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Rounded Corners implementation

  • Where is this Nifty talk page? Now you got me interested in checking it out. PS: Spraying the pan with Pam, even the generic kind, helps too. ;)--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Ok, I found the link in MediaWiki:Common.js and refreshed my memory. I think this was discussed before, but I'm not sure how you are considering to implement it now. We could define a new class for tables and divs that automatically converts the borders to be rounded when specified. And another thing to note is not every box or even every corner needs rounding... the character box is fine as-is, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Character box is already rounded in browsers which support it. What we're talking about is making the IE version look like the Firefox version. We're not going to pick and choose which ones to make look like they were rendered in a competent browser.--Hardvice (talk) 00:52, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I'm at loss, then, as to why you were suggesting needing to change template code to make it work in IE? Couldn't the changes just be done in MediaWiki:Common.js after testing that the browser is IE?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:24, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
          • No. Nifty corners requires a combination of CSS and Javascript. The CSS needs to be in the templates for the script to affect them.--Hardvice (talk) 02:54, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Hmm, when I view the source for the main page in IE, I see things like "-moz-border-radius:10px;" as a table attribute. That's what firefox uses to determine that a corner is required and I thought you could just add the extra info IE needs every time such code appears. I'll take a closer look at Nifty tommorrow and try to determine what the CSS is that needs to be added tp the templates (not Common.css). I'm not seeing it right now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
              • We're actually already working on this offsite and have a pretty good idea what we're doing. The Nifty script we're using requires that IDs be assigned to the elements to which it will be applied. Those IDs need CSS at both the stylesheet level and the wiki article level, as well as individual function calls in common.js, and a lot of the markup we currently use in our templates is incompatible with the way the script does up the rounded corners. Since the CSS needs to be in the template level anyway, we're looking at possibly replacing, not supplementing, the -moz-borders (the script generally leaves things looking OK if Javascript is turned off, so it's possible to leave the moz code in and make the Javascript agent-specific, but we might have to make incompatible changes to the templates because some of the stuff we do all the time in templates (like image links) breaks the way the script renders either borders or corners.) But yes, to get it to work properly in a wiki, we need three separate things (well, four if you count the actual script): a function call in common.js, a style block in common.css, and at least an ID (and possibly an inline style block, depending on the formatting) in the individual element to which it needs to apply. Since a lot of the actual formatting (colors, borders, and the like) is specified in both common.js and common.css, it's not quite as simple as setting up a class and applying it to all the elements we want affected--and that's setting aside the compatibility issues with the actual existing markup in our templates. We can't simply apply the same class or ID to all corners we want rounded on the whole site because each function call needs to know the inside and outside colors of the corner, the border style, the corner size, and which corners to round, and that changes from template to template. One function won't do it; neither will one class in common.css--and in any case, we're always going to have to go through each and every rounded element to assign an ID so the script will apply to it and make sure the markup doesn't break the corner rendering.--Hardvice (talk) 04:40, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
                • You can do multiple functions and class definitions in common.js, and I don't see why you can't grab all of that info. using one or more javascript functions and pass it to another. Thanks, I appreciate the lengthy explanation, but the only thing that made sense to me is about the image links breaking the script. I'll check into it more, I guess, when you finish adding it, since it's being worked on offsite where I can't see.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Rounded Corners - involved?

  • Is it really that involved, though? There are less than 200 templates, and as far as I can tell, it's mostly a cut and paste job after the script is written. Or am I completely missing something. BTW, the best gravy has chunks. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:38, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
    • It depends. Most of them will be cut-and-paste. And most of the infoboxes are enough alike that, even if we have to redo them, we can do it once and update twenty or so templates quickly. But some of them are designed in ways that are incompatible with the Nifty scripts, so we might have to recreate them--particularly anything with alternate or variable colors. I messed around with the character box, for example, and it might prove challenging. The nice thing is we can pretty much spend as long as we want getting them working on the other site, and then copy them over here when they're working. Some other snags: it's not going to work very well with pages that have more than one blurb without some redesign work. It's manageable, all in all, but I wanted to make sure we agree it's worthwhile before we start ripping stuff apart.--Hardvice (talk) 23:18, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Did things really look that bad using IE7? Or did they just look different? Maybe it's just easier for me to force everyone that comes here to install Firefox. :) I wouldn't do that, but I can wish. (Admin 23:45, 30 September 2007 (EDT))
        • Mostly just different. The square boxes look so primitive now that I'm used to the rounded ones. I think that's the reason for my hesitation: as Morrissey would put it, "such a little thing, but the difference it made was grave".--Hardvice (talk) 00:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Please Change my Username

  • So I tried to change my username via move. It didn't work. I tried changing my nickname and some redirects. Close, but no cigar. Could you pretty please change my username to Yatta!? If you think it'll confuse people between the User and the article, don't sweat it and I'll just stick with Danielandthelions (NissanVersaDootDoot 18:17, 5 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Haha. Check your talk page, we were thinking the same thing. I'll rename your account now. (Admin 18:18, 5 October 2007 (EDT))

Heidi Change

  • Hi, I was wondering why you reverted a grammatical clean-up I made to the Heidi Petrelli article, specifically her "Four Months Later" reference? The original sentence has no period and isn't as explanatory as it could be. The revert comment, "restoring original perspective", also bewilders me; I'm certain my structuring maintains the perspective of a viewer and not of someone in-universe or otherwise. (Revengeance 12:42, 7 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Hey there. The revision got reverted because on the Heidi Petrelli when I saw your change on 10/1 it looked like it had just been rewritten to be from Angela and Nathan's perspective instead of from Heidi's perspective (plus I didn't notice any drastic issues with the way it was written originally). Since it's Heidi's article it makes more sense for it to be written from her perspective. If you'd like to correct any grammar and ensure that it remains from Heidi's perspective, that'd be great! Hope this helps. :) (Admin 13:17, 7 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Your edit was, as you correctly stated, in the perspective of a viewer. The correct perspective for in-universe articles like Heidi's is an in-universe perspective. You're right, the sentence is missing a period, so I just added one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:22, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Thanks for answering. I'm sorry, but I don't know if I'm thinking of "Heidi's perspective" in the same way you are. You don't mean that a sentence like, for example, "Heidi left Nathan" should be rewritten through Heidi's eyes as "I left Nathan", do you? (Revengeance 14:02, 7 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Instead of saying the perspective was off, I probably should have said that the summary should be "centered on Heidi". More specifically, if Heidi remains the subject of the sentence rather than being in the predicate then the summary should be good. (Admin 14:05, 7 October 2007 (EDT))
      • As for your question about first vs. third person: the correct perspective is still in the third person, but as though the world of Heroes is real (avoiding mentions of scenes, episodes, viewers, commercial breaks, and the like). I personally don't see a perspective issue (though, arguably, "it is unknown" could be seen as being the viewer's perspective).--Hardvice (talk) 14:47, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, I sort of understand what RyanGibsonStewart was talking about now. I didn't get the main perspective used around here because for one, I'm used to Wikipedia's viewer-oriented perspective and two, I hadn't even noticed the difference to begin with. Well, I guess I learnt something. Thanks again. (Revengeance 08:01, 8 October 2007 (EDT))

Hardvice... Ryan... which if you haven't been to sleep yet? :)

  • Amusingly enough, I can probably get both of your attention by just posting on my own user page. :) I seem to have forgotten to go to sleep tonight. Oops. (Admin 06:47, 9 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Ditto.--Hardvice (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, don't you love nights like that? ... I went to sleep, and woke up about 45 minutes ago (which is later than usual for me). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I am about to rectify my lack of sleep. See y'all in a couple hours.--Hardvice (talk) 06:56, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Re: German wiki administrators

  • If i have to name a user or two, then it would be Taco and Muffin84, they've been doing quite a lot lately and are open for discussion etc. Waldmeister 04:58, 13 October 2007 (EDT)


  • How can this seem to be correct? It's most certainly not correct by any stretch of the imagination. A plural noun does not to be made plural! Geez, I have a degree in English and Speech Communication or it probably wouldn't even bother me. I don't understand why the totally incorrect, unsupported form of the word is being used when it is very readily and easily available to find the correct usage. Look here: or here Using -es on a proper noun that ends in -s is just wrong. Using -es AND apostrophe is just doubly wrong because it is redundant and incorrect. "If a singular proper noun ends in s, add an apostrophe."
    • Look here it is right from the University of Oregon: If a singular proper noun ends in s, add an apostrophe.
      • It's not singular, though, it's plural. We're referring to the home of the family named Sanders which can be called The Sanderses for instance. (Admin 19:46, 14 October 2007 (EDT))
    • To quote the second link:

Some writers will say that the -s after Charles' is not necessary and that adding only the apostrophe (Charles' car) will suffice to show possession. Consistency is the key here: if you choose not to add the -s after a noun that already ends in s, do so consistently throughout your text. William Strunk's Elements of Style recommends adding the 's. (In fact, oddly enough, it's Rule Number One in Strunk's "Elementary Rules of Usage.") You will find that some nouns, especially proper nouns, especially when there are other -s and -z sounds involved, turn into clumsy beasts when you add another s: "That's old Mrs. Chambers's estate." In that case, you're better off with "Mrs. Chambers' estate."

    • Emphasizing consistency, this site does not drop the possessive "s", but keeps it. --Bob 19:46, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
      • That's a different issue. That's referring to singular names. The whole issue here is that we're using the names in the plural. (i.e. The Sanderses went out to dinner.) (Admin 19:49, 14 October 2007 (EDT))
        • The point is this site adds something totally incorrect and irrelevant. It does not need -es and an apostrophe. The -es is totally superfluous and wrong. If you want to leave it up that is fine, but it is not correct. "Sanders" is a singular proper noun that ends in -s, therefore adding the apostrophe makes it plural and possessive.

Re: Long day

Ha, I couldn't remember if I was supposed to reply in my discussion page or not, but I digress. But you guys are right, the standards say if it's common it should be used. When it comes to that, I usually use the List of Comic Book Superpowers - I didn't see anything. And in this case, "reflex" just throws me off. Heh, if you knew me in person you'd see how I correct people on term definitions all the time. It's actually quite annoying. But yeah, it just doesn't seem right.--Riddler 23:51, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I find it easier to just reply on the discussion page where it was started, but since it's here now I'll just continue it here. I wasn't the biggest fan of "photographic reflexes" originally either, but I'm coming around to it. It's got the benefit of being very similar to that Taskmaster guy, it was the term used by the National Enquirer for her power (they might have access to some good source of information because they've been very close on all their spoiler predictions so far), plus it follows the naming convention we're applying to all power names. No name will be loved by everyone... I still dislike plant manipulation for instance, but I've learned to just accept it and worry about other things instead. :) (Admin 23:55, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
    • I'm personally just hoping they re-name the god-awfully silly name in the show. Maybe Micah will make some boy-genius note about it. Also, alot of hyphens in this post. XD =P--Riddler 23:57, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, I agree. I wish Mohinder would get off his butt and continue with his father's research and name all these new powers once and for all! :) We need Hiro to bring Chandra back...he knows how to get this stuff done! (Admin 23:58, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
        • Seriously. We DO have full scientific names like "Rapid Cellular Regeneration." XD--Riddler 00:00, 16 October 2007 (EDT)


Is there a template or general guideline on how to order the things in the story development? I wanna check that out. --Riddler 00:02, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I'm not sure, I've never added anything to that section before. I'd say take a look at the past few episodes to get an idea what goes there and then just go to town. If anyone with experience working with that section sees something that needs to be changed I'm sure they will. (Admin 00:05, 16 October 2007 (EDT))
    • I took a look at the things in the last few episodes, they don't seem to be in any specific order; they're not in order of occurrence, they're not in ABC order... hmm...--Riddler 00:07, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
      • There's no standard. They're generally in order of appearance, but sometimes people will just add things in the end. I don't think it matters too much one way or the other, but it's probably best to put them generally in the order in which they appear. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:19, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
        • What I also noticed is that the episodes prior to Season Two have much less... the more recent ones seem to include everything even minor. Then again, I didn't go back ALL the way. Probably just a season starting thing.--Riddler 00:21, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
          • (Party on Admin's talk page!) Yeah, I noticed that, too, with Kindred. I almost deleted all the guards, since I don't remember listing such minor characters and plot points, but I guess they're not hurting anything.--Hardvice (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Comments, people! COMMENTS!

For the love of Uluru, is it possible to require comments for non-minor edits within particular namespaces? There is a barrage of uncommented edits after every show it seems. -- FissionChips 12:19, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I don't think it's possible to require them, but it's possible to set everyone by default to be prompted if they don't enter a comment. We discussed the matter a long time ago and the decision at the time was that we didn't want to confuse people by making it a default. If you want to start a new discussion about it and solicit feedback on the Community Portal you're welcome to. (Admin 12:22, 16 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Alrightie. Thanks for the direction. -- FissionChips 12:36, 16 October 2007 (EDT)


  • Hey there. The links that look like [[de:]] or [[fr:]] are interwiki links to articles on the translated versions of Heroes Wiki. Taco's an administrator over on the German Heroes Wiki so he's adding links to our articles so that on the left side it will say "In other languages" and German will be an option. Hope that helps! :) (Admin 16:39, 16 October 2007 (EDT))
    • So this is how it works!! I was searching for a link, and didn't find it, so I assumed it was a useless cat, and removed it. Thanks for the tips ;) Good to know! -- Frenchflo.gif (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Set-ups for new episodes

  • Does an admin have to do all the setting up for the next episode on Mondays (for example, add the checklist, update template:nextepisode, etc) or can anyone do it? --  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:04, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Anyone can do it. :) Very few things can only be done by admins... like deleting pages for instance. If it's not done already I'd say go for it! (Admin 12:06, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
      • I know there are sites like Lostpedia where all episode pages are protected until after airing; lots of templates are protected and so are many other pages. We really have never had a big problem with vandalism (knock on wood), but I think it's safe to say that our general philosophy is that there's no edit that can't be undone or fixed. Incidentally, all of the episode pages through 208 have already been set up with the general templates and layouts; they just need to be updated (a ton) once the episode airs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

The donation in behalf of sarmy

  • That's cool that you're donatin' $300 in the name of sarmy to Give Life (not affiliated with the Red Cross). I do believe a buncha fangirls who wanna "Be A Gray Girl" (note the anagram) are very appreciative of your contribution. They sure like gushin' about ZQ/Gabe/Sylar and the mentions they're receiving! Just wanted to say kudos, if it hasn't been said here yet. 'ROESian
    • Thanks. :) I think it'd be great if more groups/sites were working to help charitable causes, too. We're going to keep doing our part to help! (Admin 20:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Also, about charitable causes, are you all gonna be involved with Green Week, which is coming up the first full week of November? If you follow the links in that post about Green Week, you'll see that I put together the questions I asked (I made the 1st, 20th, and 21st comments here, though I forgot something in the 20th comment, so I used this name to not obviously look like a double post...) and the answers that Tim Kring and Jack Coleman gave during the Season 2 premiere live blog. One was about the community project Tim said he'd talk about, and he said he'd give more details in about a month to 6 weeks. That timing would coincide nicely with NBCU's and the HEROES involvement in Green Week. I already happened to Get On Board Now and donate money for some trees to reduce my carbon footprint, and it seems that, besides the Almighty Forest (also a bonus feature on the EA dvd, and I got the 1st tree in the 1st forest of the 1st island, along with the 6th tree of the 25th forest of the 9th island, which looks like the series premiere date of HEROES in the deeplink), it seems NBCU's commitment to working with the Conservation Fund extends to more than just the Evan Almighty movie. So, anyway, if you haven't thought about it, will you all get involved with going zero? 'ROESian
    • I hadn't heard about it until you mentioned it. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any announcements from Tim and then see what I can do. (Admin 19:50, 23 October 2007 (EDT))

Italian translation

Hi, I'm a fan of heroes and, if you want, I can help you with the italian translation. I need only to know where to start :)

  • Hey there. Do you know if others are interested in helping to translate the wiki into Italian as well? (Admin 12:00, 1 November 2007 (EDT))
    • No, i'm alone at the moment but I trying to find someone else. (Maouk 20:35, 2 November 2007 (EDT))

Spoiler Sources

If one wanted to post a spoiler, would be considered a viable source? Oh, and on the subject of CBR, this week I asked about who Whitebeard was based on, much like I did with Kensei way back in season 1. --PeterDawson 16:55, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

  • For the articles starting with "Spoiler" pretty much any identified public source is usually acceptable. And nice question, I hope they answer it again. I was thinking of sending one in asking them to definitively explain how Maya's power is working now that we all get the idea behind it. :) (Admin 16:58, 31 October 2007 (EDT))

Username Change

Hello - I have posted in the Administrator's Portal regarding adding the ability of name changes - would it be possible for you to manually change my name to 'User:eXplicit' please? If not possible, 'Explicit' will do. Thanks in advance and sorry to bother! --eXplicit 17:02, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Instead, then, could you change my username to just 'Explicit' please? Sorry if I'm being a pain! :( The capitalised X is bugging me --eXplicit 17:05, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Thanks a bunch <3 --eXplicit 17:11, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

help my custom blurb aint customing

I tried to make blurbs with a custom color on this page, but it didnt work. might you be able to fix?--SacValleyDweller (talk to me!) 23:01, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

  • Check it now. You were just missing the # in front of the color code. (Admin 23:03, 1 November 2007 (EDT))

Arthur Petrelli vs Mr. Petrelli

Pretty much every name used in the Heroes Mobile game at this point (Maury Parkman, Adam Monroe) has been canon, so I'm wondering if we should be assuming that Arthur is the correct name as well? --PeterDawson 00:49, 6 November 2007 (EST)

  • I wouldn't say we should "assume" it exactly. :) However the mobile game was created in conjunction with the Heroes writers in order to be accurate (and it's indeed proven to be accurate so far) so as far as our sources go I'd say information such as that is decently canonical. I wouldn't mind seeing the article renamed to "Arthur Petrelli." (Admin 00:59, 6 November 2007 (EST))

Failure to provide a conflict?

I just overrided your welcome to HeroesGirl, but I didn't get a conflict message. Maybe that's from lag?--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:26, 6 November 2007 (EST)

  • Did you add the Welcome template as well? If so check out the edit history. Your contribution just showed up as an additional section, not the welcome text. That would have been the wiki doing a successful diff between our revisions and then just merging the changes instead. (Admin 17:29, 6 November 2007 (EST))
    • Ah, I added the welcome template as well as an additional section. I guess I just learned the wiki will parse the sections differently and not show a conflict if there's an addition instead of repeat, when two people load the exact same text right after each other. That's cool.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:57, 6 November 2007 (EST)
      • That's how it's supposed to work, yet still I end up getting conflicts from time to time in instances where it ought to be able to merge the changes itself. So just be glad it worked this time. :) (Admin 17:59, 6 November 2007 (EST))

Heroes Wiki Heroes

Judging on the page and some of the discussion (now that I have some back up in Yoeri I expect it to run very smoothly, he's a smart kid), do you think it's time to move it to a mainspace? Also, should it be "Heroeswiki Heroes" since it's, or "Heroes Wiki Heroes"? We have a logo made if you wanna go check it out. :D--Riddler 21:36, 7 November 2007 (EST)


  • Hey, I don't know if anyone already did this for you, but since I saw this here I gave it a try, let me know if it's ok or if it needs editing. Heroes wiki button.jpg--MeliPetrelli 07:46, 9 November 2007 (EST)
  • Do you have a link to the original "Are you on the list?" animation? To see what I can do ???--MeliPetrelli 07:46, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Content Question

  • I posted an episode summary "spoiler" under the talk section of the episode "Powerless." Isn't this the correct place to put unpublished spoilers concerning future episodes? The reason I ask is because it was promptly deleted by [User:Lost Soul] on the grounds that spoilers of this kind are not appropriate for this forum. If episode summary spoilers are not welcome, why do we have a spoilers section to begin with? He laments that he "accidentally read it," which is the whole reason we have spoilers posted in a separate section, away from general content. I request permission to undo this overreaching censorship, and restore the deleted page for review, commentary, and updates from those who choose to read it. Thanks! --TRECORD-- Talk/Contrib 16:34, 9 November 2007 (EST)
    • Hey there. You did put it on the right page. Spoiler talk:Powerless is an appropriate place for spoilers. Lost Soul's comment as it was reverted was "remove; we don't, as far as I know, do full spoilers, i.e. whole episode summaries (I tried to avoid reading it and caught something by mistake, which is the exact reason". I think Lost Soul was trying to play it safe, but I do believe the information is appropriate (I haven't actually read it). That is, as you point out, the whole reason for separate Spoiler articles. Those wishing to avoid spoilers need to stay away from any article named "Spoiler" which is why I don't usually visit them until after the episode has aired. There aren't really degrees of spoilers. A spoiler page may spoil something minor, or it may spoil something huge. It's a risk you take when visiting a spoiler page. :) (Admin 16:40, 9 November 2007 (EST))
    • Thanks admin. I'll restore it if it hasn't been already. Even though it's on a "spoiler" page, I'll add the red spoiler tag to be extra safe. Cheers. --TRECORD-- Talk/Contrib 16:43, 9 November 2007 (EST)
      • Out of courtesy you can always add something at the top that says "Major spoilers below" or something if there are significant spoilers just to give the casual spoiler reader a heads up. (Admin 16:44, 9 November 2007 (EST))
      • I'll add that right now. --TRECORD-- Talk/Contrib 16:46, 9 November 2007 (EST)
        • I'm also not positive if they belong on the Talk page or the main spoiler page since I don't read spoilers much. (Admin 16:46, 9 November 2007 (EST))
          • I'd prefer it on the talk page since it's so substantially larger and greater detail than the other spoilers on that page. The article has stuff about casting calls, but the talk has a full episode summary. So I'd leave it how it is.--Bob (talk) 16:55, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Rounded boxes, take two

So my good friends at Encyclopedia Dramatica have solved the rounded boxes on IE thing fairly well. They use two templates, one for the top and one for the bottom.

The top:

<div style="display: block; overflow: hidden; height: 4px; background-color: white;" align="center" width="100%">
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 5px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 3px 0px 3px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 2px 0px 2px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 1px 0px 1px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>

The bottom:

<div style="display: block; overflow: hidden; height: 4px; background-color: white;" align="center" width="100%">
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 1px 0px 1px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 2px 0px 2px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 3px 0px 3px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>
<div width="100%" style="margin: 0px 5px 0px 5px; background-color: {{{1}}}; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;"></div>

The results: (warning: may well contain filth & depravity at any given moment -- it's that sort of Wiki) Click Me

Interesting. All HTML/CSS.--Hardvice (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2007 (EST)

  • Looks nice, what's their copyright situation?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:52, 12 November 2007 (EST)
    • They're pretty copyleft. I'll check their license, but I can get permission if need be. They love me, even though I'm now a retired troll.--Hardvice (talk) 01:56, 12 November 2007 (EST)
  • Okay, I got this working:
    • New browser-independent blurbs: template:newblurb, template:newblurbclose
      • Works very well. No borders, since it's just stacked divs, though we could trick it using border-top, border-left, border-right, and border-bottom (maybe--might end up looking very staggery).
      • One problem: the variable color= needs to be set in the top and bottom calls. No big deal, but it means we can't just replace the current blurb templates and have everything work.
    • Test of the character box using new blurbs: template:character box/test (example Petrelli}}&oldid=126020 here)
      • A bit fiddly to get set up, but looks good. No major problems, but the lack of borders means we might need to change some color combos--Hardvice (talk) 03:04, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • Borders kind of work. They look a bit jagged, but not as bad as I expected.--Hardvice (talk) 03:24, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Bot tasks

Saw the comment on Hardvice's page about bot's. Any chance bots would help in making Portal a namespace? Also, can there be a bot that sets something like "Current episode checklist" and "Current graphic novel checklist" when Project Reborn and Godsend, Part 5 are changed?--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2007 (EST)

  • I can look into writing a bot that would handle all the grunt work involved with moving pseudonamespace articles into a real namespace. Could you elaborate on the "current episode checklist" suggestion? (Admin 03:24, 12 November 2007 (EST))
    • That would be awesome if a bot could do that work on the pseudonamespace. I'll explain what I mean about the checklists. When an episode airs or a graphic novel is released, there are certain redirects that need to be set. Some of them are subsets of the other, but do to restrictions of using templates with redirects, you can't make some of the redirects as dynamic as would be desired. For instance, each week we used to update the "Current episode checklist" and "Current graphic novel checklist" redirects, which are used on "Current events". Templates "currentep" and "currentgn" were made so that "Current events" and other pages that referenced the current episode and graphic novel titles could be accessed dynamically. However, that meant that they had to be replaced on the article itself, not on the redirect page. So now if you click on "Current episode checklist" and "Current graphic novel checklist", it takes you to "Current events". It's a soft redirect for people who have linked externally to those pages. However, with a bot, perhaps tasks like updating those redirects and the ones for the "Heroes Interactive", etc., could be automated, eliminating some of the tasks required for each release.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Bob Bishop

  • Do you want to comment on whether it's ok to rename Bob to Bob Bishop?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:56, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • I don't really have a comment on it. It looks like the discussion is proceeding logically. :) (Admin 00:59, 14 November 2007 (EST))
      • Ok, guess I'll call for a consensus vote. Looks like there is one, just figured we didn't need one in this case.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:03, 14 November 2007 (EST)
        • I'd say just rename it. It doesn't look like there's any opposition. (Admin 01:04, 14 November 2007 (EST))

Bot request

I'm not sure the best place to make a request for the bot, but I want to clean out Category:Miscellaneous Art. Is it possible to have the bot change any images in that category which have the word "trading card" in the title to be in Category:Trading Cards? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:50, 15 November 2007 (EST)

  • Sure, I think that should be pretty easy as well. (Admin 00:21, 16 November 2007 (EST))
  • Should other categories like Category:Miscellaneous Art be removed in the process? If so should they be removed from any other categories as well in the process? (Admin 02:31, 17 November 2007 (EST))
  • Yes, the Miscellaneous Art category should be removed from images that are going into the Trading Cards category. I don't know what you mean by removing other categories in the process--I don't think the trading cards are in any other categories other than Category:Miscellaneous Art or [:Category:Trading Cards]]. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:11, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Another bot request

  • In Category:Characters, can we change instances of {{theories|page=EH}} or {{theories|page=people}} to {{theories}}?
    • Ok, check it out now. (Admin 02:29, 17 November 2007 (EST))
      • Awesomesauce. I am loving this bot.--Hardvice (talk) 02:36, 17 November 2007 (EST)
        • ...and it will only get better once I get this new feature working that will start at Category:Categories and recursively scan all of the articles here. (Admin 02:50, 17 November 2007 (EST))

What the-?

Why isn't my signature substituting anymore? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:35, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Abilities vs. Powers

While we were debating whether to globally switch from "powers" to "abilities" for article naming and content, some people went ahead and began the swap. Lost Soul and I have asked for the changes to be reverted, but Ryan and Hardvice are biased in favor of the change and appear to disagree about the revert. I think this needs to be taken care of before Heroes airs tonight, if we are going to do a revert. The discussion is on Talk:Portal:Abilities and Talk:List of abilities.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2007 (EST)

  • As far as article naming is concerned I think we've always referred to them a powers. To use both power and ability interchangably in article names is confusing. So, yes, article names should use the term "power" unless there's consensus on a global change from power to ability (specifically in article naming). In terms of the text of an article I'd agree that power and ability are fairly interchangable. (Admin 17:51, 19 November 2007 (EST))
    • As an update, it doesn't matter to me whether they're called "powers" or "abilities" as long as whichever term is being used is done so consistently across all articles. (Admin 18:02, 19 November 2007 (EST))

Changing usernames

How does one go about changing their username? User:Comet contacted me and would like to change his username to User:RobW. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2007 (EST)

  • I have to manually update the database to rename a user. I'll rename him now. (Admin 13:29, 23 November 2007 (EST))

Capitalization request

All of our headings are capitalized ("Character History" vs. "Character history", for example). After the bot got done changing the powers sections for all the evolved humans, that section was left the only one that is lower case. Is it possible to have the bot go back and change all headings that say "Evolved human abilities" to "Evolved Human Abilities"? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:44, 24 November 2007 (EST)

  • Certainly. :) (Admin 15:46, 24 November 2007 (EST))

Memorable Quotes

I don't know what's the problem with quotes, that are about the character but not being said by it. Look on the Kaito Nakamura page, there's a quote from Hiro's blog ever since... BloodyFox 22:18, 24 November (CEST)

  • There's been a bit of conversation about this before. I'm under the impression that it's okay to have quotes on a character's page so long as the quote illustrates who the character is, even if the character didn't speak it himself. There's a great quote by Linderman on Jessica's page, too. That said, I don't think Angela's quote on Matt's page says anything about Matt's character--the scene does, but not the quote. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:35, 24 November 2007 (EST)
  • I removed them at first, but reverted my change soon after to restore the quotes. My initial thought when I saw a quote that talked about a character, but wasn't by that character was to remove it. Afterwards as I thought about it I considered that the memorable quotes section of a particular character's article need not necessarily be restricted to quotes by that character him/herself. Given there's no shortage of good quotes by any given character I feel like we could easily restrict the section to just quotes by the character him/herself, but felt that for now including quotes that are only about that character wasn't hurting anything so I defaulted to that position for now. :) (Admin 16:51, 24 November 2007 (EST))

Another request for the bot...

Episode talk:Truth and Consequences#Ampersand in title -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:44, 27 November 2007 (EST)

More Ampersand Fun

The ampersand fix seems to have broken the edit links on a lot of the templates. CF template:index. I'll look into it more and see if we can use template:querylink to get around it, but though I'd bring it to your attention.--Hardvice (talk) 01:23, 28 November 2007 (EST)

  • Atcually, the ones using querylink seem to be the problem. I'll see if I can update the template.--Hardvice (talk) 01:25, 28 November 2007 (EST)
    • Glancing at it quickly I think the way they're handled currently is broken, but the broken ampersand support was causing it to work. Cute. Basically if we're going to have HTML links (like we do with the edit links) we need to make sure we're manually calling index.php in the process. "Article&action=edit" is literally that article. We need "/index.php?title=Article&action=edit" if we're creating HTML links manually. (Admin 01:28, 28 November 2007 (EST))
      • Yeah, I just did that and it works. Makes sense.--Hardvice (talk) 01:30, 28 November 2007 (EST)
        • Not quite, the linktext on querylink wasn't parsing multi-worded namespaces correctly, though I just added urlencode to the querylink and now it works.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2007 (EST)
  • Category:Images from Truth and Consequences, Category:Images from Fathers and Daughters need to be fixed. -Lөvөl 02:34, 28 November 2007 (EST)
    • Perfect work for the bot. I'll run it on the categories later today to recategorize the images. (Admin 03:26, 28 November 2007 (EST))
      • Didn't even need the bot since most of the images were just using a template to auto-categorize them so just had to update the template. (Admin 15:38, 28 November 2007 (EST))

Is the Ampersand fix global?

So is this patch for the Ampersand function global on the server? i.e. does the querylink template need to be patched on Bionic Wiki and for the other languages of Heroes Wiki?--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2007 (EST)

  • It has to be patched for each of the different sites. It's only patched here for now. If no problems arise then I'll be patching the other sites soon as well. (Admin 20:02, 28 November 2007 (EST))

Category transclusions

When you transclude a category, it prints the category article, but not the list of articles in the category. Do you know of any way to print the list of articles in a category on an article? I'm mostly just curious, but the list of Category:Cast articles without real-world images would be useful on my IMDb links page, and I'm guessing lists of stubs, lists of articles with the rename tag, etc. could also be useful on other pages (for one, a list of images to be reuploaded on Heroes Wiki:Requested Screen Captures).--Hardvice (talk) 21:48, 29 November 2007 (EST)

  • I dont know of a way to do it currently, but is this the kind of thing you had in mind? (Admin 21:56, 29 November 2007 (EST))
    • That looks like it would do it, but it may not be worth the effort for the limited number of uses it would see.--Hardvice (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • Actually, the more I look at that extension, the more useful I can see it being in other contexts. We could create dynamic See Also sections--for example, we could list everyone from Category:Characters with the Mark in the See Also section of The mark, and stuff like that.--Hardvice (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • I would find it useful here and there for my own personal maintenance of categories. But using it in See Also sections is a fantastic idea, especially with collapsible tables for larger categories. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • Reading up on the output formats, we could even use it to make navbars dynamic -- have it automatically output all of the articles in, say, Category:Items on one line, alphabetized, delimited by bullets. As soon as an article hits the category, it would appear on the navbar. How cool is that?--Hardvice (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • Very cool. I haven't looked at the extension in detail, but I was wondering if it would help with navigating minor characters and guest stars. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)
            • Wow, I hadn't thought of that. The output format is customizable, so it can easily output a portal cell (or a nbl link). It can read information from article sections--it's possible that with an invisible "Image" section on each article, it could grab the image link, and ditto the sort name--and we can make the character box create those automatically. I don't know if there's a way to specify a start and stop range (have it print, say, the first fifteen articles in one template), but if so, it should be possible (though likely difficult at first) to have it auto-update the portals--at least until it comes time to add a new page.--Hardvice (talk) 22:36, 29 November 2007 (EST)
            • There are indeed "count" and "offset" variables which would let, say, Portal 1 print articles 1-15, portal 2 print article 16-30, etc. It should be possible to automate the minor character portals. Now, getting it to select based on sortname rather than article name might be trickier, but I suspect it's possible.--Hardvice (talk) 22:40, 29 November 2007 (EST)
              • I went ahead and installed it. Enjoy. :) (Admin 22:41, 29 November 2007 (EST))
                • Thanks! I'm curious to see what it's capable of. Just brainstorming some ideas here, though, I think it's definitely a worthwhile extension for the site. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:44, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                  • There's excellent documentation here. Make sure to read the invocation syntax. We should probably just use the parser function method for uniformity and flexibility. (Admin 22:46, 29 November 2007 (EST))
                • Awesome. Works great. Now we just need to learn all the tricks.--Hardvice (talk) 22:49, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                  • This looks cool, and worthwhile for the other sites too. I'm just hoping that this doesn't slow down the Wiki too much. I guess we'll be finding out rather soon whether it does.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:03, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                    • Yeah, I always keep an eye on the load after adding a new extension. If it ends up being troublesome, it'll come out. (Admin 23:04, 29 November 2007 (EST))


While you're add it, can you upgrade us to the newest Winter extension so we can test the new sort functionality it has?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:27, 30 November 2007 (EST)

  • Winter isn't even installed on Heroes Wiki. It's on Bionic Wiki and I can update that version. (Admin 00:28, 30 November 2007 (EST))
    • No? I thought you had added it here too after you did some other upgrades in October. I guess I'm mistaken. I was hoping to use it here in conjunction with the new dpl extension.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:32, 30 November 2007 (EST)
      • The idea of layering those two extensions to work around a bug in DPL leaves a bad taste in my mouth. (Admin 00:33, 30 November 2007 (EST))
        • Hrm. I guess I'll take a looksey at the DPL perl code instead.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:37, 30 November 2007 (EST)
          • That would be helpful. I'd look at it eventually myself... I've just been swamped with work-work this week. (Admin 00:39, 30 November 2007 (EST))
      • The "bug" seems to be that it ignores the distinct=strict. I understand why it's getting multiple hits when I try to sort by sortkey: an article with multiple categories does indeed have multiple sortkeys (one for each category), so that kind of makes sense that it would generate multiple hits. But according to their documentation, distinct=strict should suppress that, and it isn't.--Hardvice (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2007 (EST)
        • My interpretation of the distinct keyword was different. I saw it as relating more to excluding an article when it's linked to several times. If you're only displaying the results of a single category then other categories shouldn't even come into play much less whether they have sortkeys associated with them. That's the behavior I'd expect at least. (Admin 00:43, 30 November 2007 (EST))
          • It does seem odd that changing the sort would affect the number of results, yeah.--Hardvice (talk) 00:48, 30 November 2007 (EST)
          • Is it related to this?--Hardvice (talk) 00:51, 30 November 2007 (EST)
            • You might want to ask if that has been fixed here.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:57, 30 November 2007 (EST)
              • It's throwing out some warnings into the error log as well. :| I'm not too pleased with this extension so far, it will probably be removed until it's more stable. This latest version's only been out for a few days and the previous version came out only about 2 weeks ago. (Admin 01:04, 30 November 2007 (EST))
              • It looks like Hardvice found some arcane option that fixes the duplicates. Maybe we can leave it around then if there aren't any other glaring problems. (Admin 01:08, 30 November 2007 (EST))
                • Did he really? It looked like he had just removed the sortkey option and thus the names may not be sortting properly.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:11, 30 November 2007 (EST)
                  • It is indeed sorting properly by sortkey now, and excluding duplicates.--Hardvice (talk) 01:38, 30 November 2007 (EST)
                • For some reason, you have to specify which categories to print (even though you've already selected which categories to select by) by preceeding them with a plus sign. This makes sense if you're selecting off of multiple categories and printing to sections, but it's a little odd that you have to specify which ones when you're generating a simple list.--Hardvice (talk) 01:37, 30 November 2007 (EST)