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Finally... a hint on his power

  • Bob says "With Claire's blood, Claire might become a major player. The next Linderman. The next Arthur Petrelli." 03:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
    • His power yes, as in power over the Company, not his special ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)
      • That's what I was thinking, too.--Ice Vision 13:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)
        • Me too. Bob says: "...you could be taking orders from her in a few years".--Hgjgkjgk 16:15, 11 December 2007 (EST)
    • It's a little weird that the Company is so obsessed with Claire's blood. I mean, until the end of Season One, they had Adam in custody. You'd think they'd have all magic blood they wanted.--14:00, 11 December 2007 (EST)
      • I'm pretty sure that's why they kept him alive (even though there's no evidence of them using his blood). "With Claire's blood" could be taken both figuratively (evolved granddaughter of the last Arthur Petrelli, the 2 evolved parent thing) and literally (an untainted, non-maniacal evil person with healing blood, unlike the locked-up Adam). Bob expected that they would one day take in Claire for tests (as Thompson stated), eventually promote her to Agent status (like Elle was), and eventually make her way up past Claude and Haitian status to be a senior agent/leader (presumably replacing some of the old Company leaders).--Tim Thomason 18:30, 11 December 2007 (EST)
        • Who needs Adam's blood when Linderman can heal anyone he wants? No extraction needed. --Aldrius 21:39, 4 January 2008 (EST)
          • Linderman can't heal the dead. If Adam's blood has limitations, they would need Claire. Also, its always good to have a spare. And, experiments are nothing with out a few test subjects. Nonredhead 5 June 2008 (EST)

NBC Promo

A promo that aired during Life this past Friday: One man has pulled all the strings. He is the father of 3 heroes (showed pictures of Nathan, Sylar, & Peter in that order). The leader of the villians and Monday we finally meet him. That either conculusively proves Arthur is the father of all 3 or Angela had an affair or more than one affair. --Snow Leapord 11:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Yep, that'll be enough to say that all 3 boys are Arthur's...once the episode airs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • This promo bothered me alot. They don't usually make promo's so spoilery.--Riddler 18:35, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Seriously... really didn't leave much to the imagination... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Also, I like how they listed Sylar as a hero. :O Foreshadowing? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I forgot about this promo. Technically, it's still a spoiler, and technically the world of Heroes has not yet revealed who Sylar's biological dad is...but I'm not going to argue this or make any changes one way or another. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Occupation

As far as we know, he's not the head of Pinehearst, is he? --Aburu 21:25, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • He seems to be the highest shown so far, as Maury kisses his ass to no end.--Riddler 21:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • True, though that could just be his fear of someone so powerful. I was just trying to figure out if there's enough evidence to label him as the leader on the Pinehearst page --Aburu 21:47, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
      • It didn't look like Arthur had any power at all just lying on the bed though --Rayhond 22:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Ah yes, but power isn't always limited to abilities. --Aburu 22:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
          • The only affiliation that we know Arthur has with Pinehearst is that he is using their machines to stay alive. We don't know anything of his leadership or even membership in the organization. Maury could just have respect for the guy (which why wouldn't he, they helped form the Company together 30 years ago) and it may have nothing at all to do with Pinehearst. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I'm inclined to believe that Arthur, even in his current state, can mess Maury up real good and is a force to be reckoned with. I mean, that "you wont be able to move" thing to Angela in her dream...something about that says Watch Out! --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
          • We still don't know if that was Arthur's power and not Maury's. I'm inclined to believe Maury put her in that state.--Nonredhead 11:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Redirect "Arthur" here?

I think maybe we should redirect "Arthur" to this page, since now that Arthur Petrelli is a major player, people will probably be looking for him most of the time.--Aburu 14:56, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Power: Ability Theft

I motion that Arthur's ability is actually the power to steal others' abilities. He stole Adam's regeneration, leading to him aging 400 years in seconds since he could no longer stay immortal.

This would also make Arthur the empath Claude knew before Peter.

Which episode did Claude say that in? Also if was an Empath Mimicker like Peter Petrelli why would he need to touch Adam Monroe's hand? If he was an Empath Mimicker he wouldn't have needed Adam to be there since Empath Mimickers absorb it the first time they are around the power and he would have been around Adam several times when The Company was first founded and for a time after it's founding. Another if he was an Empath Mimicker it wouldn't have killed Adam in the fashion of making him age 400 or so years in seconds. This episode also seems to imply that he has Telepathy like Matt and Maury, that or Adam just knew based on his past experience with Arthur and what he would do to others and how. Plus you need to sign your comments here. --Snow Leapord 21:27, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

He needs to touch someone to steal their powers. It's like a more violent mix of Sylar and Peter. --Plot_Device 21:45, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Okay, now I think it's even more clear: I called it above in the unsigned post. --Plot_Device 22:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Could this be an advanced form of Aura absorption? --Xepeyon 22:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Maybe, but doesn't Aura absorption also mean that you take the life energy of the person you are using the power on? Peter didn't die when his power was taken, and it can be argued that Adam died because he couldn't regenerate any more. --OprahDust 22:13, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • For now, shouldn't it just be "Arthur's ability"?--Aburu 22:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Correct, for now it has to be Arthur's ability until we either are given a name or there's consensus on what it is. (Admin 22:22, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
    • I'd say it's closer to Aura Absorption than Empathic Mimicry, since Arthur STEALS the abilities instead of copies them... JackOfBloodyHearts 22:20, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I would say Ability Theft is the best term for the power since it doesn't limit the power to just empathy or auras.--Plot Device 22:57, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't it be added that he took Empathic mimicry? Peter couldn't copy powers his future self had, the only ability he was exposed to was his own, so to use lightning, wouldn't Arthur have absorbed empathic mimicry, with the abilities Peter had as a bonus? Intuitive Empath 12:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Peter's attempt to defend himself

I just changed the power that Peter was intending to use from Telekinesis to Lightning. Since that was the only power either of the Petrellis used actively in that scene (excepting, of course, Arthur's ability), it would seem the logical choice. Ricard Desi 22:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Didn't Peter technically use Telekinesis to open the door while invisible?

--Plot Device 22:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

While invisible why would Peter need to use telekinesis to open the door? It's not like he is intangible, he could just open it with his hand like everyone else. --Snow Leapord 23:23, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I don't think it matters honestly what power Peter attempted to use on Arthur. We can't be certain. All we know is Peter tried to use an ability against Arthur, and it failed, thus implying that Peter had lost his abilities.--IDannPK 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Telepathy?

I don't think we can necessarily say that Arthur demonstrated telepathy (which is currently only listed in the right hand sidebar thing for "Known abilities"). All we saw was him and Maury mentally "talking" to each other. As we saw with Angela when she mentally "talked" to Matt, it minimally only takes one telepath for "communication". -- prander 00:32, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I was confused at first, too. The telepathy is referring to when he used it on Adam Monroe. If you check the scene again you can see/hear it. (Admin 00:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
    • Really? I must've missed that, and I didn't record it or anything... -- prander 01:52, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I was about to say the same thing about Telepathy. I had thought that Adam Monroe simply knew of Arthur, and knew what he planned by bringing Adam there. Adam didn't near to hear Arthur's thoughts to know that Arthur wanted to take his power. Besides. Arthur's really going to say "Hello Adam. I have brought you here to take your power. Sorry."? What a strange thing to say. I think Adam probably knew what Arthur was capable of, and what it meant for him, and was thus terrified. Although, technically now it seems Arthur "has all of Peter's abilities", so technically he should probably have telepathy. But I don't think it's "confirmed yet". "Speculative", if anything.--IDannPK 11:53, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Did you replay the scene? Check out the audio and camera shots they used. (Admin 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
        • In the commentary for Dying of the Light, Chuck Kim spoke of the event as a "telepathic conversation"--Aburu 19:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Also of interest, looks like for dramatic reasons and ease of storytelling, Maury answered Arthur's initial questions out loud while looking kind of nervous. --Torley 08:42, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
        • It's been confirmed by the commentary the mind reading lens was used in the Arthur Adam scene in 3.6, and he was talking to Adam in his head. So, I think it's save to assume he put Angela in her coma.
  • In the new episode (Eris Quod Sum) Arthur said that Maury helped him a lot. For me this is proof, that he got Telepathy from Maury Parkman. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 05:55, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • By help he could mean Daphne and the recruiting of other evolved humans, Maury he wouldn't let him hurt Matt, he wouldn't say that if he had no means to pose a threat to Arthur. Intuitive Empath 11:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • if Arthur had gotten Telepathy from Maury, Maury wouldn't have it no more.--Elchafa 17:15, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I believe the assumption is that Arthur got telepathy from someone other than Maury. --Ted C 17:19, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • You seem to ignore the fact that Maury created the Linderman illusion for Daphne after we see Arthur use telepathy on Adam. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:17, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • And Maury had been using it with Nathan for some time. (I think it's correct to suppose Maury was using the Linderman trick on Nathan as well, right?)--Elchafa 17:30, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • So then that means Arthur would have to get the ability from someone else. Also i dont think Arthur as the ability to send illusions to people that far away from him i.e. Daphne in the airport. --Sylarversion2 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

How ironic..

...That Arthur's ability involves stealing the powers of others, and his two sons, who where born with abilities naturally, both have powers that involve absorbing the powers of others. Where as Nathan who had his powers artiffically induced, does not. :S --(. .') 12:11, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Deliciously ironic! I also wonder if Arthur deliberately chose to give Nathan flight, or if it was a random power they didn't have much control over. As in, "We can artificially give a human powers, but we don't know what it's going to be." (And if undesired, what's the means for trying again? To be revealed, I hope.) --Torley 08:48, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Could Peter mimic Arthur? Hierarchy of powers?

Things sure are getting interesting! In the earliest episodes of Heroes, every hero had a unique power, but with more of the comic books and continued development, we've seen that develop into several characters who can copy/absorb powers, as well as the whole scientific take of artificially adding powers to a human. We've also observed characters that have the same basic power but express it in different ways (Isaac's vs. Usutu's aesthetic style) or have different levels of adeptness (Matt vs. Maury Parkman).

So that leaves me wondering: since Peter has empathic mimicry, wouldn't standing near his Dad enable him get all his powers back? Of course, his Dad — with this meta-power — may have a way of blocking others from copying/taking his absorbed powers, not unlike how the Haitian negates powers, or how Maury can block lesser telepaths from getting into his mind.

I suspect things aren't going to get so complicated as to involve complex polygonal dice rolls, but the power structure is interesting to muse about nonetheless. Let me know your thoughts! --Torley 08:47, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Standing near Arthur would presumably allow Peter to mimic Arthur's ability, except that Empathic mimicry is almost certainly one of the abilities that Arthur took away from Peter (otherwise Peter would have immediately "re-mimicked" all of his other abilities from Arther, and his counter-attack would have worked). --Ted C 11:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Good thinking. Some of these arrangements really call for logic. I'm not calling for Heroes to turn into a Street Fighter-like game, but it'd be pretty cool to see more intense fights with rapid "blocks", "parries", and "counter-attacks". But hm, if Arthur has empathic mimicry now, then he's likely got Knox's, Flint's, Daphne's, etc. (unless he hugged them earlier, too ;) ) --Torley 12:22, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Some interesting thoughts here, what about this, could Arthur actually absorb powers that Peter never used before like Peter absorbed his father's ability and he also aborbed Mental Manipulation from The Haitian, Alchmeny from Bob and so on... maybe he still has those powers. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 11:02, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Since sylars power took more than genes to unlock (some logic insight), could it be that Peter subconsciently "unlocked" other peoples powers through empathy. In that case Arthur might simply lack the mental part of unlocking Peters power, although he would have it "on the paper". This theory is entirely based on the fact that arthur + empathic mimicry (or whatever you guys call it) would be too much to swallow. His power is mean as it is. Apart from that, the scene where Peter gains Sylars power supports my thoughts.

    • Guess he couldn't do it after all...

Telekinesis

How do we know he got telekinesis from Peter? He might have it before stealing powers from Peter. --Hellknight

First, SIGN your comments. Second, we know Peter had the ability, we know Arthur stole the ability from Peter, until proven otherwise to say Arthur got it from anyone but Peter would be speculation and speculation isn't allowed. --Snow Leapord 12:45, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • We don't have any clue about how he got that ability, if it is before or after stealing Peter's abilities. So i think it is more appropriate to say "Telekinesis from an unknown source". --Hellknight 12:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The first time Arthur demonstrated the use of Telekinesis was after stealing all of Peter's abilities. To say it is from an unknown source would be speculation when the evidence as it is now says he got it from Peter first, later if they prove it was from some other Evolved Human then we can change it. --Snow Leapord 09:41, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

The Hunger

  • I don't really agree with the decision they made on Arthur stealing Peter's ability. Think of this: Peter's ability is Empathic Mimicry, and ONLY that. the other powers (Sylar's power, invisibility, flight, etc.) he doesn't TECHNICALLY have them, so I think Arthur should not have been able to steal them. Now, since he actually CAN and DID steal those powers, why isn't Sylar's HUNGER manifesting on Arthur...?--Elchafa 17:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Every power has a physical component in the blood's chemistry. Peter's power is that his DNA is able to mimic the DNA of other evolved humans thus generating the same chemical component. His blood remembers how just like white blood cells remember viruses they encountered. This chemical component is what Arthur can remove. Therefore he can steal all mimiced powers as well. --Tordmor 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I guess for the same reason he was immediately able to control Maya's power after he took it. By pure force of will or because of his advanced age and experience with other people's powers. --Tordmor 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • that just doesn't seem right for me. i don't know...--Elchafa 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Absorbed power that's not listed

  • I believe Arthur has some sort of psychic strength, or does he break Maury's neck with maybe, Telekinesis?--Elchafa 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I thought it was obvious that was telekinesis. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:37, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • it wasn't for me. sorry if this was a stupid question to ask jaja--Elchafa 17:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Possible template

Since Arthur stole Peter's ability, that would include his main power, emphatic mimicry. While he was shown to absorb, or at least give preference to his own ability when it comes to getting a new one, if he does have Peter's core ability, we might need arthurmimicked and arthurexposed templates, in case he does end up using that ability, consciously or not. Does this make any sense? Intuitive Empath 17:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Instead of having an ArthurMimicked & ArthurStolen templates why not rework the ArthurStolen template to be one template for all powers Arthur has demonstrated the use of, what that would be called I don't know. A template for him being exposed to is not a bad idea. --Snow Leapord 09:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • While I agree a template for ArthurExposed is a good idea, at the moment there is nothing to add to it since gaining the ability of Empathic Mimicry every person Arthur has been near so far so has Peter, thus all their powers Peter would have had when he had all his stolen. Until he is near someone that Peter has never been near before or Sylar takes on a new ability that Peter hasn't mimicked or been exposed to there is nothing we could add that Arthur himself hasn't been exposed to, unless you want to add the powers that Peter were exposed to to that list. I hope that made sense. --Snow Leapord 12:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
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