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First name

Is it spelled Ishi? When Matt says it in Episode 120, it sounded more like "Ichi" to me. --Mercury McKinnon 20:22, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I think Ishi is usually pronounced as "Ichi" in Japanese.--Ice Vision 20:45, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • OK. But how do we know that it's spelled Ishi and not Ichi? I don't know Japanese, but have seen the spelling "Ichi" as a component of names and have heard it pronounced with a "tch" sound (as Matt said it), rather than a "sh" sound (as in Hiroshima). --Mercury McKinnon 21:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
      • We don't. We're taking a guess. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:36, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Not that it matters or is in any way relevant, but Googlefight votes for "Ichi". :)--Hardvice (talk) 22:27, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Hi. That's the point. If we're not certain of the accuracy of the information then we should make that clear in the article, right. I lean towards "Ichi" too (not that it matters in determining if that's the right spelling, yes). --Mercury McKinnon 00:42, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Hey guys. I checked the closed captioning on my second viewing (Canadian here, watched 5YG at 8 on Global and watched again on NBC at 9), and that's where it says Ishi. I put the "create page" link in the episode's talk page, and double checked the spelling to make sure I was right. CC supports Ishi, hope this helps. --Aero Zeppelin 02:22, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
            • That does help and is a point for Ishi. (I just don't know how official/canonical it is. Has anyone seen how CC spells Hana Gitelman? ;) ) Thanks. --Mercury McKinnon 05:14, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
              • Actually, the closed captioning spells it "Gitelman". So far, it's only been said once on-screen (in the scene with Ted at the beginning of Unexpected.) That's part of the reason we've decided to consider the frequent misspellings (Gittelman, Gittleman) in the GNs as misspellings (the other factors being that "Gitelman" matches the spelling used throughout the Heroes 360 content, and that the bulk of the Gittelmans and Gittlemans appear in the intro text, which is routinely full of other misspellings, strange punctuation, and other less-than-stellar writing.)--Hardvice (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
                • Thanks for answering the question. So it seems the CC can be relied on for spelling issues then. --Mercury McKinnon 21:39, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
                  • To an extent--closed captioning is not canon, but it certainly helps if no other canon source has the answer. For example, if we don't know the spelling of Hiro's mom's name, CC is the place to turn since it would be the only spelling given so far. But if CC spells the painter's name "Issac" for some strange reason, we'd still go with "Isaac" because that's how it's appeared on screen. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:31, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Move

Hi. Having the article entitled Ishi Nakamura advances that spelling (misspelling?) of the character's name, which is unsupported and, hence, premature at this point. So I thought it'd be better to give the article a neutral, more accurate title in the meantime. I was considering moving the article to either Mrs. Nakamura or Hiro's mother. Though the latter is more specific (there's only one Hiro's mom; there may be more than one Mrs. N), I settled on the former to follow the example of Mr. Petrelli and Mr. Ellis. --Mercury McKinnon 23:21, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

  • It seems like a silly move to me since we know her first name, just not how to spell it. Why don't we wait like two more days and see how it's spelled in the transcript? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:46, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Ishi is a feminine Japanese name meaning stone. I don't think "Ichi" even exists... Also, remember that Matt isn't Japanese. So, his pronunciation may be flawed.--Ice Vision 23:55, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Who's to say Mrs. Nakamura's name is a traditional/typical Japanese name? Just being devil's advocate. --Mercury McKinnon 00:24, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Spelling is an aspect of information that needs to be accurate as any other, and all the more so when it's a person's name. 2 days would be long to keep up inaccurate information. --Mercury McKinnon 00:24, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
  • From the limited research I've been able to do so far, while "Ichi" appears quite frequently as a syllable in Japanese names (particularly male names), I've yet to find an instance of it being used independently as a name, whereas "Ishi", meaning "Stone", seems to be a fairly common Japanese name for girls (and less commonly for boys). Until we saw the name typed on-screen, this is as much evidence as we had for the spelling of "Shanti" (as opposed to "Chanti", which was usually a masculine name). Similarly, there are contradictory spellings of "Gitelman", but we're not going to move her article to "Hana G." because of them. There are times when we just have to take a stab at our best informed guess, and article titles are one of them. Unnamed characters have to have a description, and named characters have to have a spelling. We're occasionally going to be wrong, but since articles need titles, we don't have the luxury of waiting for confirmation. That said, "Mrs. Nakamura" isn't the same sort of move as "Hana G." would be. I don't think it's a bad move, but I also don't think, given the reasonable risks we take with other article titles, that it's really a necessary move--particularly when we have so far seen exactly one person holding out for "Ichi".--Hardvice (talk) 12:42, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I say we just move it to Ishi. Canonical or not, the CC is the only spelling we have. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:57, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Wait ... the closed captioning said "Ishi"? Why are we even talking about this? Move it back.--Hardvice (talk) 14:11, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Ishi should be correct. "Ichi" refers to the number 1. "The character 一 when used as a male given name may be used as the written form for "Hajime," "Ichi," "Kazu," "Hitoshi," and many others."[1] I suppose it is possible for a female to be named Ichi, except.. though I can't really describe why, just that from my own moderate exposure to Japanese culture and names, it just seems like it would be highly unlikely? --Glue 18:19, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
    • If it wasn't clear: I wasn't holding out for "Ichi"; I was holding out for a source as to the spelling of the name either way since the one mention/pronunciation by Matt lends to uncertainty. I was applying the fundamental that accuracy must not be sacrificed in the haste to create articles, that guesses/approximations must be well-supported or else the claim should not be advanced over a more neutral presentation. (In Admin's words - "People look to this wiki for accurate information and if we sacrifice that accuracy just to push out new articles then we're going to be doing everyone a disservice.") Admin reiterated this principle with regards to spelling below (under AFD), and I moved the article after that. Only subsequently was the CC info presented. Yes, the Hana Gitelman analogy is inapplicable; with that it's a contradiction between sources and merely selecting which one is most supported, whereas in this case there was hitherto no source to give preference to "Ishi". --Mercury McKinnon 21:31, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Actually, I wasn't being clear. What I meant is that you were the only one who seemed to think "Ichi" was even slightly plausible.--Hardvice (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
        • I thought you were very clear, but whatever.... As a matter of closure, kilohoku also says it's "Ishi". — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:14, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

AFD

I don't see why we should delete this page. This good enough and pretty usefull as far as it's Hiro's-related and that Hiro is a main char. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        10:41, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

  • We have a total of two lines in the character history. If we can only say that much about her,there's not much of a point in even having an article. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) Random Page! 10:47, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I don't really mind having sparse articles. My biggest concern is that somebody is going to click on a link about her and expect all this information (or at least more than is presently here). It's quite disappointing. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:11, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
    • The writers have mentioned (I think in a CBR) that we might be seeing Mrs. Nakamura at some point. IIRC, it was a fairly non-committal "who knows?" kind of reply, but still. I'd say the distinction between this and, say, Roxanne Castillo is pretty vast. One gave birth to two important characters and was married to a third; the other is an unspoken byline on an article that takes up about twenty seconds of airtime and is unlikely to be seen or heard from again.--Hardvice (talk) 12:30, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
    • It might be better if someone can link to or describe the source for the producers' statement that "we'll see more of Mrs. Nakamura." Regardless, with the Second season supposedly focusing on the Heroes' families, it's almost a given that she'll be seen or mentioned again.--Tim Thomason 18:36, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
      • That's assuming that they'll do that. No guarantees on what they're actually do. Personally, this article's pretty pointless until something else comes about in an episode or a GN, but as Hardvice stated, it's relevant in a sense. So I'm for keeping it.--Bob 18:39, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
  • If it's likely we'll learn more about a character it helps our search engine rankings to have info on the character before other sites. We should keep it, but we should also try to make sure we've got it spelled correctly. (Admin 20:04, 6 May 2007 (EDT))
    • Absolutely agreed that it should be kept, but without compromising the accuracy of the name's spelling (and other info presented). --Mercury McKinnon 21:51, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Evolved Human

Guys apparently she is an evolved human acording to wikipedia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Heroes#Main_characters.--Manwithnoname 18:38, 20 November 2008 (EST)

And so far, that's a spoiler, we don't put spoilers out of spoiler pages. Intuitive Empath 08:29, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Nor do we use Wikipedia as a source for information about Heroes characters. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:44, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Yes but It came from a Behind the eclipse Q&A with Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski. Also it was not one of their sarcastic jibes. It seemed genuine.
She's an evolved human alright. She appears to have the ability to heal others like Linderman.--The Empath 22:17, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Healing kiss

Since both times she healed something she kissed it, is it possible that her kisses heal or does she just like kissing things? Bloodbath 22:49, 8 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think that's simply how she just chose to manifest her power on at least those two occasions. Doesn't mean that she can't do it any other way, but she probably did it the first time like that so Past Hiro would have no idea of what she did, while the second time maybe she just felt the need to give her son a kiss (mother's have a tendancy to want to do that A LOT) and just used it to also heal him. --WarGrowlmon18 23:04, 8 December 2008
  • I view it as more of her shtick, like when Trevor would make his little finger gun, or Sylar and his pointing of the finger for TK. And it was so pure, so symbolic. My $0.02.--Crazylicious 23:05, 8 December 2008 (EST)
    • I think it's safe to say her power is healing, and when we've seen her manifest it, she's done it with a kiss. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2008 (EST)
      • Hiro does refer to Ishi as a "healer".--Ikkian 23:54, 8 December 2008 (EST)
  • I think she can heal others with out kissing them, she's a mother and every mother says that sickness and injuries can be healed by a "mother" kiss at least that is what my mother used to say and besides she touches it/him when she heals them. --Darkfiremaster13 22:20, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Future Peter

  • When Future Peter kissed Nathan in a prior episode, Nathan was suddenly healed. Is this proof enough that 'Future Peter' had 'healing' as an ability?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Good catch! I want to say yes, but my reasoning says to hold off for a bit. Dracomaster4 00:12, 9 December 2008 (EST)
      • I do believe so. Nathan's survival has never been explained but I always suspected Peter did it with Linderman's healing ability. As shown in Villians he encountered Linderman at least once and given how close it was to the accident and the fact that he had been manifesting Angela's power around then I figure he absorbed it then, but never accessed it, perhaps not knowing what it was and activated it during that situation.--WarGrowlmon18 09:44, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Great, more inconsistencies

She supposedly died in 1990, but now she died in 1992. How should we note this? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:52, 8 December 2008 (EST)

  • Hmm, 2007-16 = 1991, not 1992???--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Maybe Hiro changed history somehow? --Ice Vision (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • I keep reading everywhere that they traveled back to 1992. I don't know what's what anymore... >_< But it's still not 1990... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 00:05, 9 December 2008 (EST)
      • Yes, even Timeline:Pre-eclipse states that they traveled back to 1992... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 00:06, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • See Help:Sources#Contradictions between sources. When two canon sources contradict one another, the information should be removed from the body of the article and infobox, and should be confined to the Notes section. See Hiro Nakamura#Notes or Claire Bennet#Notes to see how we've treated their ages, for example. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:08, 9 December 2008 (EST)

In the first season it was made pretty clear that this incident occurred in 1992. Perhaps "16 years ago" was them referring to the date of the viewers, 2008? --Ricard Desi 11:30, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Not so sure

  • She seems not so sure that her ability is actually working because everytime she uses healing, she asks "Did it work?"...--NiveKJ13 09:14, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • I don't think that's it: the first time I think she just did that because Hiro's past self had no idea what she did and the second time she wasn't even sure it would work--WarGrowlmon18 09:42, 9 December 2008 (EST)
      • Oh yeah...I thought she said it in when she healed the dove XD --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 17:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)

RIP Ishi Nakamura

  • Do we know of what she died of? I'm making this quiz on Volume Three and I don't want to get it wrong.--Isaac Mendez 19:39, 8 March 2009 (EDT)