Talk:Shanti virus

Page Idea

So there exists a disease in the Heroes 'verse that affects Evolved Humans, and has aflicted 3 people: Shanti, Molly, and the latest victem, the dying patient from Blackout. This thing might affect others in the future. Terefore, I think an article on it is, or soon will be, warranted. What say everyone else?--SacValleyDweller 19:06, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

• See Shanti virus. --DocM 19:11, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
  • gotchya, gonna make a redirect to that, then.--SacValleyDweller 19:15, 4 September 2007 (EDT) And this can be deleted.--SacValleyDweller 19:24, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
    • No, I'll just combine this conversation with the other one, and then have a redirect. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:28, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Mainspace

Hey, I see you are starting something here, that I was just planning to do myself. Are you starting this out as a 'userpage', with the intent on making it a real-page when you get it all fixed up? I have been doing research through pics and the transcripts on references regarding this. Would you mind if I added in additional things I have found on it? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/4/2007 11:27 (EST)

• This page will (hopefully) become main once it's all sorted and what-not. You can add whatever you want to it. --DocM 11:30, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Item?

Um, how exactly is this item? --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 20:34, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

• Do you have another suggestion? I agree, it's odd, but it doesn't really fit anywhere else. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
• I think item works. A virus is a physical thing. It's not one you can see or touch but it's real. I guess we could make a category called Microscopic things and add both the Shanti virus and Dr. Strauss virus?--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:44, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Let's make sure we don't create an infobox category just for the sake of having a category. A corollary to that is that we try not to create arbitrary infobox categories with the sole purpose of being able to put multiple things into it, but instead one that provides a useful grouping of a large number of articles that are fundamentally different and therefore require a completely different set of variables. I think it's ok for us to leave it as an item for now. The most logical future infobox would probably be "diseases", but I don't think we have enough articles to warrant it yet. (Admin 22:53, 5 September 2007 (EDT))
  • That being said, I'd say either "Item" or "Thing" is most appropriate for this article. I'm leaning more towards "Thing" as it's more generic, but Item works just as well. (Admin 22:55, 5 September 2007 (EDT))
    • Actually, as I'm thinking about it, I think it should just go under Portal:Research. Not all the articles there are forced into another portal. For instance, algorithm and the list reside in research and that's about it. I think the Shanti virus would be fine in there, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
      • That's a much better fit. And actually, the virus probably belongs in the research series box, too, since it was the focus of Chandra's research for some time.--Hardvice (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
        • Again, as I said, I like "item" better than "thing" cause a virus is a physical thing. You can tell with a microscope that a microbe is there. The "things" portal contains abstract stuff like the symbols and markings. And I don't like labelling a biological entity as a research item (that's why I moved it out of "research" to begin with), but I'm okay with being out-voted ;) PS: if we do later decide to add a new portal for diseases, we could stretch it (yeah, it would be a stretch given the limited info we have) by adding "Claire's chromosomal disease", "Sandra's brain damage" and "Charlie's brain tumor", in addition to my already mentioned "Shanti virus" and "Dr. Strauss's virus"--that's a max five thus far.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
          • Right, if there are a bunch of diseases, sicknesses, etc. later on, then we could rearrange. But I agree with Admin, I don't want to create articles or categories just to "fill spaces". But while we have what we have, I think the virus best fits under research, especially considering that it was not only the impetus for Chandra's research, but was pretty much the only thing he even had to research for a number of years. I'll go ahead and make the change now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:40, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
            • I agree, definitely belongs with Chandra's other research. (Admin 23:43, 5 September 2007 (EDT))
              • When I made the article, I added the research template. So, I agree. Fine fit. --DocM 09:29, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Note: (Speculative?) All known victims of the disease have been evolved humans

In the notes section, it lists the three victims, then makes what I believe is a speculative comment afterwards (since it has never been confirmed in canon, that Shanti was an evolved human.

• The characters who have been infected by the virus are:

Dying patient (Blackout, Part 1)

Shanti Suresh (Homecoming, Six Months Ago, The Hard Part)

Molly Walker (The Hard Part)

• To date, all known victims of the disease have been evolved humans.

Shouldn't the second note above, be removed for speculation? It is assuming Shanti is an Evolved Human. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/7/2007 12:06 (EST)

• You're right, it should be removed. We don't classify Shanti as an evolved human yet, so that statement wouldn't be accurate. (Admin 12:18, 7 September 2007 (EDT))
• Good catch. I think Ted was trying to get rid of the speculation that the virus affects only EHs, while still preserving the integrity of the evidence. I didn't catch that, either. Good job. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:13, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

Niki?

• In one of the episode commentaries, apparently it mentions that Niki has this virus. Should this be included? (I'm thinking not because it hasn't been confirmed in-show, but I thought I'd ask.)--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  14:19, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
  • You are correct. It should be in Notes, not in the main body of the article.--Hardvice (talk) 14:34, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
    • It's pretty much confirmed now in-show.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Disambig?

So can we add a new disambig page now for virus? There's at least three now:

1. Shanti virus -- the one which infected Shanti Suresh and now several others.
2. Maya's virus -- it's more of an ability, but it has been compared to a virus.
3. Dr. Strauss's virus -- Hana was sent last year to obtain info. about his work.

Any others I missed?--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2007 (EST)

• Maya's ability hasn't been confirmed as a virus yet, so it should probably be left off. There is also the virus that killed Hana. -Lөvөl 16:32, 8 November 2007 (EST)
  • Good addition with Hana's virus. I forgot about that one. As for Maya's ability, I think it should be included in the disambig since it is being compared to one.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:37, 8 November 2007 (EST)
    • As long as it's worded clearly enough to avoid speculation, it should be included. Probably something along the lines of "Maya's ability, which causes a fatal sickness in its victims." That way, any claim that it is or isn't a virus is avoided, while still allowing for the fact that some fans refer to it as a virus.--Hardvice (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)
      • We don't know it's a fatal sickness though. It can just be a fatality without a sickness. I mean, yes it's being referred to in interviews and such, but it's still purely speculation, and we shouldn't include it until it's confirmed.--Riddler 17:27, 8 November 2007 (EST)
        • People can sicken from a virus, a toxin, radiation, infection, shock, or any cause. Sickness does not necessarily mean disease or virus. Her victims visibly sicken.--Hardvice (talk) 19:57, 8 November 2007 (EST)
• virus (disambig). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:48, 8 November 2007 (EST)
  • Thanks, Ryan. It's nicely worded.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2007 (EST)

The Shanti Virus didn't kill Shanti

The Virus that killed Shanti can't be the plague that scourges humanity in the second future reality. Mohinder's sister died from a disease that was similar to that what is now called "the Shanti Virus". But there's one significant difference between the two of them: The SV is a mutation of the original one and due to that immune to Mohinder's blood-transfusion-treatment. So you can't say that Shanti was the first one to die from the Virus. This should be mentioned in the article. --BloodyFox, 9 Nov 2007, 13:44 (CEST)

• Sure we can say that the Shanti virus is what killed Shanti. Even if there's a mutation, it's still considered the Shanti virus. As far as I understand, we don't name every strain and mutation of the common cold. I think it's a good idea to say that the virus has mutated, but I don't think there are two different viruses any more than Maury and Matt have two different powers. They're just in different stages. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:55, 9 November 2007 (EST)
  • Well but the original Shanti Virus only affected evolved humans while the mutated one is a pathogene for "normal" humans as well. It's somehow like a cold evolving into a flew. --BloodyFox, 9 Nov 2007, 15:03 (CEST)
    • In Out of Time in the future the man who brings Peter in to see his mother does still call it "the Shanti virus". So despite the mutation they're still calling it the same thing. (Admin 09:35, 9 November 2007 (EST))
    • Not so fast. As far as I remember they never called the Virus that killed Mohinder's Sister the Shanti Virus, they just came up with it refering to the plague. Or am I mistaken? --BloodyFox, 9 Nov 2007, 15:38 (CEST)