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** He should've seen Nathan's death then, and if he thinks this is who he is, he should've wondered how the man who looks like him killed the one who he thinks himself to be. {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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***Sylar ran out of the House of Mirrors while the projections were still going on, so it's likely he would have seen Nathan's murder had he stayed. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 10:47, 27 October 2009 (EDT) |
***Sylar ran out of the House of Mirrors while the projections were still going on, so it's likely he would have seen Nathan's murder had he stayed. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 10:47, 27 October 2009 (EDT) |
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****Possibly, but it's still speculation. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:33, 28 October 2009 (EDT) |
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Revision as of 00:33, 29 October 2009
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| 1. Canon Sources | Episodes |
| 2. Near-canon Sources | Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions |
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| 4. Common names for abilities | Names from other works |
| 5. Descriptions of abilities | Descriptions |
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Mental Manipulation?
It has not been officially stated that Damien possesses Mental Manipulation, but I think it would be logical. He used physical contact to enter Gabriel's mind (much like the Haitian), and, as the name suggests, manipulated Sylar's mind. As we've seen for many abilities (healing touch, space-time manipulation, telepathy, etc), ability development occurs in nearly every power, with the exception of most biological abilities. Mental Manipulation could be used for more than cerebral dampening (the Haitian can search through their memories). I'm not saying that this is definitely the same ability, but it's possible. What do you guys think? --Cerebro 20:49, 20 October 2009 (EDT)Cerebro
- Same problem was with Anna Korolenko's ability: like Haitian, she can erase memories and knock people out, but she hasn't displayed the power negating aspect. Neither has Damien, so his ability shoudn't be MM. Also, the Haitian claims he cannot restore memories.
AltesUTC CH
- So far, we are shown that he could only bring back forgotten memories and based on what Samuel said to Sylar, "In his hands, your true memories will be returned". Shouldn't a consensus be made for this?--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 06:28, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
Consensus
Memory Restoration
- Based on the desctiption--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 06:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Nicely describes the ability. --Radicell 06:37, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Nice and simple. --NuparuMahnika 08:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Perfect.--Ratclaws 09:28, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Unless something better comes up. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Agree with the above. (presently). --mc_hammark 12:49, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Sounds fine for now -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 13:09, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Damien restored Sylar's memories, and "returning" sounds like memories were in Damien's possession, and he gave them back.
AltesUTC CH - Nothing to say that hasn't already been said. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 16:41, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Sounds good to me, unless something is clarified that majorly changes the definition of his power. --V2Blast 00:20, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
- I think this is a good name...until/unless we learn more. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
- I think this is the (almost) perfect name for Damien's ability. Sounds correct, too! --Hiroman 16:06, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
- I don't like this name. The memories were NOT restored, they were projected onto the screens. They appeared alien to Sylar. Sylar still isn't Sylar otherwise he wouldn't have rejected them they way he did. This name is misleading. Getbrett 02:05, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
- Actually they are restored, Sylar states, "All those murders. All those memories in my mind but I cannot believe that they're mine." The reason he rejects them is because he doesn't understand why he killed them. He hasn't experienced the hunger. Yet. --mc_hammark 06:06, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
- Sylar cleared this up definitively in the latest episode: he does not recall the memories directly, they were not restored, he still has Nathan's memories innately. Getbrett 06:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
- Agreed, Sylar is still only remembering Nathan's memories. Restoration is in no way correct. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:48, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
- Sylar cleared this up definitively in the latest episode: he does not recall the memories directly, they were not restored, he still has Nathan's memories innately. Getbrett 06:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
Memory Projection
1. This phrase, "project" is actually used on this ability's page already. So why not call it memory projection as we have seen the memories are in fact projected and "re-lived". AJUTChronicles
2. Simply calling it memory restoration does not fully describe the effects of Damien's ability. He did not even actually restore Sylar's memories (as in, make Sylar remember them), as much as take what Sylar did not remember and project it onto a screen so he could see it. In the House of Mirrors he was terrified of what he saw, not what he remembered. I think this name is better. Swm 13:49, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
I don't oppose it, out of the current three names, the only one I don't like is memory returning. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:51, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
I agree too, the name was appropriate on what we see when he used his ability --Darkfiremaster13 05:15, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
Memory Returning
Memory Restoration Projection
Why don't combined the two names, projection is a big part of the ability but this can be like Matt's telepathy where he can project an image to a person head. Restoration like Linderman to show he is healing it.User:50000JH/signature
- This name irks me, it's too long, and considering we have seen little about this ability, it might impose limits that the ability doesn't actually have. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:25, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
- Agree on both accounts. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
another 2
Why when we sturck on naming an ability we put, name's ability, unless we get another 1 with the same ability and if they do have it in a different form and start to debate if it is. Wasn't meant to be rude. User:50000JH/signature
It will be more
I think his ability is much more than this. Samuel says he has a powerful ability, and restoring memories doesn't seem that powerful, it's just accessing a part of the brain that a person cannot themselves. --mc_hammark 14:41, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Going on that line, I'd say he might be able to jumpstart abilities, if a person has them, by accessing the part of the brain that controls it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Were the memories that Sylar saw in the hall of mirrors not ones that aren't even in his head right now but rather are in Matt Parkman's head with the part of Sylar that is in him? - Colin
- The memories are clearly in Sylar's body, otherwise Damien wouldn't have been able to make them appear in the mirrors. I wonder why no memory belonging to Nathan appeared, Sylar got some of those with clairsentience for weeks. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:46, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- I think Damien can pinpoint a memory that he wanted to show, Samuel wanted the old Sylar back that's why he made him see the memory of Sylar and his victim.--Darkfiremaster13 05:19, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
- The memories are clearly in Sylar's body, otherwise Damien wouldn't have been able to make them appear in the mirrors. I wonder why no memory belonging to Nathan appeared, Sylar got some of those with clairsentience for weeks. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:46, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- Were the memories that Sylar saw in the hall of mirrors not ones that aren't even in his head right now but rather are in Matt Parkman's head with the part of Sylar that is in him? - Colin
- Maybe it doesn't bring back/display memories that were put in him by other means - only his "true memories", as Samuel said. --V2Blast 00:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
- He should've seen Nathan's death then, and if he thinks this is who he is, he should've wondered how the man who looks like him killed the one who he thinks himself to be.
AltesUTC CH
- Sylar ran out of the House of Mirrors while the projections were still going on, so it's likely he would have seen Nathan's murder had he stayed. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:47, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
- Possibly, but it's still speculation. --OutbackZack 20:33, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
- Sylar ran out of the House of Mirrors while the projections were still going on, so it's likely he would have seen Nathan's murder had he stayed. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:47, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
- He should've seen Nathan's death then, and if he thinks this is who he is, he should've wondered how the man who looks like him killed the one who he thinks himself to be.