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Source/Explanation
Luke says his power is like a microwave (Trust and Blood).

Spoiler page?

Shouldn't this be changed to a spoiler page for now?--Crazylicious 09:14, 9 February 2009 (EST)

  • Yup. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:11, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • Why? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:25, 9 February 2009 (EST)
      • I think Crazylicious posted his message earlier in the day, before the episode aired. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:26, 9 February 2009 (EST)
        • Oh, I see. I saw that it was posted at 9:14, and assumed that it was pm, not am. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2009 (EST)
          • Yup. Sorry about the confusion.--Crazylicious 00:17, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Name suggestion

How about microwave emission? There's not really any need for "rays" since "microwave" doesn't have to be used as an adjective and could just be used as a noun. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:22, 9 February 2009 (EST)

    • Microwave emission makes me think he actually produces microwave ovens lol XD
  • Whatev. Pretty much, as long as it has "microwave", I'm fine with it at this point. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:07, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • Haven't seen the episode myself, but did this ability look similar to Ted's power (not remembering the official name right now....)? -- Tristan0709 talk 01:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • The ability was redness and wavy distortions emanating from Luke's hands, his hands themselves did not glow. And yes, microwave emission would be the best name in my opinion, as it has an action verb that I think is crucial to an ability name, and it fits precedents like laser emission). --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:55, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • I'm fine with either, though microwave emission does make more sense.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:00, 10 February 2009 (EST)
          • Problem is, Luke says his ability is LIKE a microwave. Doesn't say it IS a microwave. Not to be the devil's advocate, but doesn't that mean we CAN'T name it "microwave" anything? Granted, he is probably uneducated to the exact mechanism of his ability, but for all we know this could just be him adding heat to everything.--Riddler 02:29, 10 February 2009 (EST)
            • Matt also said Ando's ability is LIKE a supercharger, yet we used supercharging as the name.--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 16:46, 10 February 2009 (EST)
            • The way Luke's ability heated the contents of Sylar's cup, splashing them up, before cracking the cup itself confirms to me is a microwave emission effect. A microwave cooks the insides first.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:32, 10 February 2009 (EST)
              • I may be wrong but isn't that a misconception? I recall that microwaves are more effective at heating up liquids (or just water) then other substances. The idea the inside heats first I recalling hearing comes from food being more moist on the inside then the outside. Either way the fact it effected a liquid before a solid would confirm it either way. The Light6 03:45, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                • Right, microwaves cook/heat less dense materials easier than the other substances. It just happens that most of the time the less dense material (such as liquids) are inside so they end up cooking faster. It's explained here.--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:10, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                  • The reason this is microwave rays right now is because that's how it was mentioned in spoilers before. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                    • Should we be going along the lines o kinesis somewhere, movement of particles create waves? ALso, see health effects at [1] they radiate. So going with Ted it'll be something like Microwave Radiation?--Fr0z3nB0nes 17:43, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                      • No. Microwaves are NOT radiation. Radiation involves particles and small bits of energy. Gamma radiation (please don't think of the Hulk) is the only "wave" and it is VERY high frequency. Microwaves are a type of wave, like light waves. They are high-frequency, too, but they are NOT radiation. "Emission" is a good verb, because we always use that. Even with "laser", which is grammatically incorrect. And on the canon thing, until he starts setting off geiger counters or giving his mother cancer by living with her, I think we should stick with microwave. It's better than calling it "Luke Campbell's power". As below, I'm also okay with Microwave Ray Emission. A little more wordy, but it still works.
                        • Microwaves are indeed a form of radiation. You're thinking of ionizing radiation which is just one type of radiation. Microwaves are a form of electromagnetic radiation. (Admin 13:39, 11 February 2009 (EST))
  • Please just not another lightning or bliss and horror. Microwave emission is good, he emits microwaves, but if that makes certain people (see above) think of emitting microwave ovens, than perhaps Microwave Ray Emission? --Yamawhata? 18:46, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • I dont think anybody will seriously expect luke to be able to shoot microwave ovens out of his hands. Even though it would be cool to see someone summon kitchen appliances out of nowhere, 'Microwave Emission is just fine. --Piemanmoo 22:55, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Microwave emission. That's a good name. Unless Luke's ability proves otherwise, we can call it by that name.
    • So... do we have a consensus? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 09:52, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Luke's power

Why not call it Microwave Blast instead of Microwave rays.

'Microwave Rays'... Thermokinesis?

Thoughts? Milbury 10:37, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Themokinesis suggests that he can manipulate the temperature of things, which, as far as we know, is not what his ability does. Plus, there's no canonical basis for the name "thermokinesis." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:55, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • If Luke will be able to melt a solid object, his ability will be thermokinesis.
    • Uh... that's not right at all. Like I said, thermokinesis implies he can manipulate heat, not only increasing heat, but removing it as well. That's not what he can do, as far as we've seen. And again, thermokinesis has no base in canon. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • 'Pyrokinesis' had no basis in canon until it was seen in Flint and Meredith's AT profiles. Sometimes common sense trumps canon. After all, speaking canonically, Luke's ability has no name at all yet. Milbury 11:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • It's not common sense though. I've already stated why "thermokinesis" is technically incorrect. "Microwave emission" or even "microwave rays" is more sensible than "thermokinesis." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:03, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • Man, why is there a discussion of kinesis-suffixed ability names on every ability page? Too far. --SomeoneImportant 12:03, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, it's not even a correct name. :/ Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:04, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • Unless Luke gets an assignment tracker, his ability may well never have a 'correct name.' Look at poor Alejandro. Milbury 11:06, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • Microwave emission is correct, as it's exactly what we've seen him do: emit rays that he describes as microwaves. Unless we get more or better information, then that's what his ability's name will be. Alejandro's ability doesn't have a name because there is none that succinctly describes all aspects of his ability accurately. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Sassafrasskinesis

Just call it Sassafrasskinesis for Christ sake!

  • Actually, 'Sassafrasskinesis' would be a pretty awesome ability. Almost as good as Skittlefication. Milbury 10:54, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • Don't forget Mullamullamimicry. --Arkillion 17:01, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Any screen caps of...

Luke using his ability on Sylar's mug?

Also, should we include Luke's comment about messing up pacemakers on the page, or is it too semantic? Darmenos 19:50, 11 February 2009 (CDT)

Still wondering if anyone has a pic of Sylar's mug boiling... --Darmenos 12:27, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Isn't it already in the article already? And what's semantic mean? While I'm at it, what's consistency mean (And by that, I'm referring to "boiling his blood and giving it the consistency of water")?--ERROR 19:33, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Blood is thick and boiling it would make it as thin as water (which might kill you). --Boom D  12  21:28, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

But the spoilers called it "Microwave rays"

  • how com before the second episode, we have to name The Hunter as Danko even though it wasn't mentioned in the show yet and we just got it from spoilers and interviews?--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 12:31, 12 February 2009 (EST)
    • I don't think a person's name is a spoiler, unless it tells something spoilery. If an interview revealed that Danko's name is Danko Petrelli, or even Danko Spektor, then we wouldn't add that name. But there's nothing spoilery about him having a first name, so there's no harm in accurately naming the article. I'm not sure what any of that has to do with naming this article about Luke's power...but you can check out related (and older) discussions here and here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:37, 12 February 2009 (EST)
      • What I mean is, we followed the spoilers for Danko's name, then why cant we do it here?--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 17:57, 12 February 2009 (EST)
        • We don't really have a reason to? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 18:19, 12 February 2009 (EST)
          • No offence but Microwave emission just doesn't sound good for the ability :S--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 20:30, 12 February 2009 (EST)
            • Unfortunately, that's not how naming works here. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:32, 12 February 2009 (EST)
              • Oh yeah? I thought you named it Microwave emission coz it sound "better"?--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 21:57, 12 February 2009 (EST)
                • Where are you getting that idea? Nowhere in the reasoning for the rename does it say that "microwave emission" sounds better than "microwave rays." To reiterate, "microwave rays," frankly, is rather redundant. The microwaves themselves are rays. Microwave emission doesn't sound better, it is better. Whether or not a name sounds good is completely subjective, and it'd be illogical to name an ability so because it sounds good, or change the name of an ability because it doesn't sound good. Especially if only one person holds the sentiment. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:50, 12 February 2009 (EST)
                    • To add to that, this name is the better choice gramaticaly. Names for such abilities as this need the format <manipulated thing> <verb based noun describing the way the thing is manipulated>. ergo, this is Microwave emission, which is to say that the microwaves are being emitted by this power. Of course this goes out the window once Sylar, Luke, or someone else calls it something in dialog. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2009 (EST)

How Have We All Missed This?

  • Thought about Luke's ability a bit more and realized a little something I'm surprised no one's brought up. So, let me put forth my new hypothesis - is it possible Luke's ability is simply a more focused (perhaps 'limited' might be a better word) version of Ted Sprague's Radioactivity? Microwaves can induce a type of radiation, and certainly Ted and Luke have the same effect on liquids. But what really got me to wondering about this was the realization that, in the Exposed Future, Sylar had somehow regained the power of Radioactivity - or a very similar power. Matt's recent manifestation of precognitive painting abilities could account for Sylar regaining the ability to paint the future - and as for blowing up Costa Verde? Maybe that's where Luke comes in... thoughts? --Milbury 21:23, 12 February 2009 (EST)
    • No. microwaves are not radiation. They speed up water molecules. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/-
      • Hmm, that's interesting. I seem to remember saying that microwaves induce a type of radiation, not that they are radiation themselves. Let me recheck that paragraph, just to be sure. ... And there it is, third sentence. And if you doubt the existence of microwave radiation, a quick google of the term will prove most informative. Thanks for your input. --Milbury 21:46, 12 February 2009 (EST)
        • Allow me to rephrase... Microwaves in no way manipulate radiation. Please remain civil, I don't want to see a repeat of yesterday. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/-
          • Let me give you a few examples of that so-called nonexistent microwave radiation: [2], [3], [4], and [5] for starters. Thanks for keeping civility in mind too, Psilaq. I'd hate for civilized discourse to degenerate due to ill tempers again. --Milbury 21:58, 12 February 2009 (EST)
            • I dont think Psilaq is denying the fact that microwaves are a form of radiation. They are indeed part of the spectrum of the electromagnetic radiation. On your idea that this ability is a form of Induced radioactivity, it's plausible, but to outright say so by adding Luke to IR is much to speculative and assumptive to do here. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:42, 13 February 2009 (EST)
            • Oh, I have no interest in getting Luke's ability classification changed. I'm just interested in hearing what fellow Heroes fans have to say about the theory - whether it seems to be within the realm of possibility or if it's just complete malarky. --Milbury 01:51, 13 February 2009 (EST)
  • from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwaves#Power

A microwave oven passes (non-ionizing) microwave radiation (at a frequency near 2.45 GHz) through food, causing dielectric heating by absorption of energy in the water, fats and sugar contained in the food. Microwave ovens became common kitchen appliances in Western countries in the late 1970s, following development of inexpensive cavity magnetrons. TheHunter 00:50, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Yes, it's definitely possible that Luke's powers could be a suppressed form of Induced radioactivity and he just never really thought to expand his powers to a larger spectrum. lavadude400

Examples?

Should we make an examples page for it? It won't be long before we have more than the eight for the selected examples. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Micro "Wave" "Rays"?

Dunno if i'm being stupid here but earlier on the page it was mentioned that somewhere the power was called microwave rays or microwave ray emission? SUrely a wave is like a pulse, or a multidirectional blast whereas a ray is direct, so the name is directly contrasting itself? SO I dunno, sounds kinda weird as Micro ray emission? Or just microwave emission.

  • ...I'm sorry, I really have no idea what you're trying to say... -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 17:45, 22 February 2009 (EST)

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