This wiki is a XML full dump clone of "Heroes Wiki", the main wiki about the Heroes saga that has been shut down permanently since June 1, 2020. The purpose of this wiki is to keep online an exhaustive and accurate database about the franchise.

Episode talk:The Wall

From Heroes Wiki
Revision as of 05:50, 2 February 2010 by imported>Ryangibsonstewart (→Wrap up or expand?)
Jump to navigation Jump to search

← checklist for The Art of Deception

Checklist for The Wall

checklist for Brave New World →

New episode checklist

see also current graphic novel and current graphic novel checklist jump to table of contents

Episode Updates

Episode article:
___ Episode screencap
___ Monologue
___ Summary
___ Story Development
___ Synopsis
___ Quotes

Update/add other articles:
___ Episode redirect: The Wall
___ Check that links from previous episode work
___ Update Currentep
___ Update Portal:Episodes
_X_ Update Template:Season4
___ Update Template:Ep
___ Update Season Four
___ New interviews and videos
___ Add Heroes Interactive:The Wall
___ Episode commentaries
___ Add Category:Images from The Wall
___ Update Template:Interviews with latest CBR
___ Update Interviews with CBR and Beeman's Blog
___ Update template:imagenav
___ Update template:image-screenshot
___ Update ratings
___ Add Hulu link to see also and to main page blurb

Update Main Page:
___ template:aotw and archive
___ Next on Heroes
_X_ Template:Index

___ Update songs
_X_ Archive Spoiler:The Wall (change "aired=")

Character Updates

Update Main Character pages
___ Claire Bennet
___ Noah Bennet
N/A Ando Masahashi
N/A Hiro Nakamura
___ Matt Parkman, Sr.
___ Angela Petrelli
___ Nathan Petrelli
___ Peter Petrelli
N/A Tracy Strauss
___ Samuel Sullivan
N/A Mohinder Suresh
___ Sylar

Update character-related pages
___ Groups
___ Appearances
___ Connections

Character/Reference/Powers Updates

Update other character pages as needed
___ Update minor characters as appropriate
___ (list characters who appear here)

Add new character pages as needed:
___ (list needed characters here)

Add new actor pages as needed:
___ (list needed actors here)

"Despoil" new characters and actors who already have articles:
Be sure to add appropriate non-spoiler categories!
___ (list characters and actors that need to be "despoiled")
___ despoil spoiler images, update source, etc.

Add references to appropriate recurring themes:
___ (list themes referenced here)

Add examples of Powers used:
Note: if an "examples" page exists, that's where examples should be added.
___ (list powers displayed here)

Miscellaneous Updates

Events/Items/Things/etc.
___ (list other articles to update here)
___ (list new articles here)
___ Update Portals as needed

World Locations
___ (list locations to update here)
___ (list new locations here)
___ Update Portal:World Locations

Places
___ (list places to update here)
___ (list new places here)
___ Update Portal:Places

Timeline
___ Update timeline

Update templates as needed
___ Template: Characternav
___ Template: Actornav
___ Template: Crewnav

New Images

Get screencaps:
___ Episode title (650x365)
___ Episode lead image (300x169)

New characters (200x250):
___ (list new characters)

New groups (450x350)
___ (list new groups)

New Events/Items/Things/etc. (450x350)
___ (list new articles)

New locations (450x350)
___ (list new articles)

New places (450x350)
___ (list new articles)

All powers used (450x350)
___ (list used powers)

WHOA.

So, mid-episode thought, but does anyone get the feeling that the telekinetic guy who attacked Noah in 1985 might be someone we've seen before? Sure looks like him, and it would damn well explain a lot. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:17, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Apparently his name is "Richard". Neeevermind. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:29, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Did... did they...

Did they just retcon 'Company Man'?--Gibbeynator 21:42, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Actually I don't think so: they show Bennet's being approached by The Company and then afterwards. They never reshow that part from Company Man and to me it still fits in.--WarGrowlmon18 21:44, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • According to the page here, the earliest point in Company Man was 15 years before the then present story, while a good chunk of this story takes place over 20 years before.--Gibbeynator 21:54, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • Yes, but what they showed in Company Man was AFTER Bennet had been fully trained as an agent. You figure Thompson first approached him 23 years ago, approximately. And the initial flashback from Company Man was... what, eighteen years ago? That would allow some time for training and full induction into the Company. --Clairesxtwin48 23:02, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Now Now

  • I really loved this episode, and now that the Carnival is going to New York, does anyone else see the little futures we have seen are going to become one be future for example Sylar being Good, and a Earth being blow-wen up, and Specials being hunt etc if they pull this oh my god--Skyeatsout 22:06, 1 February 2010 (EST)

eli, you cocky fool

Yes, good luck trying to stop peter and sylar. The 2 most powerful specials. R.I.P. Eli. We hardly knew ye.Gamerelite1 22:08, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • I was just thinking that. Sylar is, well, god, and Peter can do whatever Sylar can. Eli's toast.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:09, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Did Eli ever meet Sylar? If he did, all he knew was that he could use some low-level telekinesis and electricity - he barely utilized his powers at all while he was in the carnival.--NovaX81 22:13, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • Yeah I don't think eli has ever met them. Ergo, he has no idea the horrible, horrible rape about to befall him.Gamerelite1 22:14, 1 February 2010 (EST)
        • I think they're trying to set up Sylar as someone who's not going to kill anymore.--Gibbeynator 22:17, 1 February 2010 (EST)
          • That doesn't mean he won't defend his life though.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:20, 1 February 2010 (EST)
            • Eli's an idiot. Maybe Sylar and Peter can finally put a stop to him. I don't like that guy. All Peter has to do is replicate one of Sylar's major powers (he no longer needs telepathy now that he's freed Sylar) and the two will kick some serious ass. Peter and Sylar working together........... oh can't wait to see that fight and Eli obviously loses given Sylar shows up to save Emma. Maybe Peter will be able to replicate all of Sylar's abilities now that he has more time to try to do that and will regain at least some of his former power. Maybe Peter will finally get to kill someone on purpose and finally put an end to Eli himself. I had so wanted him to be the one to kill Arthur Petrelli.--WarGrowlmon18 22:23, 1 February 2010 (EST)
              • Maybe peter will try using telepathy to make the clones fall asleep n then it'll be revealed the clones dont have minds and sylar will have to do all the work.daevon 22:26, 1 February 2010 (EST)
                • Speaking of Eli, I love how he said that he and Lauren played some cat and mouse, and the mouse got away. Nice tie in to tonight's iStory. And yes, Eli is a big, hulking, slab of idiot. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:54, 1 February 2010 (EST)
                  • Hmm. Todays latest Istory you say? Perhaps I will check that out, but if only I knew who wrote it.Gamerelite1 23:38, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • I personally think that Matt is going to be the one to take Eli out. Heroes has classically given us a season finale in which every character contributes to the final turnout, and although you could say that Matt's done his piece by whammying Sylar, thus allowing him to find his redemption, I still think he's going to end up whammying Eli to allow Peter and Sylar to escape. --Clairesxtwin48 23:43, 1 February 2010 (EST)
        • For reals Sylar can just snap his fingers and make the problem go away. --Action Figure 23:47, 1 February 2010 (EST)
          • But just because he can doesn't mean he will. I'm pretty sure it's gonna end up being Matt. It's either that, or he goes with them to New York, and I just don't see Matt running out on his wife and son again just now. --Clairesxtwin48 23:56, 1 February 2010 (EST)

One of the best episodes ever?

I was so amazed by tonight's episode I was able to look over the tired metaphor of a wall as a personal barrier. Personally, I love any episode where Peter and Sylar are buddies, but this episode had some superb acting and Noah and Claire fate is quite ominous. What does everyone else think?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:08, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Loved it myself, personally I cant help but wonder 'how long will Eli's clones last against both Peter and Sylar'.My guess, not long. -- Tbora 22:19, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • It was alright, like a 3.9 out of 5. Kind of slow in the beginning, but picked up right at the end. daevon 22:23, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • I thought it was a great episode. I didn't see anything slow about it. I mean, we started off learning that Noah has a wife and a whole life before Sandra and the kids. Holy cow! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:55, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The Wall (the one in the episode) and what it represented

I think the wall was created by Peter's own fears of letting Sylar go, at least his subconcious fear and most likely anger. It manifested as a wall that blocked them from escaping and it obviously wasn't put there by Matt given what happened. Notice how once Peter accepted Sylar's changed and maybe forgave him at least a bit, the wall was easily broken. I think that was him letting go of that subconious fear and anger that was blocking him.--WarGrowlmon18 22:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Yep. I believe you said it fairly accurately.--Halfxwitted 22:32, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Well when you consider that even when Sylar fully went at berserk at the wall it did not come down, and that when Peter did forgive him it started to crack it becan.Which actually makes sense when you think about it.I mean Peter did have Matt's ability so his emotions would effect the mindscape greater then even Sylar's own.Same thing basically occurs between Matt inside of the Speedsters Mind when she is dying. -- Tbora 22:32, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The Wrong Focus?

Does anyone else feel that entirely too much time is devoted towards HRG/Claire. Did we actually learn anything relevant in this episode about HRG that warranted taking away time from the plot from moving forward? Pointless filler if you ask me. Also while you're asking me, I feel essential information about the 'years' Peter/Sylar were trapped should have been shown.--Halfxwitted 22:29, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • I think we're supposed to leave that to imagination (and fanfiction for all those writters out there).--WarGrowlmon18 22:33, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • I agree with you one hundred percent, even if for a filler, the Noah flashbacks were actually pretty cool and developed him further as a character. -- Tbora 22:35, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • I didn't see anything as filler. I learned about Noah's motives, why he originally joined the Company, his first obsession, his relationship with Claude, and how all that has affected his mind to make him who he is today. It brought it all back home when we learned that he threatened Gretchen. You can take the man out of the Company, but you can't take the Company out of the man. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:58, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • I think they could have told the same story in less space and given us more of the shift in the balance between Peter and Sylar, but I didn't feel that the revelations about HRG were by any means 'filler.' I have a feeling that it's all going to come to bear weight, either in the season finale or in the potential Volume Six. I just think they could have done it with more brevity. --Clairesxtwin48 23:05, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Hey...

It was that one flashback only ability again! The guys with that ability sure have a hard time staying alive. At least this one didn't have a daughter he was defending.--Ratclaws 22:34, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Number 1 Rule of Seismic Burst: Seconds after activating your ability, you will be shot and killed. No exceptions. --Whizzles 22:47, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Number 2 rule of seismic burst you will always, always be in a black and white flashback.Gamerelite1 23:34, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • I feel those rules should be reversed. Rule One: Your ability can only be used in black and white flashbacks. Rule Two: If you use it, expect to die by gunshot within a few seconds.--Riddler 23:38, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Revelations about Noah

That explains his hatred of specials and his blood-thirsty methods at points although I wish we knew if he ever found Richard or not. Imagine having to go through all of that. He noticably changed, note at the cardealership the last time he wasn't so helpful with the couple and instead was pushing to sell the car he wanted sold.--WarGrowlmon18 22:36, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • He found, in his own words, his "killer instinct". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:59, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Peter's dream of Emma

I think I get it now: Samuel is going to use Doyle to force Emma to use her power to summon people to the Carnival where he and the other carnies will terrorize them with their powers and kill them. Emma won't be directly responsible for the deaths, she's just the lure. That preview also confirmed Doyle was controlling her too. I love those lines by Sylar and Doyle: "your one of us!!!!!!!!!!!", "no, I'm a hero." Never thought I'd hear Sylar say that and mean it.--WarGrowlmon18 22:39, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Let's be careful about discussing spoilers here... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • I know, but I just had to bring it up. Besides, I figured it was something like that before we saw the preview. That was my take when we learned Samuel's plans and the preview just confirmed it for me.--WarGrowlmon18 23:02, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The Carnival's teleportation ability

I know this isn't important, but I really wish they'd give us some kind of an explanation for that as it can clearly teleport.--WarGrowlmon18 22:41, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Au contraire, it is QUITE important. And I do wish they'd explain it. I personally think it has something to do with Samuel's terrakinesis. Either that, or someone in the Carnival has a trans-locational ability of some kind. Like Hiro's teleporting, only for a more general area instead of an individual...? --Clairesxtwin48 23:00, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Howie Kaplan

Didnt sylar say something about howie kaplan beating peter at something? daevon 22:42, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Wrap up or expand?

Do you think that this season is going to end nicely without any loose ends, all villains taken care of and plots foiled like every other season, or do you think that next episode is going to create something completely epic to be expanded upon in the next volume? Personally, I hope it will be the latter, I'm really enjoying this story arc and it has tons of potential.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:53, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Who knows. I'd really like to see a genuinly good Sylar for at least a season before the show ends permanantly. I'm so sick of him as an unstoppable villian. If he really has turned over a new leaf, he and Peter could make an incredible team. I always thought that if they didn't hate each other so much and Sylar wasn't so evil, the two could be good friends.--WarGrowlmon18 22:57, 1 February 2010 (EST)
  • I think they're going to be tying up a lot of plots, on the offchance (fingers crossed, people!) that the show is canceled, but I also think they're going to leave a few loose ends to carry over into the next season. Like what they did with season one, hinting that Sylar wasn't dead after all, etc. Give them a lead-in to whatever comes next. But I agree with WarGrowlmon18- it would be nice to see Sylar actually achieve this goal of redemption that he's been struggling with and MAKE IT STICK. --Clairesxtwin48 23:07, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Yeah and I really want to see Sylar and Peter as a team trying to save the world. That's got some great possiblities right there. Maybe next season (or at least Volume) could be about Sylar's search for personal redemption as a true hero aided by his former enemy and new friend Peter. If he ever wants his powers blocked, Peter could probably do it himself if he copies telepathy again from Matt, but if Sylar has truly changed, he may want to use them for good now. With Volume 3, I think he really did want redemption, but the Hunger and the realization that he was just being manipulated set him back on an evil path. If he's helped by someone who truly beleives in him, then I think he has a chance.--WarGrowlmon18 23:25, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Suresh

According to the NBC blurb about this episode, Sendhil was supposed to appear. What happened? --Action Figure 00:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Minor Thing

I am wondering if we should be referring to Sylar, as Sylar or Gabriel? As he has said he has changed.

  • still the same guy, just had a change of heart.Gamerelite1 00:15, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • Well he has always been the same person, even when he thought he was Nathan.What I meant, is that depending on how he felt he would either refuse to be called anything but Sylar when he was feeling evil.Or anything but Gabriel when he was good.So as of now, what is wanting to be called, and in turn, what should be be calling him? -- Tbora 00:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)

new actors and characters
          
          
          
          
          
          

-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Retrieved from "https://heroeswiki.ddns.net/index.php?title=Episode_talk:The_Wall&oldid=525678"