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Brave New World

• I thought it was good but i think we will not see a New episode of heroes anymore, but on the good side I think Peter got his old powers back --Skyeatsout 22:06, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • He still has the same old power. But Oh My God that was a great episode! I was pleasently surprised at how it ended. 13/10 in my opinion!--Icefire227 22:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Aww, for a second I thought pete had his powers back

It took me a couple seconds to register that he just grabbed samuel's power after tackling him. How disappointing.Gamerelite1 22:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Yeah, it took me a moment or two to realize this. Especially since Samuel was like "Ah, I see you've got my power now..." 22:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • That got me too. Oh well, he seems to have doubled his IQ since he got his new power...--Ratclaws 23:04, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Pretty sure he replicated flight to get there so fast with Sylar given how fast he can fly. I thought he'd take one of Sylar's abilities to battle Sammy but I liked this better. Even a sort of nod to Nathan there: he tackled Samdei the same way.--WarGrowlmon18 23:22, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Will Heroes be back for Volume 6, "Brave New World"?

I want to see how the rest of the Heroes Wiki fanbase feels about this. I honestly think we'll get to see at least another season. Hopefully NBC sees the value in all the new stories the writers could come up with, with Sylar turning good and all that. Bad bad Sylar is a hackneyed story by now. 22:10, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• After the conan fiasco, I think they'll be keeping heroes. Doesn't make sense to get rid of a show that still makes money when they don't have anything to replace it with.Gamerelite1 22:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • Yeah I really hope they have another season. But just 1 though, enough to give the series a proper send off. Any more and it will start to just get hella lame. I think 5 or 6 seasons is enough for any show. And I really miss Conan.--Icefire227 22:15, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • I'm with you, Icefire. Especially if NBC announced it IS the last season: build up the hype and whatnot. And shut up everyone who's been calling for it to happen. 22:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • It would be nice if Heroes came back, but at this point I couldn't care less. All the cool characters have been ruined, all the stories have been hastily wrapped up, and it seems they've re-tread the same old plot again, and again, and again. A total reboot would be nice.--Gibbeynator 22:31, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• • • • • To be fair, Sylar being GOOD is already a hackneyed story. But I don't hope for Heroes to end anytime soon. --Action Figure 22:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
          • In the event it does go down, I hope it frees Hayden up so she can go back to Kingdom Hearts.--Gibbeynator 22:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • I really hope Heroes isn't over. The way I see, it's finally gotten back to season one quality, and I think they have a lot of room to expand. I'm not hoping for another three seasons or anything, but I really would like to see where they go with Specials being revealed. --Clairesxtwin48 22:34, 8 February 2010 (EST)
        • • • Kingdom Hearts and Heroes never coincided?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:50, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Peter's battle with Samuel

My guess is he replicated flight to get to Central Park really fast, getting it from Sylar. I loved how he tackled Sammy with it, nice touch there. I also loved the battle there, though I wish Samuel was killed instead of arrested.--WarGrowlmon18 22:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• If Robert Knepper's down for it, maybe they'll bring him back in future episodes. I'm glad he's still alive. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:16, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • I like how he was arrested actually. Too many TV shows end with the main villian being killed.--Icefire227 22:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Samuel has probably been one of the most interesting villains on the entire show and I'm really glad they kept him alive. While his fight wasn't the best, I was still pleased with it. I hope they bring him back, seeing as he could possibly become the new big recurring villain (since Sylar is a good guy now...which in my opinion just ruined his character) and bring back the trend of having villains with only one power. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 22:32, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • Well its Robert Knepper, Im sure he can BREAK out of PRISON. --Action Figure 22:34, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Haha, very true (Get's the Prison Break plug) -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 22:35, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • Sadly he won't be breaking out. he seems to be completely powerless without a few specials around.
        • I'm very very happy Samuel's still alive. He seems mostly harmless without anyone around him, but there's always the chance someone could spring him from prison and he could become a threat again. And he's also less likely to simply be killed at the start of Volume 6...Swm 04:56, 9 February 2010 (EST)

My personal opinion on this episode

Honestly, I had pretty good view of this seasons overall, I loved the last few episodes, but this one let me down. It felt somewhat rushed, but more importantly, it was far to convient and tidy. The one scene that pisses me off the most is where Claire, Noah, Eli and Edgar have an "intervention" with the carnies, and for whatever reason the carnies believe them over their leader. What were they thinking?

"Oh, hey look, that drama queen's going on about something, she sounds kind of urgent."
"She always sounds urgent..."
"But she sounds really urgent this time! Oh look, Noah and Edgar walked in!"
"The guy that murdered Lydia and the guy that ran away?"
"Yeah, they're backing that girl up! It must be true!"
"Wait, hold on. One of these persons has a penchant for killing specials and the other left us when confronted by our leader, implying guilt. How in God's name do they make her argument more compelling?"
"Well... I... Oh hey! Eli walked in! He agrees with them! That guy always seemed to have it together!"
"He came back a month ago after Joseph kicked him out and stares at our women all the time..."
"No, no. They're definitely right."
"Are you honestly saying that you're talking the opinion of four adversaries of the carnival over our trusted leader?"
"Yeah."
"Ah. All right then, let's bail."

Doesn't that look ridiculous to anyone else? And then Samuel's left powerless and screams pathetically at no one, repeating himself over and over? Besides being horribly cliched, it was just way too predictable. I guess at this point the writers realized that everything was tied up a little too tightly, and devised some introduction into the next season while making us all feel nostalgic with a familiar line ("My name's Claire....."). Thoroughly disappointed by this.

Hiro's plot was what kept this episode from being total trash, although that twist (We all had no idea where he/she was, but they were living amongst us this whole time?!!) was already used earlier this season. Still, I felt for Hiro. I'm sorry for this absurdly long post but I really just needed to vent....--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:19, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• I dunno, I feel like a former carnie, a less-former carnie, and "the enemy" agreeing would be enough to at least pique their interest. All it would have taken was Damien to prove it. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:22, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • My point was that it didn't just pique their interest, within the space of a minute they were totally convinced.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • "And then Samuel's left powerless and screams pathetically at no one, repeating himself over and over?" You do realize this is because he didn't expect Hiro to show up, with Ando, and save the day by teleporting dozens of specials away? Samuel figured they were all running and hiding, and he could still influence them if they were? He's a little crazy, hence the screaming pathetically at no one. 22:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • Shouting the same line over and over? Again, this isn't so much a criticism of his acting as it is a criticism of the writing. Everything ended up way too tidy, way too quickly.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:49, 8 February 2010 (EST)
        • He sunk a entire town. That has to still be on their minds. Plus, some never fully trusted him to begin with. I really enjoyed this episode, and hope they do come back for next season.--Ratclaws 23:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
• Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Eli admitting to killing Lydia was the last nail in the coffin. Samuel's right-hand man turning on him is a pretty powerful statement. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:11, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • I'd agree, except for that fact that Eli walked in half-blazed, speaking somewhat incoherently. Also, he's not the most reliable of characters, he's sketchy beyond belief and the carnies know that Joseph had kicked him out before.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:58, 9 February 2010 (EST)
    • I think you're being a little uncharitable. Samuel's stock with the carnies wasn't exactly high to start with, due to the sinking of the town. You then have Samuel's right hand man admitting to the deed of killing of the few people they were fond of in Lydia on his orders. That in itself should be enough to get them to turn on Samuel, regardless of Eli's personality. Edgar backing him up doesn't hurt. Swm 05:01, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Peter and Emma

Please tell me I wasn't the only one who said "awwww" when Peter and Emma hugged! These two are adorable. Thoughts on next (possible) season? Peter and Emma as a couple, maybe? --Clairesxtwin48 22:27, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Was hoping for a kiss myself, but there's hope there.--WarGrowlmon18 22:32, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • And then she will get lost in space and timeGamerelite1 22:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Damn edit conflict, I was just about to say that X(. Seriously though, I think they'll either be together or very close, but I don't think it will be focused on that much.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:34, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Fully agree with Gamerelite1! I've been shipping these two from the start, and though I'm rather afraid that Emma's going to get offed, she's significantly more popular than Simone or Caitlin ever were (though that doesn't explain poor Charlie), and I can't see the show killing her off just yet. Either way, Pemma is pretty much the most adorable thing, platonic OR romantic, since Hiro and Charlie. --Clairesxtwin48 22:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)

What Matt did to Eli

I think Matt told Eli to go back to the Carnival and reveal the truth and then leave. Why else would he have done that and what else could he have ordered him to do???--WarGrowlmon18 22:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Uh. well that was obviously what happened.Gamerelite1 22:36, 8 February 2010 (EST)
• Hm, that's interesting. I suspect that there were many more orders involved in that whammy, and I'm betting it's going to be explored next season (provided there is one), along with Bennet owing Tracy a favor. --Clairesxtwin48 22:55, 8 February 2010 (EST)

A better question is how Eli got from Los Angeles to New York so quickly... --CourtesyofTVRage.com 23:54, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Whoever or whatever that has been teleporting the carnival and its inhabitants is probably responsible for that. It suddenly occurs to me that we will probably never know the exact mechanism behind that feat.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:12, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Power

Why did Samuel's power drain completely when most of the specials were teleported away? Peter was right next to him and Sylar, Doyle and Emma were near, weren't they? He was able to create a sinkhole under a mansion and collapse a police station by himself.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:53, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• That's a valid question. Plothole? --Clairesxtwin48 22:54, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • I don't think he lost it completly, he just lost all that extra power that gave him such an extreme ability. He's just significantly weaker now. Peter had the same ability and same amplification, maybe one special (well four if you count, Emma, Sylar and Doyle as well) just wasn't enough to give him that large boost which makes sense.--WarGrowlmon18 22:59, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • It looked like he was just waving his hands while nothing happened.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:00, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • It's possible that Peter used his replicated terrakinesis to prevent him from moving anything. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:01, 8 February 2010 (EST)
        • Or he could have been trying to do something major and as he lacked the power anymore nothing happened.--WarGrowlmon18 23:04, 8 February 2010 (EST)
          • I'm leaning toward either Peter using Terrakineses to stop Samuel, or Peter stealing Terrakinesis from Samuel entirely, taking away the thing that made him special, more than a carny, but that's a theory that could possibly be explored in the next season.... which NBC should totally do! PowerSink 00:29, 9 February 2010 (EST)
            • I doubt Peter removed Samuel's powers totally, he can only copy abilities. My guess is Samuel was just really weak, remember, in one episode in a flashback he couldn't even lift a boulder with just Joseph around. I don't think he has the level of power Sparrow does or her power stemmed from having Rebel around and all of the people on the plane, which come to think of it, might explain how she was able to survive that fall in Rebellion Part 2: her power was amplified enough by the people on the plane that she could do it.--WarGrowlmon18 00:34, 9 February 2010 (EST)
              • Samuel was only a kid then, and he's proven that he can do semi-amazing feats alone, like the ones listed above. However, I doubt that Peter took Samuel's power, because Samuel used it for a few moments longer even after Peter mimicked it.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:35, 9 February 2010 (EST)
                • Considering he battled Peter with it I'd say Peter didn't take it from him, so maybe the writters simply made him practicaly powerless to emphazie how much he relies on the carnies. The only things we've ever seen him do with no other people around are kill Mohinder and Joseph and he was probably drawing off their powers although he may not have needed to. The Carnival seemed to be close to that town he destroyed and I think the Carnival was in Canin when he destroyed the police station given a flyer seen there so he probably was able to draw off the evolved humans there. We have no idea of his range with that but its probably within a mile or so maybe and maybe the more evolved humans there are the more the range is. I think he tried to do something big, but couldn't manage it due to his lack of power and if he tried to do something smaller, something would have happened.--WarGrowlmon18 00:55, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Charlie

Anyone else think that the actress who played Old Charlie resembled Jayma Mays alot?--Icefire227 23:43, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Its hard to tell looks wise when the age difference is so vast. I did however think she did an awesome job acting like Jayma Mays. I loved it.--Cairoi 01:48, 9 February 2010 (EST)

new actors and characters

Jennie Fahn (image)

Mercy Heights nurse (II) (image)

Ron Franco (image)

harlequin clown (image)

Charly Emery (image)

Female reporter (image)

Allyson Roche     Allyson Roche (upload)

Sally (image)

Shane Conrad (image)

Male reporter (image)

K Callan (image)

Charlie (image)

-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Question

With that ending, was it the series finally. I really hope there's another season, it's a great show. Homersimpson 23:49, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• They introduced a new volume at the end of the episode which implies that they think there's going to be another season. However, this may or may not be true.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 01:05, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Chiro

I guess they weren't fated to be together. I really hoped that Hiro would go to the past and stay with Charlie, because getting her back could cause a paradox, but no... this time, no Quantum Leap happy ending. AltesUTC CH 02:56, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Disappointing

Does anyone else think this is quite disappointing to see in a finale? I was kind of wishing at least one main character to end up dead, for that grieving effect. And at least some explanation or extensive use of a power. Some of the character's destiny was quite unclear, like Matt's and Mohinder's. Plus, if ever there will be(though I highly doubt it) a next season, I see no other paths for the show to take other than a season 3 like series(regular versus special humans). Or having regular humans accepting existence of the specials and all lived happily ever after until some new villain turns up *yawn*.--Realistic

• On that note, I think they made Mohinder a Graphic Novel character now, not to be appearing on the show again in a possible 5th season (other than perhaps guest starring). They kinda indicated that when he just ran off in Pass/Fail and his story got continued in a GN --Smouvy 9:54, 9 February 2010 (GMT)