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{{minus}} You don't need to have an power to have a good memory.<br /> |
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| [[The Haitian|The Haitian's]] ability has a secondary effect of enhanced memory. || [[The Crossroads]]: "Don't you need to write any of this down?" "Memory is not an issue for me." ([[Mohinder]] and the Haitian) || {{note}} It is plausible that someone who has demonstrable powers over erasure and recollection would possess this ability as well, unless there is more to enhanced memory than is currently known.<br /> |
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{{note}} Maybe he has the ability of "memory manipulation". Both his or the others ones.<br /> |
{{note}} Maybe he has the ability of "memory manipulation". Both his or the others ones.<br /> |
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:{{note}} That wouldn't account for the negation of other evolved human abilities.<br /> |
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{{minus}} You don't need to have an power to have a good memory.<br /> |
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{{minus}} He wasn't able to block Peter from using telekinesis (and possibly space/time manipulation) to stop the taser darts from hitting him, this might be an autonomic use of the Haitian's ability against him as Peter shouldn't be able to use telekinesis (or ANY ability) if it is blocked.<br /> |
{{minus}} He wasn't able to block Peter from using telekinesis (and possibly space/time manipulation) to stop the taser darts from hitting him, this might be an autonomic use of the Haitian's ability against him as Peter shouldn't be able to use telekinesis (or ANY ability) if it is blocked.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} [[The Haitian]] may have been out of the range that is required to affect abilities.<br /> |
:{{plus}} [[The Haitian]] may have been out of the range that is required to affect abilities.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Arthur displayed the Haitian's ability after absorbing Peter's powers.<br /> |
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| When Nathan escaped Mr. Bennet and the Haitian in ''[[Hiros]]'', the Haitian wasn't trying to block his ability at all. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian also saves Peter from the Company in ''[[Four Months Ago...]]''.<br /> |
| When Nathan escaped Mr. Bennet and the Haitian in ''[[Hiros]]'', the Haitian wasn't trying to block his ability at all. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian also saves Peter from the Company in ''[[Four Months Ago...]]''.<br /> |
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| The Haitian will help [[Bennet]] round up the escaped prisoners. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian has loyalties to both [[Angela]] and Bennet and both people want the prisoners captured.<br /> |
| The Haitian will help [[Bennet]] round up the escaped prisoners. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian has loyalties to both [[Angela]] and Bennet and both people want the prisoners captured.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Bennet wouldn't be stupid enough to track the prisoners down on his own.<br /> |
{{plus}} Bennet wouldn't be stupid enough to track the prisoners down on his own.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} He certainly isn't all too willing to let Sylar help him...<br /> |
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{{note}} The Haitian went to capture/kill his brother, [[Baron Samedi]] (but without Bennet).<br /> |
{{note}} The Haitian went to capture/kill his brother, [[Baron Samedi]] (but without Bennet).<br /> |
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{{minus}} Peter said that the new Company would not capture people.<br /> |
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| The Haitian cannot block synthetic abilities. || None. || {{plus}} Nathan was able to successfully fly away in the presence of the Haitian.<br /> |
| The Haitian cannot block synthetic abilities. || None. || {{plus}} Nathan was able to successfully fly away in the presence of the Haitian.<br /> |
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:::{{note}} The Haitian's loyalty to her was established in season 1.<br /> |
:::{{note}} The Haitian's loyalty to her was established in season 1.<br /> |
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| The Haitian must be exposed to a power at least once |
| The Haitian must be exposed to a power at least once before he can block it. || None. || {{plus}} He didn't stop Peter from using [[space-time manipulation]] when he and Noah tried to capture him, but later blocked Hiro from using that same ability.<br /> |
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| The Haitian can return powers to those who've had them stolen by Arthur. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian is capable of stopping powers from working, he may also be able to get them working again.<br /> |
| The Haitian can return powers to those who've had them stolen by Arthur. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian is capable of stopping powers from working, he may also be able to get them working again.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Perhaps he wasn't actively allowing Elle to use her power; rather he was actively blocking Peter's (and possibly not actively blocking Adam's power since it was not a direct threat).<br /> |
:{{minus}} Perhaps he wasn't actively allowing Elle to use her power; rather he was actively blocking Peter's (and possibly not actively blocking Adam's power since it was not a direct threat).<br /> |
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:{{minus}} It seems as though the Haitian can't completely block a power (Matt could hear static; Arthur was apparently fighting the Haitian's power in ''[[Our Father]]'', etc.), so that could have kept Adam from aging quickly, if the Haitian was even directing his power at Adam anyway.<br /> |
:{{minus}} It seems as though the Haitian can't completely block a power (Matt could hear static; Arthur was apparently fighting the Haitian's power in ''[[Our Father]]'', etc.), so that could have kept Adam from aging quickly, if the Haitian was even directing his power at Adam anyway.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The distinction between "passive" and "active" abilities is purely a fan creation.<br /> |
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| The Haitian will eventually, or may currently be able to return memories to those who have lost them. || None. || {{plus}} It has been proven with previous |
| The Haitian will eventually, or may currently be able to return memories to those who have lost them. || None. || {{plus}} It has been proven with previous specials such as [[Matt]] that powers can "evolve."<br /> |
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| The Haitian's ability has both innate and active qualities, not two individual abilities. || None. || {{plus}} |
| The Haitian's ability has both innate and active qualities, not two individual abilities. || None. || {{plus}} Most characters (not the ability [[mimic]]s) have only one power, but it can surface in different ways.<br /> |
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| The Haitian has two abilities. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian can both manipulate minds (as he has shown by erasing memories) and suppress abilities, as he nullifies the powers of others nearby. These should be two distinct abilities.<br /> |
| The Haitian has two abilities. || None. || {{plus}} The Haitian can both manipulate minds (as he has shown by erasing memories) and suppress abilities, as he nullifies the powers of others nearby. These should be two distinct abilities.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Manipulating ones mind certainly allows one to erase memories and disrupt the mental processes that activate an ability.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Manipulating ones mind certainly allows one to erase memories and disrupt the mental processes that activate an ability.<br /> |
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:{{note}} How the Haitian actually suppresses other's abilities is not known. We do not know if he uses some mental power to disrupt mental processes that activate an ability, so his ability to nullify other's powers could be considered a separate ability in itself.<br /> |
:{{note}} How the Haitian actually suppresses other's abilities is not known. We do not know if he uses some mental power to disrupt mental processes that activate an ability, so his ability to nullify other's powers could be considered a separate ability in itself.<br /> |
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{{note}} The ability to erase/block memories seems like an active ability, and the "ability suppression" or nullification seems a bit more passive.<br /> |
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{{plus}} They have not been shown to be related powers.<br /> |
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{{note}} The Facebook application "My Hero's Ability" splits his powers into two: Memory Manipulation and Power Nullification.<br /> |
{{note}} The Facebook application "My Hero's Ability" splits his powers into two: Memory Manipulation and Power Nullification.<br /> |
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{{note}} This can be considered an [[User:Riddler/Ability byproducts|ability byproduct]].<br /> |
{{note}} This can be considered an [[User:Riddler/Ability byproducts|ability byproduct]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} It would make sense that he has two separate powers in that Arthur (who has mental manipulation) has not demonstrated the ability suppression ability like the Haitian has, even though it would have been beneficial for him to do so (e.g. cancel out the Haitian's presense in ''[[Our Father]]'').<br /> |
{{plus}} It would make sense that he has two separate powers in that Arthur (who has mental manipulation) has not necessarily demonstrated the ability suppression ability like the Haitian has, even though it would have been beneficial for him to do so (e.g. cancel out the Haitian's presense in ''[[Our Father]]'').<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Arthur did not know the Haitian was present until his own abilities were suppressed.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Arthur did not know the Haitian was present until his own abilities were suppressed.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} If ability suppression was part of mental manipulation, then it would be difficult for others to take the ability of mental manipulation from someone else, because the use of the ability suppression (as part of mental manipulation) could prevent others from using their powers to take the ability.<br /> |
:{{plus}} If ability suppression was part of mental manipulation, then it would be difficult for others to take the ability of mental manipulation from someone else, because the use of the ability suppression (as part of mental manipulation) could prevent others from using their powers to take the ability.<br /> |
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::{{minus}} Peter could have taken the Haitian's ability in [[Unexpected]] or [[I Am Become Death]]. Arthur took Peter's powers after both instances.<br /> |
::{{minus}} Peter could have taken the Haitian's ability in [[Unexpected]] or [[I Am Become Death]]. Arthur took Peter's powers after both instances.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The writers specifically said Arthur used "the Haitian's" ability, which suggests it originated from the Haitian. If Peter were able to absorb memory removal from the Haitian, he must have also gained ability suppression.<br /> |
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| [[The Haitian]]'s surname is Samedi. || None. || {{plus}} His brother's name is [[Baron Samedi]], which would make "Samedi" the Haitian's surname.<br /> |
| [[The Haitian]]'s surname is Samedi. || None. || {{plus}} His brother's name is [[Baron Samedi]], which would make "Samedi" the Haitian's surname.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Since [[The Haitian]] can control the brain, that means he can make your brain forget how to breathe or perform other necessary functions. This happens to people who have Huntington's disease.<br /> |
{{plus}} Since [[The Haitian]] can control the brain, that means he can make your brain forget how to breathe or perform other necessary functions. This happens to people who have Huntington's disease.<br /> |
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| [[The Haitian]]'s power has something to do with breaking synapses. || All the times he erased/disabled the mind. || {{plus}} Ability suppression would be performed by weakening the bonds between neurons responsible for powers. Erasing memories would happen the same way. This is a super explication for why he seems to have two powers.</br> |
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{{note}} It also would explain why he can't suppress artificial abilities |
{{note}} It also would explain why he can't suppress artificial abilities if the source is not in the brain.</br> |
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:{{note}} Then how could Sylar copy powers artificially induced like in the [[explosion future]] in which he took [[Nathan]]'s ability?</br> |
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::{{note}} He may have gotten flight from someone else and just pretended to be Nathan for his political status.</br> |
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::{{note}} Through empathy.<br /> |
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{{plus}} When he suppressed [[Arthur]] he had to concentrate a lot since Arthur "was too powerful", meaning Arthur could have strengthened his synapses (perhaps using [[Claire]]'s or [[Adam]]'s regeneration).</br> |
{{plus}} When he suppressed [[Arthur]] he had to concentrate a lot since Arthur "was too powerful", meaning Arthur could have strengthened his synapses (perhaps using [[Claire]]'s or [[Adam]]'s regeneration).</br> |
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:{{minus}} The Haitian has blocked [[Peter]] more than once, all of which after he mimicked regeneration.</br> |
:{{minus}} The Haitian has blocked [[Peter]] more than once, all of which after he mimicked regeneration.</br> |
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{{plus}} Every time a person with erased memories was healed, the links between the neurons was restored. Claire's mother had amnesia since too many bonds were broken or the bonds responsible with the "needed to be erased" information had other uses.</br> |
{{plus}} Every time a person with erased memories was healed, the links between the neurons was restored. Claire's mother had amnesia since too many bonds were broken or the bonds responsible with the "needed to be erased" information had other uses.</br> |
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{{minus}} Breaking synapses doesn't necessarily mean it's not mental manipulation. Maybe that's the way mental manipulation works to begin with.</br> |
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{{minus}} Mental manipulation means the manipulation of the mind, which is an abstract thing. This theory could be named neuron manipulation. He could restore the broken links, augment them (to boost powers), or even copy links (copy powers).</br> |
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| Nobody except for [[the Haitian]] himself and his family members knows his real name. || None. || {{plus}} Literally, ''everyone'' refers to the Haitian as such, even [[the Company]], who uses the name "The Haitian" in the [[Assignment Tracker]] profile for [[Baron Samedi]].<br /> |
| Nobody except for [[the Haitian]] himself and his family members knows his real name. || None. || {{plus}} Literally, ''everyone'' refers to the Haitian as such, even [[the Company]], who uses the name "The Haitian" in the [[Assignment Tracker]] profile for [[Baron Samedi]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} Perhaps everyone else who knew his real name had their memories of it taken away.<br /> |
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| [[Sylar]] killed [[the Haitian]] and stole his ability while leaving Pinehearst. || Sylar is able to resist [[Eric Doyle]]'s ability despite not having [[telepathy]]. || {{plus}} How else would Sylar have been able to escape when [[Peter]] sent the Haitian after him?<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The Haitian could have lost Sylar in Pinehearst.<br /> |
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{{minus}} It's extremely unlikely that the writers would kill a relatively major character off-screen, and without a word to show that he was dead.<br /> |
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:{{note}} The writers showed [[D.L.]]'s death in a [[Four Months Ago|flashback episode]], if the Haitian is dead, his death will be shown in a flashback too.<br /> |
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::{{note}} D.L. was mentioned to have died before his death was showed in a flashback episode, everyone knew he had died, just not how he had died.<br /> |
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| [[Noah]] will recruit the Haitian into the new Company. || None. || {{plus}} He's a valuable asset for an agency that's required to work under the public eye without exposing itself.<br /> |
| [[Noah]] will recruit the Haitian into the new Company. || None. || {{plus}} He's a valuable asset for an agency that's required to work under the public eye without exposing itself.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Noah is likely to reinstate the "one of us, one of them" concept.<br /> |
{{plus}} Noah is likely to reinstate the "one of us, one of them" concept.<br /> |
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| The Haitian will return in Volume Five and will erase memories of those who figures out who [[Sylar|Nathan]] really is. || |
| The Haitian will return in Volume Five and will erase memories of those who figures out who [[Sylar|Nathan]] really is. || None. || {{plus}} [[Angela]] may want to keep the secret at all costs, and the Haitian is loyal to her.<br /> |
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The following fan theories are about the Haitian.
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Theories
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| The Haitian deliberately allowed Sylar to escape from Primatech and from the Bennets' home. (Distractions) | The Haitian says he receives orders from someone higher than Bennet. (Company Man) | + People higher in the Company than Mr. Bennet had seen prophetic paintings showing Sylar involved in the explosion. Since the Company - under Linderman - wanted the explosion to occur, they ordered the Haitian to let Sylar escape. + The Haitian could presumably have kept Sylar from using his powers to prevent his escape. According to interviews, he was the reason Sylar hadn't escaped from Primatech sooner.
- The Haitian also fails to stop Ted from going nuclear in Company Man, even though this would appear to be detrimental to all factions involved. |
| The Haitian can perform power theft. | None. | + Power theft requires extensive knowledge of the brain. The power of mental manipulation can probably grant this understanding in a way similar to intuitive aptitude. + The Haitian can apparently be summoned from anywhere with simple wind chimes. This would require more than mental manipulation. |
| The Haitian must know the kind of memories he is taking. | None. | + The Haitian must know what he was taking or he would just take random memories. + In The Line, Ivan says that the Haitian is useless for obtaining new information. This suggests that the Haitian cannot find a memory if he doesn't have general information on what that memory is.
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| The Haitian can manipulate his own mind, including manipulating and recalling his own memories. | None. | + In The Crossroads, Mohinder said, "Shouldn't you be writing this down?" to which the Haitian replied, "Memory is not a problem for me". - You don't need to have an power to have a good memory. |
| The Haitian's ability has a secondary effect of enhanced memory. | The Crossroads: "Don't you need to write any of this down?" "Memory is not an issue for me." (Mohinder and the Haitian) | • It is plausible that someone who has demonstrable powers over erasure and recollection would possess this ability as well, unless there is more to enhanced memory than is currently known. • Maybe he has the ability of "memory manipulation". Both his or the others ones.
- You don't need to have an power to have a good memory. |
| Evolved humans with empathic mimicry are unable to absorb The Haitian's power. | None. | + Peter has come into contact with the Haitian several times and shown no signs of being able to use his power.
+ The Haitian can block the mental abilities of others, it is possible this includes the absorbing of other people's powers.
- Arthur displayed the Haitian's ability after absorbing Peter's powers. |
| When Nathan escaped Mr. Bennet and the Haitian in Hiros, the Haitian wasn't trying to block his ability at all. | None. | + The Haitian also saves Peter from the Company in Four Months Ago.... - How would he explain to Bennet that he failed, even when he is so close to Nathan? It is more likely that people with a strong will to use their powers can overcome this aspect of the Haitian's powers.
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| The Haitian will help Bennet round up the escaped prisoners. | None. | + The Haitian has loyalties to both Angela and Bennet and both people want the prisoners captured. + Bennet wouldn't be stupid enough to track the prisoners down on his own. |
| The Haitian cannot block synthetic abilities. | None. | + Nathan was able to successfully fly away in the presence of the Haitian.
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| The Haitian must be exposed to a power at least once before he can block it. | None. | + He didn't stop Peter from using space-time manipulation when he and Noah tried to capture him, but later blocked Hiro from using that same ability. |
| The Haitian can return powers to those who've had them stolen by Arthur. | None. | + The Haitian is capable of stopping powers from working, he may also be able to get them working again. - The Haitian has had plenty of time and many opportunities do this, and he hasn't. |
| The Haitian cannot block passive powers such as rapid cell regeneration. | None. | + Adam Monroe was with Peter in Four Months Ago..., and the Haitian was there as well, actively blocking Peters power. Now, while he was also actively allowing Elle to use her power, it's unlikely he would have the foresight to do the same for Adam. If he had been able to negate Adam's healing ability, he would have turned to dust, just as he did when Arthur stole his power.
- The distinction between "passive" and "active" abilities is purely a fan creation. |
| The Haitian will eventually, or may currently be able to return memories to those who have lost them. | None. | + It has been proven with previous specials such as Matt that powers can "evolve." |
| The Haitian's ability has both innate and active qualities, not two individual abilities. | None. | + Most characters (not the ability mimics) have only one power, but it can surface in different ways. |
| The Haitian has two abilities. | None. | + The Haitian can both manipulate minds (as he has shown by erasing memories) and suppress abilities, as he nullifies the powers of others nearby. These should be two distinct abilities.
• The ability to erase/block memories seems like an active ability, and the "ability suppression" or nullification seems a bit more passive.
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| The Haitian's surname is Samedi. | None. | + His brother's name is Baron Samedi, which would make "Samedi" the Haitian's surname.
- Baron Samedi is one word on its own. It is on its own a proper noun. Yes, Baron Samedi means Baron/Lord Saturday but it should be accepted as one proper noun instead of one common noun (Baron) and one proper noun (Samedi). |
| The Haitian killed Baron Samedi. | None. | + It would be the only way to stop Samedi for good. - He might have put him in a vegetative state.
+ A person in a vegetative state will die if they aren't put on life support. The Haitian wouldn't waste resources at the Company or a hospital in Haiti just to keep an ego-maniacal warlord alive.
+ Since The Haitian can control the brain, that means he can make your brain forget how to breathe or perform other necessary functions. This happens to people who have Huntington's disease. |
| The Haitian's power has something to do with breaking synapses. | All the times he erased/disabled the mind. | + Ability suppression would be performed by weakening the bonds between neurons responsible for powers. Erasing memories would happen the same way. This is a super explication for why he seems to have two powers. • It also would explain why he can't suppress artificial abilities if the source is not in the brain.
+ When he suppressed Arthur he had to concentrate a lot since Arthur "was too powerful", meaning Arthur could have strengthened his synapses (perhaps using Claire's or Adam's regeneration).
+ Every time a person with erased memories was healed, the links between the neurons was restored. Claire's mother had amnesia since too many bonds were broken or the bonds responsible with the "needed to be erased" information had other uses. |
| Nobody except for the Haitian himself and his family members knows his real name. | None. | + Literally, everyone refers to the Haitian as such, even the Company, who uses the name "The Haitian" in the Assignment Tracker profile for Baron Samedi. + Perhaps everyone else who knew his real name had their memories of it taken away. |
| Noah will recruit the Haitian into the new Company. | None. | + He's a valuable asset for an agency that's required to work under the public eye without exposing itself. + He and Noah seem to mutually trust and respect each other. |
| The Haitian will return in Volume Five and will erase memories of those who figures out who Nathan really is. | None. | + Angela may want to keep the secret at all costs, and the Haitian is loyal to her. |
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