Talk:Mental manipulation

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources	Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources	Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine mental manipulation's name.

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December 2006-December 2007

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Could the Hatian's ability of memory manipulation be his only power?

I think that something like neurocognitive deficit is too wordy, although i think mental manipulation is an inaccurate term, its one that is not as wordy.

Could perhaps that the Haitian's blocking ability is related to his memory erasure, like the Haitian makes the mind forget they either had an ability or know how to use it subconsciously. horrorman 20:47, 11 December 2007 (EST)

• They're definitely related somehow. People certainly don't forget that they have powers, since many of them try to use them in his presence. It's possibly he's instead causing them to forget how to activate their powers; however, were that the case, it seems likely that the effect would be permanent, like his memory erasures. Instead, the effect only lasts while they are in his presence.--Hardvice (talk) 22:59, 11 December 2007 (EST)

It's seems to make memories forget permanently he must be in physical contact range to do so i.e. with his hand over their eyes. But perhaps with abilities he can induce an electrical signal of sorts sometimes unwittingly as we see with his father that makes the subconscious deactivate the triggering mechanism. It doesn't affect inherit powers either because he allows them to be active, or due to their passive nature and therefore not requiring concentration he cannot shut off the trigger. horrorman 23:03, 11 December 2007 (EST)

• • I think that his ability is MEMORY DELETION. He seems to require physical contact to make the forgetting permanent but at a distance especially with evolved humans he makes them forget the subconscious triggers of their powers. Passive powers are simply activated constantly in the conscious mind and it requires no triger so he [The Haitian] cannot negate it. And for active powers if you struggle hard enough (causing injury or nosebleeds(Fallout)).horrorman 12:00, 12 December 2007 (EST)
    • Consider this analogy that, while complete speculation, may help understand how The Haitian's power could work. I don't know how many people have ever tried placing a magnet near a CRT television (which are becoming less and less common nowadays), but a magnet will discolor the image (don't try this out on a good television, please). If you leave the magnet close to the television for too long the discoloration becomes permanent. His powers may work in a similar way. He may be able to interfere with the part of the brain that manifests the abilities. When he erases memories he could be using more intensity so that the interference leaves a permanent effect (like the magnet above). If his power works along these lines there are some interesting possibilities... could he kill someone by interfering with autonomic parts of the brain? It's interesting (albeit complete speculation on my part). (Admin 12:29, 12 December 2007 (EST))

I think this may be true, he seems ot have caused significant brain damage to Mrs. Bennet such as a hemorrage and complete memory loss at times. He must use a sort of electrical signal to kill the brain cells.

horrorman 12:44, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Could the Haitians ability be lethal?

• The Haitian was able to turn his villagers into mindless zombies by simply reaching in and taking their memories. Could he perhaps erase the brains capability of working, killing them?

horrorman 18:17, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Remove rename

• So are we all in agreement that there's not enough evidence to say that "neurocognitive deficit" is explicitly a reference to the Haitian's power and/or its effects? If so, we should remove the rename.--Hardvice (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • I am. that change would have been an eyesore. Although to me it would be like that time the Anaheim Angels thought they changed their name to The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:35, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • Yeah, there's no evidence neurocognitive deficit is related. I pulled the rename template.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:42, 13 December 2007 (EST)

"Call in a Nullifier! Call in the Haitian!"

Nullification? As of the newest Graphic Novel, at least. --Riddler 04:12, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

• Unfortunately, the comment isn't the same as explicitly saying the Haitian's ability is "ability nullification". The Haitian can both nullify abilities and erase memories, so that's why we have mental manipulation. I see what you're saying, though. See talk:constriction for a similar discussion.--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:39, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
• When it comes to this ability name I'd really like to see the writers (or an actual episode of the show) give us a name for it. It's an ability we've seen for so long and is complicated to completely qualify with a single term so it'd be nice to have an authoritative source explicitly name it. An assignment tracker page would be fantastic. (hint hint) (Admin 10:43, 15 July 2008 (EDT))
• One could say he nullifies the target's memory. Also, the debate has been going on for so long now, if a profile was created, odds are the writers would just call it mental manipulation, like what happened with mediumship. --Yamawhata? 17:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Mediumship? Huh? RD Hall called it that before we even really had the page created. In fact, he sent me an email after our interview and asked me if we had created the page yet. By coincidence, we had used the same name he said. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:50, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Heh. FWIW, that was kind of a Neil Armstrong moment there, as regards to the RD Hall interview... When I transcribed that part of the interview, I guess I wasn't really able to make out what he had said. I thought he had said "Medium receptive" (as is documented in my initial transcription here). It was clarified afterwards that he meant "Mediumship" and supposedly had also said that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
      • The impression I got from the mediumship page was that the writer borrowed our term for it. Sorry if I got it wrong. I was also thinking about intuitive aptitude, which I am sure we came up with long before they did. --Yamawhata? 16:46, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Effects on Human Memory correction

Quote in question:

"Noah explains to Ivan that the Haitian can remove specific memories, insinuating that this ability was previously unknown to Ivan."

IIRC, Noah actually states that his friend here has learned a new trick, so it's actually confirmed more than insinuated that Ivan didn't know about the selective memory removal.

Stevehim 04:40, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Better Pic

Who about when he puts his hand into Peters head?--Skywalkerrbf 16:12, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

• I don't understand what you're saying. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:32, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I believe he's saying there should be a different lead picture for the article, more specifically one of him putting his hand on Peter's head. I personally don't even remember that.--Riddler 20:44, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • This one? I think the lead image we have now is fine. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:02, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Ew. Definitely.--Riddler 21:11, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Explanation of speculation removal - power affecting different abilities

The idea that the Haitian's powers affect different abilities to different degrees is speculation, as we don't know if he was using his power or not (especially since all of the instances involve a Petrelli, and he was secretly working for Angela at the time of each incident), and should not be present in the body of the article. Any ideas in that regard should probably go in the notes section, or be designated unknown (eg - "It is unknown if the Haitian's power equally affects all abilities"). --Stevehim 09:59, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Examples of abilities blocked

When was the Haitian's power shown to stop sound manipulation or enhanced strength? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

• The Haitian blocked both in the graphic novel where Knox and Jesse are captured by Noah and him (Graphic Novel:The Sting of Injustice).--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:28, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
  • But they're not up there now...? -- FlamingTomDude 21:17, 16 November 2008 (EST)
    • That's because they're using a template that needs to be deleted. I'll take care of it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Telepathy

I believe this power to be a derived form of Telepathy, as telepaths can steal memories (as told to us by Arthur Petrelli). Perhaps the Haitian is just really good at certain aspects of Telepathy (power nullification) and not good at others (mind reading).--Oxico 07:39, 13 November 2008 (EST)

He didn't steal Angela's memories, he altered them, which is not the same thing as erasing them. Linderman said he erased them, so it might be possible, but there are other abilities that though different can cause the same effects, this is just one of them. Intuitive Empath 10:43, 13 November 2008 (EST)

I don't know it's just too similar.--Oxico 19:24, 19 November 2008 (EST)

• I know what you mean. But to elaborate on your comments, maybe its not because the Haitian isn't good at mind reading and the like, we just haven't seen the Haitian use his ability like Matt. Titan3510 18:54, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Arthur and Hiro

Arthur's intention was to erase only those memories Hiro gained on his spirit walk, but due to Ando's interruption and Arthur's preoccupation with one of Usutu's paintings of an eclipse, he mistakenly erased years worth of Hiro's memory, leaving Hiro in the mentality that he was ten years old. When did this come up? I don't remember hearing that in an episode... --Yamawhata? 21:21, 4 December 2008 (EST)

It was confirmed in one of the most recent "Behind the Eclipse" interviews. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:29, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Then the BTE interview needs to be linked as a source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Confirmation of Peter having Absorbed MM

If Arthur stole it from Peter and used it on Hiro, this confirms that Peter had absorbed it (and thus should have been capable of mimicking it). Should Peter Petrelli (exposed future) be listed as a confirmed user then, since he informed Claire in the gn Resistance that he "made her forget" things before? GabrielPetrelli 09:09, 24 December 2008 (EST)

• Authur made Angela forget that he wanted to kill nathan this was before he made Hiro forget (I cant remeber which episode this appeared in), she only regained he memory when Linderman healed them. laughingdevilboy
  • I thought it was believed that he was using Telepathy then, and was altering her mind to believe falsehoods about Nathan that led her to a conclusion that Nathan needed to die. There's no evidence that she was having memories erased, but rather altered. GabrielPetrelli 09:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)
• We would need confirmation that Peter is where Arthur got it from first. Listing things under the 'exposed' section on the various Peter pages means he has absorbed it (imo), but we don't list things under mimicked until he actually displays the ability (eg - if Arthur had used Molly's power to locate Hiro in Africa, we wouldn't go and list Peter as having mimicked it at an unknown time). If we have confirmation that Arthur got mental manipulation from Peter, it would be closer to being able to say for sure that 'make you forget' meant Future Peter was using it, but I still think it's speculative, as he could have been using another power to do so as well. A similar scenario would be if Peter said 'I've seen the future.' We wouldn't know if he was using precognition, precognitive dreaming, or space-time manipulation, and so we couldn't assume one or another without confirmation. --Stevehim 09:19, 24 December 2008 (EST)
  • I'd have to rewatch the episode for the wording, but under telepathy we currently list (in Arhtur's section):

"Arthur was already an experienced user of telepathy in April 2006. He can use this ability to read thoughts, project thoughts, control a person's behavior and personality, and alter a person's memories. According to Daniel Linderman, lasting telepathic alterations, such as constant mind control or erasing memories, to a person's mind leave "scars" but evolved humans possessing the ability of healing or regeneration can counter memory loss by healing the scars."

Does anyone recall if Linderman used the word 'erase' in that episode? --Stevehim 09:22, 24 December 2008 (EST)

I'm sadly at work today, but I can try to check later if no one else can. I appreciate your points though; your example of the "I've seen the future" line is a good one. I guess it comes down to what telepathy is confirmed to be capable of? GabrielPetrelli 09:33, 24 December 2008 (EST)

The episode doesn't appear to be online anymore, so I can't check, and sadly it is long gone from the DVR (since it's my roommate's). If there was no specific mention or indication that the memories were erased as opposed to altered, however, then we should credit Future Peter with mental manipulation, and change all comments about telepathy erasing menmories to it altering them (eg - on the episode page, on the telepathy page, on Arthur's page, etc). Do you (or anyone else) have a way to view the episode again, to see if erasure was stated or implied anywhere? --Stevehim 09:39, 24 December 2008 (EST)

It's still on my DVR. Do you happen to know the name of that episode? GabrielPetrelli 09:54, 24 December 2008 (EST)

It was Villains -- laughingdevilboy 15:05, 24 December 2008 (GMT)

Arthur kept bombarding Angela's mind with "it has to be done" messages. When Linderman spoke with Angela, she remembered that Arthur had something important to do, that it had to be done, but she couldn't quite remember what it was. That suggests to me that telepathy doesn't actually erases memories, but blocks them somehow. She knew she knew something, she just couldn't pinpoint what she knew. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:08, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Behind the Eclipse specifically noted that Arthur used the Haitian's ability to erase Hiro's mind.--Referos 12:53, 24 December 2008 (EST)

• He might of used telepathy I just interrupted it that he had made her forget as in using MM. laughingdevilboy 14:23, 24 December 2008 (GMT)

What the hell are you arguing about? You complete biscuit munchers! Oh and Geraldine McQueen is a good match for you laughingdevilboy. Who is laughing now? Ha ha ha!