was HRG, future Claire wouldn't threaten to shoot him.<br /> |
{{minus}} If Noah was HRG, future Claire wouldn't threaten to shoot him.<br /> |
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:{{note}} She might not know.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Not only Noah is dead, the future where he would be born is averted. If he was HRG, wouldn't that create a paradox?<br /> |
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{{note}} There is a possibility of somebody having [[Age shifting|age shifted]] HRG to a younger age and [[Mental manipulation|erasing his memory]], giving Sylar a child that will take his hunger away. Far fetched, but possible.<br /> |
{{note}} There is a possibility of somebody having [[Age shifting|age shifted]] HRG to a younger age and [[Mental manipulation|erasing his memory]], giving Sylar a child that will take his hunger away. Far fetched, but possible.<br /> |
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:{{note}} Nothing suggests age shifing can be used on other people.<br /> |
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{{plus}} We don't know who Noah's biological father is, so he may be Sylar. While HRG's biological mother may be Elle Bishop, since we know she shares a story arc with Sylar in Season 3.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Noah Bennet cannot be Noah Gray - the latter is dead.<br /> |
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:: {{plus}} HRG may be from the future, before it was changed by Peter. So Noah could have survived first, like how Claire was still alive. After Hiro went to the past, and they could both return afterward.<br /> |
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{{plus}} They could travel back in time to the 1960s, in order to put Noah up for adoption. Anita could be his adoptive mother, but HRG must’ve recognized the house that he grew up in. So when his family was on the run from the Company, Noah knew exactly where to find the perfect safe house.<br /> |
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::{{plus}} Hiro was sent back in time, in order to fulfill the future. So Sylar could do the same, because HRG's meant to grow up. In the past with his parents, who may have actually adopted him.<br /> |
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| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". || In ''[[Episode: One of Us, One of Them|One of Us, One of Them]]'', Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. || {{plus}} Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in [[I Am Become Death]], he does it for his son.<br /> |
| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". || In ''[[Episode: One of Us, One of Them|One of Us, One of Them]]'', Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. || {{plus}} Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in [[I Am Become Death]], he does it for his son.<br /> |
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| Noah is adopted. || None |
| Noah is adopted. || None || {{plus}} There is no evidence of Noah's mother.<br /> |
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| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. || Ability inheritance exists. || {{plus}} [[Power heredity]] exists in the ''Heroes'' universe.<br /> |
| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. || Ability inheritance exists. || {{plus}} [[Power heredity]] exists in the ''Heroes'' universe.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Gabriel inherited [[intuitive aptitude]] from [[Samson Gray|his father]], setting a precedent for ability heredity in the Gray family.<br /> |
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| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Truth & Consequences]]''. || {{plus}} She and Elle are the only two woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar.<br /> |
| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Truth & Consequences]]''. || {{plus}} She and Elle are the only two woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar.<br /> |
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:{{note}} Elle forgave Sylar for killing [[Bob Bishop|her father]].<br /> |
:{{note}} Elle forgave Sylar for killing [[Bob Bishop|her father]].<br /> |
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::{{note}} Elle was mentally unstable.<br /> |
::{{note}} Elle was mentally unstable.<br /> |
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::{{note}} Bob was very harsh on Elle, and the extent of her love is debatable<br /> |
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| Noah would have been the son of Elle and Sylar. || Noah resembles both of them ( |
| Noah would have been the son of Elle and Sylar. || Noah resembles both of them (he is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). || {{minus}} Elle is dead, and her body was cremated.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Pregnancy lasts for nine months, thus Noah would be born in 2008. While he definetely looked four years old.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Elle is dead, and her body was cremated.<br /> |
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:{{note}} Noah Gray is born in an alternate future.<br> |
:{{note}} Noah Gray is born in an alternate future.<br> |
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{{plus}} Greg Beeman talked about Elle on [http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2008/12/beemans-blog-season-3-episode-12.html his blog] saying, "There were potential storylines about pregnancies and babies…" This could mean the original intention was for Elle to be the mother of Noah.<br /> |
{{plus}} Greg Beeman talked about Elle on [http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2008/12/beemans-blog-season-3-episode-12.html his blog] saying, "There were potential storylines about pregnancies and babies…" This could mean the original intention was for Elle to be the mother of Noah.<br /> |
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| Sylar and Claire Bennet will get together -briefly or permanently -resulting in Noah. || Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. || {{plus}} In ''[[The Second Coming]]'', Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to |
| Sylar and Claire Bennet will get together - briefly or permanently - resulting in Noah. || Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. || {{plus}} In ''[[The Second Coming]]'', Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to", implying that he has fond feelings for her.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} What about the fact that he cut her head open and tried to kill her? (Elle is an exception to this as she is certifiably insane)<br /> |
:{{minus}} What about the fact that he cut her head open and tried to kill her? (Elle is an exception to this as she is certifiably insane)<br /> |
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::{{plus}} He cut her head open to take her power, and was even kind enough to put it back when he was done. He never tried to kill Claire, only make her understand him.<br /> |
::{{plus}} He cut her head open to take her power, and was even kind enough to put it back when he was done. He never tried to kill Claire, only make her understand him.<br /> |
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::{{note}} When ''[[Episode:I Am Become Death|I Am Become Death]]'' aired, the storyline still had Arthur and Angela claiming to be Sylar's parents.<br /> |
::{{note}} When ''[[Episode:I Am Become Death|I Am Become Death]]'' aired, the storyline still had Arthur and Angela claiming to be Sylar's parents.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} If Sylar marries Claire and it's that relationship that spawns Noah Gray, then Peter would be a brother.<br /> |
:{{plus}} If Sylar marries Claire and it's that relationship that spawns Noah Gray, then Peter would be a brother.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} When Peter traveled to the alternate future Sylar was living in the Bennets' old house with Noah in [[Costa Verde]]. They could have been living there because he had ties to the family by having a relationship with Claire and fathering a son with her.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} In the episode [[Pass/Fail]] it is apparent Sylar feels a connection to Claire because they are so similar and he does give her a passionate kiss even though the kiss was supposedly just to gain insight into who she is.<br /> |
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::{{minus}} Passionate or not, that is up for interpretation of third parties.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Claire is gay/dating a girl now.<br /> |
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| Meredith would have been the mother of Noah. || None || {{plus}} Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. Of all the female characters, she had been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths may cross at some point.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} When Sylar and Meredith met in the new timeline, he killed her.<br /> |
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::{{plus}} This was part of his rampage from when he found out he wasn't a Petrelli.<br /> |
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| Noah Gray existed only in the [[exposed future]], which will not happen. || None || {{plus}} It is unlikely that Noah is young enough to not be conceived yet at this point.<br /> |
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| [[Niki Sanders]] is the mother of Noah. || Like other characters, Noah has the blond hair of Niki and the brown eyes of Gabriel. || {{minus}} Niki Sanders is dead.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Many of us ''Heroes'' fans are not convinced by that body in the casket.<br /> |
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:::{{plus}} Then explain the lack of burns in her "corpse" (with an explosion like that how could an embalmer cover it all up to the point of invisibility?)...<br /> |
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::::{{note}} She might have escaped the fire, but died from the Shanti Virus in the end anyway, since she never got Claire's blood.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Many fans, whether they are convinced of the wake or not, want Niki to return and since the writers (as I am told) listen to the fans, they could find a way to bring her back (possibly like this).<br /> |
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| The timeline where Noah Gray was made will never exist anymore. || None. || {{plus}} The year Noah is suppose to be "reproductively made" is now finished.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Elle is the only one Sylar had "intercourse" with in the whole volume and she is now dead.<br /> |
{{plus}} Elle is the only one Sylar had "intercourse" with in the whole volume and she is now dead.<br /> |
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{{plus}} The timeline disappeared because of the butterfly effects Peter created, after he went to visit the future.<br /> |
{{plus}} The timeline disappeared because of the butterfly effects Peter created, after he went to visit the future.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Since [[Sylar]] was [[Gabriel Gray (exposed future)|good]] in that future, Noah's mother should have had been [[Elle]], who Sylar was briefly romantically involved with. Elle is dead, and Sylar is Nathan. There are no prerequisites for Noah to be born.<br /> |
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| Noah Gray is actually [[ |
| Noah Gray is actually [[Matt Parkman, Jr.]]. || None || {{plus}} He is the right age.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Matt could believe that his son was lost to him (dead, abducted), and not realize Sylar is raising him as his own.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Matt could believe that his son was lost to him (dead, abducted), and not realize Sylar is raising him as his own.<br /> |
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{{plus}} His light hair could turn darker as he ages. Many brunettes and redheads have blond hair as children.<br /> |
{{plus}} His light hair could turn darker as he ages. Many brunettes and redheads have blond hair as children.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Matthew's power may actually calm/cure Sylar's hunger, which is another reason he may take the child as his own.<br /> |
{{plus}} Matthew's power may actually calm/cure Sylar's hunger, which is another reason he may take the child as his own.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Matt Parkman, Jr. does have the ability to turn things on and off, maybe he turned off the hunger and also activated Sylar's induced radioactivity and precognition, just like with Hiro.<br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Matt Parkman]] is possessed by [[Sylar]] in the new future.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} This is because of Nathan's death. Nathan was alive in the exposed future.<br /> |
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| [[Sylar]] is Noah's mother. || Shapeshifters can change gender. || {{plus}} Shapeshifter Mystique in [[X-Men]] changed gender and is the father of Kurt, a.k.a. Nightcrawler.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Then Noah would be little less than Sylar's clone.<br /> |
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:{{note}} That was the original plan, she's Kurt's mother, his father is an ancient mutant.<br /> |
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:{{note}} This is irrelevent.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar could have given a sperm sample and then shape shifted into a female and impregnated himself.<br /> |
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{{minus}} This is Heroes, an NBC show that has mostly been squeamish about homosexuality. Somehow a man impregnating himself, seems exceedingly unlikely.<br /> |
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| Noah Gray's mother is [[Tracy Strauss]]. || None || {{plus}} In the new future, [[Sylar]] thought that he was [[Nathan]] and recalled romantic feelings upon meeting Tracy.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} In the exposed future Nathan was alive and Sylar was Sylar.<br /> |
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| Noah is named after H.R.G. (Noah Bennet). || None || {{plus}} Claire mentions that Sylar took everything away from her, possibly her father.<br /> |
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:{{note}} It isn't clear who she was talking to, it could be Peter as well as Sylar.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar was Noah's old partner, he may have killed him or felt responsible for his death.<br /> |
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:{{note}} He didn't need to kill Noah to name his son after him.<br /> |
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{{plus}} This theory would also be true if Noah Gray was an age shifted Noah Bennet, who may have began reaging from a baby.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} According to Claire, her parents were dead (''[[Resistance]]'').<br /> |
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| Noah Gray is named after [[Noah Gray-Cabey]] ([[Micah Sanders]]). || None || {{plus}} Noah is a baby, hence cute, aptly named after a cute character (in this case, its actor).<br /> |
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:{{note}} He couldn't have been named after other cute characters such as [[Elle Bishop]], [[Niki Sanders]], [[Daphne Millbrook]] or [[Mr. Muggles]] as only Noah fits the bill (due to the last name).<br /> |
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::{{note}} So someone who can throw you through a wall, electrocute you to a crisp, or even run through time is cute?<br /> |
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::{{note}} These people are all women, naming a male character after a female actress would be a bit disturbing... the same as naming someone after a dog...<br /> |
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{{plus}} This wouldn't be the only time the writers name a character after a crew member: for example, [[Samuel]] uses an alias, [[Bill Hooper|William Hooper]], who portrayed [[James Martin]], and [[Tracy Strauss]] is [[Aron Coleite]]'s wife maiden name.<br /> |
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| Noah Gray exists or will exist. || None || {{plus}} Sylar has began the path to being good.<br /> |
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{{minus}} He would be only a year old in 2011 if he has not been conceived yet.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Claire or Maya could mother his child.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Claire has feelings for a girl.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Maya has no love for Gabriel Gray and moved away.<br /> |
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:{{note}} It is unknown how Claire's ability would handle a pregnancy.<br /> |
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::{{note}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br /> |
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:::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br /> |
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| Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet), and is gifted. | None | + HRG has no abilities, so he could inject himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger. - Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son.
• There is a possibility of somebody having age shifted HRG to a younger age and erasing his memory, giving Sylar a child that will take his hunger away. Far fetched, but possible.
+ We don't know who Noah's biological father is, so he may be Sylar. While HRG's biological mother may be Elle Bishop, since we know she shares a story arc with Sylar in Season 3.
+ They could travel back in time to the 1960s, in order to put Noah up for adoption. Anita could be his adoptive mother, but HRG must’ve recognized the house that he grew up in. So when his family was on the run from the Company, Noah knew exactly where to find the perfect safe house.
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| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". | In One of Us, One of Them, Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. | + Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in I Am Become Death, he does it for his son. |
| Noah is adopted. | None | + There is no evidence of Noah's mother. |
| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. | Ability inheritance exists. | + Power heredity exists in the Heroes universe. + Gabriel inherited intuitive aptitude from his father, setting a precedent for ability heredity in the Gray family. |
| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. | The sex between the two is implied at the end of Truth & Consequences. | + She and Elle are the only two woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. - Noah Gray is as far as I can tell totally Caucasian and shows no sign of being from any other ethnicity.
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| Noah would have been the son of Elle and Sylar. | Noah resembles both of them (he is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). | - Elle is dead, and her body was cremated.
+ Greg Beeman talked about Elle on his blog saying, "There were potential storylines about pregnancies and babies…" This could mean the original intention was for Elle to be the mother of Noah. |
| Sylar and Claire Bennet will get together - briefly or permanently - resulting in Noah. | Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. | + In The Second Coming, Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to", implying that he has fond feelings for her.
+ They could get together, in the hunt for the evolved humans, helping each other.
- Claire hates Sylar and she won't ever forgive him his crimes.
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| Meredith would have been the mother of Noah. | None | + Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. Of all the female characters, she had been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths may cross at some point.
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| Noah Gray existed only in the exposed future, which will not happen. | None | + It is unlikely that Noah is young enough to not be conceived yet at this point. + Elle is the only one Sylar had "intercourse" with in the whole volume and she is now dead. |
| Noah Gray is actually Matt Parkman, Jr.. | None | + He is the right age.
+ His light hair could turn darker as he ages. Many brunettes and redheads have blond hair as children.
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| Sylar is Noah's mother. | Shapeshifters can change gender. | + Shapeshifter Mystique in X-Men changed gender and is the father of Kurt, a.k.a. Nightcrawler.
+ Sylar could have given a sperm sample and then shape shifted into a female and impregnated himself. |
| Noah Gray's mother is Tracy Strauss. | None | + In the new future, Sylar thought that he was Nathan and recalled romantic feelings upon meeting Tracy.
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| Noah is named after H.R.G. (Noah Bennet). | None | + Claire mentions that Sylar took everything away from her, possibly her father.
+ Sylar was Noah's old partner, he may have killed him or felt responsible for his death.
+ This theory would also be true if Noah Gray was an age shifted Noah Bennet, who may have began reaging from a baby.
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| Noah Gray is named after Noah Gray-Cabey (Micah Sanders). | None | + Noah is a baby, hence cute, aptly named after a cute character (in this case, its actor).
+ This wouldn't be the only time the writers name a character after a crew member: for example, Samuel uses an alias, William Hooper, who portrayed James Martin, and Tracy Strauss is Aron Coleite's wife maiden name. |
| Noah Gray exists or will exist. | None | + Sylar has began the path to being good. - He would be only a year old in 2011 if he has not been conceived yet.
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