Talk:Rebel

Redirect

Should Libertad redirect to the graphic novel page? Then this page should probably be renamed "Libertad (character)". Any thoughts? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• why are we calling them libertad when they signed their text "Rebel" and on of the upcomming episode descriptions calls the character "Rebel" --Action Figure 21:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Great point, I hadn't thought of that. Libertad really should redirect to Graphic Novel:Libertad, and this page should be moved to Rebel. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • But as I noted at Graphic Novel talk:Libertad, the character is not actually signing the text "Rebel", but asking everyone he/she texts to rebel. It is speculative to say the character is calling him/herself "rebel", but it is not speculative that the introduction says the character is called "Libertad" (I already had fixed the Libertad graphic novel links to avoid the standard graphic novel links pointing to the character).--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • I think Ryan needs to get an interview with Rebel to clear all this up. He had good luck with Evs Droppr, so it shouldn't be too hard for him. --Piemanmoo 23:02, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • HA! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • I'm not so sure about the Rebel part. I took it that the person was using his name as a verb, taking advantage of this connection to make the traffickers believe that he is real. The traffickers refer to the character as "Rebel", and when the "Rebel & be saved" message pops up, they are convinced that Rebel is someone helping them. Also, if you look at this spoiler page, you'll see that the mysterious ally is named Rebel. --Radicell 06:57, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • They say "Rebel told me...", "Rebel sends you..." --Juba 07:19, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • Right. The characters in the story are assuming Rebel is his name, but it's actually a message that Libertad is sending. Libertad says in the novel, "I'm sending everyone a message, rebel". Then Libertad goes on to say "They take from it what they want".--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)
            • So Libertad is just a messenger?--Alen76 13:36, 12 February 2009 (EST)
              • Yeah, kind of like Evs Dropper was; but, instead of warning about the Company, Libertad warns about Danko's team. He/she seems to like making references to South American culture too.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2009 (EST)
                • I still think that "Libertad" is the idea in our head about "Freedom", and "---Rebel" is clearly the signature of the SMS! --Juba 04:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Rename article "Rebel"

I really think this needs to be renamed, agreeing with Juba. We've pretty much used the name Rebel everywhere else on the site, and the text messages that Claire gets are all signed Rebel, not ended with a verb telling Claire to rebel. I've added a rename tag. --Radicell 03:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Agreed. Two episodes (with multiple text messages signed as "rebel") seem to outweigh one graphic novel in my eyes. -Thunderforge 11:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Yeah, Rebel would be better.--Alen76 12:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)

On top of that the Indian woman from episode Building 26 said a fax came in for Hiro and Ando from Rebel.--OutbackZack 13:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)

The graphic novel says the character is named Libertad, but in the episode everyone refers to Rebel. It's debatable as to whether it actually is the name he/she desires and whether it is actually a signature, but it's the most common usage now so that's what we should use according to past experience. I think it's okay to change it. Where the Libertad name comes from and where it is noted should probably be in the notes section, since the graphic novel is very explicit about the name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)

So, I think that's kinda settled. What do moderators think? Will you change the name?--Alen76 15:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I don't mind it being now, since technically there is consensus. However, some people get upset when people switch so fast without allowing more input, so it's probably a good idea to wait at least till tonight for others to comment.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I say change to "Rebel", it's what is used in the show. --Powermimic 22:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I think the move was a good idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)

First Mentioned

Currently, it says that Rebel is first mentioned in Libertad but shouldn't it be Trust and Blood? Bacon warrior 16:34, 17 February 2009 (EST)

That is true. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Ok, it's been fixed.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)

When?

• I was just wondering when was said character ever refered to Libertad? What ep/novel? --Lolwut 12:30, 18 February 2009 (EST)
  • It's been used twice. The introduction of Graphic Novel:Libertad explicitly says that the character's name is Libertad. Also, there is a painting on the side of a wall in the novel that says "Viva Libertad!". I'm guessing that's something Harmon painted.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)

GN Character

I'll move this page to "Rebel" since there appears to be a consensus. However, why is this guy a GN character? He didn't explicitly "appear" in Libertad, he was mentioned. However, he was also mentioned in episodes, so shouldn't he be similar to Samson Gray, in that he hasn't appeared yet but has been mentioned? Plus the image we're using for him is from the episodes too. --Radicell 05:47, 19 February 2009 (EST)

• I don't think he should be considered a graphic novel character. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Who is Rebel?

I have a good feeling Peter is Rebel, because at the end of Trust and Blood he is seen with a phone and says 'if we can find each other so can they.' He will also have Claire's number and seems a likely candidate. --Kay23 12:20, 22 February 2009

• Nice theory, but how does he know about the people they are after? for example Alex Woolsley or Angie? My theory is it is an evolved human with Electronic communication, or at a stretch Hana Gitelman, she could have survived being deleted. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 12:27, 22 February 2009 (EST)

• • Yeah, it could be Hana. It could even be Micah. But maybe it's a new character. Can't wait to find out!--Alen (talk) 12:59, 22 February 2009 (EST)
    • It could also be Richard Drucker, because he has Electronic communication, he could have perfectly survived being deleted. I think it's more likely that Rebel is Drucker than Hana, because in Hana's blog we can read the secret message "HG gone".--brunoar 01:27, 23 February 2009 (EST)
      • I used Hana as an example of a person with the ability, I think it is more likely that it is someone new, but I will keep my fingers crossed for Hana as I though she was a great character. :) --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 11:05, 23 February 2009 (EST)

• • • • • I personally think it is the long awaited SparrowMeesa yoda 19:43, 23 February 2009 (EST)
• I'm starting to think whoever it is its connected to Angela and Noah. They're up to something and it may be bringing down this new program.
• I definitely think it is Micah... both his parents are gone now, he may have been hunted already, realized what was going on, and is accessing the files/images/surveillance from Building 26 via his technopathy. THe text messages come thru very fast (close together) when Claire gets them, like the person who is sending them doesn't have to type. Also, in last week's BTE interview, they confirmed we would be seeing Micah again in this volume.--JessicaHeartsMatt 14:51, 24 February 2009 (EST)
• I was thinking Rebel might be HRG. He knows that Claire is not going to stay out of the action, so maybe he has decided to try and guide her to let her participate but to protect her at the same time. Jebriggs98 07:45, 25 February 2009 (EST)
  • That might make sense on one level, but I would be disappointed if that were the case. That means he would be working against himself. That means he sent Claire to save the Alex, whom he was going to collect. Hmm, I'd have to see some more development before I bought into that theory. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:36, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Rebel = Libertad?

I'm just curious, how do we know that Rebel is the same as Libertad from the graphics novel? Isn't this a bit speculative, or is there confirmation somewhere? AllUltima 13:50, 22 February 2009 (EST)

• The introduction to Graphic Novel:Libertad states that Libertad is the mysterious "friend" that sent Claire the "call to arms". Also, in the narration, that person says that he sends everyone a message, REBEL, and they take from it what they choose (he/she includes the word REBEL at the end of most messages and they assume it's a signature).--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2009 (EST)