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Rename?

Okay, "Worse than the boogeyman" is, franky, silly. It woud be much more professional if it was something like "Man watching Molly" or "Molly's enemy" --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 17:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I agree. "Worse than the boogeyman" is ridiculous! It doesn't even convince the reader right away that the article is even about a person. "Man watching Molly" is MUCH better. -- Novajoe23 18:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Are we sure it's a "man"? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Molly calls the person "he", so I would assume the person is male.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • "Man watching Molly" makes the guy sound like a pedophile...--Ice Vision 18:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • "Man watching Molly" isn't accurate. She never said he was watching her, but that he could see her if she saw him. --Riddler 19:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • How about something simple, like "New Villain" or "Mysterious Bad Man"?--Sauron18 19:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
          • I think the current name is okay for now, but here's my suggestions: Molly's monster... or Monster (reflected clairvoyance).--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
            • Well, as long as we have sufficent redirects, because it took me a long time to find the article. The actual article could be something as simply as "He", or "Him", as long as it's referenced elsewhere and easy to find. --Sauron18 19:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
              • There's also "Man who can see Molly" Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 19:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
                • How about Sauron? ;-) In all seriousness, "Man Who Can See Molly" is the best suggestion. It's more specific than "him" and doesn't sound silly like the current title.--Pearse 20:58, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
                  • I added Man (reflected clairvoyance) and Man who can see Molly to the possible nominations. They both fit the form of additions we did as for the unnamed characters from walls. For that GN, we named them by their power (ie. Agent (electromagnetism) and Agent (enhanced speed)).--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
                    • Yes, but, we don't really know if that's his power, so it would be speculation. --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 21:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • "Reflected Clairvoyance" would be sheer speculation. We can't use that.--Riddler 21:56, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • What do you mean speculation? If he can see her when she is seeing him, that means he is reflecting her clairvoyance... but if you think there is speculation as to whether Molly is just imagining his power should we go with the "Man who might be able to see Molly"? Lets keep the current name then, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Just because he can see her doesn't mean he's reflecting her clairvoyance. He could have the power to into a giant rock, for all we know! --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • "He could have the power to into a giant rock". He could have what??? LOL, you lost me there...--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Remember, Clairvoyance is only the term we gave it. Reflected Clairvoyance sounds odd anyway.--Riddler 22:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • My suggestion is "Being who can see Molly" as it's not clear that "Man" or "Monster" would be correct (especially given he is speculated to Uluru, but it is not known), but "who can see Molly" is the clearest way of signifying and identifying what we know about him. Alexwill 22:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

How about we name him "Molly seer"? It's short, simple, and to the point.--Ice Vision 23:00, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That's nice and short, but can we trust Molly's description?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • We don't have anyone else to trust, do we?--Ice Vision 23:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Not yet, so that's why I prefer the current name. Describing him by an ability we don't know for certain is wrong, imho, unless we want to guess in which case we should be using proper nomenclature. His very existence is tied to believing it's not just a nightmare Molly has thought up. So if you want short and accurate, how about "Molly's greatest fear"?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • "Worse Than Sylar" would have been okay, but I absolutely prefer "Molly's Greatest Fear." --Voo
  • Whatever name is chosen, I think an acronym should be made up right away, like how Noah Bennet was often referred to as HRG in the beginning. --Discar

Why don't we try "being who can see Molly" because there wasn't really a reason for Molly to lie to them, was there? And besides, if he couldn't see her, why is she so scared to find him?--TheBoogeymanCometh 14:55, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

  • I wouldn't worry about minor changes in the name too much at this point. I don't know if you read spoiler information or not, but suffice it to say we're expecting an actual name around the beginning of season 2 so we can wait until then and just rename it properly. (Admin 15:01, 7 September 2007 (EDT))
  • I agree with you, TBC, but I suppose others wanted to assume that Molly might not be telling the truth. Go figure. But yeah, this close to Season Two, I'm fine just waiting until the episodes air, since I'm pretty sure we'll find something out in Four Months Later, or at least in the first few episodes. Joy. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:11, 7 September 2007 (EDT)
  • In the preview for the episode on October 15th, molly called him the "Nightmare-Man", so I propose to use this name.--Dracomaster4 22:33, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
    • That's a spoiler. Wait for next week.--Bob 22:35, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
  • So I think we have some better candidate names for him now. Do we go with "Matt Parkman's father", "Nightmare Man", or "Mr. Parkman"? (Admin 22:47, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
    • I agree with Mr. Parkman, for now, but how do we not know his name is "Maury Parkman" as according to the Heroes Game?--The Empath 22:50, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I dont think the game is canonical enough to change the article name to Maury Parkman (especially since there's still a good chance it will be revealed in an episode), however it definitely deserves to be in the Notes section. (Admin 22:54, 15 October 2007 (EDT))

Image

I realize we haven't seen this guy yet. Would an image of Molly talking to Matt about him be appropriate for now? Or is the consensus to leave this without an image for now?--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Identity

  • You all know Molly's talking about Uluru, right? See CBR 22. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • That would be my theory as well. But since they didn't exactly spell it out in the CBR it remains just a very good theory.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I don't exactly feel like reading the whole interview, but could someone kindly tell me where it is? Thanks.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Here you go:
Jereme Zuanich wants to know if we'll see a resolution to the Uluru character, the big blue rock monster on the cover of Micah's "9 th Wonders" comic. "It was drawn and painted by Isaac and was also on Hiro's screen saver when he first stops time. Will this be a new more serious foe on day, perhaps once our heroes begin to master their abilities? Is there any chance this monster actually exists, or is he a manifestation of something else?"
There will be some hint of the Uluru mystery before the end of the season. Uluru means a lot of things to a lot of people. It might not refer to a person, but rather a concept. One of our favorite CBR readers wrote a very interesting theory about Uluru and the connection to the Aborgine dreamtime myths and theory. Is Uluru a person? Or is Uluru an ability? Or a concept? We'll see.

--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That personally tells me nothing concrete at all that Molly is referring to Uluru. It's just an ambiguous 'uh-oh' thing. Plus if Molly is going to call Sylar a boogeyman she'd probably say 'a big rock guy can see me'. OUChevelleSS 19:10, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Thank you so much. I appreciate it.--Ice Vision 22:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Why do we need this, exactly?

  • This whole article feels pretty premature. It's pretty much just here for the quote, which is way too long anyway. I'm not sure we need an article for this (or a protracted argument about what to call it) just yet.--Hardvice (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I'll second the nomination to delete it--for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:50, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Thirded. Makes sense to me. --Riddler 23:57, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • It is an integral piece of the current Heroes puzzle, though. I feel like deleting this page, though information is scarce, is a jump that should not be made. --Zenebas 01:05, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Everything we currently know about this individual can be summed up on the episode page, though. We don't even have any independent corroboration that this character actually exists, apart from the beliefs of a scared little girl who refers to the main Season One villain as "the boogeyman". Chances are good we'll have enough information to start an article that isn't so ... pointless ... come the first episode of next season.--Hardvice (talk) 02:11, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that deleting is a bad idea. Clearly, this character will be very significant, and what information is known now should be here. Alex W (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • If anyone's counting votes, mine would be to keep the page. There are entries of similar size about far less important characters as this and people reading the wiki will be looking for any information about this man, whatever we decide upon calling him. There's already the speculation that the character is Uluru, and there's bound to be more details over the next few months, so the page could be quite helpful.--Pearse 13:04, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that an article like this will be helpful, but until "Volume Two," I don't think we need this article.
As far as the Uluru speculation goes, I'd imagine, even in the Heroes World, that "giant rock-monsters" don't exist. In my humble opinion, I think Uluru was just a vision 'Isaac' had while he was high and his power got the better of him.
Of course, the show does need an antagonist (or two) for the second season. But I think that, while this article could (and probably will) be very necessary during the episode Generations (September, 2007), it just doesn't need to exist right now.

Rewind, 6:52 UTC; Wednesday, May 23, 2007

  • I say not to delete it because it almost reveals a whole nother evil, something the Heroes could be afraid of and a mystery. I say keep it. What does it hurt by leaving it? Jason Garrick 15:54, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
  • People are already linking to it externally, so let's keep it. Plus it sounds like this will be an important part of things to come, so people are interested in knowing any information about it already. I'm not a huge fan of the name, but I can't really think of anything better. (Admin 16:00, 23 May 2007 (EDT))

Discussion about votes

I think there should be a vote on renaming the article. The two I think are the best are "Being who can see Molly" (which was mine) and "Molly's Greatest Fear", but there were others in contention. I'm not sure how such things are done here: I'm guessing similar to wikipedia but slightly different, so if an admin wants to get this started the way things are usualyl done, I think that would be good. Alex W (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Come on people, we need votes! :D --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 20:04, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I would say we have enough votes now. Should we close the voting and move the page? --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:06, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Enough votes? It's a tie: Ryan is neutral (voted for both); MGF has Ted, myself, Voo, Ice Vision; BWCSM has Heroe, Alexwill, Pearse, Kschang. Does Admin want to weigh in on this?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Note that I would accept 'Being Molly fears' but saying the being can 'see' Molly is just as much an assumption as saying it's her greatest fear, imho. Can we stop playing name switcharoo and leave the original name for now, please?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Well, she says he can see her, but she never actually says she's fearful of him. I'm sure she is, but that's still assumed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
          • I think she's mentioning him because she fears him too, so I still prefer MGF. But check out this link to the recap. It says that Molly "cautions" of an even worse villain that "knows" when she's thinking about him. And it leaves out whether-or-not the villain can "see" her. Dare I suggest "Molly's villain" or "Villain Molly knows"? We only know of his existence due to Molly.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
            • I think that recap is in accurate. In the episode Molly clearly says she doesn't want to think about him because when she does "he can see me". Alex W (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
              • The recap is a canon source: it's not inaccurate. It may be incomplete but it does hint at the possibility that he can't actually "see" Molly, but simply "knows" when she is thinking about him. You didn't like "Molly's villain?" as a name? ;)--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
                • Is it canon? I assumed near canon or official source, maybe. I've never read it on the Heroes site before, so that's just ignorance on my part. I do kind of like "Molly's villain". But I still feel her say "he can see me" is the most legitimate reference. Alex W (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
                  • How's it legitimate? Seriously: Molly is speculating that he can see her. She doesn't know that. Half-serious: If she said that he can smell her would you be rooting for "Being who can smell Molly"? LOL.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:54, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
                  • NBC recaps are not a canon source. Only aired episodes are canon. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
                    • I stand corrected, the admin here may not consider them canon, but I think they are a good source. If I recall correctly, we did base Peter's time-freeze use on a statement from the recaps. Other things I think are canon: the graphic novels (the writers/producers confirmed canon status), CBR interviews with the writers/producers themselves.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:59, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
                      • This canon source also confused D.L. and the Haitian. We did not base Peter's time freeze on that caption. It was based on the actual episode.--Ice Vision 15:20, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
                        • Right. NBC really is a great source, but it's not canon (see help:sources). The graphic novels are not canon, either, they are "near canon". NBC recaps can certainly be used to help clarify, expound, and enlighten, but a non-canon source (including a GN or an NBC recap) should never be given higher status than an aired episode. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but I am afraid that people are brushing aside what Molly said in the episode in favor of what an NBC recap said. If that's not the case, then that's great. But it should be made clear that NBC is an official source, not a canon source. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
                          • Thanks for the pointer to help:sources, but we're still stuck on this name. Care to make a help:naming?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:00, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Voting

I'm proposing a voting system. The name gets one bullet. Add your name after it with two bullets if it's your vote. Hopefully, this will make counting workable --Ted C 16:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Molly's greatest fear
    • --Ted C 16:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --MiamiVolts (talk) 16:19, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • This one works so long as it's "Molly's greatest fear". — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:43, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
      • On second thought, she never says it's her greatest fear--that's assumed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:50, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --Lotrabc 13:09, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --Fystlotra69 17:17, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --I Live In Your Closet 13:46, 28 May 2007
    • --Lastword2 17:45, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Being who can see Molly
    • -- FrenchFlo (talk)        16:00, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • -- Heroe
    • -- Alex W (talk) 08:35, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
    • This is also acceptable. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:43, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I'd prefer "person" or "man". "Being" seems to imply they might not be human, and I don't see Heroes having aliens or supernatural creatures. Still gets my vote though.--Pearse 14:06, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
      • "being" is prefereable as it's not known to be human, especially given strong speculation that it may be Uluru. We don't have any reason to know what it is. Alex W (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I prefer this to others, as it shows the WHY, not the effects. Others only show effects. Perhaps, change it to "Being who can sense Molly"? -- Kschang 21:29, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --Bob 04:24, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
  • He who sees Molly
  • Leave it alone
    • This is Molly's wording, not ours. Disney42 00:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
      • If you want to get technical, "worse than the boogeyman" is actually never said by Molly. But even still, it's an adjectival phrase, not a noun, like all our other character names. It simply doesn't fit with our naming conventions. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Molly Greatest Fear!
  • Worse Than Sylar
    • After all, "Boogeyman" is simply her term for Sylar. It fits as well as "Worse than the Boogeyman" and has the advantage of not sounding like it was uttered by an 8-year old (even if it was). :) --AlanK 01:55, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Noah and the boogeyman

After reviewing the season ending episode, i noticed Noah Bennett having that weird "shift eye" look on his face when little Molly sunshine talks about the creature(person) who is worse than the boogeyman. Initially, i thought it was because he wanted to help his daughter and stop sylar, but the more i look at it, well it looks like he is trying to cover up something. Check it out, but he HAS to know something about uluru.. or who/whatever WTTB is.

The Dragon

If it turns out that WTTB is really the dragon from the Kaito's story in Landslide, I guess we can move the history of this article to it then. But for now, do we already have an article referencing the dragon story? I'm not finding it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:48, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Identity part 2

I was wondering, Molly searches for people that The Company tells her to search for, and The Company finds those people with the list Chandra put together (Correct me if I'm wrong. If I remember correctly I think Mohinder gave The List to someone) so I assume that WTTB is on the the list of evolved humans. Arnisturlu 18:05, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Not necessarily and probably not. Two things I'll correct. First, Molly probably finds people primarily for the Company, but she is, of course, able to do this on her own, even without an order from the Company. This being doesn't seem to be on the radar of the Company, as far as we know. Possible, but who knows. Second, Suresh only met up with the Company in November 2006, so the Company is most likely not working off the list. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:58, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Definitely not. In the next-to-finale, when Mohinder said something about Parkman, Molly said something akin to "really? He's downstairs coming up right now." And Mohinder looks at the monitor, and sure enough, there's Parkman and HRG. Company and Mohinder sure did not "look" for Parkman. Molly did that on her own. --Kschang 18:51, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Information from Deathray Magazine

Hi,

There's been some information from a magazine about this characters name, powers, and information on him. I don't know how true it is, but should I put it in anyway? I didn't post the information here in case anyone didnt want to be spoiledBabygurl1853 18:07, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Okay thanks. Just took a look over at the spoilers page and it seems most of what I had to say was already there, but added some bits. Babygurl1853 19:19, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Activating Evolution names "the being"

Check this out, it is hilarious. http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Molly_Walker Go towards the middle bottom, where it talks about the being Molly can't use her powers to find; and then follow the link to Chuck Norris. ROTF --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/5/2007 10:07 (EST)

  • Yeah, there's a lot of thinks like there since anyone can edit the theories--there's no overseeing administrators. It is funny, though.--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:14, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

The being who DOES see Molly?

We heard his voice specifically... "I can see you..." thus confirming he CAN see her... Any thoughts?--Riddler 22:19, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Even if that was his voice, we don't know how his power works. He might not be seeing her, projecting his thoughts on her and telling her that to scare her...when he starts describing what Molly's wearing and whomelse is in the room with her, then I will agree...as for now, I'm suspicious that he's seeing anything cause no mention of Matt was made in that scene.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:23, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

New temporary name

  • After seeing the previews for next week's episode, it seems that Molly calls him the "Nightmare man". Should the title of this article be changed? FlyingMan 00:24, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
    • See above. It's a spoiler, wait for next week. But I think we'll find out who it is anyway.--Bob 00:25, 9 October 2007 (EDT)