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Rounded Corners implementation

• Where is this Nifty talk page? Now you got me interested in checking it out. PS: Spraying the pan with Pam, even the generic kind, helps too. ;)--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Ok, I found the link in MediaWiki:Common.js and refreshed my memory. I think this was discussed before, but I'm not sure how you are considering to implement it now. We could define a new class for tables and divs that automatically converts the borders to be rounded when specified. And another thing to note is not every box or even every corner needs rounding... the character box is fine as-is, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Character box is already rounded in browsers which support it. What we're talking about is making the IE version look like the Firefox version. We're not going to pick and choose which ones to make look like they were rendered in a competent browser.--Hardvice (talk) 00:52, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I'm at loss, then, as to why you were suggesting needing to change template code to make it work in IE? Couldn't the changes just be done in MediaWiki:Common.js after testing that the browser is IE?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:24, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
        • No. Nifty corners requires a combination of CSS and Javascript. The CSS needs to be in the templates for the script to affect them.--Hardvice (talk) 02:54, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
          • Hmm, when I view the source for the main page in IE, I see things like "-moz-border-radius:10px;" as a table attribute. That's what firefox uses to determine that a corner is required and I thought you could just add the extra info IE needs every time such code appears. I'll take a closer look at Nifty tommorrow and try to determine what the CSS is that needs to be added tp the templates (not Common.css). I'm not seeing it right now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
            • We're actually already working on this offsite and have a pretty good idea what we're doing. The Nifty script we're using requires that IDs be assigned to the elements to which it will be applied. Those IDs need CSS at both the stylesheet level and the wiki article level, as well as individual function calls in common.js, and a lot of the markup we currently use in our templates is incompatible with the way the script does up the rounded corners. Since the CSS needs to be in the template level anyway, we're looking at possibly replacing, not supplementing, the -moz-borders (the script generally leaves things looking OK if Javascript is turned off, so it's possible to leave the moz code in and make the Javascript agent-specific, but we might have to make incompatible changes to the templates because some of the stuff we do all the time in templates (like image links) breaks the way the script renders either borders or corners.) But yes, to get it to work properly in a wiki, we need three separate things (well, four if you count the actual script): a function call in common.js, a style block in common.css, and at least an ID (and possibly an inline style block, depending on the formatting) in the individual element to which it needs to apply. Since a lot of the actual formatting (colors, borders, and the like) is specified in both common.js and common.css, it's not quite as simple as setting up a class and applying it to all the elements we want affected--and that's setting aside the compatibility issues with the actual existing markup in our templates. We can't simply apply the same class or ID to all corners we want rounded on the whole site because each function call needs to know the inside and outside colors of the corner, the border style, the corner size, and which corners to round, and that changes from template to template. One function won't do it; neither will one class in common.css--and in any case, we're always going to have to go through each and every rounded element to assign an ID so the script will apply to it and make sure the markup doesn't break the corner rendering.--Hardvice (talk) 04:40, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
              • You can do multiple functions and class definitions in common.js, and I don't see why you can't grab all of that info. using one or more javascript functions and pass it to another. Thanks, I appreciate the lengthy explanation, but the only thing that made sense to me is about the image links breaking the script. I'll check into it more, I guess, when you finish adding it, since it's being worked on offsite where I can't see.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Rounded Corners - involved?

• Is it really that involved, though? There are less than 200 templates, and as far as I can tell, it's mostly a cut and paste job after the script is written. Or am I completely missing something. BTW, the best gravy has chunks. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:38, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
  • It depends. Most of them will be cut-and-paste. And most of the infoboxes are enough alike that, even if we have to redo them, we can do it once and update twenty or so templates quickly. But some of them are designed in ways that are incompatible with the Nifty scripts, so we might have to recreate them--particularly anything with alternate or variable colors. I messed around with the character box, for example, and it might prove challenging. The nice thing is we can pretty much spend as long as we want getting them working on the other site, and then copy them over here when they're working. Some other snags: it's not going to work very well with pages that have more than one blurb without some redesign work. It's manageable, all in all, but I wanted to make sure we agree it's worthwhile before we start ripping stuff apart.--Hardvice (talk) 23:18, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Did things really look that bad using IE7? Or did they just look different? Maybe it's just easier for me to force everyone that comes here to install Firefox. :) I wouldn't do that, but I can wish. (Admin 23:45, 30 September 2007 (EDT))
      • Mostly just different. The square boxes look so primitive now that I'm used to the rounded ones. I think that's the reason for my hesitation: as Morrissey would put it, "such a little thing, but the difference it made was grave".--Hardvice (talk) 00:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)