Talk:Level 5

Anyone think this is ready to move? I structured it similar to other locations.--Bob (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

• The root Dumont's cell needs to be added as a notable location, along with Gael Cruz's office. Also, the stub needs to be filled. Other than that, looks good.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
  • I read Career Choices, and there wasn't any note of Gael'z office being in Level 5, but just in Primatech Research. The root's cell is in Level 5 (just read it), thanks for the heads up.--Bob (talk) 22:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
    • Gael's office was listed as Level 5 in one of parts of The Kill Squad... I think part 3.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
      • Ah, I see it at the top left on the first page. Thanks.--Bob (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
• I think it looks great and is fine to move. The other part of the move is removing all the history that has to do with Level 5 from Primatech Research. Good job, Bob. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
• Sounds like Level Three from Smallville. --Ice Vision (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Adam/Peter/Juliens

Do we have definite sources to say these people (possibly others, I didn't look) were on Level 5? The only people I knew for sure were on Level 5 were Echo, Jesse, Knox, The German, Noah, Eric and currently Sylar. Zachary Quinto noted that Sylar was originally held on Level Two, indicating that the people on Level 5 were far more dangerous in the Company's eyes, so I'm unsure where everyone fits.--Riddler 01:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

• Julien's cell is on Level 5 according to one of the later graphic novels (when Sabine helps him escape, she passes Noah's cell which is on Level 5). Sylar was never held in the New York facility, he was in Odessa, so Level 2 is there (though I'm not sure where that source comes from). As for Peter and Adam, I think I was the one who moved them there, but I can't recall where I got that from. I'll look around some more to figure it out.--Bob (talk) 02:09, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
  • During the Countdown to the Premiere, Zachary Quinto said his character was in a Level 2 facility. The script for Root and Branch called for Noah to be in a Level 5 cell. When Jason Badower asked what that was, he was told it was supposed to be like Adam and Peter's cell. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:13, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Of course, that doesn't say that Adam and Peter were in Level 5 cells. Therequiembellishere 11:23, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
      • Concur. --Riddler 13:12, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
• I dont see why Noah is on level 5, its not like he is dangerous, all they gotta do is shoot him and BAM he is dead/Badly Injured... -- (. .') 11:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
  • He knows too much. Therequiembellishere 11:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
    • The more I think about it, the less I think Adam and Peter were on level 5. They were given ability suppressors, whereas the Level 5 inmates seemingly didn't, their cells are generally more comfortable (albeit not by much), and they have blinds on their windows. I think it's speculative to say they were definitely on Level 5 (unless we count Peter as Jesse)--Riddler 13:10, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Anybody willing to discuss?--Riddler 20:02, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Agreed. I'm not sure of anything that says they were definitely on Level 5. Stevehim 19:46, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Maury Parkman...escaped?

Are we sure Maury escaped? I thought they were keeping him under heavy sedation, due to his power. The grid short-circuiting shouldn't have afected that. Maybe he was prisoner #13?  ;) Stevehim 00:29, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

• I've read in one of the bazillion interviews that he's gone. --Matchu 00:32, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I'm almost 100% sure that the CBR interview for last week said so. Therequiembellishere 00:58, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Perhaps one of the other prisoners carried him out while he was unconscious.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:55, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Who has escaped Level 5

• There have been a bunch of revisions back and forth, so we should probably open discussions on this (since the revisions were here I decided to post it here instead of the Level 5 escapees page. I think we should list them all as escaped (save the ones we know are still there...ie - Flint and Sylar). We have indefinite yet solid information from canon (Elle blew the grid and allowed at least 12 members to escape), and a confirmation from a credible near-canon source. We've used similar reasoning before (namely the whole 'Sylar lost his powers' issue, so there's no reason to not use it here, IMO. Stevehim 21:06, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
• In response to the reason for the last revert...the interview did not mention Echo by name..only Maury. But it did specify that ALL the prisoners had scaped, so that's as good as stating their names...hence Echo and Howard should be included. Stevehim 21:09, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I think it's fine to list them. It's also important to note the source (the BTE interview and Joe and Aron's names), and to note that Joe and Aron didn't mention Howard or Echo. Listing Howard and Echo as escaped assumes that they were still in the prison during the big escape. Check the wording at Level 5 escapees#Notes. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:33, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
    • See User talk:Ryangibsonstewart#Level 5 escapees Therequiembellishere

Cells specialized to neutralize abilities

• I agree that this must be going on to some degree, but the recent episode makes me question it a little. Do you think the door needs to be closed, that Daphne disabled this feature (since Sylar uses his TK in his cell), or was it not put in place in Sylar's cell, since he's family (though why keep him in a cell at all if that's the case)? --Stevehim 01:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
  • We also have the problem of how Future Peter was able to use his ability to insert Peter into Jesse's body, and how Peter was able to use his powers in Sylar's cell. I suppose we could say they're only blocking the abilities of the specific person in the cell, but that's a bit of a stretch, imo. We also have FLint using his powers in his cell, but it being sturdy enbough to take it, and Knox, for some strange reason, being in a straightjacket. The actual mechanism of keeping people there would be a great question for the writers. --Stevehim 17:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I add a section who list the crimes the prisoners were jailed for. User: Jethap

Deceased visitors

Why remove the deceased status of the visitors? Similar (and probably main) discussion at Talk:Primatech Research. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:51, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• The reasoning for that is here. --Stevehim 10:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Sylar and Stephen Canfield

I've been thinking about this for a while... Stephen Canfield accidentally killed one man with his ability and was instantly sent to Level 5... while on the other hand, Sylar, who already killed several people intentionally and took their abilities, was only sent to Level 2 the first time he was captured. Huh? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 15:09, 20 December 2008 (EST)

• Two possible explanations, both somewhat theoretical. Perhaps Level 2 of Primatech Paper is more secure than Level 5 of Primatech Research--especially considering that there was virtually nobody else being held in Odessa at the time. Or, perhaps the level of security has less to do with the person's intentions and more to do with what the person can do. The Company rarely looks at whether the person is "good" or "bad", but at the nature of their abilities. About the only thing that could kill Sylar is a vortex. Canfield might have been a relatively good guy, but his ability was about the most dangerous thing one could conceive--especially if he couldn't control it and accidentally killed somebody. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Beds.

It appears the only thing in the way of bedding in the cells is that solid metal table thing, which doesn't look very comfortable there's not even a pillow. Doyle was in Level 5 for 2 years, Flint, Jesse and Knox where all there at least 6 months, you'd think a long term detention area would at least have sleeping materials. poor fellas. D Toccs 01:40, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Echo

Putting this one to rest for good: Angela became Chairperson of the Company after Bob was killed, which was immediately prior to the Level 5 breakout. When Echo is (finally) captured, he is greeted by Angela. Echo, therefore, had not escaped Level 5. He was imprisoned AFTER the breakout. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:24, 6 January 2009 (EST)

• I haven't read the GN, and it's been awhile since I saw the Webisodes, but do we know that Bob was dead or that Angela was visiting him as head of the Company (and not just as a high-ranking member)? Aside from that, what was the timeframe of Angela shushing Echo compared to the Level five escape? She says "welcome home," implying he's been there before, so is it possible that took place after his escape during Elle's overload in Level 5? --Stevehim 22:37, 6 January 2009 (EST)
  • Yeah, I don't think he 1) was necessarily "greeted" by the Company Chairperson, or 2) was met by Angela immediately upon arrival. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)