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{{plus}} According to the original casting information, April was meant to be a lesbian. [http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/more-heroes-season-two-spoiler-7008.aspx]<br /> |
{{plus}} According to the original casting information, April was meant to be a lesbian. [http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/more-heroes-season-two-spoiler-7008.aspx]<br /> |
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:{{minus}} That really has nothing to do with Elle or Claire.<br /> |
:{{minus}} That really has nothing to do with Elle or Claire.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Just because one character is a lesbian doesn't mean another character is.< |
:{{minus}} Just because one character is a lesbian doesn't mean another character is.<br /> |
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{{plus}}Lust could come before love.<br /> |
{{plus}}Lust could come before love.<br /> |
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{{plus}} In all fairness ''MOST'' of the male fan base would like this...<br /> |
{{plus}} In all fairness ''MOST'' of the male fan base would like this...<br /> |
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{{minus}} Neither Claire nor Elle are lesbian.<br /> |
{{minus}} Neither Claire nor Elle are lesbian.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} To be fair, it has merely been proven that they both like men, not that they don't like women. <br /> |
:{{plus}} To be fair, it has merely been proven that they both like men, not that they don't like women. <br /> |
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{{minus}} This storyline would add nothing to the show. It reminds |
{{minus}} This storyline would add nothing to the show. It reminds one of what David Mamet calls the "Death of my Kitten" speech.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hopefully, the producers have more respect for ''actual'' lesbians than to concoct this gratuitous subplot.</br> |
{{minus}} Hopefully, the producers have more respect for ''actual'' lesbians than to concoct this gratuitous subplot.</br> |
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:{{plus}} [[Eclaire]].<br /> |
:{{plus}} [[Eclaire]].<br /> |
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:{{plus}} [[Maury]] and [[Matt]] share the same level of powers due to Matt's rapid ability development. |
:{{plus}} [[Maury]] and [[Matt]] share the same level of powers due to Matt's rapid ability development. |
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:{{plus}} Meredith may have caused the fire in the house, and not known it. If this is true, then it is plausible that Elle was born a few years before Claire.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Meredith may have caused the fire in the house, and not known it. If this is true, then it is plausible that Elle was born a few years before Claire.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Elle stated that she is 24. Meredith is known to be 35. For Elle to be Meredith's daughter she would have been |
{{minus}} Elle stated that she is 24. Meredith is known to be 35. For Elle to be Meredith's daughter she would have been conceived when Meredith was 11, which is highly unlikely and probably too unsavory for a TV show. |
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| [[Elle]] is [[Matt Parkman]]'s sister. || None. || {{plus}} Matt's father has powers and abandoned him.<br /> |
| [[Elle]] is [[Matt Parkman]]'s sister. || None. || {{plus}} Matt's father has powers and abandoned him.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Elle says that she set her grandmother's house on fire (''[[Four Months Ago...]]''). Meredith was Claire's mother, but Elle is older than Claire is. |
{{minus}} Elle says that she set her grandmother's house on fire (''[[Four Months Ago...]]''). Meredith was Claire's mother, but Elle is older than Claire is. |
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| [[Elle]] has the ability to emit electromagnetic pulses. || None. || {{plus}} [[Noah Bennet]] was able to describe to [[Ted Sprague]] the way to emit an EMP from the perspective of an [[evolved human]]. |
| [[Elle]] has the ability to emit electromagnetic pulses. || None. || {{plus}} [[Noah Bennet]] was able to describe to [[Ted Sprague]] the way to emit an EMP from the perspective of an [[evolved human]].<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Ted's power was [[induced radioactivity]]; nuclear explosions can create EMPs. For Elle to generate a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Non-nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse non-nuclear EMP], she'd probably need additional equipment.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Elle has never exhibited this ability. |
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| [[Elle Bishop]] is the mother of [[Sylar]]'s [[Noah Gray|son]] [[I Am Become Death|from the future]]. || None. || {{minus}} No mention of the identity of Noah's mother was made. Also, Sylar killed Elle's [[Bob Bishop|father]], so it is unlikely she'd forgive him enough to have sex with him, much less give birth to his son.<br /> |
| [[Elle Bishop]] is the mother of [[Sylar]]'s [[Noah Gray|son]] [[I Am Become Death|from the future]]. || None. || {{minus}} No mention of the identity of Noah's mother was made. Also, Sylar killed Elle's [[Bob Bishop|father]], so it is unlikely she'd forgive him enough to have sex with him, much less give birth to his son.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Elle also died. (''[[The Eclipse, Part 2]]'')<br /> |
:{{minus}} Elle also died. (''[[The Eclipse, Part 2]]'')<br /> |
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::{{plus}} Elle was not shown dead yet.<br /> |
::{{plus}} Elle was not shown dead yet.<br /> |
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:::{{minus}} Even if Elle survived, she would be unlikely to bear the child of a man who a) killed her [[Bob Bishop|father]]; b) tried to kill her twice.<br /> |
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|Elle will become [[Claire]]'s main enemy. || None. || {{plus}} They already have a strong dislike for each other.<br /> |
|Elle will become [[Claire]]'s main enemy. || None. || {{plus}} They already have a strong dislike for each other.<br /> |
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{{minus}} As far as we know, Elle hasn't had sexual relations with anyone within the past three months. Though she may have had sexual contact with Peter, it's highly unlikely that he would actually have sex with her, given that he was just using her to escape.<br /> |
{{minus}} As far as we know, Elle hasn't had sexual relations with anyone within the past three months. Though she may have had sexual contact with Peter, it's highly unlikely that he would actually have sex with her, given that he was just using her to escape.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Adam was locked up by the Company for a long time and was likely more willing to have sexual relations with Elle. |
{{plus}} Adam was locked up by the Company for a long time and was likely more willing to have sexual relations with Elle. |
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:{{plus}}She had sex with Sylar in [[The Eclipse, Part 2]]. |
:{{plus}}She had sex with Sylar in [[The Eclipse, Part 2]].<br /> |
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::{{minus}} Elle is unlikely to bear the child of a man who a) killed her [[Bob Bishop|father]]; b) tried to kill her twice.<br /> |
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| Elle's loss of control over her own powers could be related to Peter's loss of his powers. ||None. || {{plus}} Elle's infatuation with Peter and his ability to use her powers (which appears to be his favorite for fighting) could have caused her to inadvertently sync her electrical abilities with his making him the plus to her minus. When he lost his powers, hers went haywire.<br /> |
| Elle's loss of control over her own powers could be related to Peter's loss of his powers. ||None. || {{plus}} Elle's infatuation with Peter and his ability to use her powers (which appears to be his favorite for fighting) could have caused her to inadvertently sync her electrical abilities with his making him the plus to her minus. When he lost his powers, hers went haywire.<br /> |
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| [[Arthur Petrelli]] will revive [[Elle]] with his [[Rapid cell regeneration|regenerative blood]]. || None. || {{plus}} Elle is the most apparent candidate for [[Noah Gray]]'s mother in the exposed future. It would be remiss to leave that storyline unresolved.<br /> |
| [[Arthur Petrelli]] will revive [[Elle]] with his [[Rapid cell regeneration|regenerative blood]]. || None. || {{plus}} Elle is the most apparent candidate for [[Noah Gray]]'s mother in the exposed future. It would be remiss to leave that storyline unresolved.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Elle is unlikely to bear the child of a man who a) killed her [[Bob Bishop|father]]; b) tried to kill her twice.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur encouraged the pairing of Elle and Sylar. Perhaps he still wants them to work together, and thinks they would be even more effective, with Sylar relenting to the hunger again and Elle having a vendetta on Sylar for killing her.<br /> |
{{plus}} Arthur encouraged the pairing of Elle and Sylar. Perhaps he still wants them to work together, and thinks they would be even more effective, with Sylar relenting to the hunger again and Elle having a vendetta on Sylar for killing her.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Regenerative blood seems to be common only to those who were born with [[rapid cell regeneration]]; for instance, Claire did not bother to suggest that [[Future Peter]] should use his blood to cure a gunshot-wounded Nathan in [[The Second Coming]], and [[Future Sylar]] did not use his blood to cure [[Noah Gray]] following the attack by [[Knox]].<br /> |
{{minus}} Regenerative blood seems to be common only to those who were born with [[rapid cell regeneration]]; for instance, Claire did not bother to suggest that [[Future Peter]] should use his blood to cure a gunshot-wounded Nathan in [[The Second Coming]], and [[Future Sylar]] did not use his blood to cure [[Noah Gray]] following the attack by [[Knox]].<br /> |
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:{{note}} It is possible that Arthur could use ''Claire'''s blood to revive Elle, as Claire was born with her ability.<br /> |
:{{note}} It is possible that Arthur could use ''Claire'''s blood to revive Elle, as Claire was born with her ability.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Future Peter used [[healing]] and not spontaneous regeneration to heal Nathan.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Future Peter used [[healing]] and not spontaneous regeneration to heal Nathan.<br /> |
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{{plus}} In ''[[Cautionary Tales]]'' Noah is shot in the face and presumably revived by |
{{plus}} In ''[[Cautionary Tales]]'' Noah is shot in the face and presumably revived by Claire's blood, so it can be assumed that Arthur Petrelli's [[Rapid cell regeneration|regenerative blood]] he acquired from Adam Monroe will have similar utility. <br /> |
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| We did not see the real [[Elle]] at the end of ''[[The Eclipse, Part 2]]''. || None. || {{plus}} Elle was acting extremely out of character in the last scene. She flinched. She slept with the man earlier in that day, flipped out when she thought he died, but then she flinches when he touches her? And, last time he tried to kill her, she exploded. This time, not even a zap? Something doesn't add up here.<br /> |
| We did not see the real [[Elle]] at the end of ''[[The Eclipse, Part 2]]''. || None. || {{plus}} Elle was acting extremely out of character in the last scene. She flinched. She slept with the man earlier in that day, flipped out when she thought he died, but then she flinches when he touches her? And, last time he tried to kill her, she exploded. This time, not even a zap? Something doesn't add up here.<br /> |
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:::{{note}} Although it has never been officially said, it seems like Peter was trying to do the same thing to Future Nathan when he had just recently acquired intuitive comprehension. He had no reason to cut open Nathan's head, since he already has Nathan's ability, but he talked about how he wanted to know what Nathan was thinking. It also seems like he is about to do this to his mother back at Primatech before he is stopped by Sylar. <br /> |
:::{{note}} Although it has never been officially said, it seems like Peter was trying to do the same thing to Future Nathan when he had just recently acquired intuitive comprehension. He had no reason to cut open Nathan's head, since he already has Nathan's ability, but he talked about how he wanted to know what Nathan was thinking. It also seems like he is about to do this to his mother back at Primatech before he is stopped by Sylar. <br /> |
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{{plus}} There was a scene on a NBC promotional video of a scene with Sylar and Elle, with Sylar saying he's a psychopathic killer and Elle telling him it takes one to know one, and I believe I've heard there are no more flashback episodes.<br /> |
{{plus}} There was a scene on a NBC promotional video of a scene with Sylar and Elle, with Sylar saying he's a psychopathic killer and Elle telling him it takes one to know one, and I believe I've heard there are no more flashback episodes.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} That was likely unused footage, like the "unaired scenes" on the DVD - possibly a different version of the scene when Elle overloads the grid in Level 5. |
:{{minus}} That was likely unused footage, like the "unaired scenes" on the DVD - possibly a different version of the scene when Elle overloads the grid in Level 5. That exchange is unlikely to occur now, given what the characters have been through together.<br /> |
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The following fan theories are about Elle Bishop.
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Theories
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| Elle and Claire are being set up for a lesbian relationship. | The entire episode "Eris Quod Sum". | + I know that NBC ended up retconning Zach to be straight, but I don't think they have those same issues with Kristen Bell and Hayden Panettiere.
+ The double-entendres in the dialog are just too unsubtle to ignore. Even if it doesn't foreshadow anything, I'm pretty sure Tim was having some fun with the idea of it.
- They have more important things to do.
- They are more like sisters (even with the resemblance)
- They don't talk in a flirtatious way, just a normal way, like friends do.
+ It would make the fan-fiction community very happy.
+ Kristen Bell has stated that Elle and Claire share a deep relationship
+ April may have been a love interest for Claire.
+ According to the original casting information, April was meant to be a lesbian. [1]
+ Lust could come before love.
- Neither Claire nor Elle are lesbian.
- This storyline would add nothing to the show. It reminds one of what David Mamet calls the "Death of my Kitten" speech.
- Elle shot Claire, hardly a romantic overture.
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| Elle is the daughter of Meredith. | None. | + Meredith, Elle, and Claire resemble each other. - It is noted here that Elle was originally meant to be Meredith's daughter. However, the writers dropped it due to plot holes.
+ Elle is 24 (she told Peter in Four Months Ago) so he's older than Claire by five or so years. She may have been off visiting relatives or was with Bob (who may or may not be her real father) or Meridith may have gotten her out. There's no indication whether or not Claire had powers back then, Noah and Claude probably just got her out in time that's all.
• Her power is similar to pyrokinesis, but so far evolved human families rarely share powers.
- Elle stated that she is 24. Meredith is known to be 35. For Elle to be Meredith's daughter she would have been conceived when Meredith was 11, which is highly unlikely and probably too unsavory for a TV show. |
| Elle is Matt Parkman's sister. | None. | + Matt's father has powers and abandoned him. + Matt's father is/was in the company. |
| Elle is related to Niki somehow. | None. | + Just like Claire and Meredith, they all share some resemblance.
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| Elle is the sister of another evolved human with the same ability. | None. | + Many characters with electromagnetic powers are twins, sisters, or something else, representing a positive or a negative energy charge.
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| Elle is the sister of the future agent with a similar ability. | None. | + He would fit as the polar opposite for Elle personality. + Both work for an organization that deals with evolved humans. |
| Elle is the sister of the teenage patient with a similar ability. | None. | + The patient had the power to absorb electricity, while Elle seems to create it. Making their powers fit if they are twins/siblings. |
| Elle started the fire that Meredith and Claire supposedly died in. | None. | + In Four Months Ago..., Elle told Peter that she started a fire at her grandmother's house when she was 6. Elle also said that she was 24, making the incident 18 years ago. This comes within a year of Claire's birth timeline, possible overlapping it if facts are slightly inaccurate. Meredith would have been a reasonably young mother (around 20), and as stated in the graphic novel Hell's Angel she was living in an apartment complex, where many members of the same family can live. If this was Elle's grandmother's residence, Claire and Elle would at least be cousins, if not sisters.
+ Kristen Bell has stated that Elle and Claire share a deep relationship.
- Elle says that she set her grandmother's house on fire (Four Months Ago...). Meredith was Claire's mother, but Elle is older than Claire is. |
| Elle has the ability to emit electromagnetic pulses. | None. | + Noah Bennet was able to describe to Ted Sprague the way to emit an EMP from the perspective of an evolved human.
- Elle has never exhibited this ability. |
| Elle Bishop is the mother of Sylar's son from the future. | None. | - No mention of the identity of Noah's mother was made. Also, Sylar killed Elle's father, so it is unlikely she'd forgive him enough to have sex with him, much less give birth to his son.
- It's likely that Sylar's son will play no further role in the show. As that possible future will be prevented in some way.
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| Elle will become Claire's main enemy. | None. | + They already have a strong dislike for each other. + Other heroes have nemeses such as Hiro vs Daphne, Peter vs Sylar. |
| Elle is currently pregnant. | None. | + Being pregnant may be what is causing her to lose control over her powers.
- As far as we know, Elle hasn't had sexual relations with anyone within the past three months. Though she may have had sexual contact with Peter, it's highly unlikely that he would actually have sex with her, given that he was just using her to escape.
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| Elle's loss of control over her own powers could be related to Peter's loss of his powers. | None. | + Elle's infatuation with Peter and his ability to use her powers (which appears to be his favorite for fighting) could have caused her to inadvertently sync her electrical abilities with his making him the plus to her minus. When he lost his powers, hers went haywire.
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| Elle's loss of control over her own powers could be related to Sylar's attack on her. | None. | + Elle's didn't start to lose her powers until after the fight. Maybe Sylar trying to remove her skull caused her ability to somehow leak out of her. + Claire's powers also began to malfunction immediately after Sylar attacked her.
+ Elle has been through many emotional experiences, this could cause her to loose control of her ability. |
| Elle's power is synthetic and her sudden loss of control is due to the fact that she was injected with an imperfect version of the formula. | None. | + Elle said they did testing on her, also HRG said when she was brought in she was a just a normal girl.
- Elle's ability manifested during her childhood, all characters confirmed to have synthetic abilities manifested only in adulthood.
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| Elle's loss of control of her power is related to the electrical blast that came from her body when Sylar tried to take her power. | None. | + As far as we know, Elle has not performed a blast that big since she developed her ability. • Elle stated she caused a blackout in four counties in Ohio when she was eight. (Four Months Ago) |
| Arthur Petrelli will revive Elle with his regenerative blood. | None. | + Elle is the most apparent candidate for Noah Gray's mother in the exposed future. It would be remiss to leave that storyline unresolved.
+ Arthur encouraged the pairing of Elle and Sylar. Perhaps he still wants them to work together, and thinks they would be even more effective, with Sylar relenting to the hunger again and Elle having a vendetta on Sylar for killing her.
+ In Cautionary Tales Noah is shot in the face and presumably revived by Claire's blood, so it can be assumed that Arthur Petrelli's regenerative blood he acquired from Adam Monroe will have similar utility. |
| We did not see the real Elle at the end of The Eclipse, Part 2. | None. | + Elle was acting extremely out of character in the last scene. She flinched. She slept with the man earlier in that day, flipped out when she thought he died, but then she flinches when he touches her? And, last time he tried to kill her, she exploded. This time, not even a zap? Something doesn't add up here. + How did Elle get to the beach? We didn't see Hiro transport her there. As far as we know, he has to go with someone when he transports them. Plus, he still thinks he's ten.
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| Sylar didn't really kill Elle. | None. | + We didn't see him complete the act. He had no reason to want to get into her head anyway. He already had her power.
+ There was a scene on a NBC promotional video of a scene with Sylar and Elle, with Sylar saying he's a psychopathic killer and Elle telling him it takes one to know one, and I believe I've heard there are no more flashback episodes.
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