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Redirect

Shouldn't Kaito be a disambig instead of a redirect ? Here is a list of the kaito's page

  • Those guys could go on [[Kaito (disambig)]], but Kaito should still redirect to Kaito Nakamura.

    Usually, we avoid pointing the redirect to disambigs for character names when there's a clear "lead" article. [[Hiro]] goes to [[Hiro Nakamura]], for example, not to [[Hiro (disambig)]]. Instead, there's a See Also section on Hiro Nakamura that leads to the disambig page.

    That said, I don't think we need a Kaito (disambig). We don't have a Linderman (disambig). The disambiguation pages are more for things that are easily confused than merely for all articles that share a common word.

    The best way to think about it is this: if someone added a link to [[Kaito]], is there a good chance that they meant Kaito's assistant or Kaito's henchmen? Not really. Now, if someone added a link to [[guard]], they could reasonably mean any one of several different guards, so [[guard]] properly redirects to [[guard (disambig)]]. Basically, the disambig pages are mostly just a way to catch when people accidentally link to the wrong article, or search for an ambiguous term.--Hardvice (talk) 08:21, 2 February 2007 (EST)
    • I have a feeling we're going to learn a lot more about Kaito and his organization in the coming weeks. All his operations might merit a page of their own eventually, much the way that AWI and the Linderman Group have their own pages. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:01, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Sword Reflexes

Is Kaito's power accelerated movement/reflexes? He was way more nimble then he should have been with that sword. --Xmuskrat 17:04, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

  • We have absolutely no clue what power Kaito possesses. We have only his word that he has any power at all. --Ted C 17:27, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Hehe for one second I thought he has the power to speed up peoples learning. Hiro knows kung-fu after what seems to be nothing more than 3 or 4 hours training. That's... weird : ) -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:44, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I wouldn't be surprised — I would be delighted, even, if Heroes introduced a power-amplifier-type character in the vein of Ted Brautigan (from Stephen King's Dark Tower saga), who boosted the powers of other nearby breakers (people with psionic abilities). --Torley 02:45, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Kaito = Takezo Kensei ?!!

I know it's been a matter of specutlation, but on this page of the Yamagato Fellowship site there is a picture of Takezo Kensei that shows rollover text of "Kaito Nakamura"...

  • all of the pictures say that. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 15:43, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Actually, I was more bugged about what did Kaito mean with "I have waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend", since he only has 2 (known) children... I don't think that Takezo - Kaito theory is that much far fetched.--N4d4br0v1tchk4 08:20, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
    • George Takei implies that Kensei is an ancestor of Hiro.--Ice Vision 15:54, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Where exactly do you read that? Please quote.--N4d4br0v1tchk4 20:22, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Unless shown otherwise (and I certainly didn't see it in that Takei interview), I'm going with the theory that Kaito = Takezo. He could serve as a bridge in season 2, as part of the Generations theme. I wonder if Hiro did something significant in the past (e.g., 1670s) with his father, and his Dad remembered this and knew of what was to come? --Torley 02:48, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Takei strongly implied that Kensei was Hiro's ancestor.--Ice Vision 15:24, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
            • If he did, it wasn't in that article. He speculates that his character learnt business from his father and that Takezo may be a distant ancestor. --Pearse 16:48, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Ascension

When Kaito states that he's waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend, is he referring to the ascension of humans to evolved humans? This would mean he doesn't have a power himself... did he mean something else? Puff0rx 09:00, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

  • This is only a theory, but I suspect Kaito is much older than he appears and may be the original Kensai. I also suspect he's had many children and Hiro is the first one in a while to actually manifest any powers. We'll have to wait for season two to find out. :) (Admin 10:09, 26 May 2007 (EDT))
  • "Ascend" may also refer to rising to the challenges of his journey. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:28, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Maybe Kaito is immortal. --Xmuskrat 16:20, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Death

When did we decide that Kaito died in Four Months Later? I know it seems very, VERY likely, but we don't strictly have confirmation as of yet... We saw his body lying in a pool of blood, but in this show, that doesn't necessarily mean the end. I think the introduction paragraph should be changed back from referring to Kaito in the past tense, to reflect that he may not be dead. Bohrok Awakener 14:34, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Absolutely correct. Which articles lists him as dead?--Hardvice (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
  • I Agree as well...--DarkPhoenix 14:38, 28 September 2007 (EDT)


CBR Comment about Kaito's ?Death?

Write-in Question: "we always assumed Mr. Nakamura had powers, but he seemed awfully easy to kill. Were we mistaken?"
JP & AC Answer: "Mr. Nakamura had powers, but easy to kill? Maybe you didn't look at the crime scene hard enough."

What do you guys think about this comment concerning Kaito from CBR regarding the crime scene? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/4/2007 15:49 (EST)

Can anybody get a snapshot of the crime scene up on here? --Xmuskrat 21:01, 7 October 2007 (EDT)


-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:55, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Well first, they just openly said that Kaito had a power. The person asking the question said "we assumed" - they confirmed. Second... the two shots are different. In one, his head is turned a little. Something is telling me Kaito isn't gonna stay dead.--Riddler 23:13, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
    • By the way, the first is a promotional shot released by NBC. The second is a screenshot from Four Months Later. The third is from US Press (obviously). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Actually it looks like all three shots are slightly different. Also I was disappointed that the obituary was just random text copied and pasted.. some of it even repeated --Frantik (Talk) 05:10, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I agree, if you look at the news paper photo, the the two above it kinda looks like he's getting up! His hand is a little closer to his head in each photo, his head moves from a profile to looking striaght at the ground, and his feet move in and up a little!! ----Dirtypr 09:18, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Check it out!

Well the picture is in the news paper as a crime scene photo. So who took the photo? the cops. and don't you think they would have checked the body at the crime scene to ensure he was in fact dead?.--Retractd 17:04, 22 November 2007 (EST)

  • "Mr. Nakamura had powers, but easy to kill? Maybe you didn't look at the crime scene hard enough." - They're saying to look at the crime scene closer, and i have, but nothing really stands out to say anything. The only thing is the puddle of blood on the ground, I think that the blood may be in fact Adam's rather than Kaito's, which would show he was not easy to kill and put up enough of a fight to make Adam bleed. But as to whether or not Kaito is actually dead, i don't know.--Yix1337 22:47, 24 December 2007 (EST)

Eyes in sword really Kaito's?

I know this is a little late and I haven't seen any discussion about this so I'm going to throw this out there. From Landslide there was a brief shot of the reflection of Kaito's eyes in the sword.

I'm sure I can't be the first one to say this, but I contend that these aren't Kaito's eyes at all. If you look at a closeup shot of Kaito like this one, I think they look totally different. I would say they look older? Maybe not older. Just different. The eye on the right (I guess his left eye) is totally different; the bottom of the eye in the top photograph makes this pronounced upward slope on the right side that is totally different from the bottom eye in the bottom photograph. Maybe I'm alone on this one. I dunno, but when I first saw this I had to watch it a few times because I was confused whose eyes these were supposed to be. I thought maybe there was another person in the room or something.

Anyways if this is true perhaps it might answer some questions (or raise some new ones) concerning Kaito's powers. Maybe he is much older than he looks. Or maybe he can manipulate appearances.Dadadave 11:57, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I thought the same myself when I first saw it, but no one else seemed to pick up on it. The eyebrows are completely different.--Bob (Talk) 12:50, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Known Power = Space-time Manipulation?

  • Um... why does it say that on his page? O_o --AnotherNella 13:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • I rolled back the changes. Looks like someone mistook Kaito for Hiro. (Admin 13:05, 6 November 2007 (EST))

Thought about power

I was thinking his power may be some kind of impact absorbtion. if you watch when Angela slaps him in Four Months Later, you can see he doesnt even flinch. This could also explain the theories of him getting up in the pictures after a 40 story fall.

  • Perhaps. But keep in mind two things--this is a tough man who can probably withstand a slap, especially from a woman with whom he has had previous relations. Also, rarely is a power so subtly revealed--I believe that when we see it, we'll know it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2007 (EST)
  • Kaito got up in the picture? What do you mean? --Ice Vision (talk)

Kaito's Power

In the Season 2 DVD box set's deleted scenes, Kaito reveals that he has the ability to see the variables of all outcomes, stating that that is how he has done so well in the stock market. Ynni 08:06, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

  • Interesting :) Too bad the deleted scenes aren't canon, though. Pierre 08:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
    • I think Santiago also has this ability, called "accelerated probability". Should it be added to the unconfirmed section of the list of abilities?--Referos 19:49, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
      • At the moment, the list of unconfirmed abilities includes abilities who have been confirmed to exist by canon or near-canon sources, but the nature of them are unconfirmed. In other words - the answer to Referos' question has to be no - at least given the article's current outline. Pierre 20:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
      • I will be very surprised, though, if Kaitio's power (assuming he has one, and , if so, if it turns out to be "accelerated probability" or something else) will remain a mystery at the end of Season 3, or even by this Christmas. Pierre 20:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
      • This is also the ability that has been rumored and theorized that Arthur Petrelli has or had which ever you prefer.--Iceman 08:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
        • I think it's rumoured that Arthur could manipulate probabilities, while Kaito seems to be able to analyse them. Yeah, I think they would make a great pair, specially with Angela having an affair with Kaito.--Referos 15:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
          • Ouch :) some great stories to be told from such a triangle. Especially if the rumor that Angela's power is to see the future in one way or another turn out to be true.... Pierre 19:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
            • That's cool. why aren't deleted scenes canon? they're the same as episodes except removed because of conflicts. Referos, where did u hear that about Arthur? Shoyru1177 20:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
              • Theory:Arthur Petrelli. It's all speculation, though. Also, the writers themselves said deleted scenes shouldn't be considered canon.--Referos 21:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
                • The crucial reason why deleted scenes isn't canon is as Referos say - in addition, there are several reasons why scenes are deleted: e.g. time issues, ore creative change of hearts. I.e. in this case we don't know if the reference to Kaito's power was deleted in order to not exceed the time boundaries, or because the writers agreed last minute that this particular ability doesn't work with the story they are going to tell. Pierre 21:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
      • I can't remember exactly where I heard it from but before the theory about Arthur came up on the theories page I read somewhere that a writer during the early shows released a bunch of secrets about the show and that Arthurs power had to do with probabilities was one of them.--Iceman 08:21, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
        • I remember sources saying that Kaito's power had something to do with "a very bright light". Does anybody else remember this? Ienzo_Rellim 9:15, August 10, 2008 (EDT)
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