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Anyone think this is ready to move? I structured it similar to other locations.--Bob (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

  • The root Dumont's cell needs to be added as a notable location, along with Gael Cruz's office. Also, the stub needs to be filled. Other than that, looks good.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
    • I read Career Choices, and there wasn't any note of Gael'z office being in Level 5, but just in Primatech Research. The root's cell is in Level 5 (just read it), thanks for the heads up.--Bob (talk) 22:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
      • Gael's office was listed as Level 5 in one of parts of The Kill Squad... I think part 3.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
        • Ah, I see it at the top left on the first page. Thanks.--Bob (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
  • I think it looks great and is fine to move. The other part of the move is removing all the history that has to do with Level 5 from Primatech Research. Good job, Bob. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
  • Sounds like Level Three from Smallville. --Ice Vision (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


Do we have definite sources to say these people (possibly others, I didn't look) were on Level 5? The only people I knew for sure were on Level 5 were Echo, Jesse, Knox, The German, Noah, Eric Doyle and currently Sylar. Zachary Quinto noted that Sylar was originally held on Level Two, indicating that the people on Level 5 were far more dangerous in the Company's eyes, so I'm unsure where everyone fits.--Riddler 01:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Julien's cell is on Level 5 according to one of the later graphic novels (when Sabine helps him escape, she passes Noah's cell which is on Level 5). Sylar was never held in the New York facility, he was in Odessa, so Level 2 is there (though I'm not sure where that source comes from). As for Peter and Adam, I think I was the one who moved them there, but I can't recall where I got that from. I'll look around some more to figure it out.--Bob (talk) 02:09, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I dont see why Noah is on level 5, its not like he is dangerous, all they gotta do is shoot him and BAM he is dead/Badly Injured... -- (. .') 11:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
    • He knows too much. Therequiembellishere 11:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
      • The more I think about it, the less I think Adam and Peter were on level 5. They were given ability suppressors, whereas the Level 5 inmates seemingly didn't, their cells are generally more comfortable (albeit not by much), and they have blinds on their windows. I think it's speculative to say they were definitely on Level 5 (unless we count Peter as Jesse)--Riddler 13:10, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Anybody willing to discuss?--Riddler 20:02, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Agreed. I'm not sure of anything that says they were definitely on Level 5. Stevehim 19:46, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Maury Parkman...escaped?

Are we sure Maury escaped? I thought they were keeping him under heavy sedation, due to his power. The grid short-circuiting shouldn't have afected that. Maybe he was prisoner #13?  ;) Stevehim 00:29, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I've read in one of the bazillion interviews that he's gone. --Matchu 00:32, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I'm almost 100% sure that the CBR interview for last week said so. Therequiembellishere 00:58, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Perhaps one of the other prisoners carried him out while he was unconscious.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:55, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Who has escaped Level 5

  • There have been a bunch of revisions back and forth, so we should probably open discussions on this (since the revisions were here I decided to post it here instead of the Level 5 escapees page. I think we should list them all as escaped (save the ones we know are still - Flint and Sylar). We have indefinite yet solid information from canon (Elle blew the grid and allowed at least 12 members to escape), and a confirmation from a credible near-canon source. We've used similar reasoning before (namely the whole 'Sylar lost his powers' issue, so there's no reason to not use it here, IMO. Stevehim 21:06, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
  • In response to the reason for the last revert...the interview did not mention Echo by name..only Maury. But it did specify that ALL the prisoners had scaped, so that's as good as stating their names...hence Echo and Howard should be included. Stevehim 21:09, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Cells specialized to neutralize abilities

  • I agree that this must be going on to some degree, but the recent episode makes me question it a little. Do you think the door needs to be closed, that Daphne disabled this feature (since Sylar uses his TK in his cell), or was it not put in place in Sylar's cell, since he's family (though why keep him in a cell at all if that's the case)? --Stevehim 01:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
    • We also have the problem of how Future Peter was able to use his ability to insert Peter into Jesse's body, and how Peter was able to use his powers in Sylar's cell. I suppose we could say they're only blocking the abilities of the specific person in the cell, but that's a bit of a stretch, imo. We also have FLint using his powers in his cell, but it being sturdy enbough to take it, and Knox, for some strange reason, being in a straightjacket. The actual mechanism of keeping people there would be a great question for the writers. --Stevehim 17:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I add a section who list the crimes the prisoners were jailed for. User: Jethap

Deceased visitors

Why remove the deceased status of the visitors? Similar (and probably main) discussion at Talk:Primatech Research. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:51, 15 December 2008 (EST)

  • The reasoning for that is here. --Stevehim 10:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Sylar and Stephen Canfield

I've been thinking about this for a while... Stephen Canfield accidentally killed one man with his ability and was instantly sent to Level 5... while on the other hand, Sylar, who already killed several people intentionally and took their abilities, was only sent to Level 2 the first time he was captured. Huh? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 15:09, 20 December 2008 (EST)

  • Two possible explanations, both somewhat theoretical. Perhaps Level 2 of Primatech Paper is more secure than Level 5 of Primatech Research--especially considering that there was virtually nobody else being held in Odessa at the time. Or, perhaps the level of security has less to do with the person's intentions and more to do with what the person can do. The Company rarely looks at whether the person is "good" or "bad", but at the nature of their abilities. About the only thing that could kill Sylar is a vortex. Canfield might have been a relatively good guy, but his ability was about the most dangerous thing one could conceive--especially if he couldn't control it and accidentally killed somebody. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2008 (EST)


It appears the only thing in the way of bedding in the cells is that solid metal table thing, which doesn't look very comfortable there's not even a pillow. Doyle was in Level 5 for 2 years, Flint, Jesse and Knox where all there at least 6 months, you'd think a long term detention area would at least have sleeping materials. poor fellas. D Toccs 01:40, 28 December 2008 (EST)


Putting this one to rest for good: Angela became Chairperson of the Company after Bob was killed, which was immediately prior to the Level 5 breakout. When Echo is (finally) captured, he is greeted by Angela. Echo, therefore, had not escaped Level 5. He was imprisoned AFTER the breakout. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:24, 6 January 2009 (EST)

  • I haven't read the GN, and it's been awhile since I saw the Webisodes, but do we know that Bob was dead or that Angela was visiting him as head of the Company (and not just as a high-ranking member)? Aside from that, what was the timeframe of Angela shushing Echo compared to the Level five escape? She says "welcome home," implying he's been there before, so is it possible that took place after his escape during Elle's overload in Level 5? --Stevehim 22:37, 6 January 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, I don't think he 1) was necessarily "greeted" by the Company Chairperson, or 2) was met by Angela immediately upon arrival. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)
      • To answer RGS: Yeah, "greeted" wasn't the right word... However (to answer both of you), the GN stated explicitly he was on the run for 13 weeks before being brought in, and the webisode uses a "13 weeks later" card before the "Welcome home" bit. Plus, up until just before Season 2 ended, Angela was in police custody. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 00:06, 7 January 2009 (EST)
        • This is a possible inconsistency by the writers. Echo was first approached by the Company at the end of December 2006 (Dec 20-28). Thirteen weeks from then would be very close to the time of the escape, which would make one think that Echo was not imprisoned until after it occurred. However, Elle was fired by Angela immediately after she blew the grid, and since she was along on the Echo capture, it doesn't quite add up. It could be reconciled by saying that Echo was captured right before the mass escape, escaped with the rest of the prisoners, and then was almost immediately recaptured (similar to Flint, who was recaptured a day later).
          • Ah hey, didn't catch that bit about Elle. Yeah, the only way it could be justified that he wasn't an escapee is by saying he was captured the day of the escape. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 00:45, 7 January 2009 (EST)
          • Actually, now that I think about it, Echo was also chained to a chair. It's possible he was unable to escape during the breakout. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 00:54, 7 January 2009 (EST)


Does anyone have any sort of blueprints for Level 5, so we can see the layout of it. It's mean to have at least 12 cells, plus the vault with the cloner(i forget his name). If someone could look back over the episodes and reaw up a plan that would be great. --Mc hammark 09:40, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Evolutions videos

I added a comment under the Notes section about 4 videos on NBC's site. These videos are new to me, but they appear to be around the time of Red Eye's video. Pretty cool. Do these videos warrant a separate page? ---Heroes360 12:48, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Very cool! Let me ask Tom Inkel or Joe Tolerico about them. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:08, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Did you ever get a change to ask them? I think the guy with the clones should be added or at least noted on the Cloning ability page, and perhaps make another page for Wind Manipulation. --OutbackZack 16:00, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes, I asked them. I haven't heard back. I agree, the cloning guy should be mentioned in the Notes of the cloning article. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Actually, I forgot. I went back through my emails and remembered that Tom replied and said that he was going to let Joe reply, but Joe never did. I'll send another email. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
        • If we wanted to make a short article on the clone guy and wind chick I think "Level 5 Male Prisoner" and "Level 5 Female Prisoner" would work just fine.--OutbackZack 16:20, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
          • I don't think we need articles on them. Just a mention on the ability page is enough. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:11, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
            • What about one on the wind ability? I know we know nothing about the woman, but we still saw the ability demonstrated. --OutbackZack 23:02, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
            • We could mention it on the weather control page? Or we could add Aerokinesis to the list of unconfirmed abilities. --Piemanmoo 02:29, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
              • I thought an ability is confirm when it's demonstrated. I also think it would be speculation to say it's weather control, because all we saw is her control wind.--OutbackZack 12:55, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
  • Tom Inkel just got back to me about the videos. He's going to check on what he's allowed to say and not allowed to say before her properly replies. Tom has been very good about getting back to me on my questions, so let's wait to see what he says first. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:25, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
    • From Tom: "The short and unofficial answer is that those were made for the ARG around the time of Comic-Con 2008 but weren't used. But they still 'live' in the Heroes universe (e.g., in Primatech archives that were turned over to Building 26) and might pop back up someday (just like a lot of other unseen content, actually; in fact, there were more than four of those videos)." Sounds like they are unofficially official videos. Hopefully we'll see more of them! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
      • So does that mean we can go ahead and make a page for the wind ability? I personally believe one is fine since we seen the ability demonstrated.--OutbackZack 03:03, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
        • I wouldn't do it just yet, they have yet to debut on the show. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
          • But a lot of abilities and people haven't debuted on the show. I figured this would be an Heroes Evolution ability. --OutbackZack 00:25, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
            • Yet they debuted elsewhere, such as webisode, graphic novel or iStory, not the case with the ones from the videos. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:43, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
              • But they were under the Evolution section of the site. I think the "clones" should only be noted on the Cloning ability page since we haven't seen the guy's actual ability, just the aftermath. However, we did see the woman use her wind ability.--OutbackZack 15:49, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
                • There being clones is a sign the ability was used, we didn't see Julien Dumont use his ability on his first appearance, yet we listed him cause he was officially introduced as having the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:19, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
                  • Oh that is true. I forgot about that. Nevermind then in regards to my thoughts on the clone thing.--OutbackZack 00:04, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

the table?

on the table are the level 5 captees and several other things. Under "location", what is meant to be put there. It can't be where they were held as flint's was pinehearst. would that be for where they are now. In that case a lot of their locations should be listed as deceased.--mc_hammark 12:42, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I think it's meant to be the location where they were held.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
    • It's kinda silly then cause they're all on Level 5. --mc_hammark 12:50, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Perhaps, but besides Hartsdale, NY, the Texas and Alaska facilities also had holding areas.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
        • I know there were other facilities but we know that they were all kept on level 5. Maybe if it was renamed to what cell they were in or something like that. Or present location. Remember this article is about level 5 so it won't be mentioning the other facilites anyway. --mc_hammark 13:11, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
  • We'll need to list most of them as deceased. I think it would be better to put deceased under "location" rather than their last known location. --mc_hammark 13:14, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Ando and Hiro

I believe that Ando and Hiro were never incarcerated on Level 5. I believe it was a different level, based on the look and structure of the cell. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

  • In One of Us, One of Them, they were in a huge-windowed cell alongside Flint's and a giant 5. - Josh (talk/contribs) 23:28, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Has anyone got a picture of level 5?-- By Danko CH 04:52, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Hiro and Ando were indeed in Level 5. They are shown in their cell, the camera moves and shows H.R.G. and Sylar bringing Flint in, behind them is the wall with the big 5 on it. But in the next episode Hiro and Ando are in Level 2, so what the hell? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Maybe because the Haitian was in the building, Hiro and Ando were not that much of a threat as Hiro's power was blocked. Also, Angela wanted to see them. since they were taking up valuable space in level 5, and she just needed to make sure they didn't leave before she spoke to them, she locked them in Level 2. At least that's what I think. --mc_hammark 10:21, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Fun video

Hey! Look at this fun video! --TanderixUTCR 14:10, 29 January 2010 (Italy)

  • That's hysterical! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:47, 29 January 2010 (EST)
    • ha, I loved that too when i first saw it. It's noted on the References to Heroes page. --mc_hammark 21:48, 29 January 2010 (EST)
      • OMG ROFL, Din't saw that one, I love the raving rabbits!