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Just a quick bit of help for anybody who might be interested. When typing a future character's name, you can use the parentheses to help you. For instance, rather than typing [[Peter Petrelii (future)|Peter]], you can just type [[Peter (future)|]]. The piping will automatically strip the "(future)" part and will just leave Peter. Actually, this applies to anything with a parenthetical title ( [[Homecoming (event)|]]→Homecoming ) or a comma ( [[Las Vegas, NV|]]→Las Vegas ). Of course you can still pipe and link however you want, I just want to make it easier on those that might be typing future characters' names a lot. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:32, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

  • FYI same trick can be used to strip out namespaces easily, too. ([[Episode:Genesis|]]→Genesis) (Admin 20:43, 2 May 2007 (EDT))

Should the Moab Federal Penitentiary Response Team be added to this page? Harter 19:52, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

Another portal

Why don't we have another portal of future characters for the Virus outbreak timeline? Future Angela and the new Virus characters seem out of place here.--Citizen 19:14, 6 November 2007

  • You'd rather have a portal of just five people? This portal is named "future characters" and the characters from Out of Time and Quarantine are future characters. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:31, 7 November 2007 (EST)
    • But these new future characters are not in the same future as the future characters from Five Years Gone.--Citizen 14:11, 7 November 2007
      • I agree with Citizen, the Virus Pandemic is this season's Bomb. It is separate from the Bomb (and likely happened because the Bomb was averted) and as such needs to be separated from the Bomb future--SacValleyDweller (talk) 18:24, 7 November 2007 (EST)
        • But who says that this portal is only for characters from a specific future? If we did that, we'd probably have to have another portal for the characters from Walls, and possibly another for the characters from String Theory. Yuck. The portal only says "Future Characters", and all the characters in the portal are characters from possible futures. Besides, even Dark Future talks about all the different possible futures in one article. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:27, 8 November 2007 (EST)
          • I suppose if we come to a point where we have multiple versions of the same character from different futures (an altogether different post-Virus Future Hiro, say) and it became cumbersome/confusing to have them on the same character page, then it might make sense to either split or subdivide this portal by timeline. Until then, though, I don't see any need to split it. The future after the explosion and the future after the virus are indeed different futures, but the characters from both fall within the rubric of "future characters" the same way that Molly and the Crane boy are both minors, even though one is a future character and one isn't.--Hardvice (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2007 (EST)
            • However, the case can be made that there should be a Season One future characters portal and a Season Two future characters portal. That's how all the other character portals are done. Currently, the Season Two future characters on this page are only available by accessing the Season One character portals. That strikes me as incorrect. At the very least, we need to add this portal into both the Season One and Season Two character portals, like Animals.--Hardvice (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2007 (EST)
              • Good point about adding it to both S1 and S2 portals. I'll take care of that now. I don't mind making a split, but don't like the idea of making the split based on which future it is, especially at this point in the game. Splitting by season might be a good idea, but I still don't think we're at that point. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:15, 8 November 2007 (EST)
                • Definitely the best solution for now. A portal with 5 characters would seem kind of lonely.--Hardvice (talk) 22:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)

GN characters

In all other cases GN characters are omitted from the series proper portals. Any reason why it isn't so in this case? Pierre 13:36, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

  • That's not true. Animals is also merged, and the reason for both being all-inclusive is cause there's so few of them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:52, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
    • True - and I don't like that either. Inconstancy, inconstancy... Pierre 14:24, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
    • Since there is different navigation bars for the future characters of the show and of the GNs, and there already is a portal for the GN Future characters, I put them out of the portal, but included a link to Portal:Future Graphic Novel Characters. Pierre 14:36, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Subheadings to delineate futures?

If this portal is going to be the sole portal for Future characters, might it be a good idea to put each set of future characters under a heading within this page?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 14:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

  • I think that may be a good idea. -Lөvөl 12:46, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Inconsistent naming we need to stop and rethink, before making a mess

I've noticed that a new standard is emerging, "Hiro Nakamura (future) (II)". While this numerical suffix is a good idea, I think we should be very careful and consistent and be sure to apply it as each differing future timeline is shown and differentiated.

For example, right now we are calling the Season 3 Future Peter and Future Hiro Peter Petrelli (future) (II) and Hiro Nakamura (future) (II). But that is not correct (numerically). They both should be (III).

Following is, I believe the correct future and distinct timelines differentiated:

  • 1. Hiro Nakamura (future) (I) -introduced in Hiros and most noted from Five Years Gone
  • 2. Hiro Nakamura (future) (II) -the next different future-hiro, from the GNs String Theory and Walls 1&2, who was in a different timeline.
  • 3. Hiro Nakamura (future) (III) -the newest different future-hiro from Season 3.

Same for Peter:

  • 1. Peter Petrelli (future) (I) -introduced in Five Years Gone.
  • 2. Peter Petrelli (future) (II) -a different future-Peter, introduced in Walls 1&2.
  • 3. Peter Petrelli (future) (III) -another different future-Peter, from Season 3.

If we don't discuss and fix this inconsistency now, it'll create a much bigger mess later as more future Peter/Hiro stuff is added; and it will effectively strand the 'String Theory/Walls' future Hiro/Peter characters outside of their proper numerical order of appearance.

And there may be other 'future-character' difference/appearance order we need to consider besides these two; they were just the ones that stuck out the quickest to my memory. Hope I've explained my concern clearly enough. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/23/2008 12:35 (EST)

  • You bring up a good point and I agree with you. Although maybe instead of using numbers why not use Peter Petrelli (Dark Future), "Peter Petrelli (Outbreak Future)", etc. It is also going to be hard to understand if the Peter Petrelli is from the same future that Hiro saw since Peter already started the butterfly effect by then (i.e. shotting Nathan). --Pinkkeith 12:43, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Might I suggest what I consider a simpler reference system. "Future Peter (Season 1)" or "Future Peter (S1)". That makes it pretty clear exactly which "Future Peter" you have in mind. --Ted C 20:35, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
      • That sounds reasonable. I would be concerned if a season dealt with more than one possible future, though--like if Ando and Hiro were arguing with a third Future Peter. Yikes! But I agree, I think we need something more defining than just a parenthetical Roman numeral. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:29, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
        • I can only hope that the writers won't try to make the story so convoluted that we have multiple Future Peters from different timelines running around at the same time! Even if they did, we could resort to "Future Peter (S3a)", Future Peter (S3b)", etc. --Ted C 17:05, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I was trying to use terminology that we already call the different future timelines which is seen on this article. I think it would be easier to read and understand if we call each of the futures with the same name consistently. --Pinkkeith 09:59, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • I'd have to say that using the numbers is better because the way I see it the Future Peter in this season came from a future that Nathan told about the powers and the future that Hiro saw was part of the butterfly effect where now anyone can get powers that is how Ando got them.--Iceman 13:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • My opinion is it's only even important to separate future characters that are fundamentally different. The new Hiro in the future doesn't resemble the original Future Hiro, so there's some logic in separating the articles. In fact at this point I don't think the new future Hiro even needs his own article. We don't know anything fundamentally different about him in the future that can't be said on the main Hiro Nakamura article. Other than that we shouldn't be creating stubby individual articles for each alternate timeline. We need to consolidate multiple timelines for characters into single articles except where the character is completely different. (Admin 13:52, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
    • I think what people arn't seeing is thease people are not the same. The future people from series 1 and 2 are now dead, non existent, never did exist. There are huge differences for them. They defo need their own articals, and they do need names not numbers.--Skywalkerrbf 13:57, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
      • My concern for bringing this up, is because right now, pages and links and references are being made to FH or FP (I) and (II); which assumes there are only two distinct FH and FP individuals; when Walls shows there are 3 completely different FH/ the (I) and (II) suffix is misleading. I like the idea that Pinkkeith had above, I like Pinkkeith's approach above with a name-qualifier as opposed to a number, perhaps a System of identifying each unique 'Future-Timeline' in a way that future-charcters from that specific timeline can be associated to it (like we do 'Dark Future'), so that whenever a different and distinct future person shows up, their 'future is catalogued' and they are associated to it. If the (I)s and (II)s continue to perpetuate however, it's gonna be messier than a starship full of tribbles keeping up with them. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/23/2008 14:55 (EST)
        • That reinforces my suggestion that we have a single article for the characters and split out summaries and information by timelines there where it's easier. The whole Future Soandso I and Future Soandso II is confusing and unnecessary and prone to a lot of speculation as to how many different instances of someone exists. Like I said, where two future characters are very different I can see splitting them into separate articles, but otherwise I think we're splitting information unnecessarily into multiple articles that could just as easily and coherently fit into a single article on their future self. Future Peter has not fundamentally changed since we first met him despite changes to the timeline. There's no reason we can't summarize the different instances of Future Peter on a single Future Peter article. (Admin 15:36, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
          • I'd suggest this;
            • Peter Petrelli (future 1), Peter Petrelli (future 2), Peter Petrelli (future 3).
            • Hiro Nakamura (future 1), Hiro Nakamura (future 2), etc.
            • That way it is distinguishable, and numerous. Choice is yours though. --DocM 15:39, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I think separate articles are necessary for the characters from different futures. The two Future Peters may appear the same, but they both live at very different times (one is a recluse who is dating Niki, the other is hunted and wanted in prison), and have different abilities (the one from Five Years Gone has pyrokinesis, electromagnetism, and enhanced speed; the one we meet in Season Three can create illusions). I think different characters warrant different articles. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:16, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Separate articles sounds like a good idea, but I think the future scenario is repeating often enough now that it could be kind of ridiculous how many articles we will have for a single character. I would recommend that we consider using subpages or templates so we can include all of the future versions of a character on the same page by inclusion. That way, typing in Future Peter in the search box would take you a page that lists all of the Future Peters. I think that's the best way to handle it. PS: there was a Peter Petrelli in the Outbreak Future, but he had died before our Peter had arrived and we know very little about him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
      • But we don't have an article for him, do we? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
        • That is correct--we don't have an article for him cause we know very little about him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • They still need to be named by future not by number. I think there does need to be a page for say 'future peter' but it needs to be different from 'explosion future peter'. 'future peter' should just show all the differnt Peters we have, like a dis-whatever you call it page.--Skywalkerrbf 03:08, 24 September 2008 (EDT)