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Flight?

He doesn't actually have flight. He used telepathy to make Daphne think everything was okay (and that he could fly). It was essentialy the opposite of when his dad made people live their nightmares (=the best dream EVER) --Peter 22:09, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

First with more than one ability?

Aren't you forgetting about Edward & Santiago they both had multiple abilities? He wasn't the first, he's the third. --Snow Leapord 11:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Edward and Santiago have been confirmed to have one ability, though Edward developed it. --Altes 12:51, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Maybe one ability after all?

Maybe precognition isn't a new ability, but still an aspect of telepathy? Edward and Ando learned to use their abilities to blast others with a lightning, but neither of them possesses electric manipulation. What do you think?

  • That's what I've been trying to change his ability section to. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:59, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
    • What does being able to interpret, control, manipulate, and implant memories and actions have to do with predicting the future? Unless you're suggesting that Matt Parkman is reading the mind of an omniscient entity, which I don't believe there is one of in the Heroes universe.
      • It's already been explained by BTE and mentioned in lots of places in this wiki: with his telepathy, Matt can access the same realm of consciousness as precogs do when they paint/dream. He's not reading someone's mind. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:32, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
        • Well then he would still have two abilities. It shouldn't matter that he uses his native ability to access precognition as opposed to naturally having it, the powers are still seperate and distinct in their descriptions, effects, and scope. Barbedknives 18:35, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
          • If that was so, we would also need to list him as having illusion/invisibility and persuasion, cause he can use telepathy to achieve the same effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
            • That's an excellent point, but you could point to a variety of other established abilities, such as electronic communication and technopathy, radiation emission and microwave emission, super-charged super speed and time travel, etc. I think as a compromise the article could list has his power: Telepathy with a Known Uses section listing mind reading, mental illusions, mental pursuasion, precognition via spirit walk, etc. Similar to how Sylar's page lists his absorbed powers. Probably not the best idea, but it works. Matt's power is pretty broad when you think about it, at least compared to many others.
              • The optimal situation for me is list him as having just telepathy and chalk the other effects as ability homology. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:54, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
                • Makes sense. After all, he can make illusions, use persuasion, and manipulate dreams, but he doesn't have any of those abilities. --Gibbeynator 16:03, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
                  • We need to remove Peter and Sylar's list of acquired abilities. They are just byproducts of their main powers. Barbedknives (talk)16:22, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
                    • Not really, from the moment they get another ability, it's not something that is inherent of their base abilities, so it makes sense to list them. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:20, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
                      • I still think Precognition should be listed. Unlike Matt using Telepathy to make illusions or manipulate dreams, which is all explained because he can control "others minds", seeing the future is completely different. There is no evidence that Telepathy is connected. What has been said is Matt has learnt to connect to the same part of the mind that enables "Precognition". --Powermimic 03:05, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
                        • This is basically my argument. I think it's pretty clear that controlling mental functions and forseeing future events are different and distinctive. Parkman used his telepathy to access precognition but that does not make it the same power. Just like with Sylar/Peter and their abilities.--Barbedknives (talk)03:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
                          • It's still telepathy, cause he's changing something about his own mind, in a way that people aren't normally able to do without telepathy. The precognition should be left in the abilities section as a subheading, but he really shouldn't be listed as having two abilities in the infobox. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:54, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
                            • BTE has confirmed that nobody but Matt would manifest precognition after eating Usutu's paste and having a spirit walk. And that's because his ability of telepathy (controling minds) has been expanded. Who knows, maybe Matt now can control his own mind, allowing himself to enter precognitive state. --Altes 03:56, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
                              • That's what I've been trying to say, Matt is using telepathy to change his own mind, allowing himself to have precognition, even though he doesn't have it in his genes. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:22, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
                                • So, if we're in agreement that this is just another form of telepathy, then why are his known powers Telepathy and Precognition?
                                  • Cause when he first got it without the paste, people just rushed and listed it, without waiting for an explanation, I remember seeing someone list flight as one of Matt's powers when Cold Snap aired, but as it turned out, Matt and Daphne were in an illusion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:04, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
  • BTE has confirmed that Charles's ability was telepathy after all and that he sent a vision into the future for Peter to experience in How to Stop an Exploding Man. They said that the one who masters telepathy completely can leave their mind in this world. Matt's innate ability is telepathy too, and his precognition is nothing but an extension of it, though we don't know if Charles ever painted the future himself. However, he has used it in a different way than just controling brain functions. So I think it's fair to list Matt having one power: telepathy. --Altes 06:18, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • That's cool. he'll soon be able to do astral projection stuff! :O cool. --Different-person 07:32, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
      • They didn't say it, they hinted it. No need to jump at something like this. Plus, they've mentioned in the past that Peter used his mother's ability to get that vision, unless he dreamed of the past and Charles picked it up with his ability, I'll take this with a grain of salt. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:27, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Arthur did appear in Angela's dream of dead Tracy, Nathan and Peter, didn't he? The same could happen with Peter: he had a dream, Charles or his mind got into it and spoke to Peter. -- Altes 14:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
          • Arthur was alive when this happened, and could possibly sense things related to him, such as Maury detecting that Molly was trying to find him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

First Appearance

Should Matt Parkman's First Appearance in the Infobox, be changed from 'Don't Look Back' to 'Unaired Pilot'? The Unaired Pilot first appeared on DVD after the entire first season had been aired, so it could be considered the last episode of season 1 but it was the first episode to be produced. Observatorr 05:28, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No, as no other characters have thier first appearance listed as the unaired pilot, Matt shouldn't either, but good catch all the same IronyUTC CH 05:31, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Formal name

Can anyone explain to me why on earth is his formal name Matthew Parkman? I mean, his full name is Matthew Parkman, but people just call him Matt. --JLYK 15:41, 29 April 2009 (EST)

  • Anyone can call Peter Pete or Nathan Nate, but their formal (i.e. full) names are Peter Petrelli and Nathan Petrelli, respectively. The same applies to Matt. -- Altes 13:16, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Oh sorry, I totally messed up and thought it was his "old" (formal) name. -- JLYK 13:22, 1 May 2009 (EST)

The Haitian

Wait so now Matt has the Haitians powers too? i mean that is basically what he did to sylar isn't it? Crazytom112 15:03, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Telepathy is pretty much the most powerful ability in the Heroes universe, up there with space-time manipulation, intuitive aptitude, empathetic mimicry, and power absorption. Charles Deveux was said to have mastered it, and was able to transmit thoughts through time and even after death. Also, Matt has been shown to use his ability to replicate illusion, persuasion and precognition.

So it's not unreasonable he would be able to develop mental manipulation. -Barbedknives (talk)15:06, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Exactly. He has already manipulated others before hand by placing thoughts into their own heads. I would say thanks to his ability he has been able to astro project (aka the spirit walk) to the future in that one episode of Villains. I would even say the same for hero which would make sense seeing he has the ability to bend space and time back then. --OutbackZack 16:03, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Why are we listing Matt as a precog?

    • I've looked on the Matt/ability extension/telepathy/precognition discussion pages, and I might've missed it, but I don't see anything resembling a consensus that Matt has precognition (as opposed to this being a function of his telepathy), nor do I see any cited evidence that it is a separate power. If anything, more of the arguments seem to support the idea that it is an extension of telepathy. Was this discussion somewhere else? I certainly don't think we should just give him a second ability when his initial ability can explain what's going on... --Stevehim 19:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • The main thing is that precognition has been shown before, and it doesn't logically follow that someone with telepathy would develop it in the same way it was used by Issac. Also there is no evidence that Matt would have developed that ability had it not been for Utsusu's intervention.
This is why it is different than illusion and persuasion, in my opinion. -Barbedknives (talk)20:00, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I understand the arguments for and against, but I don't inow why it would be added with so little discussion and so much dissention (and especially considering how long ago it occurred without being added as a separate ability). --Stevehim 20:05, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
        • No one knew how he acquired it, I think that's why it was listed as a different power, but since BTE said it was telepathy reaching on a new level of consciousness, I've supported removing the status of separate ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:14, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I'm with you on that. I've asked Ryan to weigh in on this, and hopefully we change it back, as there doesn't seem to be enough evidence (to me anyway) for it to have been assumed in the first place. --Stevehim 20:35, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Ryan said it's fine to remove it, and that t should only be (have been) added after a consensus was reached. I've fixed Matt's page, the ability page and the precognition page, but the individual episode pages might still need adjusting (and someone should check the pages I did to make sure I haven't missed anything). I'll try to start looking at the episode pages later. --Stevehim 21:15, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
              • There was a discussion of it before, I do not know if a consensus was reached. It may be that he can only access the future plane when Utsusu requires it, which would mean he does not have that power himself. And since we haven't seen him demonstrate it since, that notion is acceptable.
However with Utsusu dead it still begs the question, how is Matt still able to predict future events after his source died if it is not his own ability? I still stand by the idea that precognition is not a natural byproduct of telepathy like illusion and persuasion are. -Barbedknives (talk)21:24, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • That's understandable, and it may even get changed back to a second power, if everyone can be convinced. I would suggest starting a discussion on this topic again, even on this page, to see what everyone thinks. My only point was that a consensus hadn't been reached, so we shouldn't have changed it without coming to one. As for how he attains it with Usutu dead...that depends on how it works. Charles was able to do something similar without a known source to draw on so it is entirely possible that precognition is similar to persuasion/illusion in being a function of telepathy (eg - "Whatever the mind controls, you control). --Stevehim 21:32, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
    • BTE answered this as well, they said that Matt's experience with the paste helped him broaden his mind, or something for that effect, which coupled with his telepathy, as BTE said "the ability to enter in the mind", resulted in precognition, but in its core, it's still telepathy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:34, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Precognition -- An outline

Alright, this is a basic outline for the arguments concerning precognition being listed as an ability Matt Parkman acquired rather than an extension to telepathy.
Facts:

  1. An ability exists that allows for future events to be semi-accurately painted. Precognition
  2. Matt Parkman was shown in various scenes doing something similar to precognition.
  3. BTE said that Matt's precognition was due to his access to the astral plane in which precognition transmits temporal information via his telepathy.

Arguments:

  1. Telepathy alone cannot account for aspects of precognition as a natural development of the ability.
    • Other abilities, such as illusion and persuasion were developed by users of telepathy without aide from outside sources. (Maury Parkman and Charles Deveaux) Other telepaths were shown at the time to have much more development in their ability, and could not predict the future, and not through painting. However, Matt only manifested this ability after a spirit walk with Utsustu.
  2. Users of telepathy were not shown to seek council of users of illusion or persuasion before displaying these aspects of their ability. (Candice Willmer and Eden McCain)
  3. Matt Parkman would not have developed precognition from telepathy normally.
  • As outlined above, no other telepath displayed such ability, and Parkman himself only displayed it after meeting with a precog and engaging in a spirit walk.

Therefore:

  • Precognition is a seperate ability to telepathy that Matt Parkman acquired from his native ability and his interactions with a true precog. --Barbedknives 01:56, 1 May 2009
    • A few counterarguments:

1. "# Telepathy alone cannot account for aspects of precognition as a natural development of the ability." This seems contradictory to: "# BTE said that Matt's precognition was due to his access to the astral plane in which precognition transmits temporal information via his telepathy," which seems to statre that precognition was indeed due to telepathy, more specifgically to telepathy allowing Matt to asccess the astral plane (I'm only going by the quote provided above...I haven't read the actual BTE interview yet).
2. How do we know that Matt would not have developed precognition on his own?
3. What about Charles's communication with Peter in the greenhouse atop his building? Wasn't that done "outside of the constraints of time?" --Stevehim 22:13, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

      • Great points! Note that I don't believe either way, I'm just outlining the argument for including new powers instead of just one. A similar counter example would be when Peter acquired intuitive aptitude, but could not access it due to its complexity before consulting Future Gabriel Gray. Now, for some minor points:
  1. The first argument assumes that second party interaction (Utsusu, paste, walkman) does not take place when developing an ability
  2. We do not know for sure, but before the BTE response the traditional definition of telepathy did not include predicting the future, but did include things like illusion, persuasion, and mental manipulation (as seen on the show) It was only the mention of the 'astral plane' that made this idea plausible in the context of telepathy and mental interaction.
  3. Charles was not shown to paint like Issac, nor extract information from the future, only transmit it. (He was shown using his ability to induce persuasion though)
  • What BTE specifically said is that due to his development of telepathy and the experience with the spirit walk inducing paste, Matt is now able to see the future. Forgive me if this is flawed but here's an analogy: Telepathy is Mozilla Firefox, it has a determined number of features. Both Matt and Maury use Firefox, however, Matt stumbled upon an addon (Usutu's paste), and decided to install it, and now has another feature (can paint the future), a feature that belongs to another browser (let's say... Opera), which here translates to another ability (precognition). Does this mean that Matt has both Firefox and Opera? I wouldn't say so, Matt only has Firefox (Telepathy), but he has an addon which allows him to use a feature (paint the future) from Opera. He doesn't have Opera (precognition). Thoughts (no pun intended)? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:28, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
    • That is an excellent analogy, and I'm one step away from fully accepting it. The thing I can't get over is just a seemingly apparent inconsistency. What this boils down to is, "Ability A allows access to ability(s) B and/or C, therefore user has ability A." Using this logic, any ability that is used to access or acquire another would be considered one ability, even if the acquired abilities are different in nature from the original. So for instance, Sylar and Arthur would only have intuitive aptitude and power absorption respectively, since that ability allowed access to the others.

Here's an analogy similar to yours: Let's say telepathy is an operating system, let's say Windows. Now lets say another person has a different ability, and we will call that ability Linux. Now, person A wants to run a Linux program (precognition.bin), but cannot. So person A uses his emulation software (telepathy) to run an isolated copy of Linux in his memory. He then proceeds to run the program (precognition.bin). Now, was person A only using one operating system? You could say so, but technically since the second operating system is different than the first and has different effects, and person A still had to access Linux in some way, you could say he is using two operating systems. Make any sense? --Barbedknives (talk)17:47, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

      • In Sylar's case, he changes himself to allow himself to use the ability, like installing a new program. In Arthur's case, I'd say he's a hacker who copies the information and makes it unreadable unless you have a deleted file recovery program (catalyzed formula or Matt Jr's ability, both not working perfectly as what you get is less than what you had), making it seem as if the data is gone. In your emulator analogy (I'm not very knowledgeable in emulation, so bear with me), it's not very clear cause you call telepathy both an operating system and an emulation software, but if what I get is right, the software from windows running in Linux wouldn't be the same as running it in a virtual machine? Cause then it'd still be Linux, running Windows as if a software, and inside that running the Windows program. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:59, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
        • It is extremely confusing, and analogies just don't do it justice. I understand were you're coming from, and I do not oppose listing any one ability. For the sake of simplicity we should just list telepathy. In any case, I don't think Matt will be using it again, so I would say it doesn't matter either way. --Barbedknives (talk)18:11, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
          • The one thing that confused me in your analogy was the fact you mentioned telepathy both as an OS and as a software, and the lack of Usutu's paste in the middle. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:14, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
            • I guess it's just personal opinion and speculation, but I don't believe that precognition is within the grasp of normal telepathy, even if telepathy was used to access it. In literally every piece of fiction I can think of, telepathy was never used to predict the future, only control present events. Precognition was always a completely seperate deal. --Barbedknives (talk)18:22, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
              • Well, I'm not sure how canon this is, but in the X-Men cartoon, the one from the 90's, there was a plot in which Apocaypse was kidnaping telepaths so he could use their power in a place called Axis of Time, or something like that, cause time was a perception of the mind, all I remember 100% sure of it is that there, telepathy was stronger and was able to look into possible timelines, which is why Apocalypse wanted telepaths in the first place, to make one experiment and look at the long term results by peeking in the timelines his actions created. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:35, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • My thoughts are that, in your analogy, Internet Explorer would be akin to hair manipulation...almost entirely useless. ;) --Stevehim 17:08, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Also, ask this question...If Sylar were to lose intuitive aptitude (and only that), or if Arthur were to lose power absorption (and only that), would they have any abilities left? According to what we know, they almost certainly would, as retaining their abilities are not (afawk) dependent upon their initial respective powers. What was dependent on the initial powers was gaining the abilities in the first place. Now, if Matt lost telepathy (and only telepathy), would he still be able to paint the future? From what we know, he would not. According to the BTE excerpt above, telepathy was a necessary component of Matt's precognitive ability. --Stevehim 18:19, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
    • That's a tricky question... I don't think we can say either way, other than the Shanti virus associated with empathically and non-empathically acquired abilities, there's no known way to selectively remove abilities. In Matt's case, I think he'd lose the ability, cause as we know, as BTE said, he uses telepathy to reach the consciousness state, he doesn't use precognition to do that. Using my browser analogy, it'd like removing Firefox, you can't use a Firefox addon, without Firefox. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:29, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
      • No known way, but it's not hard to imagine (eg - An abiity similar to ability replication (assuming that it only allows one power to be taken at a time), but it removes the power rather than replicating it). In any case, we know that Sylar's DNA is altered each time he takes an ability (the same with Peter when he had empathic mimicry), so removing select powers shouldn't affect the others (unless the DNA rewrites are temporary and associated with the base power). The Shanti virus thing isn't clear because all we have is a cryptic BTE comment about how he kept the empathically acquired ability, but not what that actually means (the entire Sylar-empathy thing is pretty much still unexplained, as far as I can tell). You are right that we can't say for certain what would happen to his other powers if Sylar lost IA, we have no evidence to say that his acquired powers, once acquired, are connected in any way to his base power. Whereas we have (from BTE) a clear idea that Matt's precognition is connected to his telepathy. --Stevehim 19:09, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
        • It's still possible the hypothetical ability would take them all, like the Shanti virus, but not discerning between how abilities were acquired. I think it would be either an all-or-nothing case or a conscious decision of the person who would have the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:36, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
          • Why would it have to be an all or nothing? If the person taking the power had the limitation of only taking one at a time, they really wouldn't have the option, and the person losing the power should still retain what was not taken. We've already seen many instances of powers being semi-limited, both actually and situationally. In season 1, Peter first could not access his powers because he didn't understand how to, and then couldn't access many of them because he was too overwhelmed by acquiring too many too fast. More recently, both Mohinder and Hiro have lost aspects of their powers, while still retaining parts of the abilities, so it doesn't seem that far a stretch (to me) to apply this to those with multiple abilities. --Stevehim 11:20, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
            • If the ability is take away powers one by one, I don't think there'd be a difference when taking natural or synthetic or acquired abilities, just not sure if taking a core ability that would take abilities acquired by that ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:26, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
                • I agree there would likely be no difference whether the powers were synthetic or natural (unless the writers wanted there to be one, anyway ;)). My contention is that taking a core power does not mean that all of the other powers automatically disappear. We don't have solid evidence one way or the other (though we have a few quotes that could lean one toward the acquired powers remaining). --Stevehim 14:45, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
                  • Which quote is that? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:15, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
                    • I was referring to the fact that gaining new powers results in DNA resequencing, but upon further reflection I suppose that isn't all that telling one way or another, since the powers could all still be connected to the original, base power. However, Hank's comment to HRG about the fact they could only locate codon switches for two powers is also interesting. On the one hand, it seems to indicate that acquired powers are connected to the base power (since they couldn't find evidence of most of his known abilities), but on the other hand it also stated that telekinesis was able to be identified separately from IA. Of course, telekinesis is a "special" acquired power, so that doesn't really help too much. --Stevehim 18:05, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
      • This is true because in every instance when a power was removed or suppressed, ALL powers were compromised. Although we do know that the more powers a person has, the more difficult it is to negate them. (Haitian and Arthur) With Matt we have no idea if gaining access to precognition modified his DNA or not.
        • Not exactly. See above (both Mohinder and Hiro have had parts of their abilities suppressed, while still having access to other aspects. --Stevehim 11:20, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
One thing I would suggest if it is ever decided to include more would be to list Telepathy as the primary ability, then 'Accessed:' and list the effects of known abilities he has demonstrated (illusion, persuasion, mental manipulation, precognition)


Ability:
Telepathy
Effects: illusion,
persuasion,
mental manipulation,
precognition,
puppet master

I wouldn't list it, noting it in the ability section of the character and in the ability article would be enough, since it'd be a case of ability homology. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:51, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

-Barbedknives (talk)18:35, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Matt's Precognition is identical to Issac's and Usutu's. Matt have used aspected of other power though telepathy but different ways. Matt can't create Illusion's he can just manipulate one's brain to think there is an illusion. Matt can't persuade like Eden could with speech. He just mind command's them. He can delete memories but it is different to how the Haitian does it. Also when did he show anything like puppet master? He doesn't physically control them just mentally. The point is Matt only has Telepathy and Precognition. Matt can use Telepathy for very similar purposes other abilies have. But that Precognition is different because it is the same power Issac and Usutu. --Master Dave 19:40, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

  • You missed the entire point of this section, Matt uses telepathy to paint the future the same way he uses it to persuade people and to make them see things that aren't there, refute the points above and then come here saying Matt has two powers. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I was just stating the fact he uses telepathy to manipulate minds etc and Precognition seems fairly unlinked to it. If he didn't have Telepathy at all this would be clear Precognition. I agree he needs Telepathy in order to use Precognition but it is confusing how it looks identical to the true precogs. You gotta admit Precognition has nothing to do with manipulating minds but that thing about how he can put his mind in the same plane or state as precogs is easy to understand... --Master Dave 19:54, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Exactly, that's my whole point. Telepathy? Ok. Create illusions in peoples minds? I'll buy that. Coerce people into doing your bidding mentally? Sure. Predicting future events, and in a manner exactly like others using an existing ability? Seems like a stretch to me. But it's not a huge deal, the effects Parkman were able to achieve are listed in his character page, ability development, and I think the telepathy article. --Barbedknives (talk)19:58, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
      • As mentioned above, BTE already explained that because of Usutu's paste, Matt's mind was broadened, and putting that together with his telepathy, he's able to use to enter in the realm of consciousness precogs draw from when the paint/dream. Is it a common application of the power? Certainly not. Is it a logical exaplanation on why and how it happens? Definitely. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:01, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I'll be putting this in the theories section at some point, but according to canon, it's feasible for Matt to have every power there is, based on his telepathy alone. Bob, who is pretty much an expert an evolved humans and what they can do, claims that anything the mind can control, Matt can control (thoughts, actions, etc). We have ample evidence the powers all stem from the mind (Chandra said so, iirc; Sylar examines brains to see how powers work; Mohinder claims it stems from the adrenal glands rather than the blood, and the brain is what signals the glands to excrete adrenaline). Therefore, it is possible that Matt can stop anyone from using their power or force them to use it by controlling their mind. It may also be possible that he can gain all of the powers himself, depending on the mechanism used to alter one's DNA when acquiring new abilities (ie - if it is altered via the brain, Matt should be able to do it). Mind you, this is unlikely to happen (and it would be stupid to give him everyone's powers, imo...though I kinda like the idea that he can force others to use their own powers or inhibit them from doing so), but it is plausible within what we know.
As for his precognition, we've been given an answer by BTE, as Intuitive Empath has cited, but there are other explanations available as well (please note these are just theoretical explanations within the framework of Heroes...I am not actually suggesting they occurred):


1. He could have "absorbed" Usutu's mind or knowledge before he died and now knows how to access precognition without the paste.
2. He could have somehow gained it (or the knowledge of how to access it) from Peter during one of their "mind-melds/battles," either inadvertantly or on purpose.
3. His telepathy may be strong enough to allow him "connect" with other precogs that may be in the world (we don't know of any, but there could be some....was the painting of the world splitting in half in NY ever explained? I can't recall if we ever found out for certain who made it...Future Peter maybe? Usutu?), allowing him to access the future.
4. He has gone into Angela's mind as well, and encountered Arthur telepathically, both of whom have ways of seeing the future.
5. He tried to go into Future Peter's mind...someone who has actually lived several years into the future, and who had several powers allowing him to see the future.
I'll stop here, as I've strayed wayyyy off topic, but these are just a few possible explanations for how telepathy could theoretically be used to access visions of the future. Again, I don't propose any of them to be true, and some might have some small problems (eg - Future Peter's future has changed) to address, but none, afaik, have been disproven by anything we know from canon. --Stevehim 23:55, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

  • You bring up some good points, and I agree with you about telepathy. Matt is the single most powerful evolved human on the show at this point that we know of before Hiro had his power weakened. He could easily take Sylar on one-on-one, and his power doesn't seem to have many limits. The only problem with him obtaining all powers is that powers stem from three main interrelated sources: DNA for coding the ability, the brain for cognitive control and knowledge of the ability, and circumstance for getting the adrenals pumping and the abilities active (at first).
However, Matt does not yet have a functioning mechanism to interact with his DNA or others, and he most definitely doesn't have the knowledge of genetic sequencing required to develop physical abilities even if he did. While it is feasible that he could overpower the Haitian or knock Sylar out cold, there is really no way he could do things like shoot fire or ice from his hands. The least he could do would be to force an evolved human into doing that if they had the ability.
As for the character's direction in the show and his future development, like you said, it is doubtful that he will use his abilities for nefarious purposes. He's not selfish enough to put his own desires in front of the ones he cares about, and has shown on a few occasions to resist the temptation to act on impulses using his power. So I wouldn't hold your breath for the god like Matt anytime soon. --Barbedknives (talk)00:25, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I certainly don't want a godlike Matt; I'm happy with him just the way he is (though I suppose he could be a bit less whiny). As for being the most powerful, I would say it depends on the situation. While Sylar would be subject to his mind-control with nothign to really counter it, Matt is still defenseless against many of Sylar's powers, so I would think it would end up being a first-shot scenario, or a case of how much IA could combat telepathy (eg - give Sylar enough time to do something). As for gaining other powers himself...time to go get him some biology degrees. ;) --Stevehim 11:25, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree with Stevehim that this has strayed way of topic, and I agree that there are other possible ways with which Matt could see the future, but BTE already gave us that. With what we know, there's no reason to list Matt as having both telepathy and precognition. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:26, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

Who screwed up the page?

Who screwed up Matt's page? Can someone fix it? >.> LimaBean 15:19, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Telepath been protecting Matt in " One Giant Leap"

When Sylar got Aurdey to put her gun to her head, why didn't he do the same thing to Matt, if i was Sylar I would control the two not just one. Could Matt Telepath be repling Sylar telekinesis. 50000JH

  • There is nothing at all to hint at this.Gamerelite1 21:10, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
  • What I'm saying is why concentrate on Audrey but not Audrey and Matt.50000JH
  • Because sylar only concentrated on Audrey.

Mastering Telepath

From articles above is it saying that If this ability is mastered then people with telepath can send thought and hear thoughts in the past and future, plus after they are dead. This will mean Hiro would be weak to this ability if this was to happen. I think that Dream manipulation is the link to precrognition. Telepath is the ability to affect the mind. We know that people with Telepath can cause dream manipulation. Anglea was able to use a form of dream manipulation to free Sylar and her basic is Precognition. 50000JH

Parkman's job

Did Matt quit his job in Ink? I really hope not. He had to work hard to be a cop. Kimera757 16:13, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

  • It's possible...but I don't think so. He probably wouldn't have gone to the trouble of covering up his mistake if he wanted to quit his job. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:34, 3 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I don't think so. He knew, and even said what he did would ruin his life, which compelled him to use his persuasion.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:44, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

Matt Parkman, Sr.

Shouldn't [[Matt Parkman]] redirect to [[Matt Parkman, Sr.]] as the main page for Matt? Because Matt Parkman, Jr. and Eric Thompson, Jr. and Eric Thompson, Sr. are the main page for them. I understand the Niki/Nicole thing because she is called Niki way more, but none of these people (well I don't know about Eric, Jr.) are never really called Jr. or Sr. on the show, for Matt, Jr. it is Baby Matt. So I was just wondering why it was like this? ~~IHHTalk 15:45, 1 November 2009 (EST)

Twitter

Oliver Grigsby recently pointed out that Matt has a twitter account. Should it be mentioned in the page?

RIP Matt Parkman, Sr.

  • Dead yet, you think? --Isaac Mendez 15:07, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • No, they wouldn't kill off two main characters in a somewhat memorable way halfway through a season. I have a feeling we'll see them again next week. Here's what I think will happen: Peter has Healing touch and doesn't know about the whole Sylar-switch-a-roo thing. He might feel that by healing Matt, he's saving a friend. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:11, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Intuitive Aptitude

If Sylar saw a broken watch, while in matt's body, he wouldnt be able to fix it because his power is based in his brain and he's in matt's body. daevon 14:53, 14 November 2009 (EST)

  • Then how did Sylar used Telepathy so developed without his ability of intuitive aptitude?--Yoshi n1 15:15, 14 November 2009 (EST)
    • Maybe because he saw matt use it on roy. daevon 17:30, 14 November 2009 (EST)
      • I think he was able to use Telepathy in the same way Jessica was able to use Niki's strength. --Skullman1392 00:33, 15 November 2009 (EST)
  • Since matt has been able to have access to sylars way of thinking maybe he now has intuitive aptitude since it is a type mental ability such as precognition.--Heroicsociopath 17:23, 04 December 2009

parkman is god?

I mean come on. At kirby plaza he got riddled with bullets and lived. Then this season it happens all over again. The simple fact is that he must be magic.

  • Maybe it's just a matter of time. I mean, come on, D.L. was on his what, 4th time getting shot when it finally killed him?Not to say that I didn't love D.L., but he seemed to have some god powers too. --Skullman1392 00:01, 22 December 2009 (EST)
    • He only survived this time as Peter healed him, otherwise he probably wouldn't have. Also, DL was killed when he was shot at point-blank range and probably in the heart too.--WarGrowlmon18 00:05, 22 December 2009 (EST)
      • Yeah, but Matt remained alive long enough for Peter to find and heal him, so he's slightly a god :P I'm Matt the Almighty! My will be done! Green.gif AltesUTC CH 02:34, 22 December 2009 (EST)
        • Yes he did remain alive, but he was in bad shape and may not have survived otherwise. Nathan said he was in critical condition.--WarGrowlmon18 20:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)