Fan Creation talk:Fan powers/Archive

Need for page

Do we really need this page? Does anyone else think we should move it to a user subpage namespace? Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 11:05, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

• I don't care one way or the other. It's no worse (or better) than some of our other fan creations. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:04, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

I think if this page is to exist:

• Each power listed should only provide a brief description and limits.
• Otherwise, it should definatley belong on a userspace.--Riddler 18:11, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
  • And the most recent addition is why this page shouldn't. People are retarded. --Riddler 18:46, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
• Since it's been contributed by more than one user (with actual content versus removing content), then I'd stear away from moving it to a subpage. But prior to the other two one-time additions, yes, it belonged as a user subpage.--Bob 19:55, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
• Should we enforce some level of seriousness, here, or should we just leave silliness like "tomatosis" alone? --Ted C 13:35, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Hmmm

I decided to reserve judgment on this article for a few days because, really, it's no different than any of the other fan creations. However, since it seems like people are going to take it seriously (there's a stern warning not to add silly powers now), then I think it should be shot in the face before it gets out of control. The 'ships articles were enough of a headache, what with the prolonged unfunny edit wars, and the Theories articles are still like that. No one is ever going to agree on what constitutes a "silly" fan power and what constitutes a "serious" fan power. I say we either let people add whatever they want (and trim it to a list--we don't need paragraphs on hypothetical powers) or kill it now before it gets out of control.--Hardvice (talk) 18:20, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

• I think that's a great solution. Let's let it stew and see what comes of it. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I think it is funny that in the same edit that the warning not to add silly powers was added, two silly power names were added "crystallogenesis" and "metallogenesis". -Lөvөl 12:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Standards

If we're going to have this page, can't we at least come up with some standards for inclusion and naming? Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 20:51, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

• Page definatley needs hard standards if it's not to be a user subpage. --Piemanmoo 16:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
• Like I said, just a brief definition of the power and it's limits. We don't need to know how it could be used in battle.

An example I could think of would be: --Ability: Weather Control
Description: The ability to control aspects of weather, such as rain, snow, and lightning.
Limits: One can only control the weather in an immediate area, and if extreme caution and concentration isn't used, it can become uncontrollable.

Ability: Manifestation Activation
Description: Through concentration, he who has this ability can, in short terms, activate ones power, even if they are only an infant.
Limits: This can be harmful to those who don't have an ability to manifest, and those who are too young may not be able to control their ability.--Riddler 17:37, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Use of Limits

Looking at what's been put here so far, I'm inclined to think the "Limits" category is useless. Almost every one I've read so far has "the limits are unknown". In practice, individuals with essentially the same power might have far different limits, anyway. For instance, "ballistic telekinesis" is really just "telekinesis" with a particular limit on its use. For a "fun" page like this, the limits category could be used differently than we use it in the regular Power pages. Looking at an example...

Bioluminescence is the ability to emit light from one's own body. This light is bright and potentially blinding.
Limits: The limits to this ability are currently unknown.

This entry would work better if part of the description were actually converted to a limit, as follows...

Bioluminescence is the ability to emit light from one's own body.
Limits: This intensity of the light may range from a dim glow to a blinding radiance.

Keep in mind that people are essentially proposing new powers: it's not like we're trying to determine the limitations of powers we've already seen in use. Limits may not even be the best word to use, although I'd hesitate to make someone mass-change the entire page.
--Ted C 09:51, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

• I added an entry for Enhanced Sight to demonstrate what I mean. --Ted C 09:56, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

It could work

• I think this is a good idea for also the fans to show what powers they would want Heroes characters to have. But I'm just curious, should we edit the silly ones out like tomatosis or leave it for laughs? Otherwise, I think this was a good idea. I agree with Riddler, I think there should be a layout and an organized matter. Jason Garrick 21:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I re-typed Biological Perpetuity. If you guys like it, I'll do the rest to the best of my ability so we have some structure for this page. It also lessens the bulk. --Riddler 22:22, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Check the history...

Tell me what you think. --Riddler 23:24, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

• Anything? Also, I added mine.

A fair few of these powers would actually fit very well into the show, although others like Crystal Generation, Biological Weaponry, Instant Fatality, and Metal Generation don't really fit. On the show, most of the powers don't involve generating something from the body, but having an enhanced way of using a body part, such as propelling oneself through the air or walking through a wall... and instant death seems too powerful. --Riddler 15:28, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

• • The site's not really a place to expand ideas that would fit on the show. It's more of a repository of information of things that are actually on the show like the episodes and the graphic novels. Plus there's hundreds of edits for people to go through, so this page isn't exactly one we're checking often.--Bob 17:28, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Record

Congratulations, fan powers, on being the first article with 100 sections. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2007 (EDT)

• I think we can combine and delete some of the sections. Skiaporation, Skiakinesis, and Umbrakinesis are all essentially the same. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 00:08, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
  • Go for it. But if more than one person added to the power, all names should be attributed (even though I don't quite understand why there is an "added by" section for each power in the first place). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:09, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
    • The 100 comment made me Lolizze, Ryan.--Bob 02:35, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Editing

Okay, so we all know Wikipedia is all about editing, but there's something about editing someone else's creations that the majority of us shy away from. Put simply, a good handful of these fan powers could be improved on and merged to make more sense, or to give the power more meaning - take Tempokinesis for example, the ability to manipulate sound waves. It could also be used to disguise sound waves to make the user inaudible, able to sneak around in silence for example, but its not mentioned.

So... does anyone care if I or anyone else edits in such a way? Maybe this page could eventually have a use :) --Moonkea 17:29, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

• Go ahead. We removed the "created by" lines so that it's open for anyone, as opposed to someone's "property". Feel free to expand.--Bob 17:48, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Ditto. Anything to put this page on a diet would be good. Combine away. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:54, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

So once "Stench of a Thousand Corpses" becomes a power shown on the show or in the GNs...

If one of these are actually shown on cannon source, I guess we remove it from here. Correct?--Bob 17:51, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

• That's right, because then it's no longer a "fan" power, but an actual power (in the world of Heroes, at least). I think some powers have a good chance of making appearances on the show, but not others. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

Organizing

Might we organize these powers somewhat? An alpha split shouldn't be too hard. We could also organize them by area like Dr. Suresh's Activating Evolution website does, ie.:
- 1 Manipulation of nature and the traditional elements
- 2 Manipulation of waves
- 3 Manipulation of atoms and matter
- 4 Enhanced human capabilities (physical)
- 5 Enhanced human capabilities (Mental)
- 6 Miscellaneous
My preference is a simple alpha split.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

• By "split" are you referring to creating additional sections and subsections, or are you referring to splitting it into multiple articles? I don't think this article should be split into multiple articles, but I do think it could be interesting to split it into sections based on the nature of the power if someone wanted to tackle that. Since the powers are already in alphabetical order I dont think splitting into sections alphabetically really adds much to the article. (Admin 19:18, 11 August 2007 (EDT))
• Lucky I checked here before editing - I was just about to clean some of these things up. For starters there are about 6 powers that can alter matter one way or another, when a power called something as simple as Matter Manipulation would sum everything up. I was and may well be about to clean the list up in this way, and I'm for cleaning it up and categorizing it a better way after that. Also, looking at the Activating Evolution page, would abilities already listed there need to taken off here, or is that page totally irrelevant to this one?--Moonkea 20:05, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
  • The page there is irrelevant when it comes to the list here. It's just linked as another reference to a fan-created list of powers. (Admin 20:15, 11 August 2007 (EDT))
    • I would be really hesitant to organize this list any way other than alphabetically. I just don't want to see arguments about classifying powers that cross boundaries or fall into multiple categories. It'll be much easier to keep them in good ol' fashioned ABC order. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
      • My thought is that this list is simply super-long... I was indeed refering to splitting it into seperate articles like how we have 5 pages and a linking page for the graphic novel characters portal. First, there's the practical issue of the time it takes to load/edit the page. IMDb recently switched to a multi-page forum system because long threads were slowing down their servers. This is probably not currently an issue for the wiki; but at 58kbytes, fan powers is currently the third-longest article behind only the EH and Misc theories article (See Special:Longpages) so I thought it was worth mentioning.

Second, there's the issue of whether it's becoming too hard for users to determine if a similar power has already been listed. I do realize that there may be some debate about the organizing categories, but my opinion is that it'll be much easier to spot repeat powers if categorized. The EH and Misc theories articles don't really have this problem.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

• I agree there - some of the powers when I went through them yesterday were duplicates of another power listed right above it. As for those sections, I think it would need to be as simple as possible, perhaps a list of powers that are personal (like Precognition or Rapid Cell Regeneration), effect others (like Healing or Persuasion) and effects material (like Telekinesis or Technopathy), otherwise we'd end up with more lists than we started with.--Moonkea 04:03, 12 August 2007 (EDT)