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== Power Name == |
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In an effort to clean up the discussion, I've extracted the name nominees from the thread: |
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*Clairvoyance |
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So... Clairvoyance? Location? Enhanced Location? Human GPS? Let the games begin... — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:05, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Location |
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* I was thinking something along the lines of omniscience. Locational omniscience? Something like that.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 23:16, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Enhanced Location |
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** I vote for ''human GPS''. It's not ''clairvoyance'', she simply knows where people are (not what they are doing); and ''location'' isn't an ability, it's a place.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:24, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Human GPS |
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***Oh. I was kidding about the human GPS. And the others I listed because those were the ones that are listed elsewhere on the site. I don't think any of them are very good. (Although, location ''is'' the noun form of ''locate'', so technically it does describe her power.) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:38, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Omniscience |
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****Human GPS would be a cool power, but only if it could tell you were the nearest decent Chinese restaurant is (which Molly, sadly, appears not to be able to do).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:59, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Locational omniscience |
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***** She could probably tell you where that Chinese restaurant is, provided you showed her a picture of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:08, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Psycholocation |
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****** Use what Bennett called it - the Walker Tracking System.--[[User:Anchovyman|Anchovyman]] 00:40, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Locational awareness |
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******* Yeah, but Bennet thinks she's some kind of machine.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:42, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Human Cerebro |
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* There's "psycholocation". Within the ESP crowd, that's used to describe the psychic ability to find lost objects. I've never heard it applied to people, but I can't think of a reason it couldn't be. |
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*Remote viewing |
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**I'm not sure if you would call that ability "psychic" though. We don't really know the exact details on how Molly's ability works. Locational means based on location; the act of locating; state of being located. Omniscience means having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things. So, locational omniscience would mean something like "Knowing all about location".--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 23:35, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Telepathic location |
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*** The ability is psychic to the extent that she finds the people with her mind. "Omniscience" is just such a loaded term, though--even modified by "locational". I'd rather see something like "locational awareness" that doesn't, y'know, come quite as close to implying godhood.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:49, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Intuitive tracking |
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****I understand. Maybe you take intuitive aptitude and tweak it so it fits Molly's power?--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 23:57, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Divination |
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***** Yeah, psychic implies that she knows a future location and omniscience is too godly (don't like either).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:08, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Dowsing |
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*How about "Human Cerebro" after Professor X's machine in X-men? [[User:Disney42|Disney42]] 23:37, 7 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**Okay, I'm just glad nobody has said anything like "locokinesis" yet. Phew. "Locational awareness" is sounding best to me so far. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*** I like ''locational awareness''. I third the notion to go with that name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:53, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****My vote goes with Clairvoyance --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 01:10, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*****I'm not big on outright vetoing a power name, but I'm going to have to say I am strongly opposed to "clairvoyance". It literally means "clear seeing" and suggests knowledge beyond just knowing the location. It suggests awareness and a near omniscience about a subject. Molly does not know anything about the people other than where they are. Clairvoyance is not the word to describe her power. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:16, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****** I agree that "clairvoyance" is too loaded and too broad a description of what she does. She's not even really a "remote viewer" in the traditional sense because we don't even actually know that she ''sees'' the location of the person in question ... the name of the place might just come to her (more like long-range, limited telepathy than clairvoyance).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:21, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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****** What about "telepathic location" ? --[[User:Xmuskrat|Xmuskrat]] 01:45, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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******* We don't really know if it's telepathic, either.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:59, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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My Vote is for "Personal Remote Viewing"--[[User:Perullama429|Patrick]] 06:15, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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******** I think being somewhat consistent with our present names is important. What has been described is the ability of: '''enhanced location''' or '''intuative tracking'''. Better yet, since human beings don't have an inate power of 'location' (like we do have strength and hearing and speed, why not drop the '''enhanced''' qualifier altogether, and say Molly Walker has the power of '''Location'''? Either than or '''intuative tracking''' seem the most concise that I've seen so far. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 05/8/2007 08:04 (EST)</small> |
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*We don't have confirmation of what she can trace. It can be only Evolved humans, only normal humans, or she can trace anything she wants. The name of her power will consist of what she can trace. --[[User:Densus|Densus]] 08:17, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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* Ok, things are getting really messy here. :) Anyway, Molly herself says that "They ask me where people are, and I find them. I just think about them, and then I know where they are." I think that for now, it is safe to assume that her ability is limited to locating people, evolved or otherwise. With that in mind, I feel that the best name would be Psycholocation (i.e. she uses her mind to locate people). I don't feel that this power needs an 'Intuitive' or 'Enhanced' prefix. Also, what she does is 'Location' not 'Tracking', though she is part of a tracking system. Simply using the word 'Location' is a bit too ambiguous.--[[User:Havoc|Havoc]] 09:57, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**Psycholocation sounds good to me. --[[User:Densus|Densus]] 09:05, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***It occurs to me that her power is actually a form of "divination" or "dowsing". I'm currently working my through the [http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/encyclopedia.html JREF Encyclopedia] for a more precise term. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 09:58, 8 May 2007 (EDT) |
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== Protection from the Bogeyman == |
== Protection from the Bogeyman == |
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Revision as of 14:07, 8 May 2007
Should we have a page for Molly's parents? They are certainly extremely minor characters, but there is a lot of theory that surrounds them and the reason they were killed. Necessary or not? Ryangibsonstewart 02:06, 27 November 2006 (EST)
- I think we should at least have a page for Molly's father since he was the one that was frozen and had his head opened... so clearly Sylar believed he had powers of some kind. At some point his name is going to come up...
- Sure enough, it did. When Mohinder talks on the phone he mentions James Walker in LA who was killed 9 days ago. (Admin 23:07, 4 December 2006 (EST))
- Anyone have any theories on why we haven't seen her in a while? --Riddler 16:03, 26 January 2007 (EST)
- In one of the interviews they said that they just need to decide how to work her into the plot, but that she will be back because afterall she was very important to Sylar at one point. Don't remember which interview it was, but if someone's got a link then great. I thought it was one of the ones at at wizarduniverse.com. (Admin 16:23, 26 January 2007 (EST))
- Anyone have any theories on why we haven't seen her in a while? --Riddler 16:03, 26 January 2007 (EST)
- Sure enough, it did. When Mohinder talks on the phone he mentions James Walker in LA who was killed 9 days ago. (Admin 23:07, 4 December 2006 (EST))
Age
Molly is 11 when she appears. Five years later she will be 16, so in episodes after .07%, she will be played by a different actress. Could she be Sparrow? --AverageMan 19:21, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
- Do what now? Only Five Years Gone is set five years in the future, and Adair Tishler is credited for the episodes after that. If you're asking if Molly Walker could be the "Sparrow" in Graphic Novel:String Theory (and possibly in Five Years Gone), then yes, it's possible, but that Sparrow is more likely Sparrow Redhouse from the list, about whom the writers have teased from time to time.--Hardvice (talk) 19:28, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
- Assuming Sparrow from String Theory is Sparrow Redhouse, then I'd say no, they aren't the same. Sparrow was mentioned on the list, which was created when Molly is known as Molly. If Molly ever changed her name, it wouldn't have been until sometime after the list was created (and destroyed). — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:39, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
- Plus, everyone knows that Molly is just Claire from a different timeline. Same thing with Peter being Sylar.--Piemanmoo 20:06, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
Hard Part Spoiler
I would argue that it's hardly a spoiler when NBC publicizes it in the previews for the next episode, but c'est la vie. --Ted C 22:20, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
- Many people do not watch them. They're spoilers for the next episode and information doesn't hit the main articles until the episode itself has aired. (Admin 22:24, 30 April 2007 (EDT))
- Well, to be fair, the preview never said that she had a power, only that she was the only one who could stop Sylar. This could mean anything: they could be using her for bait, she may have some unknown connection to him, or perhaps she's the motivation to stop Sylar. The idea of a power, however, seems the most likely scenario. --Paronine 22:35, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
- Of course, the exact same note is perfectly acceptable if it merely notes that Future Hiro mentions her as one of the evolved humans he helped Bennet rescue in Five Years Gone.--Hardvice (talk) 22:36, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
- I think they pretty much said it, and if you don't realize by now that Molly has a power then, just wow. But Paronine, I don't think there going to use an eleven year old girl as bait, and lots of people have a motivation to him. Jason Garrick 19:25, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I feel like I should get this made into a rubber stamp, but just because something is obvious doesn't mean it's confirmed. And we don't include unconfirmed info in articles. That said, Future Hiro does confirm that Molly Walker is one of the evolved humans he rescued.--Hardvice (talk) 19:55, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
Power Name
In an effort to clean up the discussion, I've extracted the name nominees from the thread:
- Clairvoyance
- Location
- Enhanced Location
- Human GPS
- Omniscience
- Locational omniscience
- Psycholocation
- Locational awareness
- Human Cerebro
- Remote viewing
- Telepathic location
- Intuitive tracking
- Divination
- Dowsing
Protection from the Bogeyman
What's with the drawing of a yellow star that Molly gave Mohinder? The one where she says, "It'll project you... from the bogeyman." So is it a new aspect of her power? Or just the fantasy of a little girl? Being able to nullify powers by proxy would be an incredible useful power.--Havoc 09:57, 8 May 2007 (EDT)