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Talk:Cloning
| Ability Naming Conventions | |
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| The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order: | |
| 1. Canon Sources | Episodes |
| Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions | |
| 3. Secondary Sources | Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival |
| 4. Common names for abilities | Names from other works |
| 5. Descriptions of abilities | Descriptions |
| 6. Possessor's name | If no non-speculative description is possible |
| Source/Explanation | |
| "...he was fighting a man who could create duplicates of himself, clones." "A man who could replicate himself before my very eyes."(Revolutionary War, Part 2). | |
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"Clone" appears in the novel introduction. Adam uses "replicate" in the novel. Either "Cloning" or "Replication" is probably acceptable, and either one is based on a near-canon source. Any strong opinions?--Hardvice (talk) 03:50, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- My "opinions" are stated on Talk:Duplication.--Tim Thomason 03:52, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- To head off any unnecessary discussion, the only options are "cloning", "replication", or "duplication", as those names are used in a near-canon source. No other names can be considered, no matter how wicked-cool you think they are, unless they come from an episode.--Hardvice (talk) 04:06, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- cloning. the seems the most fitting name for the ability. well, lets be honest, cloning means: "the process of creating an identical copy of something. In biology, it collectively refers to processes used to create copies of DNA fragments (molecular cloning), cells (cell cloning), or organisms." "Self replication" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication) seems to be the most precise term possible tho :D
Merged talk from Talk:Duplication
Name?
All of these are mentioned in some way in the GN (none directly, just "duplicates," "replicates," "clones"). I could go either way, but the page should be moved (if necessary) to the "correct" page, and the others should be redirects.--Tim Thomason 03:48, 27 November 2007 (EST)
Okay, someone created cloning (I made mine first!), but it's better than mine, so I guess merging won't be necessary.--Tim Thomason 03:51, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I just went with "cloning" because it was already redlinked from Evan. I actually prefer duplication or replication because they're less "loaded" than cloning, but it's really all about the same to me. If anything, we could go with "replication" because it appears in the text of the novel, while the other two only appear in the introduction, but I don't think that really matters.--Hardvice (talk) 03:57, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- For now, I'll go ahead and merge these two articles under "cloning" and we can go with whatever name people like later, just to keep the discussion centralized.--Hardvice (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I started the term cloning (on the evan page), but I do prefere replication Dman Dustin
- Since the graphic novel introductions have never been considered very reliable, are often filled with dubious information, and are definitely not written by the author of the graphic novel, I would feel much more comfortable using the term used by Oliver Grigsby himself. He used the word "replicate", so I'm under the impression that the best name for the power is "replication". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- Cloning just sounds... too... I don't know, scientific? Not the word I was looking for. >_> Let's just say I'm a way bigger fan of Duplication. --AnotherNella 06:17, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I agree with Ryan, given the content of the graphic novel "replication" looks like the best name to me as well. (Admin 09:43, 27 November 2007 (EST))
- Since the graphic novel introductions have never been considered very reliable, are often filled with dubious information, and are definitely not written by the author of the graphic novel, I would feel much more comfortable using the term used by Oliver Grigsby himself. He used the word "replicate", so I'm under the impression that the best name for the power is "replication". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I started the term cloning (on the evan page), but I do prefere replication Dman Dustin
- Replication or Duplication, gets my vote. Duplication is the name of the power from the Marvel Comics (Multiple Man). Cloning just strikes of controversy. --Snow Leapord 07:10, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- To me, 'duplication' has more of a 'cloning oneself' connotation, to it than 'replication'. Out of this story's context, if I heard someone had the power of 'duplication', I would think 'Cloning'. If I heard someone had the power of 'replication', I would think they could touch a toaster sitting on the shelf, and replication 12 more toasters....(aka not cloning)....kinda like the 'replicators' on Star Trek. What about using 'cloning' as an adjective of 'duplication', and then calling the power 'Clonal Duplication'. Variations of both words are GN Canon, and by combining them together as the name of the power, there is no doubt or confusion as to what the power is. (In other words, no context is needed to understand what the power does). --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/27/2007 09:22 (EST)
- I like Replication. When I think 'Cloning' I think of DNA. We don't know if this connection to DNA exists, especially when given the era. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:18, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- The novel said that not only did he create duplicates of himself, but that the duplicates were clones. I'd say cloning is the best description of his ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:07, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I would go with Self-Replication or Self-Duplication. Clonig makes me think he can clone other things, not himself. Modestoddesy 13:56, 27 November 2007 (EST)
The three choices don't most accurately convey the GN naming given
The Graphic novel doesn't explicitly say Cloning, nor Replication, nor Duplication.
It rather, uses variations of those words in two phrase. ("Duplicates of himself, clones"; AND "replicate himself").
Therefore, the most accurate descriptive name for this power, should be a variation that most closely matches that presented from the graphic novel.
'Using a single word, any of the three suggested, creates ambiguity of the power, which the Graphic Novel itself doesn't, because the graphic novel itself qualifies the term variations with 'himself' .
Modestoddesy is correct, the single-word discussion choices aren't the most accurate choices conveyed by the Graphic Novel itself.
The choices should be, based on the graphic Novel which says verbatim: ("Duplicates of himself, cloning") AND ("replicate himself")
- "Self-Duplication"
- "Self-Replication"
- "Self-Replication (Cloning)" .....the most accurate choice, given from the GN itself: from the exact quote "Duplicates of himself, clones" --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/27/2007 14:29 (EST)
- That's a fair point. There's no way we'd use a power name with a parenthetical, though--it's just too awkward to use in sentences and the like, necessitating a bunch of piping or redirects. But you're right, "self-replication" or "self-duplication" is probably acceptable. I'm just trying to keep these name discussions from degenerating into the usual "oh how about (name X which has no source) because it sounds cool" like all the others, when we clearly do have a near-canon option (three, actually).--Hardvice (talk) 14:38, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I'd go with Replication over duplication (even though I personally prefer this) or cloning (kinda weird in a DNA-based show for a power name), mostly since the intro wasn't written by the GN writer (just, presumably, an NBC exec). Barring that, I'd agree with Self-Replication for the same reason.--Tim Thomason 17:55, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I don't mind, and rather prefer self-cloning over the two alternatives. I should point out, though, that for other powers, we don't specify whether the power is only applicable to oneself (i.e. self-flight vs. flight).--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- Duplication is definitely the best choice. Not only does it say it in the intro, it's a common power title like Flight or Invisibility... and I already made it >_>.--Riddler 18:12, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- The thing is that by itself, Duplication or Replication aren't very precise. What is he replicating? Other stuff? Can he hold a fishbowl and repicate it into two identical fishbowls? Self-Replication is the most appropriate description of the power in my opinion. Duplication means splitting into two, while Repication means splitting into multiple parts. And the Self prefix is needed, for the above reason. Even though Self-Replication was never explicitly said in the GN, no other ones were given either, so we must make do with something close to the original. So while Cloning sounds cool, it's not as accurate as Self-Replication.--Piemanmoo 18:20, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- Duplication is definitely the best choice. Not only does it say it in the intro, it's a common power title like Flight or Invisibility... and I already made it >_>.--Riddler 18:12, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I don't mind, and rather prefer self-cloning over the two alternatives. I should point out, though, that for other powers, we don't specify whether the power is only applicable to oneself (i.e. self-flight vs. flight).--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- I'd go with Replication over duplication (even though I personally prefer this) or cloning (kinda weird in a DNA-based show for a power name), mostly since the intro wasn't written by the GN writer (just, presumably, an NBC exec). Barring that, I'd agree with Self-Replication for the same reason.--Tim Thomason 17:55, 27 November 2007 (EST)
- Are the introductions written by NBC or by the graphic novel writers? If it's not written by the writer then it actually falls between #2 and #3 on the naming convention list above and then cloning is off the table since the other terms are of higher precedence. (Admin 18:26, 27 November 2007 (EST))