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Re: My Theory

If Linderman can heal her, it's still possible the accomplice is Angela though now that seems much less likely...--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:47, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Ending

Boy, that was an unsatisfying ending. Has that woman never washed her own face? Golly. And maybe I'm the only one who watches the episodes, but that's not quite how (or when) Bennet and Claude meet. Sheesh. For a novel series with such a strong beginning, it sure stunk in the end. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:47, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

  • Yeah, what a letdown to not know anything more about the water vamp either. What was up with Haram after Claude hit her with the stick? Did he have some reversing power that turned her dehydrate back on herself? I didn't think the GN explained what happened with her dermise very well at all. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 08/14/2007 09:56 (EST)
    • He grabbed her hands and made them touch her face, so she basically dehydrated herself. There's nothing left of her but her hands. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
      • Anyone else think that this novel shows only what is in the report, and not what really happened? Claude seems to hint at that at the end, when he tells Haram 'I can fix all this in the report, fudge the facts a little.'. Also, when they can't get Haram on the phone cause he 'retired', I'm wondering exactly what they mean by that...--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:36, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
        • I assumed they meant dead, but it's just an assumption. I don't remember if they've recruited The Haitian at this point in which case they may have just erased his memory. Or perhaps they kidnapped him and put him on an island somewhere. (Admin 12:24, 14 August 2007 (EDT))
          • I don't know what to make of it, but the Haitian wasn't recruited by Thompson until around the time Mr. Bennet shot Claude on the bridge--so the memory erase option didn't exist yet. Heh, nice of you to reference the Prisoner. It could be an option, I guess, but it's less likely...--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:31, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Timeline inconsistency

According to Company Man, Claude and Noah meet in 1991 for the first time. According to Golden Handshake, Part 4, they already know each other in 1990, Claude is Noah's trainer, and they are made partners. However, episodes trump GNs, so we should not include that little coda of this story where it would contradict a canon source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

  • For all we know, the events in the Primatech in this GN took place in 1991. In Company Man, Thompson (1990) says that Claude 'will' be Bennet's partner, so it's reasonable to assume this part of the story happened after that when Bennet is supposed to be still a trainee. This could be Claude returning to Primatech a second time to deliver his final report (the first or a previous time he returned is when he met Bennet).--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:57, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
    • It was 1991 when Thompson said that Claude will be Noah's new partner. In this graphic novel, it Claude is shocked that Haram didn't take the six months to retire. Granted, it could have taken some time to file the report, but I don't think it took six months. Plus, it's typical to put the time change in the corner of a panel if a significant amount of time has passed. I think it's just a mistake. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:12, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
      • Imho, we can't "assume" an error without confirmation. So we have to go with the facts in evidence--that the mistake is either that the artist forgot to put in the time delay, or else thought the dialogue was clear enough to indicate it. Maybe the script coordinator or the artist can settle this debate for us? We really don't know how long it takes Claude to file reports (he's a busy guy)--it could be that three months have gone by and it is now 1991. --MiamiVolts (talk) 13:36, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Thompson's office...

...is not necessarily the same office in this graphic novel. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

  • Agreed, though the likelihood that it's one and the same is pretty high, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
    • About the same likeliness that there's a timeline discrepancy. <snigger, snigger> :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:08, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
    • You and your likelies, Miami!--Unfalln 17:25, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
      • Heh. That brings to mind this quote I like from George Bernard Shaw: "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
        • Ooh, fantastic quote, MV. I'll have to remember that one! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:38, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
        • Wait, I don't get it. By those who have not got accurate observation or have not got cynicism? :P --Unfalln 17:07, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
          • Eh, only Shaw could answer that for certain, but (if he were alive) he would probably reply that your question is entirely his point. j/k Based on grammar, he meant the former.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:30, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Using the Razor a note

  • The Notes section states In trying to get Haram not to retire immediately, Claude tells Haram he "can fix all this in the report, fudge the facts a little". Whether Claude actually did fudge the facts is uncertain, as is whether the novel accurately depicts the actual events or shows just what was written in the report.
    • CASE 1: the graphic novel depicts the actual events - therefore the graphic novel shows Claude telling Haram "we can fix this in the report..."
    • CASE 2: the graphic novel depicts what was written in Claude's report - The incriminating scene of Claude telling Haram "we can fix this..." would not show up in his own report.
  • I suggest we remove this entire note, it is clear that the graphic novel is not Claude's official report.-- AverageMan (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
    • Much like War Buddies shows some of what's in the Lonestar File and some of what's not, so too does Golden Handshake show some of what's in Claude's report and some of what's not. For precisely that reason, the note about the false report should stay, because we simply don't know what actually occurred, or which parts are false and which parts are true. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:48, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
      • Also, regarding Case 2, I got the impression Claude is the kind of person who would write that in the report to show he was being honest. And as Ryan pointed out, we really can't say either way for sure.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:59, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
        • I don't follow your logic, Miami. You think Claude would write that he plans to "fudge the facts" within the same report that he fudges the facts. So, he is honest about admitting that he lies? The honest-liar seems (at the least) very counter-productive and improbable. If he is going to lie, why be honest about lying? If he includes the "fudge the facts" then he has ruined the credibility of the entire report. I still think that the novel is CASE 1 - reflecting the actual events and that this note should be removed, but since no one else agrees, so I will not remove it. --AverageMan 10:35, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
          • I agree with you that it's more than likely the events of what happened. The report notes seem to be consistent with both the events portrayed in the novel. Since that's the case, I'd say that the part where Claude supposedly "fudges" the facts, those are clearly not visible in the provided excerpts shows in the GN. I agree that the GN portrays the events in reality. However, since we cannot clearly prove otherwise, I think the note should still stay. We're dealing with a "world" where people fly, so basic logic doesn't really apply sometimes. I'd wait for some clarity with a member of the Heroes staff to confirm it.--Bob 13:23, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
          • My thought is that by writing that he said he could "fudge the facts" in the report, he is trying to show that he was trying to convince Haram to stay on with him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:23, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
  • The real mystery is who killed Haram? Ir did he just retire. I bet he was killed.-- AverageMan (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
    • If the story really did play out as depicted, then I agree that Haram is probably dead. That's just a guess, though; and it's as valid a theory as the story depicting a false report.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:59, 16 August 2007 (EDT)