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Source/Explanation
The power of "empathy" is explicitly named such in From the Files of Primatech, Part 1.

Name

I received an email from a writer, but I can't say who the writer was. Sorry. But in the email, the writer said, "Lydia is an empath. She feels the emotions, thoughts, hopes, desires, and dream of others. Lydia expresses this in the tattoos she possesses." That's about the best I can say right now. Sorry, I suppose this one will require a bit of trust on the part of the community. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Where was her ability described as "empathy"? I can't remember the source... I mean it could be something like "tattoo empathy". Lol. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • She was described as an "empath" to me in an email. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
      • They shouldve named it clairvoyance, thats what it sounds like to me. daevon 14:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Clairvoyance is the ability to find someone where-ever they are. Empathy means she feels the emotions, thoughts, hopes, desires, and dream of others. That makes it very different from Clairvoyance --Leckie -- Talk 12:12, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
          • Empathy doesn't explain how she knew people's names, and their location in time and space. Also, we more-or-less have two powers with the same name now. I think I'd prefer "Lydia's ability". - Hive 16:05, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
            • If they feel thoughts, she could get that info. And she didn't know Hiro went back, she just said that Hiro had been to the Carnival before, and "felt" when. She didn't go "His name is Hiro Nakamura and he's in the Carnival fourteen years ago". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:18, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
              • It could be an advanced form of clairvoyance, we all know how powers evolve in heroes. daevon 20:12, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

like a crossover

this ability is rather like clairvoyance and clairesentience combined, isn't it. What we now need to understand is whether the ink in neccesary or if that's just for samuel's benefit of being able to see the person. --mc_hammark 18:31, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

    • I totally 100% agree with you, and i think her body's like the crystal ball (In the gn) and she sees the images like she does in the ball, but instead on her body. get it? daevon 20:20, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

As seen in Acceptance...

Lydia can control ink and form tattoos without Samuel. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Not really, in the webisode, she tells Edgar that her tattoos don't move on her own, but the one of her daugther did. By saying "I show you what you need to see", I think that's she's referring to what her ability does, which is expressed through the tattoos. She has no control over what it shows, she can simply turn it on and off. That's how it happens as far as I was able to understand. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 7 October

2009 (EDT)

The Painted Lady

In the Graphic Novel:The Painted Lady lydia describes her ability as being able to see others' wants and desires, maybe thats how she sees the tattoos on her body, because samuel wants to know who these people are that he keeps learning about. daevon 07:19, 10 November 2009 (EST)

the ink

If lydia needs a physical link to a person, maybe the ink (which has minerals from the ground in it) works because everyone has touched the ground? --mc_hammark 12:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Empathic mimicry

It seems to me that this ability could be a weak form of empathic mimicry. She apparently uses Samuel's power to display ink images, and Hiro's power to teleport to the past. - Hive 23:56, 24 November 2009 (EST)

  • She didn't use Hiro's power, Hiro's power almost has a mind on its own lately. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:53, 25 November 2009 (EST)
  • She could have simply manipulated him to time travel, it doesn't mean she used it herself.--PJDEP 22:13, 6 December 2009 (EST)

Peter could gain empathic mimicry by replicating empathy, empathic mimicry and ability replication allow him copy people abilities but being at different ends of the scales, ability replication could work together with empathy. --50000JH 18:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

To know and feel beyond

Just plain empathy describes only half of her ability at work, which also doesn't explain much of how she's able to know and feel for people without any interaction necessary. Her ability needs a name change to Empathic Cognition. - Mphyire 1:37, 29 November 2009 (EST)

  • I'm pretty sure, its not listed at the top, but a name from the shows writers takes precedence over everything else, and in this case we have one.--Fr0z3nB0nes 15:01, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Contact

At the beginning of Close to You, where Lydia says "Maybe I will call him", it appears as if she was successful, based on the fact that Peter woke up with his eyes white (and flight doesn't allow that) and his compass tattoo active. Only reason I didn't add it is because I feel like it may be speculative, what does everyone else think? (Please don't say he's getting his empathic mimicry back....)--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:22, 11 January 2010 (EST)

  • i think if he does get his older power back he can solve the whole Samuel/Sylar problem --Skyeatsout 23:02, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Ink

In whatever episode it was where Lydia shows Claire her desires when she is observing the carnival, how did Lydia add her own tattoo to show Claire. I thought Samuel had to apply the ink.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:12, 22 January 2010 (EST)

  • I was just thinking the exact same thing.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:13, 22 January 2010 (EST)
    • Perhaps she can manipulate her already existing tattoos? Although, if that were true Samuel wouldn't have to add any ink..... confusing.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:33, 22 January 2010 (EST)
      • Unless the ink only stays in her body for a certain period, such as one day, in which case Samuel could put ink in her before the night begins, then it'll last for the rest of the night. --mc_hammark 15:41, 22 January 2010 (EST)

Dawn Olivieri explains how Lydia put the compass tattoo back on Peter's arm

Think of her power like a computer. She was able to download information from others as well as send out data... in this case she was able to take it one step further having it manifest on the skin as a tattoo. Lydia's death came too soon, we were all just beginning to see what she was really capable of. I think there was more to her power that she kept a secret from Samuel so he would not take advantage of it... (source) Green.gif AltesUTC CH 05:06, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • The link just takes me to my Facebook page.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 23:55, 23 February 2010 (EST)
    • Maybe the post is only available to Dawn's fans, are you one? Green.gif AltesUTC CH 11:52, 21 March 2010 (EDT)